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2:27p, 2/28/25
Zelensky was supposed to make four other appearances in DC. That's all been canceled. He's done. Might as well hop on that jet and go figure out how to hold off Putin throwing rocks.

Anyone that thinks the EU is going to step up and pick up the slack for Zelensky is clueless. The EU is not about to pony up anymore money or weapons, most of which they don't have.

Zelensky just sawed off the limb he was perched on. If he comes back hat in hand his 50/50 deal just became 60/40 not in his favor.
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In reply to rootube • 2:28p, 2/28/25
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Ellis Wyatt said:
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He's a hero because when the entire western world was making plans to give Ukraine to Russia and was negotiating his exile. He held his country together
I hope he's searching real estate brochures for where he's going to spend his exile now.



Maybe. The last time the experts planned his exile he proceeded to whip Russia's a**. My guess is we have galvanized all of Ukraine and Europe against the United States and Russia and they are probably going to finish the job which is fine but we have given up soft power in Europe. Something we have dominated since the end of WWII.
So we can save even more money by withdrawing from the UN and removing our bases?

Where do I sign up?
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In reply to Tailgate88 • 2:30p, 2/28/25
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IndividualFreedom said:
I do not like the cameras being on. That was advantage to Zelensky. DJT and Vance had to kick the Ukraines out. It all bout respeck.

My favorite part was that they got kicked out before lunch was served. Like HR after they fire IT on a Friday have an immediate security escort, do not stop by the desk for the things.
Heard on Clay & Buck the executive staff of the White House press office was getting to eat it instead. Sounds like their lunch plans got an unexpected upgrade!
Visualizing the Ukranian delegation pulling up to an Arby's on the way to catch their flight home is quite amusing
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In reply to Burdizzo • 2:30p, 2/28/25
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EU can't. We provide the military spending for them too. Which I think is also Trumps point. The US is paying for everyone's defense and enough is enough.

If the fight is worth having then every single Ukraine sympathizer should either go fight or send Zelensky a check. If those people aren't willing to do that then they should keep their mouths shut.
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In reply to TheEternalOptimist • 2:31p, 2/28/25
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TheEternalOptimist said:
4stringAg said:
Zelensky knows the American media hates Trump/Vance and adores him. He gambled that he could "take things public" and he lost bigly because he also should have known Trump or Vance don't give a **** what the media writes about them or this.
Trump is no longer playing 4-D chess.

This is 5-D.

Lindsey Graham just said he doesn't know if he can continue to support Ukraine given what has occurred. Never thought I would see the day.
Trump played Zelenskyy like a fiddle. He knew that pressuring Z to push back at Trump/Vance on camera would be a bad look for Ukraine and create further doubt in the eyes of the American public...and with the fickle politicians that raced to Ukraine aid when it was first perceived as the popular thing to do.
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In reply to TheEternalOptimist • 2:32p, 2/28/25
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TheEternalOptimist said:
4stringAg said:
Zelensky knows the American media hates Trump/Vance and adores him. He gambled that he could "take things public" and he lost bigly because he also should have known Trump or Vance don't give a **** what the media writes about them or this.
Trump is no longer playing 4-D chess.

This is 5-D.

Lindsey Graham just said he doesn't know if he can continue to support Ukraine given what has occurred. Never thought I would see the day.
That's cause Graham is a political ho. He knows Trump is shutting down the grifter train so there is no reason not for him to pivot, nothing left to gain. In fact, Z's little tantrum is probably providing a lot of neocons the opportunity jump ship and kiss Trump's ring. Quite convenient.
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In reply to safety guy • 2:33p, 2/28/25
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safety guy said:
4stringAg said:
Zelensky knows the American media hates Trump/Vance and adores him. He gambled that he could "take things public" and he lost bigly because he also should have known Trump or Vance don't give a **** what the media writes about them or this.


Whoever gave Zelensky advice to do what he did totally backfired. It was odd that it was in front of the cameras so it had to be a power play on the part of Zelensky thinking that we would back down due to public criticism. Well guess what?? We didn't and made things worse for him.
Instead, Trump turned it into a power play for himself. He's not going to be out-argued. Trump is relentless. Those who hate him were going to hate him no matter what he did. But he didn't just pop off to Z. It was intentional, he was using the cameras and court of public opinion to send the message that Ukraine doesn't get to dictate the terms of the deal.
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Breaking News

TUNE IN: Bret Baier interviews Zelenskyy after heated WH meeting on 'Special Report' at 6PM ET
Should be must-see TV!
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Zelensky showed exactly who he is. He is no diplomat. He is a little guy held up as a hero which just feeds his Napoleonic complex. He couldn't stand no being a showman and trying to be "macho" and feeding his ego.
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In reply to Gigem314 • 2:37p, 2/28/25
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Gigem314 said:
TheEternalOptimist said:
4stringAg said:
Zelensky knows the American media hates Trump/Vance and adores him. He gambled that he could "take things public" and he lost bigly because he also should have known Trump or Vance don't give a **** what the media writes about them or this.
Trump is no longer playing 4-D chess.

This is 5-D.

Lindsey Graham just said he doesn't know if he can continue to support Ukraine given what has occurred. Never thought I would see the day.
Trump played Zelenskyy like a fiddle. He knew that pressuring Z to push back at Trump/Vance on camera would be a bad look for Ukraine and create further doubt in the eyes of the American public...and with the fickle politicians that raced to Ukraine aid when it was first perceived as the popular thing to do.


I disagree. The US was offering Ukraine basically nothing. If you are Zelenskyy, why kiss the ring if there is nothing in it for you? His approval rating at home and in Europe probably went through the roof. Time will tell if that's enough to finish off Russia.
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2:37p, 2/28/25
vodka boy needs to understand that majority of Americans could give a F*** about Ukraine. Make peace with Russia or figure out to to beat Russia. No more free rides, no more money, no more weapons. Take your balls and go home.
Taxes are just a yearly subscription to the country you live in.
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In reply to Teslag • 2:37p, 2/28/25
Teslag said:
J. Walter Weatherman said:
Ags4DaWin said:
J. Walter Weatherman said:
Farmer_J said:
Teslag said:
J. Walter Weatherman said:
captkirk said:
J. Walter Weatherman said:
captkirk said:
Bones08 said:
I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?
Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.

And Putin is?
Do you have evidence Putin is unwilling to negotiate peace?


If Putin wanted peace he could end the war today. As a reminder, he's the invader.


Most posters know he's the invader and support him in doing so.


You forgot the part where the CIA overthrew Ukraine and installed an anti-Russian government.

Come on, now we just talked about this.


And then Ukrainians elected Zelenskyy in a landslide. So apparently they were good with that direction.


When eastern Ukrainians were not allowed to vote.

When only the half of the country that supports you is allowed to vote you are pretty much guaranteed to win in a landslide.

Venezuela much?


The two regions being controlled by Russian separatists? Doesn't look like "half" to me.



That will leave a mark
Even less legitimate than our 2020 election.

But I digress.
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In reply to Farmer_J • 2:39p, 2/28/25
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Farmer_J said:
Teslag said:
Farmer_J said:

If the people love zelensky, he won't mind having an election right?


Yes as soon as his constitution allows. Not doing so is what a dictator does.


It's funny watching you twist yourself in knots to defend that puppet
To be the "well akshually guy", the reason why Ukraine cannot have elections (per their Constitution) is because Zelensky declared nationwide martial law in 2022. Wartime does not Constitutionally prohibit them from having elections.
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In reply to JayM • 2:39p, 2/28/25
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Sid Farkas said:
JayM said:
Birdwatcher said:
Vance and Trump were so rude and disrespectful to Zelenskyy, who was the only good, decent and honorable person among them. My respect for Zelensky increases for not sitting there and taking it. I hope Europe is able and willing to pick up the slack as America stabs Ukraine in the back. Trump and Vance are unhinged facists
I agree. I'm not sure Trump has any diplomatic talent in his administration. And for now Rubio will toe the line or "You're Fired!"


Zelenskyy took that photo op down to the gutter.

Enough carrot. It's time for the stick. Trump wont be nice about it either.
So Russia enters Ukraine and finishes the deal with tacit approval from Trump. And Europe realizes they have no ally in the US. That may satisfy your sugar cravings and good for you. We can do it on our own over here. We can declare we are of the same stature as Russia and China in moving the chess pieces along the global chess board.


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In reply to rootube • 2:39p, 2/28/25
rootube said:
Gigem314 said:
TheEternalOptimist said:
4stringAg said:
Zelensky knows the American media hates Trump/Vance and adores him. He gambled that he could "take things public" and he lost bigly because he also should have known Trump or Vance don't give a **** what the media writes about them or this.
Trump is no longer playing 4-D chess.

This is 5-D.

Lindsey Graham just said he doesn't know if he can continue to support Ukraine given what has occurred. Never thought I would see the day.
Trump played Zelenskyy like a fiddle. He knew that pressuring Z to push back at Trump/Vance on camera would be a bad look for Ukraine and create further doubt in the eyes of the American public...and with the fickle politicians that raced to Ukraine aid when it was first perceived as the popular thing to do.


I disagree. The US was offering Ukraine basically nothing. If you are Zelenskyy, why kiss the ring if there is nothing in it for you? His approval rating at home and in Europe probably went through the roof. Time will tell if that's enough to finish off Russia.
Then let Europe unilaterally withdraw from and end NATO...... and put General Zelensky as Supreme Leader of European forces.

Good luck......
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2:39p, 2/28/25
This is a disaster, and puts America closer to global war.
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In reply to Burpelson • 2:40p, 2/28/25
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Burpelson said:
This is a disaster, and puts America closer to global war.
Who we going to war with?
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In reply to The Reverse Apache Master • 2:40p, 2/28/25
The Reverse Apache Master said:
Farmer_J said:
Teslag said:
Farmer_J said:

If the people love zelensky, he won't mind having an election right?


Yes as soon as his constitution allows. Not doing so is what a dictator does.


It's funny watching you twist yourself in knots to defend that puppet
To be the "well akshually guy", the reason why Ukraine cannot have elections (per their Constitution) is because Zelensky declared nationwide martial law in 2022. Wartime does not Constitutionally prohibit them from having elections.
Yep. England had elections in 1944.
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In reply to buzzardb267 • 2:41p, 2/28/25
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buzzardb267 said:
Zelensky showed exactly who he is. He is no diplomat. He is a little guy held up as a hero which just feeds his Napoleonic complex. He couldn't stand no being a showman and trying to be "macho" and feeding his ego.


Zelenskyy has managed to keep his country in the fight with the second largest military in the world for three years. He's probably going to go down as the second greatest diplomat in history behind Winston Churchill. Trump on the other hand boasted he could end this war in 24 hours.
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In reply to Burpelson • 2:41p, 2/28/25
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This is a disaster, and puts America closer to global war.
With who?

Canada? Germany?

Funny.
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In reply to Commander Gorn • 2:41p, 2/28/25
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Commander Gorn said:
I don't like Ukraine or Russia, Zelensky or Putin. Certainly neither is a hero to any American


This is the truth. You morons that think Zelensky is a hero are clueless to all of the junk pulled by Ukraine and Zelensky.
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Trump was the best choice in the election and is right about a lot of things. He is absolutely wrong about this and in 20 years, most people will realize it.
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In reply to Burpelson • 2:42p, 2/28/25
Burpelson said:
This is a disaster, and puts America closer to global war.


It's only a disaster for potato boy. Go back to Ukraine and tell the people America says enough is enough. The American bank is closed.
Taxes are just a yearly subscription to the country you live in.
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In reply to rootube • 2:43p, 2/28/25
rootube said:
buzzardb267 said:
Zelensky showed exactly who he is. He is no diplomat. He is a little guy held up as a hero which just feeds his Napoleonic complex. He couldn't stand no being a showman and trying to be "macho" and feeding his ego.


Zelenskyy has managed to keep his country in the fight with the second largest military in the world for three years. He's probably going to go down as the second greatest diplomat in history behind Winston Churchill. Trump on the other hand boasted he could end this war in 24 hours.


I genuinely can't tell you are serious.
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In reply to chickencoupe16 • 2:43p, 2/28/25
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Trump was the best choice in the election and is right about a lot of things. He is absolutely wrong about this and in 20 years, most people will realize it.
What specifically is going to happen that will be evident in 20 years?
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In reply to usmcbrooks • 2:44p, 2/28/25
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usmcbrooks said:
JayM said:
Sid Farkas said:
JayM said:
Birdwatcher said:
Vance and Trump were so rude and disrespectful to Zelenskyy, who was the only good, decent and honorable person among them. My respect for Zelensky increases for not sitting there and taking it. I hope Europe is able and willing to pick up the slack as America stabs Ukraine in the back. Trump and Vance are unhinged facists
I agree. I'm not sure Trump has any diplomatic talent in his administration. And for now Rubio will toe the line or "You're Fired!"


Zelenskyy took that photo op down to the gutter.

Enough carrot. It's time for the stick. Trump wont be nice about it either.
So Russia enters Ukraine and finishes the deal with tacit approval from Trump. And Europe realizes they have no ally in the US. That may satisfy your sugar cravings and good for you. We can do it on our own over here. We can declare we are of the same stature as Russia and China in moving the chess pieces along the global chess board.




lol
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In reply to Burpelson • 2:44p, 2/28/25
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The contrary. We are pulling out of global conflicts.
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Im Gipper said:
MTG's boy friend:





There goes my hero!
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In reply to mslags97 • 2:45p, 2/28/25
mslags97 said:
Commander Gorn said:
I don't like Ukraine or Russia, Zelensky or Putin. Certainly neither is a hero to any American


This is the truth. You morons that think Zelensky is a hero are clueless to all of the junk pulled by Ukraine and Zelensky.
Precisely. But to many here.... offering criticism of Ukraine's regime must mean you support Russia and Putin.

If you offer up the historical reality of how we got here..... they simply accuse you of parroting Putin..... even if you continue to affirm that Putin's oligarchy is not good either!

Hitler spoke about the benefits of dog ownership, interstate highways, and scientific achievement. If you like any of those 3 things..... you are just parroting HItler.

It's maddening logic.
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2:46p, 2/28/25
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This is a crap sandwich.

On one hand, Zelensky has acted and talked like he's Rambo every time he's on US soil, and it's about time he gets put in his place.

On the other hand, this is going to end up in Russia gaining soil, and Ukraine and Russia both with nukes. Lovely.

We should have spent $300Bn on covert missions to remove Putin and his ilk.
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In reply to rootube • 2:46p, 2/28/25
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I disagree. The US was offering Ukraine basically nothing. If you are Zelenskyy, why kiss the ring if there is nothing in it for you? His approval rating at home and in Europe probably went through the roof. Time will tell if that's enough to finish off Russia.
I would hardly call what we've given Ukraine for the past few years "nothing". Ukraine isn't entitled to anything from the U.S. at this point. If Z would rather scoff at the one nation willing to give him significant aid to score points at home, then good luck to him making it work with what he has...because today's display isn't going to sell more Americans on supporting them.
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Trump got put in a locker. Wild
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In reply to mallen • 2:48p, 2/28/25
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mallen said:
Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.
Late to the party but 117 people actually starred the single dumbest post in the history of TexAgs? Remarkable.
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