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In reply to Teslag • 10:02p, 2/28/25
Teslag said:
Putin wants far more than what they have now


Okay. So what. Then they can both be considered losers. Or both be considered winners. Its doesnt matter to me

Its pretty clear to me that, based on the response from today's meeting, if the war ended today with Russia maintaining what it has today, putin would be a winner despite whatever he thinks of the situation.


Its also clear Zelensky wants what he can not have- his land back. Thats gone and it won't come back without american or european boots on the ground
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In reply to BQ78 • 10:02p, 2/28/25
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He wouldn't have green lighted the invasion like Biden did with his lukewarm warnings to Putin.
And we can get a pretty good idea of how Putin perceived those warnings from Biden...


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mallen, you are showing your true marxist democrat colors. Where would z be without us? z is also a marxist.
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In reply to Rossticus • 10:08p, 2/28/25
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Rossticus said:
TxAgPreacher said:
Teslag said:
TxAgPreacher said:
Teslag said:
It's not our war to end.

Yes it is.

When you see a bully picking on a small kid with a lot of fight, but he stands no chance you break it up.

It's in our interest to say enough is enough.


Ya but you generally don't end it by telling the small kid to lay there until the bully is done beating the **** out of him. Then blame the kid for it.


Bad analogy.

It's more like the small kid just took a swing at you for trying breaking it up.


Understandable when you tell the little kid that the bully gets to keep the shoes and lunch money he stole from you but it's ok because he promises he won't do it again.

If you want to end this then there has to be something in place that gives Ukraine a reason not to feel like they're just selling out for a slow death instead of a fighting chance (slim as it might be).


Ukraine is not in a position to make terms. Only we are. Do you want WW3? Then they aren't getting the land back. That was our fault. Biden's really.

But at the end of the day you break up the fighting before more people die needlessly over a war that is already over. Without US boots on the ground its over.

Time to make for peace. Sometimes when you get jumped in the ally you break up the fight and live to fight another day even if the bully took your wallet and your watch. Just the reality of life. Time to move on.
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10:10p, 2/28/25
I am appalled at the Zelenskyy defenders on here. Almost 200 people starred the post calling him a hero.

Where have you been and do you actually know anything?

Anyone with eyes open knows Ukraine is a wreck. I have a friend from Ukraine who is able to move about. The eastern part is devastated. Complete war torn. I have no idea what the long term solution is for whatever is left there. The western part is beaches and first world condition. His daughter lives there. They are not even concerned about Russia bombing the western part. Three quarters of this is theater to gain US dollars and Zelenskyy is the Biden of Ukraine. He is grifting millions.

Trump called him out today. This is truth. This is reality. I wish it was different and better, but this is where we are.
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In reply to Who?mikejones! • 10:10p, 2/28/25
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Who?mikejones! said:
Teslag said:
Putin wants far more than what they have now


Okay. So what. Then they can both be considered losers. Or both be considered winners. Its doesnt matter to me

Its pretty clear to me that, based on the response from today's meeting, if the war ended today with Russia maintaining what it has today, putin would be a winner despite whatever he thinks of the situation.


Its also clear Zelensky wants what he can not have- his land back. Thats gone and it won't come back without american or european boots on the ground



That's not clear at all. He wants security guarantees so he won't be back here again in four years. Like the last two times he made deals with the US and Russia.
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In reply to TxAgPreacher • 10:11p, 2/28/25
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TxAgPreacher said:
Rossticus said:
TxAgPreacher said:
Teslag said:
TxAgPreacher said:
Teslag said:
It's not our war to end.

Yes it is.

When you see a bully picking on a small kid with a lot of fight, but he stands no chance you break it up.

It's in our interest to say enough is enough.


Ya but you generally don't end it by telling the small kid to lay there until the bully is done beating the **** out of him. Then blame the kid for it.


Bad analogy.

It's more like the small kid just took a swing at you for trying breaking it up.


Understandable when you tell the little kid that the bully gets to keep the shoes and lunch money he stole from you but it's ok because he promises he won't do it again.

If you want to end this then there has to be something in place that gives Ukraine a reason not to feel like they're just selling out for a slow death instead of a fighting chance (slim as it might be).


Ukraine is not in a position to make terms. Only we are do you want WW3? Then they arent getting the land back. That was our fault. Bidens really.

But at the end of the day you break up the fighting before more people die needlessly over a war that is already over. Without US boots on the ground its over.

Time to make for peace. Sometimes when you get jumped in the ally you break up the fight and live to fight another day even if the bully took your wallet and your watch. Just the reality of life. Time to move on.


What makes you think Russia wants lasting peace? And if they don't?
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In reply to Teslag • 10:13p, 2/28/25
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Teslag said:
TxAgPreacher said:
Rossticus said:
TxAgPreacher said:
Teslag said:
TxAgPreacher said:
Teslag said:
It's not our war to end.

Yes it is.

When you see a bully picking on a small kid with a lot of fight, but he stands no chance you break it up.

It's in our interest to say enough is enough.


Ya but you generally don't end it by telling the small kid to lay there until the bully is done beating the **** out of him. Then blame the kid for it.


Bad analogy.

It's more like the small kid just took a swing at you for trying breaking it up.


Understandable when you tell the little kid that the bully gets to keep the shoes and lunch money he stole from you but it's ok because he promises he won't do it again.

If you want to end this then there has to be something in place that gives Ukraine a reason not to feel like they're just selling out for a slow death instead of a fighting chance (slim as it might be).


Ukraine is not in a position to make terms. Only we are do you want WW3? Then they arent getting the land back. That was our fault. Bidens really.

But at the end of the day you break up the fighting before more people die needlessly over a war that is already over. Without US boots on the ground its over.

Time to make for peace. Sometimes when you get jumped in the ally you break up the fight and live to fight another day even if the bully took your wallet and your watch. Just the reality of life. Time to move on.


What makes you think Russia wants lasting peace? And if they don't?


Irrelevant. Now is time to end the bloodshed.

Everything else is secondary.

Yes we don't want to be caught with out pants down again. None off that is productive right now on stopping people from dying RIGHT NOW.
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In reply to Teslag • 10:14p, 2/28/25
Teslag said:
TxAgPreacher said:
Rossticus said:
TxAgPreacher said:
Teslag said:
TxAgPreacher said:
Teslag said:
It's not our war to end.

Yes it is.

When you see a bully picking on a small kid with a lot of fight, but he stands no chance you break it up.

It's in our interest to say enough is enough.


Ya but you generally don't end it by telling the small kid to lay there until the bully is done beating the **** out of him. Then blame the kid for it.


Bad analogy.

It's more like the small kid just took a swing at you for trying breaking it up.


Understandable when you tell the little kid that the bully gets to keep the shoes and lunch money he stole from you but it's ok because he promises he won't do it again.

If you want to end this then there has to be something in place that gives Ukraine a reason not to feel like they're just selling out for a slow death instead of a fighting chance (slim as it might be).


Ukraine is not in a position to make terms. Only we are do you want WW3? Then they arent getting the land back. That was our fault. Bidens really.

But at the end of the day you break up the fighting before more people die needlessly over a war that is already over. Without US boots on the ground its over.

Time to make for peace. Sometimes when you get jumped in the ally you break up the fight and live to fight another day even if the bully took your wallet and your watch. Just the reality of life. Time to move on.


What makes you think Russia wants lasting peace? And if they don't?
Then I guess EU better start cutting social programs
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In reply to rootube • 10:15p, 2/28/25
rootube said:
Who?mikejones! said:
Teslag said:
Putin wants far more than what they have now


Okay. So what. Then they can both be considered losers. Or both be considered winners. Its doesnt matter to me

Its pretty clear to me that, based on the response from today's meeting, if the war ended today with Russia maintaining what it has today, putin would be a winner despite whatever he thinks of the situation.


Its also clear Zelensky wants what he can not have- his land back. Thats gone and it won't come back without american or european boots on the ground



That's not clear at all. He wants security guarantees so he won't be back here again in four years. Like the last two times he made deals with the US and Russia.
Hes not getting any security deals, so he can move past that.
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In reply to Max Stonetrail • 10:15p, 2/28/25
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I am appalled at the Zelenskyy defenders on here. Almost 200 people starred the post calling him a hero.

Where have you been and do you actually know anything?

Anyone with eyes open knows Ukraine is a wreck. I have a friend from Ukraine who is able to move about. The eastern part is devastated. Complete war torn. I have no idea what the long term solution is for whatever is left there. The western part is beaches and first world condition. His daughter lives there. They are not even concerned about Russia bombing the western part. Three quarters of this is theater to gain US dollars and Zelenskyy is the Biden of Ukraine. He is grifting millions.

Trump called him out today. This is truth. This is reality. I wish it was different and better, but this is where we are.


So you are appalled that people disagree with you.
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In reply to Teslag • 10:16p, 2/28/25
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Teslag said:
TxAgPreacher said:
Rossticus said:
TxAgPreacher said:
Teslag said:
TxAgPreacher said:
Teslag said:
It's not our war to end.

Yes it is.

When you see a bully picking on a small kid with a lot of fight, but he stands no chance you break it up.

It's in our interest to say enough is enough.


Ya but you generally don't end it by telling the small kid to lay there until the bully is done beating the **** out of him. Then blame the kid for it.


Bad analogy.

It's more like the small kid just took a swing at you for trying breaking it up.


Understandable when you tell the little kid that the bully gets to keep the shoes and lunch money he stole from you but it's ok because he promises he won't do it again.

If you want to end this then there has to be something in place that gives Ukraine a reason not to feel like they're just selling out for a slow death instead of a fighting chance (slim as it might be).


Ukraine is not in a position to make terms. Only we are do you want WW3? Then they arent getting the land back. That was our fault. Bidens really.

But at the end of the day you break up the fighting before more people die needlessly over a war that is already over. Without US boots on the ground its over.

Time to make for peace. Sometimes when you get jumped in the ally you break up the fight and live to fight another day even if the bully took your wallet and your watch. Just the reality of life. Time to move on.


What makes you think Russia wants lasting peace? And if they don't?
if Putin broke a peace agreement brokered by the USA he would be starting WW3. We would be forced to defend the peace agreement.
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10:17p, 2/28/25
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Is the Uke army all volunteer like the U.S?
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In reply to rootube • 10:18p, 2/28/25
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Is the Uke army all volunteer like the U.S?


Not even close
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In reply to rootube • 10:21p, 2/28/25
rootube said:
Max Stonetrail said:
I am appalled at the Zelenskyy defenders on here. Almost 200 people starred the post calling him a hero.

Where have you been and do you actually know anything?

Anyone with eyes open knows Ukraine is a wreck. I have a friend from Ukraine who is able to move about. The eastern part is devastated. Complete war torn. I have no idea what the long term solution is for whatever is left there. The western part is beaches and first world condition. His daughter lives there. They are not even concerned about Russia bombing the western part. Three quarters of this is theater to gain US dollars and Zelenskyy is the Biden of Ukraine. He is grifting millions.

Trump called him out today. This is truth. This is reality. I wish it was different and better, but this is where we are.


So you are appalled that people disagree with you.
No, I am appalled that people are supporting Zelenskyy with no knowledge of the facts on the ground.
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10:23p, 2/28/25
Biden pardoned his s son and family going back to 2014

Gee….i wonder why?

Also, Trump was impeached because of a phone call to Ukraine while he was Prez.

Gee, I wonder why?
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In reply to TxAgPreacher • 10:27p, 2/28/25
TxAgPreacher said:
Rossticus said:
TxAgPreacher said:
Teslag said:
TxAgPreacher said:
Teslag said:
It's not our war to end.

Yes it is.

When you see a bully picking on a small kid with a lot of fight, but he stands no chance you break it up.

It's in our interest to say enough is enough.


Ya but you generally don't end it by telling the small kid to lay there until the bully is done beating the **** out of him. Then blame the kid for it.


Bad analogy.

It's more like the small kid just took a swing at you for trying breaking it up.


Understandable when you tell the little kid that the bully gets to keep the shoes and lunch money he stole from you but it's ok because he promises he won't do it again.

If you want to end this then there has to be something in place that gives Ukraine a reason not to feel like they're just selling out for a slow death instead of a fighting chance (slim as it might be).


Ukraine is not in a position to make terms. Only we are do you want WW3? Then they arent getting the land back. That was our fault. Bidens really.

But at the end of the day you break up the fighting before more people die needlessly over a war that is already over. Without US boots on the ground its over.

Time to make for peace. Sometimes when you get jumped in the ally you break up the fight and live to fight another day even if the bully took your wallet and your watch. Just the reality of life. Time to move on.


The belief that WW3 starts if Russia doesn't get what they want is misplaced, in my eyes. However, I agree that Ukraine isn't getting land back. However, one of Russia's current nonnegotiables is to be given all the land Putin claimed annexation over, which is far more than the land he controls.

I think that hard lines of expectation need to be drawn for both sides, not just Ukraine, if you want Ukraine to exhibit trust in US led negotiations. Thus far the tone has been that Russia will get what they insist on and Ukraine will get what we allow. Under that scenario it's understandable why Ukraine feels compelled to continue their fight.

I understand why Trump is handling things the way he is but I also understand why Ukraine feels that they have less to lose by holding out. Ultimately Trump will have to bring both sides to the table and make them both feel like peace is the most rewarding path. Making Putin feel rewarded and validated and Ukraine feel penalized and overlooked won't accomplish that, IMO.

Overall, I think we agree. It's just a matter of what the best way is to get both Russia and Ukraine to see that it's time to end it without either side feeling satisfied.

* EDITS for syntax, punctuation, spelling, etc * Posting from your phone while you cook spaghetti is suboptimal.
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10:38p, 2/28/25
The Trump-Vance-Zelensky meeting wasn't strength or strategyit was a reckless display that weakened America and handed Putin a win. A real conservative foreign policy is about deterrence, alliances, and maintaining global influence, not performative grandstanding. Today, Trump didn't project powerhe projected unreliability.

Calling Ukraine aid a "grift" ignores history. Reagan armed anti-Soviet fighters, Nixon backed Israel, and Eisenhower kept Europe secureall to prevent hostile powers from expanding. If Ukraine were a corrupt puppet, Putin wouldn't have needed to invade. The real "grift" is pretending that letting Russia seize land will somehow lead to peace. Every broken agreementBudapest, Minskproves otherwise. Appeasement has never stopped a dictator, and it won't stop Putin.

This wasn't realism; it was isolationism dressed up as toughness. Nixon didn't strengthen U.S. ties by humiliating allies. Reagan didn't defeat the Soviets by calling them "whiny." Serious leadership means shaping the world to our advantage, not insulting partners on TV. Trump and Vance didn't advance American interests todaythey embarrassed them.

And for all the outrage over aid, here's the reality: U.S. support for Ukraine has been one of the best strategic investments in modern history. A fraction of our defense budgetmost of it spent on American-made weaponshas devastated one of our biggest adversaries without a single U.S. soldier in harm's way. Russia's military has been gutted, their global influence diminished, and their economy crippled. For a cost that's less than what we spent in a single year in Afghanistan, we've neutralized a major threat. That's not charity. That's a bargain.
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tesleg - we need to see how much of our money is in z bank account. There needs to be an audit. z is a slim ball just like putin.
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In reply to TheEternalOptimist • 10:49p, 2/28/25
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AgLiving06 said:
Psycho Bunny said:
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Anyone who supports Ukraine and supports Zalenskky go stand with the dems. It was Zalenskky who campaigned with the dems. So any Ag who says we need to stand with Ukraine and Zelenskky, you are a Democrat.


So you're saying we should stand with Russia?


ITS NOT OUR FIGHT.
F RUSSIA F UKRAINE.
LET THEM FIGURE IT OUT. So sick of the Ukraine flag waving morons that feel it's our problem. ITS NOT.

I don't agree with this take.

If you're telling me for roughly $150 billion we could decimate the Russian army and not lose a single American soldier, I think most would take that deal.
Why should I want to decimate rank and file Russian soldiers who have done nothing wrong to me?

Are they not human beings too? Or are they all just 'Orcs' as I see the Uke crowd spew out on social media.

Try meeting and running around with a few Russians who have family there and in the military. You might learn something.


I guess if they invaded a neighboring country unprovoked and committed war crimes I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I'm sure many of the actual Nazis we killed in WWII were lovely people. So what's your point.
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How does that meeting go if the press aren't in the room? I have feeling alot of what was said was for the cameras. Hioe they don't repeat that mistake the next time.
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LOL at Zelenskyy for showing up at the WH dressed like a custom character from Call of Duty.

Dude rolled in thinking because he was an entertainer he could go tit for tat with Trump (and Vance for that matter).

Wtf, over.


Somebody finally calls the dude out on this. This ain't a video game. Show up, and dress the part.

This is crazy, Guy thinks he's a comic book character. The more that come out about all this the more insane it is.

Zenensky showing up and coming at Trump makes about as much sense as the guy that tried to mess with Mike Tyson on a plane and got knocked out.

Z been drinking his own kool-aid. He thinks he a character in a movie. Such a wild scene that it makes you wonder if he MK-Ultra'ed.

Never seen anything like this guy.

An unbelievable course of events.
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 11:00p, 2/28/25
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:
LOL at Zelenskyy for showing up at the WH dressed like a custom character from Call of Duty.

Dude rolled in thinking because he was an entertainer he could go tit for tat with Trump (and Vance for that matter).

Wtf, over.


Somebody finally calls the dude out on this. This ain't a video game. Show up, and dress the part.

This is crazy, Guy thinks he's a comic book character. The more that come out about all this the more insane it is.

Zenensky showing up and coming at Trump makes about as much sense as the guy that tried to mess with Mike Tyson on a plane and got knocked out.

Z been drinking his own kool-aid. He thinks he a character in a movie. Such a wild scene that it makes you wonder if he MK-Ultra'ed.

Never seen anything like this guy.

An unbelievable course of events.


It's his choice what he wears. He doesn't have to wear what you want him to wear.
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Zelensky has a a lot of Yasser Arafat in him. Way he dresses. Way he grifts.
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In reply to infinity ag • 11:05p, 2/28/25
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infinity ag said:
Stat Monitor Repairman said:
Stat Monitor Repairman said:
LOL at Zelenskyy for showing up at the WH dressed like a custom character from Call of Duty.

Dude rolled in thinking because he was an entertainer he could go tit for tat with Trump (and Vance for that matter).

Wtf, over.


Somebody finally calls the dude out on this. This ain't a video game. Show up, and dress the part.

This is crazy, Guy thinks he's a comic book character. The more that come out about all this the more insane it is.

Zenensky showing up and coming at Trump makes about as much sense as the guy that tried to mess with Mike Tyson on a plane and got knocked out.

Z been drinking his own kool-aid. He thinks he a character in a movie. Such a wild scene that it makes you wonder if he MK-Ultra'ed.

Never seen anything like this guy.

An unbelievable course of events.


It's his choice what he wears. He doesn't have to wear what you want him to wear.


When have you ever seen a visiting diplomat insulted for what he wears. The fact that anyone would think that was appropriate tells you everything you need to know. Who even asked this question?
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:
Stat Monitor Repairman said:
LOL at Zelenskyy for showing up at the WH dressed like a custom character from Call of Duty.

Dude rolled in thinking because he was an entertainer he could go tit for tat with Trump (and Vance for that matter).

Wtf, over.


Somebody finally calls the dude out on this. This ain't a video game. Show up, and dress the part.

This is crazy, Guy thinks he's a comic book character. The more that come out about all this the more insane it is.

Zenensky showing up and coming at Trump makes about as much sense as the guy that tried to mess with Mike Tyson on a plane and got knocked out.

Z been drinking his own kool-aid. He thinks he a character in a movie. Such a wild scene that it makes you wonder if he MK-Ultra'ed.

Never seen anything like this guy.

An unbelievable course of events.
It's his choice what he wears. He doesn't have to wear what you want him to wear.
This isn't American Idol. Dude wants to run a country and make a deal,

Show up.
Dress the part.

He clowning people and it's getting old.

Trump desperately trying to prevent WW3 and you got homeboy rolling up in a 5.11 outfit he ordered off Temu.
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 11:07p, 2/28/25
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:
infinity ag said:
Stat Monitor Repairman said:
Stat Monitor Repairman said:
LOL at Zelenskyy for showing up at the WH dressed like a custom character from Call of Duty.

Dude rolled in thinking because he was an entertainer he could go tit for tat with Trump (and Vance for that matter).

Wtf, over.


Somebody finally calls the dude out on this. This ain't a video game. Show up, and dress the part.

This is crazy, Guy thinks he's a comic book character. The more that come out about all this the more insane it is.

Zenensky showing up and coming at Trump makes about as much sense as the guy that tried to mess with Mike Tyson on a plane and got knocked out.

Z been drinking his own kool-aid. He thinks he a character in a movie. Such a wild scene that it makes you wonder if he MK-Ultra'ed.

Never seen anything like this guy.

An unbelievable course of events.
It's his choice what he wears. He doesn't have to wear what you want him to wear.
This isn't American Idol. Dude want's to run a country and make a deal,

Show up.
Dress the part.

He clowning people and it's getting old.

Trump desperately trying to prevent WW3 and you got homeboy rolling up in a 5.11 outfit he ordered off Temu.
You wouldn't like him any more if he was wearing a suit.

This whole anti-Ukraine thing is a circlejerk and nothing more.
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In reply to Waffledynamics • 11:11p, 2/28/25
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[Plenty of warning given last night. All users, address arguments with counter-arguments ON TOPIC only or ignore. Do not engage in any form of name calling, trolling, or thread derailing, overt or implied. -Staff]
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