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In reply to J. Walter Weatherman • 6:34a, 3/30/25
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J. Walter Weatherman said:
nortex97 said:

I don't have an opinion yet, but the presidential palace in Kiev has been left alone quite deliberately.
Yes, I'm sure none of the thousands of rockets sent at Kiev in the last three years were aimed at the palace.

Going to need more than a random twitter post, but I wouldn't blame Zelenskyy if he tried. Putin is solely responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and is currently still standing in the way of peace since he turned down the ceasefire that Ukraine agreed to.
Like it or not, it's true, but fine, Naftali Bennett obtained this promise less than a year into the war, and no direct strikes targeting the green goblin have flowed since.

Something those of us following along have been more aware of, and frankly it's unfortunate (and manipulated/taken advantage of during various Kiev PR tours, air raid sirens blaring for the cameras etc.), imho. That could change now, but reviewing the news this am, I think it was actually not Putin's limo, but some other random Russian oligarch which caught fire, which is good news, given the threats from Z lately toward Putin dying soon.

Anyway, the goblin's whining declaratory complaints toward both Putin and increasingly Trump this week are notable.
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It seems that Ukrainian Leader Volodymyr Zelensky has decided on a path that'll send him clashing with US President Donald J. Trump and his administration.

Besides repeatedly breaching the Trump-brokered partial ceasefire on energy and infrastructure, Zelensky has now made a TV statement that contains at least two very controversial points.

First, he again stated that the hundreds of billions of dollars in US aid to the Kiev regime were NOT 'loans', but rather, donations despite the fact that nothing was ever registered as such.

Secondly, he alerted that Ukraine will NOT sign the reworked rare-earth/mineral exploration deal, although his aides had assured US officials that the deal was ready to be signed.
Zelensky also complained that the US would no longer provide free aid to Ukraine: 'This administration will not do anything for free for us!'
Big anti-war march in Paris. CTH: 'with EU support, Zelensky continues looking for any excuse to derail or avoid peace talks. Meanwhile:

And, "Putin vows to finish off Ukraine." But Kiev has strong EU support, though the UK just announced closure of their very last steel plant.
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7:19a, 3/30/25
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A whole lot of western propaganda out there making people believe anything is Russian propaganda
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In reply to JFABNRGR • 7:25a, 3/30/25
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JFABNRGR said:
Wrong. There were multiple attempts.


I don't remember any. Can you refresh my memory what has been tried?
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In reply to oh no • 8:31a, 3/30/25
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A whole lot of western propaganda out there making people believe anything is Russian propaganda


From the comments on the post. If you see an inflammatory tweet like this with no actual backup, it's good to do at least a little digging because most of these people are just engagement farming. Thankfully Elon has made it even easier with grok.



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- The X post references a debunked claim that USAID paid $4 million to Time Magazine to name Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy its 2022 "Person of the Year," a rumor stemming from a viral fake video identified as false by Euronews and AFP Fact Check.
- Zelenskyy was indeed named Time's 2022 Person of the Year alongside the "Spirit of Ukraine" for his leadership during Russia's invasion, but no evidence on USAspending.gov supports any payment from USAID to Time or its owner, Salesforce
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In reply to J. Walter Weatherman • 9:09a, 3/30/25
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Yeah I haven't figured that one out to be true, but it presumably was laundered through Internews/Newsguard to Time Magazine. Huge operation, of course. I doubt it was a direct/simple 'we pay you $4 million to do this.'



I also wouldn't trust AFP or Euronews to be…remotely honest about anything Zelensky-related.

Separately, good to see Meloni trying to 'bridge' US-Europe divide. Blessed are the peacemakers, as a certain 'person' once said.
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5:44p, 3/30/25

I'm Gipper
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4:57a, 3/31/25
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Well, it is NBC, and I read they didn't release the audio/video of these comments, so I'd take them with a grain of salt. Context of what Trump says always matters, and NBC is very fake news with that 'reporter' in particular having Stage-5 TDS.

Meanwhile:
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6:20a, 4/1/25
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Hmmm…good news?

Rubio to Brussels this week: Ukraine/Nato chats.
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The Trump administration has also brought a major shift to Washington's policy on Ukraine. Pledging to broker a swift peace deal, the U.S. has strong-armed Kyiv by temporarily cutting off military aid while exerting little pressure on Moscow, save for threatening tariffs on Russian oil.


Trump has not approved any new military aid packages for Ukraine, only permitting the continued flow of materiel approved under his predecessor, former President Joe Biden.

Washington also made it clear it expects European countries to take responsibility for their own security and Ukraine, urging them to increase their defense spending targets to 5% of GDP.

"Secretary Rubio will also discuss the shared threat of China to the Euro-Atlantic and Indo-Pacific Alliances at a NATO session with representatives of the Indo-Pacific Partners," Bruce said.
Conflicting reports about July elections; Kiev regime resists of course.
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In reply to nortex97 • 7:56a, 4/1/25
So we've got Iranian drones no longer flying at Ukraine. Thats good. At the same time, we have Iran threatening to strike US troops all over the middle east if Trump follows through with his threats to hit them. Where do we think those ****head drones will be flying to instead?
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In reply to CS78 • 8:05a, 4/1/25
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Russia produces almost all of (if not all of) their shahed type drones (aka Geran) domestically.


Not saying that is a good thing, just doubtful Russia is also exporting them to Iran.

Fortunately, to your point, I don't think Iran has taken delivery of the Su-35's they ordered yet, which could be a problem as far as their air defense capabilities if delivered/trained pilots etc. pending an American attack. Supposedly, they might enter service this year but I'm still skeptical.

Maybe a couple have, but it's pretty sketchy reporting on that. Above is actually an Egyptian paint scheme fwiw.
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In reply to nortex97 • 8:20a, 4/1/25
Didn't know that. Point is, they are buddies in arms. If Russia needs those arms to send Ukraines direction, and Ukraine is happy to keep receiving them, that's one less piece that we might have to absorb personally.

If a deal hits Ukraine and we end up in a tussle with Iran, you can bet Russia will be giving them everything necessary to get their payback.

Situations where US troops very possibly do end up hurt.
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In reply to CS78 • 4:33a, 4/2/25
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Iran is a serial bad actor, without doubt, and run by horrible/evil people, small wonder scum like John F Kerry and Obama love them so much. I'm just not real clear what equipment Russia might 'give' Iran however, that could make a difference in a conflict with the US. Hopefully very little. As well, it's good we have stopped funding/equipping the Iranian proxies like Hamas/UNRWA/Hezbollah for now.

Some progress;

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Russian President Vladimir Putin's economic envoy, Kirill Dmitriev, will visit Washington this week, CNN and Axios reported on Tuesday, citing people familiar with the matter.

Dmitriev, the CEO of the Russian Direct Investment Fund, participated in the meeting with US officials in Saudi Arabia on February 18, where the sides agreed to start normalizing bilateral relations. The meeting was part of US President Donald Trump's efforts to broker an end to the Ukraine conflict.

According to reports, Dmitriev will meet with Trump's Ukraine envoy, Steve Witkoff. He will be the first senior Russian official to visit the US since former President Joe Biden suspended diplomatic contacts in 2022. The US Treasury reportedly temporarily lifted sanctions against Dmitriev to allow him to enter the country.

Reacting to the reports about his visit, Dmitriev wrote "maybe" on his X account. "The resistance to USRussia dialogue is real driven by entrenched interests and old narratives," he added. "But what if improved relations are exactly what the world needs for lasting global security and peace?"

But:
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MOSCOW, April 1 (Reuters) - Russia cannot accept U.S. proposals to end the war in Ukraine in their current form because they do not address problems Moscow regards as having caused the conflict, a senior Russian diplomat said, suggesting U.S.-Russia talks on the subject had stalled.

The comments by Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov suggest Moscow and Washington have so far been unable to bridge differences which President Vladimir Putin raised more than two weeks ago when he said U.S. proposals needed reworking.
Sigh…70 Russian drone attacks overnight. Rubio expressed skepticism in baltics that a deal will be reached in the next 60 days.
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5:18a, 4/3/25
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Again illustrating we should get the hell out of Europe/Nato.

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The conflict between Kiev and Moscow is close to a ceasefire, US President Donald Trump's Ukraine envoy, Keith Kellogg, has said. He stressed that both sides would need to make concessions.

Speaking to Fox Business on Wednesday, Kellogg said that Trump has been "frustrated" with both Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelensky.

The diplomat, nevertheless, said that he remained optimistic that Trump's team would negotiate an end to the conflict. "I really believe we are on the precipice of getting to a ceasefire," he said. "Neither side is going to get everything they want."

"What we want to have is a comprehensive 30-day ceasefire. Once you get there, it's going to be really hard to restart the war," Kellogg said. "What we need is what I would call term sheets this is what the Russians want, this is what the Ukrainians want and bring them together."
Peace in Ukraine=opportunity to stop Iran.
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1:20p, 4/4/25
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Competent leadership
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 5:39a, 4/6/25
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Yep. And now we have Zelensky whining about the US Ambassador Bridget Brink in Kiev not hating Russia enough.

Possible shift:

More on the Biden team lies and command/control of the war:
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The people who quarterbacked the NATO side of the Ukraine war are so pleased with themselves, they can't keep from boasting about things that will make the average American want to pitchfork the lot of them. Entous describes a tale told "through a secret keyhole" that reveals how America was "woven into the war far more intimately and broadly than previously understood." (Translation: it was hidden from us.) Sources not only make it clear that the public was lied to on a continuous basis from the outset of the conflict, but they describe how we were lied to, apparently thinking the methods clever. Some are small semantic gambits the idiots wrongly believe exculpated their actions, but the main revelation involves one gigantic, inexcusable deception. From Joe Biden down, they all lied about the risk of World War III.

They risked our lives and our children's lives, knowingly, repeatedly, and for the worst possible reason: politics. Afraid to admit a mistake, they planned individual excuses while letting bureaucratic inertia expand the conflict. Worse, as was guessed at on this site late last year, the Biden administration after last November's election increased the risk of global conflict by "expanding the ops box to allow ATACMS and British Storm Shadow strikes into Russia," in order to "shore up his Ukraine project." If you check this "secret history" against contemporaneous statements of American and European leaders, you'll find the scale of the lies beyond comprehension. Heads need to roll for this:
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Now we find out from inside sources this was done precisely to prolong the "Ukraine project." There are a hundred details in this "Secret History" that serve as stark warnings to anyone who thinks protection from Armageddon is secure in the hands of career military and intelligence officials. Not only did we allow ourselves to be "blackmailed" into escalating a conflict with a nuclear power, the management of the "partnership" broke down because of a Heathers-style spat between the key brass twits, Ukrainian general Valery Zaluhniy and Mark Milley.

When Milley second-guessed Zaluhniy, the latter would respond with teen-like silence, or by avoiding Milley's next call. Underscoring: the country to which we were giving hundreds of billions in aid didn't feel a need to pick up the phone. Entous describes the general lack of communication via a moment of levity: "Biden administration officials would joke bitterly that they knew more about what the Russians were planning by spying on them than about what their Ukrainian partners were planning."
The solution to the Miller-Zaluhniy feud, no joke, involved a blimp maker:
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To keep them talking, the Pentagon initiated an elaborate telephone tree: A Milley aide would call Maj. Gen. David S. Baldwin, commander of the California National Guard, who would ring a wealthy Los Angeles blimp maker named Igor Pasternak, who had grown up in Lviv with Oleksii Reznikov, then Ukraine's defense minister. Mr. Reznikov would track down General Zaluzhny and tell him, according to General Baldwin, "I know you're mad at Milley, but you have to call him."
The storied Wiesbaden partnership devolving into a game of telephone refereed by a blimp-maker might be the thirtieth- or fortieth-most horrifying detail in the story. There are too many to count.

The standard position of "liberal internationalists" like McFaul is that a United States that does not project its power and engage abroad is inviting mischief and aggression by hostile actors. In other words, not stepping in to oppose Putin militarily in Ukraine would make nuclear war more likely, not less. This could make sense, if officials entrusted with "democracy promotion" weren't always dangerous imbeciles. McFaul for instance was the point man for dealing with Moscow, and couldn't order a beer there without a translator. They think Nguyn Vn Thiu is the same as Hamad Karzai is the same as Volodymyr Zelensky and it never penetrates their thick skulls except by accident that every culture is different and unpredictable, as Lloyd Austin somehow only found out years into the war.
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8:25a, 4/8/25
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Zelensky mad that he isn't getting enough attention/new aid package/cash, lies about CCP soldiers being captured, and of course demands a US response:

Sigh…oh but Elon…

Fortunately the war is generally 'quiet' by previous standards right now, imho.
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4:36a, 4/9/25
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Gonna just say that Trump-Zelensky relations are…not real good right now.

Cavoli is a war-mongering imbecile who needs to be removed for what he's done with the proxy war and insubordination. Get our boys home.


US steps back from Poland's Ukraine war 'aid' hub.
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The US military has stated it planned to withdraw military personnel and equipment from the Polish city of Rzeszw, the main hub for aid for Ukraine, and relocate them to other parts of Poland.
That was, Washington said, in order to make savings and see Poland and other NATO partners take greater responsibility for security in the region.
US broadcaster NBC reported on April 8 that the US was considering withdrawing 10,000 troops from NATO's Eastern flank.
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9:15a, 4/11/25
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Wow, just wow.

I swear he really is a coke addled moron.

But the idiocy of the green goblin is only somehow matched by the EU, primary pro-Kiev faction left, as it talks of aligning with the war's greatest beneficiary, China, against the US.

And China has bankrolled Putin with their partnership on oil/gas/trade via BRICS+ etc. The degrees of insanity are…off the charts, really.
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9:20a, 4/11/25
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So Zelenskyy is an obvious homophobe and the left is silent.
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In reply to nortex97 • 9:38a, 4/11/25
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And, after Zelensky whined about US Ambassador Brink, now she is leaving…after policy disagreements with…Trump.

The next ambassador won't hate Russia enough for him either, if there is one.
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In reply to nortex97 • 9:57a, 4/11/25
Where is that Zelenskyy quote from that amuse is referencing? Not seeing it listed anywhere.
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In reply to J. Walter Weatherman • 10:26a, 4/11/25
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RBC Ukraine.

Not another dime.
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10:34a, 4/11/25
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What's the rationale for him coming at Trump/US that way? Honestly, not just "tHe GuY iS aN iDiOt" responses. Is it truly just ego? Is he being fed so many lies and had his ego fluffed by so many on the left and he's actually bought into it? Is there something more sinister, like a weird plot to undermine someone? I honestly don't get it.
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11:16a, 4/11/25
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Ego and image to his people to look tough and in control.
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In reply to nortex97 • 11:42a, 4/11/25
Thanks - amuse's summary of the quote made it sound like it was about the recent negotiations. Full quote for more context:

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"I believe the problems lie in Mr. Bessent's approach. What he brought with him and said, 'You need to sign this now'... My colleagues know that tapping your finger on the deal and saying, 'Now it has to be signed'I could only tell him, 'Stop tapping your finger and let's talk substantively. He probably expected a different kind of dialogue, but I don't consider Ukraine a third-rate country,'" Zelenskyy emphasized.

The president noted that he and Bessent were supposed to engage on equal terms, as citizens of Ukraine and the United States, with mutual respect. However, this approach "in some sense did not sit well with the American minister."

He added that he would not disclose all the details of the negotiations with Bessent, but he was not afraid if the US Treasury Secretary decided to reveal the full details.

According to Zelenskyy, the draft agreement presented by Bessent contained certain provisions that did not comply with Ukraine's Constitution and legislation.
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In reply to J. Walter Weatherman • 12:07p, 4/11/25
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How does the whole "Ukraine will be run over in days without American support" fit into your constitution and legislation?

Understand previous poster wanting explanations that weren't simply "Z is an idiot", but I really don't see how you can argue that it's not a major factor...
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In reply to agent-maroon • 12:38p, 4/11/25
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How does the whole "Ukraine will be run over in days without American support" fit into your constitution and legislation?

Understand previous poster wanting explanations that weren't simply "Z is an idiot", but I really don't see how you can argue that it's not a major factor...


Not really sure, not familiar enough with whatever part of their constitution or law he's referring to but I'm guessing there was something in the first version of the agreement (maybe in terms of promising that much future revenue) that wasn't going to be legal there? Obviously doesn't make sense in the bigger picture but his hands may have been tied. But, also not surprising the first offer was more one sided than where they landed. Either way it's a good thing he's ready for peace, just need Russia to get on board.

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The United States has taken the lead in pushing for a complete ceasefire in Ukraine. No one is obstructing their efforts, according to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

Asked whether discussions with international partners focus solely on a ceasefire and whether there is a Plan B, Zelenskyy said it was the American side that proposed an unconditional halt to hostilities and is currently working toward that goal.

"We are now discussing a full ceasefire with the American side. We believe they have taken the initiative and are leading it. And frankly, no one is standing in their way," the president said.



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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 12:38p, 4/11/25
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DannyDuberstein said:
Ego and image to his people to look tough and in control.
Pretty much applies to any leader - including Trump.
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4:32p, 4/13/25
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Interesting, direct Kiev-Moscow talks?
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The Black Sea Grain Initiative, originally brokered in July 2022 by the UN and Trkiye, envisioned the safe passage of Ukrainian agricultural products in exchange for the US and EU lifting its restrictions on Russian grain and fertilizer exports. Moscow withdrew from the deal a year later, citing the West's failure to uphold its obligations.

Ukraine's Vladimir Zelensky claimed earlier that Kiev rejected a maritime truce due to it representing "a weakening of positions and a weakening of sanctions" against Russia.

US President Donald Trump confirmed last month that his administration is considering lifting some curbs on Moscow in order to revive the Black Sea Grain Initiative, saying that "there are about five or six conditions. We are looking at all of them."

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen ruled out relaxing EU restrictions on Moscow, insisting they should "remain in effect until a just and lasting peace is established in Ukraine."

According to Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, the maritime truce could take effect only when certain conditions set out by Russia are met. "Of course, this time justice must prevail, and we will continue our work with the Americans [on the Black Sea Initiative]," Peskov stressed.
Russia strikes Kiev celebration of Kursk invasion in Sumy. Sad, in a way, as with all things Kiev-related.

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In reply to J. Walter Weatherman • 9:58a, 4/14/25
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"Guessing" and "may" are doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

I dont see a reason to speculate beyond the simple truth which you stated- "obviously doesn't make sense in the bigger picture"
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In reply to AJ02 • 10:01a, 4/14/25
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What's the rationale for him coming at Trump/US that way? Honestly, not just "tHe GuY iS aN iDiOt" responses. Is it truly just ego? Is he being fed so many lies and had his ego fluffed by so many on the left and he's actually bought into it? Is there something more sinister, like a weird plot to undermine someone? I honestly don't get it.
Never forget, we are dealing with a low IQ weirdo stooge who is just following orders....now whether it's high ranking military officials, or other more outside globalist "string pullers", I don't know.

But this guy is a f-ing clown. tHe GuY rEaLLy iS aN iDiOt aNd iS nOt In CoNtRoL

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1:46p, 4/14/25
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Trump blasts CBS for more fake news about Zelensky/Ukraine (and Greenland).

Crooked Joe and Z:

ETA Just The News piece about Democrats making beaucoup bucks off Russian ventures over the years. Nothing really new to those who have paid any attention, but a nice wrap up with Russiagate files being published this month.
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4:05a, 4/16/25
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Pending offensive in May. (Long post).

Vance blasted the little guy on Sunday/Tuesday over absurd claims:
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US Vice President J.D. Vance has accused Vladimir Zelensky of making "absurd" statements, after the Ukrainian leader suggested that Washington is on Russia's side in the conflict between Moscow and Kiev.
In an interview with CBS News on Sunday, Zelensky claimed that "Russian narratives are prevailing in the US" and that Moscow has "enormous influence"on the administration of US President Donald Trump and its policies.

Responding in a conversation with the UnHerd outlet published on Tuesday, Vance described Zelensky's remarks as "certainly not productive."

"I think it is sort of absurd for Zelensky to tell the [US] government, which is currently keeping his entire government and war effort together, that we are somehow on the side of the Russians," he stressed.

"If you want to end the conflict, you have to try to understand where both the Russians and the Ukrainians see their strategic objectives," Vance added.
Nato to lose virtually all US funding (great news):

As I've long maintained, the ancient radars on the MLU export model F-16A's are just not up to current standards (these were never operated by the US, fwiw). The reality is they are probably primarily only useful in a CAP role around Kiev/western Ukraine. It's just not worth further risking the few trained pilots to employ them as bomb sleds, especially as I don't think we are giving them recon coverage data in real time any longer.

Meanwhile, Zelensky charms 'fake but accurate' CBS:
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Today brings us a new 60 Minutes interview with Zelensky, which was rife with 'interesting' moments, the first being Zelensky's proclamation of his undying hatred for Putin:
Talks of a French-UK 'zone of responsibility' around Odessa if Kiev forces do collapse. I dunno, whatever. Zelensky griping about Washington and public hatred of Putin is pretty clearly not getting him more 'aid' nor closer to a peace deal, any more than award ceremonies around Sumy for Kursk invasion participants are.
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12:54p, 4/17/25
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Fanatical claim here. Curious to see if this will be debunked/corroborated.

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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 1:23p, 4/17/25
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PlaneCrashGuy said:
Fanatical claim here. Curious to see if this will be debunked/corroborated.

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