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Who thought this was a good idea?

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Waffledynamics said:

This is not Ukraine using child soldiers. It's giving their youth training at a young age because the war is expected to drag on for a long time.

These kids are not seeing active combat.
Ukraine doesn't, but the Media's darlings Hamas and Hezbollah does.
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Yeah I was hoping he'd be charged with a crime for that upon return. He should at least be expelled from the House. Former FBI agent under Comey, stage-5 TDS sufferer, fwiw. Anyway, a funny take on the resolute war tourists who go for a photo op for an hour.

Putin aide: Trump understands root causes of the war.
Generally, the Easter truce has a held up, apparently. And a fairly massive prisoner swap was successful this weekend, great to see.

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GAC06 said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Waffledynamics said:

This is not Ukraine using child soldiers. It's giving their youth training at a young age because the war is expected to drag on for a long time.

These kids are not seeing active combat.


It's completely indefensible to start training that young.


Oh my

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/09/24/europe/russia-schools-pro-war-parade-grounds-intl

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/04/07/in-photos-russian-high-schoolers-undergo-basic-military-and-first-aid-training-a80751

https://jamestown.org/program/russia-is-breeding-for-war-through-youth-para-militarization/




Also indefensible. Can you show me where someone on TexAgs defended this?
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Waffledynamics said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Waffledynamics said:

This is not Ukraine using child soldiers. It's giving their youth training at a young age because the war is expected to drag on for a long time.

These kids are not seeing active combat.


It's completely indefensible to start training that young.


No it isn't. We used to have marksmanship classes in schools in the USA. We have ROTC programs and patriotic indoctrination all over the place.

We live in a luxurious place of having two oceans, Canada, and Mexico bordering us. We don't live in a place where a gigantic neighbor would like to kill, rape, pillage, and annex us. It makes perfect sense, especially during an active invasion, to make sure the citizenry is prepared.

The only thing that seems to make it indefensible to some is that the one doing it is Ukraine.


Bolded the operative words "used to".
In which state does ROTC start in the 4th grade?
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

Waffledynamics said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Waffledynamics said:

This is not Ukraine using child soldiers. It's giving their youth training at a young age because the war is expected to drag on for a long time.

These kids are not seeing active combat.


It's completely indefensible to start training that young.


No it isn't. We used to have marksmanship classes in schools in the USA. We have ROTC programs and patriotic indoctrination all over the place.

We live in a luxurious place of having two oceans, Canada, and Mexico bordering us. We don't live in a place where a gigantic neighbor would like to kill, rape, pillage, and annex us. It makes perfect sense, especially during an active invasion, to make sure the citizenry is prepared.

The only thing that seems to make it indefensible to some is that the one doing it is Ukraine.


Bolded the operative words "used to".
In which state does ROTC start in the 4th grade?
Which state has been invaded by Russia lately with almost nightly bombardment of civilian infrastructure, and tens of thousands of civilian deaths?
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
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B-1 83 said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Waffledynamics said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Waffledynamics said:

This is not Ukraine using child soldiers. It's giving their youth training at a young age because the war is expected to drag on for a long time.

These kids are not seeing active combat.


It's completely indefensible to start training that young.


No it isn't. We used to have marksmanship classes in schools in the USA. We have ROTC programs and patriotic indoctrination all over the place.

We live in a luxurious place of having two oceans, Canada, and Mexico bordering us. We don't live in a place where a gigantic neighbor would like to kill, rape, pillage, and annex us. It makes perfect sense, especially during an active invasion, to make sure the citizenry is prepared.

The only thing that seems to make it indefensible to some is that the one doing it is Ukraine.


Bolded the operative words "used to".
In which state does ROTC start in the 4th grade?
Which state has been invaded by Russia lately with almost nightly bombardment of civilian infrastructure, and tens of thousands of civilian deaths?


It sounds like we agree ROTC is not at all comparable to Ukraine training 10 year old child soldiers.
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aggiehawg said:

Who thought this was a good idea?





Jesus what a bozo
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I guess keeping the dream alive or something.

From what I've read though I expect a much larger Russian offensive tomorrow. Putin declined to extend the ceasefire and the little goblin guy claimed Russia violated it 'thousands of times.'
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nortex97 said:


From what I've read though I expect a much larger Russian offensive tomorrow. Putin declined to extend the ceasefire and the little goblin guy claimed Russia violated it 'thousands of times.'


What is your logic behind actively supporting Russia? You seem to go way past just not wanting the US involved. But you lean conservative?
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CS78 said:

nortex97 said:


From what I've read though I expect a much larger Russian offensive tomorrow. Putin declined to extend the ceasefire and the little goblin guy claimed Russia violated it 'thousands of times.'


What is your logic behind activity supporting Russia? You seem to go way past just not wanting the US involved. But you lean conservative?


I support us not funding it
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CS78 said:

nortex97 said:


From what I've read though I expect a much larger Russian offensive tomorrow. Putin declined to extend the ceasefire and the little goblin guy claimed Russia violated it 'thousands of times.'
What is your logic behind activity supporting Russia? You seem to go way past just not wanting the US involved. But you lean conservative?
I just believe, briefly, that the US is safer if Russia believes it is winning, which btw it does. I also resent the hypocrisy of the left, after helping to provoke and prolong this war, then going back to the Maidan revolution, Vindman-Ciaramella call impeachment, Steele Clinton-Brennan dossier of lies from Russia, and of course Hunter laptop (though of course Democrats are duplicitous throughout, about this). There is a 'Russia russia Russia' psychosis in the MSM and other parts of the American left. And as well the Euro's are being driven insane by this disease, imho, even as they are similarly being run into the ground by the globalists.

The dehumanization has worked on many, not just in Kiev's regime but throughout our hemisphere, imho, and I just don't react well to being told I must recite an article of faith about Putin to comment on the war/situation.
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The comparison to earlier truces does occasion an odd thought. The type of mutual respect shared 'between Saxon and Anglo-Saxon' in WWI is nearly unthinkable in today's Ukrainian war. The Germans who met their counterparts in no man's land were said to have been 'confused' as to why the British were even fighting there. The two peoples had mutual respect, and the soldiers of each side had likely understood the inscrutable vagaries of politics had brought them to a fateful and unnecessary clash.

But in the case of the Ukraine war, two nations which should have been bound by a brotherly commonality share a kind of enmity unheard of even between the opponents of past world wars. It is nigh unthinkable for a Ukrainian soldier to praise or even look upon a Russian one as an equal, or an object worthy of even a momentary olive branch of respect. The Ukrainians have been taught to dehumanize the Russians at every turn, in every form and category of civil expression: from the strict adherence to minusculing the name 'russia', or intentionally *******izing it as ruZZia, Rascia, etc., to a long laundry list of overtly racist slursin mimicry of Nazi racialism, no lessdescribing Russians as everything from orcs to izgoi to outright subhumans, depicted in this Ukrainian-circulated meme meant to evoke the typical 'ruZZian orc' of Putin's "mir" known as 'Mordor':

These misbegotten sentiments have been lifted straight out of the CIA and MI6 playbooks, bred into the Ukrainian nationalist psyche since the days of 1948's Operation Aerodynamic. But it's part of a much broader psyop to target all Russian culture, which continues operating to this day, wherein anything of Russian origin is made to be slandered and curbed at all costs, anything even remotely adjacent to Russia curtailed and marginalized so as to never allow the Russian side of the story in the world's greatest geopolitical struggle even the slightest hint of expression.

Just consider the explosion of 'Ruscism' as a term over the past three years: an information campaign designed to reduce Russian culture to a kind of perverse and backward cargo cult led by the caricature of Vladimir Putin as a dictator-illusionist in one, weaving a spell over his impoverished flock drunk on long-past Soviet glories. Funny how the Ukrainian variant of 'lustration' never caught fire in the same way.
Though the sentiment certainly exists on the Russian sidealbeit in mostly justified doses, given the unprovoked attacks on Russian language, culture, and institutions initiated by the Ukrainiansto an immeasurably greater extent, Russian soldiers typically resign themselves to a kind of reluctant pity for their Ukrainian 'younger siblings', who are seen as propagandized into fighting against their will by the tyrannical Atlanticist machine.
More at the link. Sigh…back to war.


Sounds like the ball is, as usual, in Zelensky's court now. "On the Clock." End the war, that way or the other, in short. The 'other' is if we cut off Kiev entirely, in which case they simply won't be able to continue it, regardless of heavy breathing in Brussels/London/Berlin.
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Russia has requested to use their frozen assets to buy Boeings as part of truce. This would be controversial as they had seized a number of leased jets when sanctions were initiated at the outset of the war/invasion. Resolving all of that (lessors want to get paid) and re-establishing parts/support for the civil aviation sector are probably tough issues.
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Putin address includes 6 key points, one of which are weapons winding up on the black market (when they can make it out of Odessa in tact).
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Sponsors hold Ukrainian elites on the hook
Putin alleged that Western sponsors are holding Ukraine's political class captive, forcing them to serve foreign interests rather than those of their own citizens.

"That is why there is such a desire [in Kiev] to cooperate [with the West] and leave everything at the mercy of their sponsors. They're not fighting for the people's interests they're fighting for the billions they stole from the Ukrainian people and sent abroad," he said. "They're hooked on those billions and wouldn't dare speak out, even if they wanted to."

Western-supplied weapons end up on black markets
Putin claimed that Western weapons intended for Ukraine are frequently diverted to illicit arms markets. "This weaponry turns up on black markets sometimes in Africa, sometimes in the Middle East. And the stealing continues. Ukraine's level of corruption is well known," he said.

New overland rail line delivered its first train of supplies bypassing Kerch bridge to Crimea. UK/EU threaten naval blockade of Russia (true hilarity, I think the brits/French/Germans have all of around 25 ships ea). Russia again notes Zelensky should transfer presidential authority to parliamentary leader Zelanchuk. Trump to unveil his plan this week (not sure if that will be in the plan, but hopefully):

Good: Another Kiev US embassy diplomat has resigned (Cook), pouting Trump isn't mean enough to Putin and he just can't handle working for the US now that Peepaw isn't praising Kiev constantly. Zelensky and Trump will both attend pope's funeral, on the 25th, will be curious if the former wears a suit for this event.
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This is a NAFO partisan cheerleader whom I don't respect much at all, obviously (followed by ISW, oh btw), but this represents a significant shift in both tone and the war if true.

Perhaps Putin is taking seriously the Trump negotiations to wind down the war.
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Pretty damn funny, imho.

"Non, Emanuel, Au revoir!"

Calmer Z requested more bombs in Vatican sit down:
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US President Donald Trump has said Ukraine's Vladimir Zelensky was "calmer"during their meeting in the Vatican at the weekend and seemed more open to making a deal with Moscow than during their infamous encounter in the Oval Office.

Speaking to reporters before boarding Air Force One on Sunday, Trump said the tone of his latest discussion with Zelensky was markedly different from their "little dispute" in February, which saw the Ukrainian delegation kicked outof the White House.

"I see him as calmer. I think he understands the picture. And I think he wants to make a deal. I don't know if he wanted to make a deal [before]. I think he wants to make a deal," Trump said.

Earlier this week, Trump told Time magazine that "Crimea will stay with Russia" under any peace agreement, noting that even Zelensky "understands" the reality, despite public declarations to the contrary. Asked whether he believed Zelensky was now prepared to "give up" the peninsula, Trump responded: "Oh, I think so, yeah."
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Gotta love Trump's way with people. He pulls no punches and is staunchly America first.
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Correct.

JD Vance is what happens when ambition outpaces both intellect and integrity. He made a career diagnosing the struggles of ordinary Americans with all the nuance of a fortune cookie, then discarded even that thin pretense the moment it became politically convenient. His rare moments of saying something true are less a mark of insight than statistical inevitability (broken clock accurate twice a day). Vance's loyalty is not to principle, truth, or country, but to whichever audience he thinks will applaud the loudest (he hated Trump and then sold his soul for maga), and the performance grows more hollow every day. That isn't tribalism; it's dedication to a truthful narrative.
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If only ritaards had the insight to psychoanalyze themselves the same way they pretend to do Vance…. and if only they could see how ritaarded they sound before they tap "post"
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Vance and DogeAI are right.
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"If this doesn't stop, the Ukrainians aren't winning the war."

"I think there's this weird idea among the mainstream media that if this thing goes on for just another few years, the Russians will collapse, the Ukrainians will take their territory back, and everything will go back to the way it was before the war."

"That is not the reality we live in. If this thing goes on for another few years, we could have societies collapsing. The demographics of both of these countries are a nightmare. You could have millions of more people killed if this thing goes on for another few years, and it could risk escalating it to a nuclear war."

"It has to stop."
The pro-war folks as noted above just don't get that point, and it's not a complex one, imho.
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JD Vance echoing what I've said since the beginning.
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Many of us have said this from the beginning. …but supposedly not consuming every bit of western propaganda with glee, a lust for death and destruction, and no questions asked makes us Ivans or Igors or Putin stooges or whatever…
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The pro-war folks as noted above just don't get that point, and it's not a complex one, imho.


Oh we get it, it's just that if Russian citizens are ok sending their sons off to die in another land that most of them will never see for a war Putin started, then the US should facilitate that. Aggression is never ok.
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Except when we do it, right?
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Funky Winkerbean said:

Except when we do it, right?
Aggression has 'run the world' since at least Neanderthals cross-bred with Homo sapiens. It's a basic human trait. "Always attack" and the cult of the offensive is somewhat infamously a French doctrine.

As has been said, history may not repeat, but it rhymes, as that doctrine was somewhat of an outcome of the Crimean war.

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Many of the folks guilty of the name calling have disappeared. Moderation the past couple months has tremendously improved the quality of the discourse on this specific issue.

My assumption is they were banned, or tucked tail as Russia continued to advance; and the futility of this war and Biden's objectives became undeniable.
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Wasn't ok then either.
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Point stands. You show up asking for money you better be in a suit.

You got money like this guy and Elon you can wear whatever you want in the WH. Black ball cap and t-shirt, haji flip-flops, it don't matter. That's just the way it is.
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An Arab wearing a thobe =/= an Eastern European wearing a track suit
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mallen said:

Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.


I know we have some morons on this site, but I can't believe there's 248 of them. Holy ****ing *****
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Allright so it looks like Zelensky done come to Jesus on this suit business.
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So, months of banging his head against the wall has knocked some sense into Moochie? Simply amazing
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Pretty funny.
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nortex97 said:

Pretty funny.

Such a ****** bag. You know he's a DB because the left adores him.
 
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