Oh and to circle back, if we're taking that text conversation as it is and without being suspect of it, where are our drive by rare to post liberals who wanted to say he was on the right? The assassin is clearly not associated with the right or any made up right leaning group
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aginlakeway said:TAMUallen said:aginlakeway said:TAMUallen said:LMCane said:Waffledynamics said:
They text conversation doesn't seem very real.
wasn't that released by the government in their charging document?
so you are claiming the USG and FBI just made it all up to frame Robinson?!?!
Not what I'm suggesting but that's so far from a normal conversation when your lover admits to you that they just committed a public assassination. Yes, both appear to be very weird but that's just too much. There's more to it, guaranteed
How many other texts message chains have you seen after such events?
These are both very sick young people. There is no normal when it comes to what they may text.
Point taken but it doesnt make sense or seem normal. These two are certainly way out there but even within that message chain, it doesnt seem believable
It doesn't to you because you're not bat**** crazy.
(And I mean that as a compliment)
Ha thank you.
But I meant even from an outside perspective looking in on a couple crazies and trying to objectively analyze that exchange, it still doesn't seem real. Admittedly, Im not a trained mental health worker but even in comparison to documentaries and true crime shows, it seems bizarre. Anyway, going to let this one go because I've beaten a dead horse
The way that text reads it feels more like an insurance policy to protect the ****** bf and keeping the focus solely on Robinson. If the bf gets pulled in then there is a higher likelihood others will too.
Either that or they are just crazy as **** and how total weirdos talk.
Either that or they are just crazy as **** and how total weirdos talk.
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So you suspect they Furman'ed text messages already?
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Those texts, even if deleted in their phones, will still be on record with the carrier right? No way they were done by law enforcement.
Rockdoc said:
Those texts, even if deleted in their phones, will still be on record with the carrier right? No way they were done by law enforcement.
Yes, texts don't disappear. Everybody knows this. That's one reason why it seems bizarre. I guess this is just too weird and off for my mind to comprehend
I am shocked people on here expect something normal in a text conversation between two psychopaths. One who thinks he is a she and a furry whatever the **** that is and the other who just murdered CK while being recorded hundreds of times over.
That said the last text looks like LEA may have purposely left some out but it may be just like they show it.
I suspect once they have enough information to charge others, they will charge the furry roomate in order to put pressure on. Its also very likely that as the supposed masculine side of the relationship he kept the furry out of some of the violent discourse.
That said the last text looks like LEA may have purposely left some out but it may be just like they show it.
I suspect once they have enough information to charge others, they will charge the furry roomate in order to put pressure on. Its also very likely that as the supposed masculine side of the relationship he kept the furry out of some of the violent discourse.
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His boyfriend really forgot to say "pineapple" at the end of their last role play session and guy just went as far as he could with it.
TAMUallen said:Waffledynamics said:
They text conversation doesn't seem very real.
Exactly what I'm saying. Not to get conspiratorial but it doesn't pass the smell test at all.
I am big believer in conspiracies as they relate to JFK and the first Trump assassination attempt, but I don't get a "conspiratorial vibe" on this one at all...
Sorry...just not seeing it...
I hope we won't be demanding to release docs from CK assassination in 50 years like we do with JFK.
TAMUallen said:Rockdoc said:
Those texts, even if deleted in their phones, will still be on record with the carrier right? No way they were done by law enforcement.
Yes, texts don't disappear. Everybody knows this. That's one reason why it seems bizarre. I guess this is just too weird and off for my mind to comprehend
Depends. This says "texts", but were they actual SMS or RCS messages, iMessages, Signal or Telegram messages.
SMS and RCS are probably retrievable via the carrier, but I think all the others I mention above are point to point and encrypted (in the US anyway; stupid EU notwithstanding). The data might be in the cloud but it's encrypted and these app providers do not have access to the key (on the local phone).
I am sure it is buried in here somewhere, but if you know that someone committed a murder and you do not reveal that to the police, what would be the charges against you? Seems like the roommate didn't know he was going to do it, so he couldn't have prevented it, but also wasn't the person who alerted the authorities.
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RED AG 98 said:TAMUallen said:Rockdoc said:
Those texts, even if deleted in their phones, will still be on record with the carrier right? No way they were done by law enforcement.
Yes, texts don't disappear. Everybody knows this. That's one reason why it seems bizarre. I guess this is just too weird and off for my mind to comprehend
Depends. This says "texts", but were they actual SMS or RCS messages, iMessages, Signal or Telegram messages.
SMS and RCS are probably retrievable via the carrier, but I think all the others I mention above are point to point and encrypted (in the US anyway; stupid EU notwithstanding). The data might be in the cloud but it's encrypted and these app providers do not have access to the key (on the local phone).
I'm strictly speaking of normal text messages without encryption as presented. I'm not buying that lifelong gamers who frequented discord are just tossing out unencrypted texts as their communications for an assassination but who knows. Hard to explain the actions of the crazy
Kool said:
I am sure it is buried in here somewhere, but if you know that someone committed a murder and you do not reveal that to the police, what would be the charges against you? Seems like the roommate didn't know he was going to do it, so he couldn't have prevented it, but also wasn't the person who alerted the authorities.
I believe it is only obstruction if you delete messages or remove evidence etc.
I am not an attorney.
Waffledynamics said:
They text conversation doesn't seem very real.
I'm glad I'm not the only one. Seems like some terribly untalented movie writer wrote that BS
LMCane said:
going to be hard for the leftists to keep gaslighting that Robinson was MAGA after everyone sees his love affair with his boyfriend...
Seems like a fake convo. I'm not saying Robinson is innocent- but this just seems weird
Are you not an accessory after the fact, and could be prosecuted?
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HumbleAg04 said:
Reads exactly like two brain dead 22 year olds with mental disorders. Lower your expectations of humanity to reality.
Just seems too dang weird reading it, like it was a planned conversation. Maybe to cover the roommates arse if he was caught. So, yeah, braindead in this case for sure. But, I don't think this Robinson kid was a complete idiot, he scored 34 of 36 on the ACT. Maybe, he was on the spectrum or something.
Ramdiesel said:HumbleAg04 said:
Reads exactly like two brain dead 22 year olds with mental disorders. Lower your expectations of humanity to reality.
Just seems too dang weird reading it, like it was a planned conversation. Maybe to cover the roommates arse if he was caught.
Seriously- the guy thinks he got away with it, so proceeds to explicitly incriminate himself over text?
LMCane said:
going to be hard for the leftists to keep gaslighting that Robinson was MAGA after everyone sees his love affair with his boyfriend...
That text exchange is weird but y'all know whats even weirder? Banging a furry Trans man but this little weirdo did it and I'm guessing he sent these weird ass texts
Kool said:
I am sure it is buried in here somewhere, but if you know that someone committed a murder and you do not reveal that to the police, what would be the charges against you? Seems like the roommate didn't know he was going to do it, so he couldn't have prevented it, but also wasn't the person who alerted the authorities.
I preface this by saying I want everyone involved in this murder to be punished to to the highest extent allowed under the law, but if I am being fair and impartial...I can make an argument that his boyfriend was probably in shock, in panic, and didn't know how to react or respond in the moment, so I am willing to give him at least the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise...
If my wife had just confided in me her guilt in a murder, let alone a murder of this magnitude, I would probably be in shock and not sure what to do myself...I honestly think some grace should be afforded here unless/until we learn otherwise...
Keyno said:Ramdiesel said:HumbleAg04 said:
Reads exactly like two brain dead 22 year olds with mental disorders. Lower your expectations of humanity to reality.
Just seems too dang weird reading it, like it was a planned conversation. Maybe to cover the roommates arse if he was caught.
Seriously- the guy thinks he got away with it, so proceeds to explicitly incriminate himself over text?
Yeah, assuming that was his personal cell, why would he be using it near the proximity of the crime scene trying to get an opening to go in and snatch the gun? Doesn't add up.
FireAg said:Kool said:
I am sure it is buried in here somewhere, but if you know that someone committed a murder and you do not reveal that to the police, what would be the charges against you? Seems like the roommate didn't know he was going to do it, so he couldn't have prevented it, but also wasn't the person who alerted the authorities.
I preface this by saying I want everyone involved in this murder to be punished to to the highest extent allowed under the law, but if I am being fair and impartial...I can make an argument that his boyfriend was probably in shock, in panic, and didn't know how to react or respond in the moment, so I am willing to give him at least the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise...
If my wife had just confided in me her guilt in a murder, let alone a murder of this magnitude, I would probably be in shock and not sure what to do myself...I honestly think some grace should be afforded here unless/until we learn otherwise...
whether he gave him up out of fear, persuasion, or a semblance of a moral compass, I do give some respect to this weird furry trans man for cooperating.
Keyno said:Ramdiesel said:HumbleAg04 said:
Reads exactly like two brain dead 22 year olds with mental disorders. Lower your expectations of humanity to reality.
Just seems too dang weird reading it, like it was a planned conversation. Maybe to cover the roommates arse if he was caught.
Seriously- the guy thinks he got away with it, so proceeds to explicitly incriminate himself over text?
You know how some people overshare when they're trying to get lucky... remember he's a 20something talking to his whatever. Trying to gain sympathy and also probably had basically nobody else he could tell.
zgolfz85 said:FireAg said:Kool said:
I am sure it is buried in here somewhere, but if you know that someone committed a murder and you do not reveal that to the police, what would be the charges against you? Seems like the roommate didn't know he was going to do it, so he couldn't have prevented it, but also wasn't the person who alerted the authorities.
I preface this by saying I want everyone involved in this murder to be punished to to the highest extent allowed under the law, but if I am being fair and impartial...I can make an argument that his boyfriend was probably in shock, in panic, and didn't know how to react or respond in the moment, so I am willing to give him at least the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise...
If my wife had just confided in me her guilt in a murder, let alone a murder of this magnitude, I would probably be in shock and not sure what to do myself...I honestly think some grace should be afforded here unless/until we learn otherwise...
whether he gave him up out of fear, persuasion, or a semblance of a moral compass, I do give some respect to this weird furry trans man for cooperating.
I will add that there's conflicting reports as to whether or not he has cooperated
Ramdiesel said:Keyno said:Ramdiesel said:HumbleAg04 said:
Reads exactly like two brain dead 22 year olds with mental disorders. Lower your expectations of humanity to reality.
Just seems too dang weird reading it, like it was a planned conversation. Maybe to cover the roommates arse if he was caught.
Seriously- the guy thinks he got away with it, so proceeds to explicitly incriminate himself over text?
Yeah, assuming that was his personal cell, why would he be using it near the proximity of the crime scene trying to get an opening to go in and snatch the gun? Doesn't add up.
He's clearly stupid, as are the vast majority of criminals. Think it's a pretty simple answer. He also left notes and talked to others about his crimes, also a stupid thing to do, if you want to get away with it. Think you can chalk it up to being very dumb (maybe that's an understatement).
I'll also say this...the definition of a "conspiracy" is "a secret agreement between two or more people to commit an unlawful or harmful act"...
I think we are going to find out (I mean, Patel and the Utah County DA have both alluded to this without divulging too much) that more than one person had prior knowledge that this was coming, and, at a minimum, did nothing to try to stop it (and likely, they will probably find out that they encouraged it)... I also won't be shocked if we find out that some of these contacts in this chat space helped provide the assassin with maps of the university, and layout of where these events are usually held on campus, and the best routes to take to access that roof...
So I am fairly certain we will find out that a conspiracy existed, by definition, to assassinate CK...but I am not seeing anything that jumps out at me as something like "planted evidence by the government" or anything like that...
Frankly, I feel like we will know more about this plot than we will ever find out about the 1st attempt on Trump simply because of who is in charge at the highest levels today...
I think we are going to find out (I mean, Patel and the Utah County DA have both alluded to this without divulging too much) that more than one person had prior knowledge that this was coming, and, at a minimum, did nothing to try to stop it (and likely, they will probably find out that they encouraged it)... I also won't be shocked if we find out that some of these contacts in this chat space helped provide the assassin with maps of the university, and layout of where these events are usually held on campus, and the best routes to take to access that roof...
So I am fairly certain we will find out that a conspiracy existed, by definition, to assassinate CK...but I am not seeing anything that jumps out at me as something like "planted evidence by the government" or anything like that...
Frankly, I feel like we will know more about this plot than we will ever find out about the 1st attempt on Trump simply because of who is in charge at the highest levels today...
Ramdiesel said:Keyno said:Ramdiesel said:HumbleAg04 said:
Reads exactly like two brain dead 22 year olds with mental disorders. Lower your expectations of humanity to reality.
Just seems too dang weird reading it, like it was a planned conversation. Maybe to cover the roommates arse if he was caught.
Seriously- the guy thinks he got away with it, so proceeds to explicitly incriminate himself over text?
Yeah, assuming that was his personal cell, why would he be using it near the proximity of the crime scene trying to get an opening to go in and snatch the gun? Doesn't add up.
Because he's dumb and lives in a video game world that is detached from reality...
Because he was confiding in someone/people that he truly felt like he could trust...
Because he wanted to brag a little to his buddies who are like-minded...
I can think of many ways to look at this and it all adds up just fine...
Decay said:Keyno said:Ramdiesel said:HumbleAg04 said:
Reads exactly like two brain dead 22 year olds with mental disorders. Lower your expectations of humanity to reality.
Just seems too dang weird reading it, like it was a planned conversation. Maybe to cover the roommates arse if he was caught.
Seriously- the guy thinks he got away with it, so proceeds to explicitly incriminate himself over text?
You know how some people overshare when they're trying to get lucky... remember he's a 20something talking to his whatever. Trying to gain sympathy and also probably had basically nobody else he could tell.
You're right and that is absolutely plausible. Its just way too neat for me to outright accept and it doesn't help that I start from the position of not trusting the FBI
BlackGold said:Ramdiesel said:Keyno said:Ramdiesel said:HumbleAg04 said:
Reads exactly like two brain dead 22 year olds with mental disorders. Lower your expectations of humanity to reality.
Just seems too dang weird reading it, like it was a planned conversation. Maybe to cover the roommates arse if he was caught.
Seriously- the guy thinks he got away with it, so proceeds to explicitly incriminate himself over text?
Yeah, assuming that was his personal cell, why would he be using it near the proximity of the crime scene trying to get an opening to go in and snatch the gun? Doesn't add up.
He's clearly stupid, as are the vast majority of criminals. Think it's a pretty simple answer. He also left notes and talked to others about his crimes, also a stupid thing to do, if you want to get away with it. Think you can chalk it up to being very dumb (maybe that's an understatement).
He was quite intelligent. Not saying this means he was normal or could fit in but that wasnt the issue
TAMUallen said:zgolfz85 said:FireAg said:Kool said:
I am sure it is buried in here somewhere, but if you know that someone committed a murder and you do not reveal that to the police, what would be the charges against you? Seems like the roommate didn't know he was going to do it, so he couldn't have prevented it, but also wasn't the person who alerted the authorities.
I preface this by saying I want everyone involved in this murder to be punished to to the highest extent allowed under the law, but if I am being fair and impartial...I can make an argument that his boyfriend was probably in shock, in panic, and didn't know how to react or respond in the moment, so I am willing to give him at least the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise...
If my wife had just confided in me her guilt in a murder, let alone a murder of this magnitude, I would probably be in shock and not sure what to do myself...I honestly think some grace should be afforded here unless/until we learn otherwise...
whether he gave him up out of fear, persuasion, or a semblance of a moral compass, I do give some respect to this weird furry trans man for cooperating.
I will add that there's conflicting reports as to whether or not he has cooperated
I have not seen/heard any conflict on whether or not he has cooperated...
If he is not cooperating, and the authorities have gathered all of this without his help, then that would sway my opinion to the other side of this...
Keyno said:Decay said:Keyno said:Ramdiesel said:HumbleAg04 said:
Reads exactly like two brain dead 22 year olds with mental disorders. Lower your expectations of humanity to reality.
Just seems too dang weird reading it, like it was a planned conversation. Maybe to cover the roommates arse if he was caught.
Seriously- the guy thinks he got away with it, so proceeds to explicitly incriminate himself over text?
You know how some people overshare when they're trying to get lucky... remember he's a 20something talking to his whatever. Trying to gain sympathy and also probably had basically nobody else he could tell.
You're right and that is absolutely plausible. Its just way too neat for me to outright accept and it doesn't help that I start from the position of not trusting the FBI
I have more faith in today's FBI than I do in the one investigating the Butler, PA incident...infinitely more trust...
BlackGold said:Ramdiesel said:Keyno said:Ramdiesel said:HumbleAg04 said:
Reads exactly like two brain dead 22 year olds with mental disorders. Lower your expectations of humanity to reality.
Just seems too dang weird reading it, like it was a planned conversation. Maybe to cover the roommates arse if he was caught.
Seriously- the guy thinks he got away with it, so proceeds to explicitly incriminate himself over text?
Yeah, assuming that was his personal cell, why would he be using it near the proximity of the crime scene trying to get an opening to go in and snatch the gun? Doesn't add up.
He's clearly stupid, as are the vast majority of criminals. Think it's a pretty simple answer. He also left notes and talked to others about his crimes, also a stupid thing to do, if you want to get away with it. Think you can chalk it up to being very dumb (maybe that's an understatement).
Apparently he wasn't stupid though. The day he was arrested it was reported that he had a 4.0 in high school, had some high ACT score and students that knew him said he was quite intelligent. So what's the truth?
Gig em G said:BlackGold said:Ramdiesel said:Keyno said:Ramdiesel said:HumbleAg04 said:
Reads exactly like two brain dead 22 year olds with mental disorders. Lower your expectations of humanity to reality.
Just seems too dang weird reading it, like it was a planned conversation. Maybe to cover the roommates arse if he was caught.
Seriously- the guy thinks he got away with it, so proceeds to explicitly incriminate himself over text?
Yeah, assuming that was his personal cell, why would he be using it near the proximity of the crime scene trying to get an opening to go in and snatch the gun? Doesn't add up.
He's clearly stupid, as are the vast majority of criminals. Think it's a pretty simple answer. He also left notes and talked to others about his crimes, also a stupid thing to do, if you want to get away with it. Think you can chalk it up to being very dumb (maybe that's an understatement).
Apparently he wasn't stupid though. The day he was arrested it was reported that he had a 4.0 in high school, had some high ACT score and students that knew him said he was quite intelligent. So what's the truth?
Being mentally intelligent and socially dumb are not mutually exclusive...
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