Nick is a leftist who hates minorities and especially jews. He supports leftist economics. But he's a white nationalist.

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It's perfectly reasonable to question someone's Christian bonafides if they support the war in Gaza.

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How is this false?

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They bomb every church in Gaza, how can you defend that?

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Because, didn't you know? They're all terrorists and that's what we do to terrorists.

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Charlie Kirk was recently wondering out loud if there was a stand down order

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Stop lying.

He said that right after the attack happened

He was an unapologetic defender of Israel

You and your ilk will NOT ruin his legacy. You are no better than Libs.

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He defended Israel, but not every action they took, especially in the Gaza war. He explicitly stated that one can be pro-Israel, but still criticize the government. He criticized some of Israel's actions and was told he was a bad Christian for it.

He was starting to say too much. pic.twitter.com/FBko2Ck1s4

— ĐⱤØ₲Ø🇺🇸 (@KAGdrogo) September 13, 2025

this thread is the epitome of the classical old coot thats starting to realize the world has passed him by.

fuentes is just the tip of the spear.

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Please lock this stupid thread and quit giving that idiot space

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That's right, shut down discourse. The far right makes casual conservatives become lefties.

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What you call discourse is nothing more than pearl clutching beta paranoia about an idiot that has nothing to do with MAGA or TPUSA, yet betas quake in their boots when the constantly lying liberals try and gaslight conservatives with lies. Gaslighting only works on the neutered.

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What keeps the Fuentes' of the right from being seen as maga? I know they're "further right," than maga, or at least seen themselves that way, but what does further right than maga even look like?

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Well for for one thing, haven't ever clearly seen what the other side defines as `MAGA' or what they think it is. Alot of it is just simply hard anti-left with alot of Tea Party values and basic Reagan revival strains mixed with populism. Many confuse it with some kind of Trump worship but its just that Trump fights, and none one else other than Ted Cruz hardly did (and was also hated by squishes) What it really is admiration of anti-timidity and finally hitting back. The MSM has needed dismantling all century for example. Yet something as outlier as open re-segregationist or whatever is directly implied is not a major value --- yet. (Unchecked behavior like the subway may do it)

Its kind of like until second term Obama (who certainly changed the tone) and Biden outright -- you wouldn't just assume Weatherman and Black Panthers were "the Liberals." That's changed, but it was those two admins doing.

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That makes all the sense in the world about what maga is. O mean, the right (Trump or whoever) came up with it and ran with it. Genius level politicking, IMO.

I just thought that he Fuentes and Kirks and Shapiros on the right were all on the same page and like by all equally. That's why when I heard there was a guy and a group that was further right, it was surprising to me.

I shouldn't have been, though. I mean the left had their far-left that then had even further left (radicals like antifa).

Anyway, thanks for the input, Titan; I appreciate it.

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Ah, I see just how unclear it was for you. No, Kirk and Shapiro are not like Fuentes at all. And even in Fuentes' defense, as far as I know have never heard his name associated with advocating violence. He is just one of those fringe view points you also don't want to entirely silence because they can have their point. From what I have heard, he is completely turned off of and cynical about the idea of race relations and multiculturalism that he (if correct, I may be wrong) he wanted a white Israel. If wrong, and he is not the man, I apologize. Nor am I saying he has to recant that cynical view. We are seeing considerable evidence of multiculturalism's failure.

But that's just the thing -- one of the reasons the Right rarely wins election is precisely for the fact we are not interchangeable. You can have a complete sap like Kinzinger who is as probably as left as you can go without being officially a Democrat, then start sliding rightward on the scale. You encounter Limbaugh well before Shapiro. Shapiro is a much sterner guy than Kirk, and pro Israel probably unconditionally. Charlie Kirk needs no description now, bless his memory. Fuentes and Jared Taylor are well to the right. But they are still not the Antifa equivalent -- I don't think they support violence. More like the Scott Adams conclusion on steroids.

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Thanks for taking the time to make sure I understood, my friend.

See you in the next thread.

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I am not sure what the `groyper' bit is about or that movement either, but here's the deal. On prior page 3 outlined what our early GenX grew up with, felt, as much as was taught. That was no illusion and was experienced. Yet it is true that with the 21st C that has seemed to fray. Read through all 13 pages of the Ukraine girl murder thread there are revelations and claims that are more than little jarring if they are correct not to mention simple observing of daily events these years. This makes the whole issue more complicated.

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If you want to get an idea of Fuentes's beliefs on race, watch his first show on Rumble after the Ukraine girl was killed.

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Okay, have watched it. You say this line of thought is expanding among the younger? Problem with the whole matter is like Scott Adams making a similar message, he is more correct that not. But much of it, as he himself does cover in the video is due to the refusal to enforce the law and constantly giving a pass to one section. Have long believed that a replacement of the crime and punishment with a more simplified less gray one of swift and harsh punishment carried out impartially, would stop much of this. The MSM and a particular party needs be driven off stage to stop the enabling - but it seems this might work. Even he comes down on the side of "wanting the laws enforced" "It would be one thing if Liberals or the govt came down on this and condemned it but they don't ,they don't even f'in talking about it but they don't even talk about it." and when others bring it up they attack with all the racist nonsense "It would be one thing if getting coverage in press, generating mandate to put and end to it. But its not, its excused. Its being inflicted."

This is powerful, because true about the ruling Left class that basically sets all narrative despite the temporary loss of the Executive power. If this is gaining currency among the young there is going to be real trouble because it is genuinely true and they are going to start acting more in their interest. He is absolutely right that if she hadn't been Ukrainian, and a bit more suspicious, she might be alive. That's damning stuff but who can really deny it.

Now there is also this talk of being an anti-semite and all that its probably true given board threads- --but there is more than one topic and one can be direly wrong on one layer and square on about another.

Most interest of all was his almost plaintive warning about his Christian restraint, and not wanting chaos and suffering -- but that there are further right than him that don't have that, or even faith and continued toleration of this will bring ruin.

Throwing around labels is kind of futile-- its more important if it is true that more and more youth are reaching this conclusion because of the lawlessness always excused by the press and allowed by the Left administrations since 2012 and continuing today locally in many places. Better keep an eye on this.

Own notion - The solution does appear to be somehow enacting and getting to inducing a level of swifter and blunter but impartial justice. Local leadership that enables crime being removed from above by whatever mechanism can be legislated or coined might be a start. New, but something has to be done.

For the record this is what Charlie Kirk had to say about Nick Fuentes & his ilk just 3 weeks ago:

“Any young person that goes into this hyper online brain rot, you are serving yourself over to your own demise, a suicide mission that will not make you healthier or happier” (1) pic.twitter.com/SNSJvJY2AR

— Melissa Tate (@TheRightMelissa) September 14, 2025

Never heard of him...but appears 12 rules for radicals is going all in

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For the record this is what Charlie Kirk had to say about Nick Fuentes & his ilk just 3 weeks ago:

“Any young person that goes into this hyper online brain rot, you are serving yourself over to your own demise, a suicide mission that will not make you healthier or happier” (1) pic.twitter.com/SNSJvJY2AR

— Melissa Tate (@TheRightMelissa) September 14, 2025

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Charlie Kirk made an out of the park rebuttal to using anti-Jewish as some kind of go-to for blaming problems on. Especially the blaming 0.2% was telling. Notice he said "he would not debate Candace" but would any student that wanted to bring things up. This must have been after that really crazy spat not that long ago.

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For the record this is what Charlie Kirk had to say about Nick Fuentes & his ilk just 3 weeks ago:

“Any young person that goes into this hyper online brain rot, you are serving yourself over to your own demise, a suicide mission that will not make you healthier or happier” (1) pic.twitter.com/SNSJvJY2AR

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Lol that response plays great for BoomerCons, but it's substantively inadequate. It does not address any actual concerns regarding American domestic and foreign policy. It beats down a strawman of grievances.

Charlie Kirk refused to debate Nick Fuentes despite people on his own side calling for him to do so. Would have been good to see actual ideas/beliefs fleshed out and discussed.

Wasn't Charlie Kirk talking about standard anti-semitism, rather than questining the Israeli state and government? He did himself. He wasn't a foreign policy blind follower. Its another thing made him interesting.

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Wasn't Charlie Kirk talking about standard anti-semitism, rather than questining the Israeli state and government? He did himself. He wasn't a foreign policy blind follower. Its another thing made him interesting.

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Correct, he deflected to taking down low-IQ-anti-semites, rather than engage the actual question asked of him. It's much easier to do than engage legitimate criticisms.

Also the guy asking the question is almost too on the nose lol. Surely that's a Groyper pretending to be a Zionist in order to get a front row seat and the ability to ask that question.

Yes, Kirk was talking about "Standard" anti-semitism, which describes Fuentes and his followers. Criticizing the country Israel does not make one an anti-semite.

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Yes, Kirk was talking about "Standard" anti-semitism, which describes Fuentes and his followers. Criticizing the country Israel does not make one an anti-semite.

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No, but you realize it kind of does to the media and blocks of both Dems and Republican. So it can tricky.

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Yes, Kirk was talking about "Standard" anti-semitism, which describes Fuentes and his followers. Criticizing the country Israel does not make one an anti-semite.

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I know you think this is true, but you are incorrect. You don't think you are incorrect, but you absolutely are. You must come to terms with that.

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Yes, Kirk was talking about "Standard" anti-semitism, which describes Fuentes and his followers. Criticizing the country Israel does not make one an anti-semite.

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No, but you realize it kind of does to the media and blocks of both Dems and Republican. So it can tricky.

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Stop taking his word for it. He doesn't know what he's talking about. You may as well be talking to someone from the DailyBeast on this issue. They have the same amount of knowledge on this subject.

He doesn't need to take my word for it. He can listen to Fuentes for himself.

Fuentes is a known antisemite. He is free to be so, you were free to defend him all you want. That's part of free speech. But It's an ugly look for you both.

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First, this is in no way related to Charlie Kirk and I'm not saying the killer was alt right.

I'm wondering who here knew about Nick Fuentes prior to this happening? I've watched a few of his videos and the conservative movement needs to do everything they can to separate themselves from this guy and those like him. Guys like this are the problem and allow the left to group the right with people like Nick Fuentes, and we absolutely need to do more than what's already been done (if anything) to draw the line between the right and extremists like Nick Fuentes. Curious to see how others here view this guy.

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well said.

and yes, you can see I have been warning about this neo-Nazi white supremacist for years now.

Fuentes, Bilzerian, Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson all now routinely spend most of their time railing against the Jews and non-whites (Fuentes is part hispanic)

William Buckley Jr. fought against the John Birch Society in the 1950s to purge those Nazis from the conservative ranks. and thank the lord he did!

we cannot be victorious hitching our wagon of conservatism to haters, slanderers, and maniacs.

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He doesn't need to take my word for it. He can listen to Fuentes for himself.

Fuentes is a known antisemite. He is free to be so, you were free to defend him all you want. That's part of free speech. But It's an ugly look for you both.

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I'd encourage it and I'd encourage you to do the same.

You listening to 30 second clips and jokes is not listening to him for yourself.

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First, this is in no way related to Charlie Kirk and I'm not saying the killer was alt right.

I'm wondering who here knew about Nick Fuentes prior to this happening? I've watched a few of his videos and the conservative movement needs to do everything they can to separate themselves from this guy and those like him. Guys like this are the problem and allow the left to group the right with people like Nick Fuentes, and we absolutely need to do more than what's already been done (if anything) to draw the line between the right and extremists like Nick Fuentes. Curious to see how others here view this guy.

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well said.

and yes, you can see I have been warning about this neo-Nazi white supremacist for years now.

Fuentes, Bilzerian, Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson all now routinely spend most of their time railing against the Jews and non-whites (Fuentes is part hispanic)

William Buckley Jr. fought against the John Birch Society in the 1950s to purge those Nazis from the conservative ranks. and thank the lord he did!

we cannot be victorious hitching our wagon of conservatism to haters, slanderers, and maniacs.

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Candance Owens is borderline ******ed and is the definition of a low-IQ anti-semite.

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He doesn't need to take my word for it. He can listen to Fuentes for himself.

Fuentes is a known antisemite. He is free to be so, you were free to defend him all you want. That's part of free speech. But It's an ugly look for you both.

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Investigating something independently is an ugly look? Humph. Ludicrous.As if someone just believes something they watch automatically. Certainly not this case.

That's not what I said.

Investigating independently should be done, which is what you are doing.

Defending and carrying water for a known (and proud) antisemite is what's a bad look

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First, this is in no way related to Charlie Kirk and I'm not saying the killer was alt right.

I'm wondering who here knew about Nick Fuentes prior to this happening? I've watched a few of his videos and the conservative movement needs to do everything they can to separate themselves from this guy and those like him. Guys like this are the problem and allow the left to group the right with people like Nick Fuentes, and we absolutely need to do more than what's already been done (if anything) to draw the line between the right and extremists like Nick Fuentes. Curious to see how others here view this guy.

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Thank you SD-

well said.

and yes, you can see I have been warning about this neo-Nazi white supremacist for years now.

Fuentes, Bilzerian, Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson all now routinely spend most of their time railing against the Jews and non-whites (Fuentes is part hispanic)

William Buckley Jr. fought against the John Birch Society in the 1950s to purge those Nazis from the conservative ranks. and thank the lord he did!

we cannot be victorious hitching our wagon of conservatism to haters, slanderers, and maniacs.

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But it was the Left that brought Fuentes into this by wish casting that the shooter was really alt-right. The Left is masterful at smearing the broad conservative base with the views of Right wing extremists like Fuentes. All they have to do is inject his name into the dialog and the Right is thrown off of its game and playing defense. There is no tit for tat when it comes to this. Ffs, NY is about to elect a loud and proud communist with a public history of anti-semitism.

What they do works on their own base much more so than on the Right's. Wait a month or two and ask a Dem acquaintance if he thought Kirk's killer was alt right or leftist. Odds are decent he'll say the killer was right wing.

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Tucker Carlson is now considered one of these? I missed that shift in the sabbatical this year. I was aware of his fight with Levin, but that was over the fact that Tucker has always been against overseas involvement and felt we were being drawn into yet more Neocon Mideast visions. But this is new.

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Investigating independently should be done, which is what you are doing.

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Oh, yes that would be if that was going on. But it certainly is not. Not remotely on the Gaza side since Oct 7.

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No, but you realize it kind of does to the media and blocks of both Dems and Republican. So it can tricky.

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Leftist and the mainstream media love to blur the lines. They want people to think that Kirk is the same as Fuentes so everyone hates Kirk for example.

Then you have these groyper type weirdos but also want to blur the lines. They want you to think that Kirk and Fuentes are the same, when they are nothing alike.

It's a great example of the horseshoe theory at work. Both of these groups claimed to be different, but both really don't like Jewish people and really want authoritarianism.

Both groups are the enemies of conservatives like yourself, me and Kirk.

The left needs to seperate itself from the LGBTQ+ movement, they have become radicalized and are killing people.

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No, but you realize it kind of does to the media and blocks of both Dems and Republican. So it can tricky.

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Leftist and the mainstream media love to blur the lines. They want people to think that Kirk is the same as Fuentes so everyone hates Kirk for example.

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This is an interesting point and worth exploring. You could argue they do this because they want Kirk to be considered an outcast like Fuentes. Or you could argue they do it so that if you are consuming Charlie Kirk you think you are also consuming Nick Fuentes. It's a sort of reverse gatekeeping.

The millions of people who discover Charlie Kirk think they are also discovering the far right and Fuentes. They don't look in to it further and they become BoomerCons rather than America First.

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Yes, Kirk was talking about "Standard" anti-semitism, which describes Fuentes and his followers. Criticizing the country Israel does not make one an anti-semite.

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No, but you realize it kind of does to the media and blocks of both Dems and Republican. So it can tricky.

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Leftist and the mainstream media love to blur the lines. They want people to think that Kirk is the same as Fuentes so everyone hates Kirk for example.

Then you have these groyper type weirdos but also want to blur the lines. They want you to think that Kirk and Fuentes are the same, when they are nothing alike.

It's a great example of the horseshoe theory at work. Both of these groups claimed to be different, but both really don't like Jewish people and really want authoritarianism.

Both groups are the enemies of conservatives like yourself, me and Kirk.

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Problem with Fuentes is he is probably basically right about what the board calls `The Culture' and its promotion and enabling by Democrats. (not genetic part--that's a hard sell for me)

But thats is even a whole different deal from the horseshoe and overlap problem you describe. More later, duty calls.

“Charlie Kirk is a bitch… a totally unexceptional human being.”

“He’s not the patriot he claims to be… just some retarded idiot.”

“Is he really Christ-like when he supports foreign wars and Israel? He’s a fake Christian, a fake patriot, un-American.”

“He’s anti-white, with a… pic.twitter.com/IFXtE8s7Ii

— P a u l ◉ (@SkylineReport) September 15, 2025

Yes, Nick Fuentes was a political adversary to Charlie Kirk. He smeared him over the years. He straight up admits all of this in his eulogy stream last week.

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Tucker Carlson is now considered one of these? I missed that shift in the sabbatical this year. I was aware of his fight with Levin, but that was over the fact that Tucker has always been against overseas involvement and felt we were being drawn into yet more Neocon Mideast visions. But this is new.

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Yep, Tucker now gives airtime to every anti-Israel conspiracy. He's obsessed.

Tucker Carlson: “I’m not obsessed with Israel” pic.twitter.com/CCuf3mdeAM

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) August 14, 2025

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“Charlie Kirk is a bitch… a totally unexceptional human being.”

“He’s not the patriot he claims to be… just some retarded idiot.”

“Is he really Christ-like when he supports foreign wars and Israel? He’s a fake Christian, a fake patriot, un-American.”

“He’s anti-white, with a… pic.twitter.com/IFXtE8s7Ii

— P a u l ◉ (@SkylineReport) September 15, 2025

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How is this supposed to be damning again? It's supposed to make Fuentes look like a bad person because he said that stuff 6 years before Kirk was assassinated?

The Groyper Wars made Kirk and a lot of other Con, Inc.-ers look like intellectual lightweights and Israel Firsters. There was a definitive winner and loser in the Groyper Wars, and Con, Inc. lost in a landslide.

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Except a lot of the criticism of Israel is due to antisemitism. Those kind simply hate anything Israel does because of "the Jews."

Fuentes is a piece of **** and the world would be better off without him and his ilk.

What is sad is there are people who feel Fuentes isn't far right enough for them.