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Yes, Kirk was talking about "Standard" anti-semitism, which describes Fuentes and his followers. Criticizing the country Israel does not make one an anti-semite.

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Except a lot of the criticism of Israel is due to antisemitism. Those kind simply hate anything Israel does because of "the Jews."

Fuentes is a piece of **** and the world would be better off without him and his ilk.

What is sad is there are people who feel Fuentes isn't far right enough for them.

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NeoCons and BoomerCons love saying "you can criticize Israel and their government and not be anti-semitic" but at the same time they can't point to a single example of Israel criticism that they won't call anti-semitic.

This is why y'all are the Woke Right.

Have to confess that other than some kerfluffle over Fuentes having dinner at Mar A Lago with Trump here on F16, have no idea who he is.

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but at the same time they can't point to a single example of Israel criticism that they won't call anti-semitic.

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I have pointed out many examples. Then again, I'm neither a NeoCon nor a BoomerCon. I am a conservative.

For example, there are lots of conservatives that think Netanyahu is doing bad on the Gaza issue. Thats different than spreading lies sayings he is committing a Holocaust.

One can not like that Israel killed the poor terrorists in Qatar since that was a sovereign country. Very different than those lying saying those terrorists are just freedom fighters.





Tell us more stories of the Groyper Wars. Is that from the Prequels? So riveting!

Why do we act like the modern state of Israel is in any way Semitic? The state was created by the Rothschilds in 1948 and its people are all of European descent.

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Have to confess that other than some kerfluffle over Fuentes having dinner at Mar A Lago with Trump here on F16, have no idea who he is.

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You aren't missing anything. He is a loser. Think Farrakhan with less expensive suits and better hair.

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Have to confess that other than some kerfluffle over Fuentes having dinner at Mar A Lago with Trump here on F16, have no idea who he is.

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You aren't missing anything. Think Farrakhan with less expensive suits and better hair.

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My word. You should have stopped digging your hole.

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this thread is the epitome of the classical old coot thats starting to realize the world has passed him by.

fuentes is just the tip of the spear.

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Fuentes is a moderate in comparison to a very large portion of his followers. Further, he only represents a portion of the dissident sphere. He's the most well known but there are a number of others around too.

I'm an older millennial and it honestly shocks me how out of touch this place has become.

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Have to confess that other than some kerfluffle over Fuentes having dinner at Mar A Lago with Trump here on F16, have no idea who he is.

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What picking up on is he is two main branches - an unapologetic segregationist, and even seems to have been following conclusions like the Shockley debate you mentioned, and second the anti-Israel kind of anti-semitic but he may also be the standard kind of anti-semitic, don't know.

What is true, is he is not the far extreme. He is even warning of them somewhat. Watched his Sep 9th show on the subway murder. To keep from being drawn into weeds, its real simple to say he has argued and come to Scott Adams conclusion on steroids, but also tied it to its direct enabling by the Left.

What isn't going to work is continuing to ignore the issue the Culture mis-match and getting a better handle on its causes. What concerns me is the 13 pages of the Irina murder is what is revealed. A question it would be intriguing to know what Fuentes thought -- is what would he say to the point that it sure like not one of those was a Republican. So is it really race, and what the hell is race?

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Serious Lee said:

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this thread is the epitome of the classical old coot thats starting to realize the world has passed him by.

fuentes is just the tip of the spear.

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Fuentes is a moderate in comparison to a very large portion of his followers. Further, he only represents a portion of the dissident sphere. He's the most well known but there are a number of others around too.

I'm an older millennial and it honestly shocks me how out of touch this place has become.

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What you see as out of touch in some cases is just shock at the volume of which some of that underground reality seems to have grown. Those groyper wars if that is the name for that heckling period (which do recall that) were just seen as White Nationalists baiting Charlie Kirk and being kind of like radical Leftists on campus trying to derail. All these subtexts were not seen. Kind of like the pink hats on the Left. But that is some time ago, and much has changed. Even that Fuentes character. He was extremely young then.

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Stone Choir said:

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Serious Lee said:

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this thread is the epitome of the classical old coot thats starting to realize the world has passed him by.

fuentes is just the tip of the spear.

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Fuentes is a moderate in comparison to a very large portion of his followers. Further, he only represents a portion of the dissident sphere. He's the most well known but there are a number of others around too.

I'm an older millennial and it honestly shocks me how out of touch this place has become.

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What you see as out of touch in some cases is just shock at the volume of which some of that underground reality seems to have grown. Those groyper wars if that is the name for that heckling period (which do recall that) were just seen as White Nationalists baiting Charlie Kirk and being kind of like radical Leftists on campus trying to derail. All these subtexts were not seen. Kind of like the pink hats on the Left. But that is some time ago, and much has changed. Even that Fuentes character. He was extremely young then.

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That's the issue, isn't it? They were all very legitimate questions that never got adequate answers, even when the speakers knew the questions were coming weeks in advance.

The questioners were dismissed as extremists for no reason other than people didn't want to grapple with their premises.

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Stone Choir said:

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Serious Lee said:

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this thread is the epitome of the classical old coot thats starting to realize the world has passed him by.

fuentes is just the tip of the spear.

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Fuentes is a moderate in comparison to a very large portion of his followers. Further, he only represents a portion of the dissident sphere. He's the most well known but there are a number of others around too.

I'm an older millennial and it honestly shocks me how out of touch this place has become.

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What you see as out of touch in some cases is just shock at the volume of which some of that underground reality seems to have grown. Those groyper wars if that is the name for that heckling period (which do recall that) were just seen as White Nationalists baiting Charlie Kirk and being kind of like radical Leftists on campus trying to derail. All these subtexts were not seen. Kind of like the pink hats on the Left. But that is some time ago, and much has changed. Even that Fuentes character. He was extremely young then.

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A large part of the reason it has grown is because the normal conservative right has no answers for any of those questions or statistics. Reality is racist and it's undeniable.

Unlike the far left, virtually everything on the right is fact based, statistics based, and data based. The meme of a right wing person learning everything they can about a foreign culture and race so they can be more racist more effectively is a very real thing. A large part of the right can tell you where someone is from by their facial structure alone.

I could go on and on about this topic but it also doesn't help that whites have been told for decades that we are evil because we are white and every other race is allowed to organize along racial lines. Whites are in turn not allowed. Exactly what did you olds expect would happen with the youth? Especially once this tribalism began seriously affecting their quality of life? That they would continue believing in egalitarianism?

It's delusional thinking. Now they discount and ignore everything anyone over the age of 50 says and look at them with disdain because they feel that the older generations created this problem.

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What picking up on is he is two main branches - an unapologetic segregationist, and even seems to have been following conclusions like the Shockley debate you mentioned, and second the anti-Israel kind of anti-semitic but he may also be the standard kind of anti-semitic, don't know.

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Well, while I am well versed in the Shockley story (which was not eugenics actually. Not like Sanger was.)

But he was commenting on what he found. testing for that was not that reliable, granted. But raising the question was universally dismissed and denied.

I hate to post this. But do crime statistics bear out his predictions? IOW are we there? That is not any accusation but a question. IDK if he was?.
Statiscis say one thing.

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I could go on and on about this topic but it also doesn't help that whites have been told for decades that we are evil because we are white and every other race is allowed to organize along racial lines. Whites are in turn not allowed. Exactly what did you olds expect would happen with the youth? Especially once this tribalism began seriously affecting their quality of life? That they would continue believing in egalitarianism?

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Interesting post. Always been the enemy of the italics -- hated its ushering in as political correctness in the late 80's. And on that narrow point the Left has succeeded in smashing down the original objection, that now fine to organize along perceived tribal lines if needed. Do not believe in mutliculturalism any more. Still I would rather get rid of the pied pipers that make it necessary. I believe tribal can also be political and ideological.

You should not look down on those older than 50 unless they are just hurling canned talking points on you. Alot of GenX is aware of the crap sandwich the ruling class and press has passed down. And plenty consider a Marxist Maoist state the no-go no matter what instead. And for a while there, looked really headed that way.

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What picking up on is he is two main branches - an unapologetic segregationist, and even seems to have been following conclusions like the Shockley debate you mentioned, and second the anti-Israel kind of anti-semitic but he may also be the standard kind of anti-semitic, don't know.

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Well, while I am well versed in the Shockley story (which was not eugenics actually. Not like Sanger was.)

But he was commenting on what he found. testing for that was not that reliable, granted. But raising the question was universally dismissed and denied.

I hate to post this. But do crime statistics bear out his predictions? IOW are we there? That is not any accusation but a question. IDK if he was?.
Statiscis say one thing.

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That's what kind of bothers. Is this ever really investigated fairly. With the detachment of trying to figure out volcanic eruption types? Its pretty evident its No. I don't know the answer you are interested in. One stat would like to know though, about all these horrid cases (subway the latest) is there something to the TexAg's satirical "Democrats Democrating" are the feral and regressive ever Republican ones. On this also rests the idea its nurture, not nature type thing.

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Stone Choir said:

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Serious Lee said:

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this thread is the epitome of the classical old coot thats starting to realize the world has passed him by.

fuentes is just the tip of the spear.

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Fuentes is a moderate in comparison to a very large portion of his followers. Further, he only represents a portion of the dissident sphere. He's the most well known but there are a number of others around too.

I'm an older millennial and it honestly shocks me how out of touch this place has become.

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What you see as out of touch in some cases is just shock at the volume of which some of that underground reality seems to have grown. Those groyper wars if that is the name for that heckling period (which do recall that) were just seen as White Nationalists baiting Charlie Kirk and being kind of like radical Leftists on campus trying to derail. All these subtexts were not seen. Kind of like the pink hats on the Left. But that is some time ago, and much has changed. Even that Fuentes character. He was extremely young then.

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A large part of the reason it has grown is because the normal conservative right has no answers for any of those questions or statistics. Reality is racist and it's undeniable.

Unlike the far left, virtually everything on the right is fact based, statistics based, and data based. The meme of a right wing person learning everything they can about a foreign culture and race so they can be more racist more effectively is a very real thing. A large part of the right can tell you where someone is from by their facial structure alone.

I could go on and on about this topic but it also doesn't help that whites have been told for decades that we are evil because we are white and every other race is allowed to organize along racial lines. Whites are in turn not allowed. Exactly what did you olds expect would happen with the youth? Especially once this tribalism began seriously affecting their quality of life? That they would continue believing in egalitarianism?

It's delusional thinking. Now they discount and ignore everything anyone over the age of 50 says and look at them with disdain because they feel that the older generations created this problem.

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I am a 50 year old conservative. What am I missing? What does the alt right know that I do not? Give me the highlights and let's see if I am not getting it or missed the boat.

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Stone Choir said:

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titan said:

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Stone Choir said:

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Serious Lee said:

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this thread is the epitome of the classical old coot thats starting to realize the world has passed him by.

fuentes is just the tip of the spear.

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Fuentes is a moderate in comparison to a very large portion of his followers. Further, he only represents a portion of the dissident sphere. He's the most well known but there are a number of others around too.

I'm an older millennial and it honestly shocks me how out of touch this place has become.

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What you see as out of touch in some cases is just shock at the volume of which some of that underground reality seems to have grown. Those groyper wars if that is the name for that heckling period (which do recall that) were just seen as White Nationalists baiting Charlie Kirk and being kind of like radical Leftists on campus trying to derail. All these subtexts were not seen. Kind of like the pink hats on the Left. But that is some time ago, and much has changed. Even that Fuentes character. He was extremely young then.

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A large part of the reason it has grown is because the normal conservative right has no answers for any of those questions or statistics. Reality is racist and it's undeniable.

Unlike the far left, virtually everything on the right is fact based, statistics based, and data based. The meme of a right wing person learning everything they can about a foreign culture and race so they can be more racist more effectively is a very real thing. A large part of the right can tell you where someone is from by their facial structure alone.

I could go on and on about this topic but it also doesn't help that whites have been told for decades that we are evil because we are white and every other race is allowed to organize along racial lines. Whites are in turn not allowed. Exactly what did you olds expect would happen with the youth? Especially once this tribalism began seriously affecting their quality of life? That they would continue believing in egalitarianism?

It's delusional thinking. Now they discount and ignore everything anyone over the age of 50 says and look at them with disdain because they feel that the older generations created this problem.

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I am a 50 year old conservative. What am I missing? What does the alt right know that I do not? Give me the highlights and let's see if I am not getting it or missed the boat.

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There's probably nothing the "far right" knows that you don't. It's a matter of saying it out loud. Or taking those beliefs to their logical conclusion.

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I could go on and on about this topic but it also doesn't help that whites have been told for decades that we are evil because we are white and every other race is allowed to organize along racial lines. Whites are in turn not allowed. Exactly what did you olds expect would happen with the youth? Especially once this tribalism began seriously affecting their quality of life? That they would continue believing in egalitarianism?

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Interesting post. Always been the enemy of the italics -- hated its ushering in as political correctness in the late 80's. And on that narrow point the Left has succeeded in smashing down the original objection, that now fine to organize along perceived tribal lines if needed. Do not believe in mutliculturalism any more. Still I would rather get rid of the pied pipers that make it necessary. I believe tribal can also be political and ideological.

You should not look down on those older than 50 unless they are just hurling canned talking points on you. Alot of GenX is aware of the crap sandwich the ruling class and press has passed down. And plenty consider a Marxist Maoist state the no-go no matter what instead. And for a while there, looked really headed that way.

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Unfortunately that ship has sailed and I think that's what a lot of older people struggle with now. The younger generation view race as your uniform. There is no closing Pandora's box now. Racial tribalism is here to stay.

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Why do we act like the modern state of Israel is in any way Semitic? The state was created by the Rothschilds in 1948 and its people are all of European descent.

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And there it is.

You people just can't help yourselves.

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Unfortunately that ship has sailed and I think that's what a lot of older people struggle with now. The younger generation view race as your uniform. There is no closing Pandora's box now. Racial tribalism is here to stay.

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How about a more benign form of it. Just go ahead and mostly, with some outlier exceptions, follow "birds of a feather flock together" as the late great Orphan used to say? So be tribal, just not so much that it gets third world crappy about it. Crush crime, never should have been given slack, perhaps with a secular version of a Saudi tone, and then let each `tribe' kind of do its thing. But don't make it an expectation, don't revert to that kind of non-acceptance.

And maybe first get some clearer answers on just what is going on. I believe the question of whether any of these over-top perps are ever Republican is not something the MSM would ever ask but needs to be looked at. It hints of disproof of any absolute tribal approach being really warranted and ignores the gains made.

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Stone Choir said:

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titan said:

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Stone Choir said:

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Serious Lee said:

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this thread is the epitome of the classical old coot thats starting to realize the world has passed him by.

fuentes is just the tip of the spear.

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Fuentes is a moderate in comparison to a very large portion of his followers. Further, he only represents a portion of the dissident sphere. He's the most well known but there are a number of others around too.

I'm an older millennial and it honestly shocks me how out of touch this place has become.

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What you see as out of touch in some cases is just shock at the volume of which some of that underground reality seems to have grown. Those groyper wars if that is the name for that heckling period (which do recall that) were just seen as White Nationalists baiting Charlie Kirk and being kind of like radical Leftists on campus trying to derail. All these subtexts were not seen. Kind of like the pink hats on the Left. But that is some time ago, and much has changed. Even that Fuentes character. He was extremely young then.

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A large part of the reason it has grown is because the normal conservative right has no answers for any of those questions or statistics. Reality is racist and it's undeniable.

Unlike the far left, virtually everything on the right is fact based, statistics based, and data based. The meme of a right wing person learning everything they can about a foreign culture and race so they can be more racist more effectively is a very real thing. A large part of the right can tell you where someone is from by their facial structure alone.

I could go on and on about this topic but it also doesn't help that whites have been told for decades that we are evil because we are white and every other race is allowed to organize along racial lines. Whites are in turn not allowed. Exactly what did you olds expect would happen with the youth? Especially once this tribalism began seriously affecting their quality of life? That they would continue believing in egalitarianism?

It's delusional thinking. Now they discount and ignore everything anyone over the age of 50 says and look at them with disdain because they feel that the older generations created this problem.

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I am a 50 year old conservative. What am I missing? What does the alt right know that I do not? Give me the highlights and let's see if I am not getting it or missed the boat.

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I'm in my 40s, so this isn't just a zoomer thing. Do you want me to post FBI crime statistics? Of course even these are skewed badly given how often someone is labeled as white when they clearly aren't?

Perhaps I should use the illegals crushing wages and the sheer volume of them? Maybe the H1-B scammers using their own nepotism to drive down white collar wages and reserve jobs only for themselves?

Should I give you a dissertation on behavioral genetics with links about identical twin studies or adoptive sibling studies?

Perhaps data on miscegenation causing all sorts of birth defects, allergies, mental disorders, and making organ donations almost impossible?

What all do you want? Each one of these ideas could be dozens of pages of material.

Stone Choir said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Stone Choir said:

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titan said:

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Stone Choir said:

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Serious Lee said:

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this thread is the epitome of the classical old coot thats starting to realize the world has passed him by.

fuentes is just the tip of the spear.

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Fuentes is a moderate in comparison to a very large portion of his followers. Further, he only represents a portion of the dissident sphere. He's the most well known but there are a number of others around too.

I'm an older millennial and it honestly shocks me how out of touch this place has become.

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What you see as out of touch in some cases is just shock at the volume of which some of that underground reality seems to have grown. Those groyper wars if that is the name for that heckling period (which do recall that) were just seen as White Nationalists baiting Charlie Kirk and being kind of like radical Leftists on campus trying to derail. All these subtexts were not seen. Kind of like the pink hats on the Left. But that is some time ago, and much has changed. Even that Fuentes character. He was extremely young then.

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A large part of the reason it has grown is because the normal conservative right has no answers for any of those questions or statistics. Reality is racist and it's undeniable.

Unlike the far left, virtually everything on the right is fact based, statistics based, and data based. The meme of a right wing person learning everything they can about a foreign culture and race so they can be more racist more effectively is a very real thing. A large part of the right can tell you where someone is from by their facial structure alone.

I could go on and on about this topic but it also doesn't help that whites have been told for decades that we are evil because we are white and every other race is allowed to organize along racial lines. Whites are in turn not allowed. Exactly what did you olds expect would happen with the youth? Especially once this tribalism began seriously affecting their quality of life? That they would continue believing in egalitarianism?

It's delusional thinking. Now they discount and ignore everything anyone over the age of 50 says and look at them with disdain because they feel that the older generations created this problem.

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I am a 50 year old conservative. What am I missing? What does the alt right know that I do not? Give me the highlights and let's see if I am not getting it or missed the boat.

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I'm in my 40s, so this isn't just a zoomer thing. Do you want me to post FBI crime statistics? Of course even these are skewed badly given how often someone is labeled as white when they clearly aren't?

Perhaps I should use the illegals crushing wages and the sheer volume of them? Maybe the H1-B scammers using their own nepotism to drive down white collar wages and reserve jobs only for themselves?

Should I give you a dissertation on behavioral genetics with links about identical twin studies or adoptive sibling studies?

Perhaps data on miscegenation causing all sorts of birth defects, allergies, mental disorders, and making organ donations almost impossible?

What all do you want? Each one of these ideas could be dozens of pages of material.

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I've seen Tom Fox post "never relax" on certain violent crime threads. I think he gets the gist of the race aspect.

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Stone Choir said:

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titan said:

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Stone Choir said:

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Serious Lee said:

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this thread is the epitome of the classical old coot thats starting to realize the world has passed him by.

fuentes is just the tip of the spear.

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Fuentes is a moderate in comparison to a very large portion of his followers. Further, he only represents a portion of the dissident sphere. He's the most well known but there are a number of others around too.

I'm an older millennial and it honestly shocks me how out of touch this place has become.

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What you see as out of touch in some cases is just shock at the volume of which some of that underground reality seems to have grown. Those groyper wars if that is the name for that heckling period (which do recall that) were just seen as White Nationalists baiting Charlie Kirk and being kind of like radical Leftists on campus trying to derail. All these subtexts were not seen. Kind of like the pink hats on the Left. But that is some time ago, and much has changed. Even that Fuentes character. He was extremely young then.

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A large part of the reason it has grown is because the normal conservative right has no answers for any of those questions or statistics. Reality is racist and it's undeniable.

Unlike the far left, virtually everything on the right is fact based, statistics based, and data based. The meme of a right wing person learning everything they can about a foreign culture and race so they can be more racist more effectively is a very real thing. A large part of the right can tell you where someone is from by their facial structure alone.

I could go on and on about this topic but it also doesn't help that whites have been told for decades that we are evil because we are white and every other race is allowed to organize along racial lines. Whites are in turn not allowed. Exactly what did you olds expect would happen with the youth? Especially once this tribalism began seriously affecting their quality of life? That they would continue believing in egalitarianism?

It's delusional thinking. Now they discount and ignore everything anyone over the age of 50 says and look at them with disdain because they feel that the older generations created this problem.

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I am a 50 year old conservative. What am I missing? What does the alt right know that I do not? Give me the highlights and let's see if I am not getting it or missed the boat.

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For starters, the alt-right doesn't really even exist anymore. Charlottesville destroyed it in 2017. Fuentes is the only guy still around from that era and he is basically mainstream by now in the social media world.

difficult to believe someone who views nick fuentes as moderate has a solid pulse on the state of conservatism

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Stone Choir said:

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titan said:

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Stone Choir said:

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Serious Lee said:

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this thread is the epitome of the classical old coot thats starting to realize the world has passed him by.

fuentes is just the tip of the spear.

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Fuentes is a moderate in comparison to a very large portion of his followers. Further, he only represents a portion of the dissident sphere. He's the most well known but there are a number of others around too.

I'm an older millennial and it honestly shocks me how out of touch this place has become.

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What you see as out of touch in some cases is just shock at the volume of which some of that underground reality seems to have grown. Those groyper wars if that is the name for that heckling period (which do recall that) were just seen as White Nationalists baiting Charlie Kirk and being kind of like radical Leftists on campus trying to derail. All these subtexts were not seen. Kind of like the pink hats on the Left. But that is some time ago, and much has changed. Even that Fuentes character. He was extremely young then.

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A large part of the reason it has grown is because the normal conservative right has no answers for any of those questions or statistics. Reality is racist and it's undeniable.

Unlike the far left, virtually everything on the right is fact based, statistics based, and data based. The meme of a right wing person learning everything they can about a foreign culture and race so they can be more racist more effectively is a very real thing. A large part of the right can tell you where someone is from by their facial structure alone.

I could go on and on about this topic but it also doesn't help that whites have been told for decades that we are evil because we are white and every other race is allowed to organize along racial lines. Whites are in turn not allowed. Exactly what did you olds expect would happen with the youth? Especially once this tribalism began seriously affecting their quality of life? That they would continue believing in egalitarianism?

It's delusional thinking. Now they discount and ignore everything anyone over the age of 50 says and look at them with disdain because they feel that the older generations created this problem.

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I am a 50 year old conservative. What am I missing? What does the alt right know that I do not? Give me the highlights and let's see if I am not getting it or missed the boat.

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I'm in my 40s, so this isn't just a zoomer thing. Do you want me to post FBI crime statistics? Of course even these are skewed badly given how often someone is labeled as white when they clearly aren't?

Perhaps I should use the illegals crushing wages and the sheer volume of them? Maybe the H1-B scammers using their own nepotism to drive down white collar wages and reserve jobs only for themselves?

Should I give you a dissertation on behavioral genetics with links about identical twin studies or adoptive sibling studies?

Perhaps data on miscegenation causing all sorts of birth defects, allergies, mental disorders, and making organ donations almost impossible?

What all do you want? Each one of these ideas could be dozens of pages of material.

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I've seen Tom Fox post "never relax" on certain violent crime threads. I think he gets the gist of the race aspect.

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That's why I responded the way I did to him. He's as close as anybody.

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I've seen Tom Fox post "never relax" on certain violent crime threads. I think he gets the gist of the race aspect.

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But have you considered, that controversial as may be, it is not a race aspect, but a political affiliation in installed worldview of entitlement one and also related to how the society treats crime and is organized?

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difficult to believe someone who views nick fuentes as moderate has a solid pulse on the state of conservatism

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Separate issues. I think we're all aware of the state of conservatism.

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I've seen Tom Fox post "never relax" on certain violent crime threads. I think he gets the gist of the race aspect.

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But have you considered, that controversial as may be, it is not a race aspect, but a political affiliation in installed worldview of entitlement one and also related to how the society treats crime and is organized?

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Saying its NOT race is not controversial at all. I have considered it yes.

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Stone Choir said:

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Serious Lee said:

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this thread is the epitome of the classical old coot thats starting to realize the world has passed him by.

fuentes is just the tip of the spear.

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Fuentes is a moderate in comparison to a very large portion of his followers. Further, he only represents a portion of the dissident sphere. He's the most well known but there are a number of others around too.

I'm an older millennial and it honestly shocks me how out of touch this place has become.

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What you see as out of touch in some cases is just shock at the volume of which some of that underground reality seems to have grown. Those groyper wars if that is the name for that heckling period (which do recall that) were just seen as White Nationalists baiting Charlie Kirk and being kind of like radical Leftists on campus trying to derail. All these subtexts were not seen. Kind of like the pink hats on the Left. But that is some time ago, and much has changed. Even that Fuentes character. He was extremely young then.

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A large part of the reason it has grown is because the normal conservative right has no answers for any of those questions or statistics. Reality is racist and it's undeniable.

Unlike the far left, virtually everything on the right is fact based, statistics based, and data based. The meme of a right wing person learning everything they can about a foreign culture and race so they can be more racist more effectively is a very real thing. A large part of the right can tell you where someone is from by their facial structure alone.

I could go on and on about this topic but it also doesn't help that whites have been told for decades that we are evil because we are white and every other race is allowed to organize along racial lines. Whites are in turn not allowed. Exactly what did you olds expect would happen with the youth? Especially once this tribalism began seriously affecting their quality of life? That they would continue believing in egalitarianism?

It's delusional thinking. Now they discount and ignore everything anyone over the age of 50 says and look at them with disdain because they feel that the older generations created this problem.

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I am a 50 year old conservative. What am I missing? What does the alt right know that I do not? Give me the highlights and let's see if I am not getting it or missed the boat.

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I'm in my 40s, so this isn't just a zoomer thing. Do you want me to post FBI crime statistics? Of course even these are skewed badly given how often someone is labeled as white when they clearly aren't?

Perhaps I should use the illegals crushing wages and the sheer volume of them? Maybe the H1-B scammers using their own nepotism to drive down white collar wages and reserve jobs only for themselves?

Should I give you a dissertation on behavioral genetics with links about identical twin studies or adoptive sibling studies?

Perhaps data on miscegenation causing all sorts of birth defects, allergies, mental disorders, and making organ donations almost impossible?

What all do you want? Each one of these ideas could be dozens of pages of material.

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I have spent my entire adult life working in the criminal justice system. I understand who is disproportionally committing crime and that it is due to a lack of impulse control that is genetic. I talk with my girls regularly about avoiding those populations.

I worked as an ICE Special Agent for 5 years so I have a pretty good handle on the dangers of illegal immigration and the consequences of not enforcing our national sovereignty. I would slow immigration to a trickle (only the truly exceptional getting admittance) and eliminate birthright citizenship.

I am unfamiliar with the bolded. I know what it means but am unaware of the science behind the list of problems associated with it. I'll give it a read.

If that is it, the "youngsters" do not really know anything that your elders do not. My generation was just conditioned not to talk about it openly or face professional consequences. I was not good at that and now work for myself and can say whatever I want. I call a spade a spade.

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I've seen Tom Fox post "never relax" on certain violent crime threads. I think he gets the gist of the race aspect.

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But have you considered, that controversial as may be, it is not a race aspect, but a political affiliation in installed worldview of entitlement one and also related to how the society treats crime and is organized?

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Saying its NOT race is not controversial at all. I have considered it yes.

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Your emoji shows you misunderstood. The controversial part is saying the overtop feral cases don't seem to be Republican blacks, ever. Does anyone look at this?

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I have spent my entire adult life working in the criminal justice system. I understand who is disproportionally committing crime and that it is due to a lack of impulse control that is genetic. I talk with my girls regularly about avoiding those populations.

I worked as an ICE Special Agent for 5 years so I have a pretty good handle on the dangers of illegal immigration and the consequences of not enforcing our national sovereignty. I would slow immigration to a trickle (only the truly exceptional getting admittance) and eliminate birthright citizenship.

I am unfamiliar with the bolded. I know what it means but am unaware of the science behind the list of problems associated with it. I'll give it a read.

If that is it, the "youngsters" do not really know anything that your elders do not. My generation was just conditioned not to talk about it openly or face professional consequences. I was not good at that and now work for myself and can say whatever I want. I call a spade a spade.

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Tom Fox,

That's first para is notable. So the lack of impulse control may be. This is what would like more honestly explored. For the moment lean to it is enabled, taught, rewarded.

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I've seen Tom Fox post "never relax" on certain violent crime threads. I think he gets the gist of the race aspect.

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But have you considered, that controversial as may be, it is not a race aspect, but a political affiliation in installed worldview of entitlement one and also related to how the society treats crime and is organized?

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Saying its NOT race is not controversial at all. I have considered it yes.

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Your emoji shows you misunderstood. The controversial part is saying the overtop feral cases don't seem to be Republican blacks, ever. Does anyone look at this?

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Come on bro. You literally said this on this very page: "You should not look down on those older than 50 unless they are just hurling canned talking points on you."

This is why the zoomers have disdain for the olds. Its also why the olds can never really understand where the zoomers are coming from.

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I've seen Tom Fox post "never relax" on certain violent crime threads. I think he gets the gist of the race aspect.

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But have you considered, that controversial as may be, it is not a race aspect, but a political affiliation in installed worldview of entitlement one and also related to how the society treats crime and is organized?

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Saying its NOT race is not controversial at all. I have considered it yes.

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Your emoji shows you misunderstood. The controversial part is saying the overtop feral cases don't seem to be Republican blacks, ever. Does anyone look at this?

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Come on bro. You literally said this on this very page: "You should not look down on those older than 50 unless they are just hurling canned talking points on you."

This is why the zoomers have disdain for the olds. Its also why the olds can never really understand where the zoomers are coming from.

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I did, And what I am saying you posted a laugh at the suggestion, but didn't realize what the suggestion was. It wasn't only that race may not be it, it is what wanted looked at --- is it ever? Why is it when seeing that scene in NC it comes into mind "zero chance is an R". Does that assumption have any basis.If yes, why.

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I've seen Tom Fox post "never relax" on certain violent crime threads. I think he gets the gist of the race aspect.

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But have you considered, that controversial as may be, it is not a race aspect, but a political affiliation in installed worldview of entitlement one and also related to how the society treats crime and is organized?

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Saying its NOT race is not controversial at all. I have considered it yes.

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Your emoji shows you misunderstood. The controversial part is saying the overtop feral cases don't seem to be Republican blacks, ever. Does anyone look at this?

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Come on bro. You literally said this on this very page: "You should not look down on those older than 50 unless they are just hurling canned talking points on you."

This is why the zoomers have disdain for the olds. Its also why the olds can never really understand where the zoomers are coming from.

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I did, And what I am saying you posted a laugh at the suggestion, but didn't realize what the suggestion was. It wasn't only that race may not be it, it is what wanted looked at --- is it ever? Why is it when seeing that scene in NC it comes into mind "zero chance is an R". Does that assumption have any basis.If yes, why.

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You are trying to say the black guy knifed that white woman because he is a democrat? Come on titan

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I've seen Tom Fox post "never relax" on certain violent crime threads. I think he gets the gist of the race aspect.

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But have you considered, that controversial as may be, it is not a race aspect, but a political affiliation in installed worldview of entitlement one and also related to how the society treats crime and is organized?

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Saying its NOT race is not controversial at all. I have considered it yes.

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Your emoji shows you misunderstood. The controversial part is saying the overtop feral cases don't seem to be Republican blacks, ever. Does anyone look at this?

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Come on bro. You literally said this on this very page: "You should not look down on those older than 50 unless they are just hurling canned talking points on you."

This is why the zoomers have disdain for the olds. Its also why the olds can never really understand where the zoomers are coming from.

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I did, And what I am saying you posted a laugh at the suggestion, but didn't realize what the suggestion was. It wasn't only that race may not be it, it is what wanted looked at --- is it ever? Why is it when seeing that scene in NC it comes into mind "zero chance is an R". Does that assumption have any basis.If yes, why.

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You are trying to say the black guy knifed that white woman because he is a democrat? Come on titan

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NO. I am saying none of these gratuitous over tops generally appear to be an R. That's suggestive.

There is nothing "canned talking points in this question" -- I daresay maybe haven't heard it that way.

If race is the factor, why does there appear to be an entire block that doesn't behave that way? I don't see anyone asking the question and its pretty pertinent in this abyss nearing.