President Pezeshkian’s current predicament in Iran reminds me of the dilemma faced by General Wojciech Jaruzelski in 1980s Poland: a leader who balanced genuine pressures for change against the unyielding demands of a hardline power structure that controls the regime’s core.… https://t.co/QSrI5e3nIs

— Mike (@Doranimated) January 12, 2026

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halfastros81 said:

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I have this question wrt to armed resources required to finish the Iranian regime . Why can't the Israeli's do
It without a US Carrier group being required?

To me it seems very obvious the current regime cannot be allowed to remain in power in Iran. Now's the time.

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The USA was literally just bombing Syria a few days ago.

there are USAF warplanes at Incirlik AFB in Turkey

there are USAF warplanes at Al Udeid AFB

there are USAF warplanes at Diego Garcia

we don't need an aircraft carrier.

they could even fly USAF aircraft from ALL OVER EUROPE and have them land in Israel or be refueled over Cyprus along with the RAF.

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Don't forget we can fly our B2s directly from the US. Though not sure the cost/risk is worth it depending on what we're taking out.

He is 100 percent NOT a reformer, he is trying desperately to portray otherwise to Trump to save his skin; this is the classic 'bide for time with talks and maintain power.' An interesting recent admission of the historical use of this duplicitous strategy, which famously worked for the North Vietnamese originally:

🇮🇷 IRAN ADMITS THE TALKS WERE FAKE AND ALWAYS WERE

Ali Khezrian, a sitting MP and former advisor to Iran’s ex–Supreme National Security Council chief, went on state TV and laid out the regime’s negotiating strategy without flinching:

“They threaten to leave negotiations. We… pic.twitter.com/oeRuVufrgc

— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) January 12, 2026

The American left/CIA/Carter put the Ayatollah's in power and would love to see a 'negotiated' status to leave them there with some sort of veneer of 'reform.'

Leftwing foreign policy establishment during Carter Administration undermined the Shah of Iran as part of overall subversive project that included the dismantling of Rhodesia, giving up the Panama Canal, and granting Most Favored Nation trade status to China.

BBC exposed…

— Dr. Ben Braddock (@GraduatedBen) January 12, 2026

V8Aggie said:

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LMCane said:

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halfastros81 said:

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I have this question wrt to armed resources required to finish the Iranian regime . Why can't the Israeli's do
It without a US Carrier group being required?

To me it seems very obvious the current regime cannot be allowed to remain in power in Iran. Now's the time.

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The USA was literally just bombing Syria a few days ago.

there are USAF warplanes at Incirlik AFB in Turkey

there are USAF warplanes at Al Udeid AFB

there are USAF warplanes at Diego Garcia

we don't need an aircraft carrier.

they could even fly USAF aircraft from ALL OVER EUROPE and have them land in Israel or be refueled over Cyprus along with the RAF.

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Don't forget we can fly our B2s directly from the US. Though not sure the cost/risk is worth it depending on what we're taking out.

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We don't need to destroy nuke centrifuges hardened in bunkers, buried deep in mountains now, but IRGC/Basij facilities that are akin to our national guard motor pools; cruise missiles would work just fine. B-2's are fun, but would be a needless risk of life/cost at this point.

Good info. Thanks.

Question still remains tho, why can't the Israeli's do it? Is that a perception issue or what ? Wouldn't look good for a Jewish state to take out a radical Muslim theocracy? Everyone except Khameini's regime benefits from it but no one benefits more than Israel except maybe the vast majority of Iran's population.

nortex97 said:

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V8Aggie said:

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LMCane said:

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halfastros81 said:

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I have this question wrt to armed resources required to finish the Iranian regime . Why can't the Israeli's do
It without a US Carrier group being required?

To me it seems very obvious the current regime cannot be allowed to remain in power in Iran. Now's the time.

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The USA was literally just bombing Syria a few days ago.

there are USAF warplanes at Incirlik AFB in Turkey

there are USAF warplanes at Al Udeid AFB

there are USAF warplanes at Diego Garcia

we don't need an aircraft carrier.

they could even fly USAF aircraft from ALL OVER EUROPE and have them land in Israel or be refueled over Cyprus along with the RAF.

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Don't forget we can fly our B2s directly from the US. Though not sure the cost/risk is worth it depending on what we're taking out.

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We don't need to destroy nuke centrifuges hardened in bunkers, buried deep in mountains now, but IRGC/Basij facilities that are akin to our national guard motor pools; cruise missiles would work just fine. B-2's are fun, but would be a needless risk of life/cost at this point.

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1. What do you want to target?
2. Where are the tankers coming from?

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well that is not accurate.

In June 2025, Iran fired over 500 ballistic missiles at Israel as part of a 12-day direct conflict.

Total Projectiles: Iran launched a combined total of roughly 1,000 projectiles, including both ballistic missiles and drones.

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They launched a bunch of slow moving drones and long-range ballistic missiles which are easily tracked. Israel is actually pretty far away from Iran. Even then, it took the combined Israeli military and extensive ship-based United States Navy assets to shoot down most of them. Some still got through.

The US has several military installations within a much shorter range and would be in the umbrella of Iran's extensive short-range ballistic missile systems. Iran has several thousand short-range missiles. Most of those were never used in the summer conflict. The risk is Iran launching mass saturation attacks with their short range missiles to take out multiple US bases in the region. We don't have the same Navy assets in the region as we did over the summer. Our ability to counter such a large amount of missiles would be limited.

You'd want to target Khameini himself and his minions and whatever military assets they still control … correct? Seems like getting intelligence on where they are would come from inside Iran and I suspect there are already spies on the ground and on the payroll that have or can get that info.

I'm personally disappointed they let the regime's financial assets like gold already depart the country . That could have helped fund rebuilding the country .

halfastros81 said:

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You'd want to target Khameini himself and his minions and whatever military assets they still control … correct? Seems like getting intelligence on where they are would come from inside Iran and I suspect there are already spies on the ground and on the payroll that have or can get that info.

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Before you do that, we're gonna want to roll back any IADS threat, make sure any air threats are gone first. That requires a strong SEAD campaign…while it shouldn't be hard still need to do it.

Before you do that, you need to get your C2 Platforms, tankers, and SEAD platforms in place.

Before you do that, you need to airlift all the assets there.

Before you do that, you need to prepare all your stuff to go.


So…short answer…from go…10-14 days to get stuff postured before you can execute.

Do the Israeli's have the assets needed to do it and could they do it sooner?

If nothing else they could get started on eliminating air threats.

If you wait 10-14 days and they can see you prepping the regime will already be long gone to Moscow if they aren't already.

Could. Wont begin to speculate what the Israelis have or dont have.

Big piece here is this:

What do you want to achieve and how do you know when you will achieve it?

There's a recipe for this (see Libya)...but it takes time to build and will the protestors be able to hold out...and will we get the outcome we want?

K2-HMFIC said:

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nortex97 said:

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V8Aggie said:

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LMCane said:

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halfastros81 said:

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I have this question wrt to armed resources required to finish the Iranian regime . Why can't the Israeli's do
It without a US Carrier group being required?

To me it seems very obvious the current regime cannot be allowed to remain in power in Iran. Now's the time.

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The USA was literally just bombing Syria a few days ago.

there are USAF warplanes at Incirlik AFB in Turkey

there are USAF warplanes at Al Udeid AFB

there are USAF warplanes at Diego Garcia

we don't need an aircraft carrier.

they could even fly USAF aircraft from ALL OVER EUROPE and have them land in Israel or be refueled over Cyprus along with the RAF.

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Don't forget we can fly our B2s directly from the US. Though not sure the cost/risk is worth it depending on what we're taking out.

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We don't need to destroy nuke centrifuges hardened in bunkers, buried deep in mountains now, but IRGC/Basij facilities that are akin to our national guard motor pools; cruise missiles would work just fine. B-2's are fun, but would be a needless risk of life/cost at this point.

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1. What do you want to target?
2. Where are the tankers coming from?

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They have some sites that are 'attractive' targets:

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IRGC Headquarters
Central command units managing security incidents, such as the Tharallah Base in Tehran.

Basij Facilities:

• Locations used for training and organizing paramilitary activities.
• Military Complexes
• Sites like the Parchin Military Complex, involved in developing munitions.
• Intelligence Command Centers
• Facilities overseeing national security and intelligence operations.

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Much of that stuff is comprised of glorified office buildings. Cruise missiles can be launched from B-52's, B-1's, subs, or destroyers etc. My theory is just that we could wipe out a lot of the 'thugocracy' infrastructure in about an hour or so any given night. We have tankers all over the place, including Diego Garcia and Al Udeid.

A lot of their leadership lives in one corner (NW I think?) on the periphery of Tehran, too (think about the 'military' neighborhood in Abbottabad where Bin Laden lived), and many positions are filled by folks who have been on the job for less than a year. Tough to really 'blast' it as there would be family/women/children there too, but a point could be made for sure. A decapitating strike might not be politically acceptable but a scare could work.

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Have the Israelis do it. They have assets in the area. They owe us a favor

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Over the decades, Israel has become the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign aid, with total assistance (including both military and economic aid) reaching approximately $150 billion in non-inflation-adjusted terms by February 2022. Military aid has been the primary component, supporting Israel's defense capabilities and strategic cooperation with the U.S.

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That was from 2022, so add another 15 billion to the pot. Since 1959 250 billion dollars in aid.

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Now please explain how much it cost the Israelis to suffer 500 ballistic missile hits from Iran when they attacked their nuclear program last June.

Please tell all of us how much the Egyptians have helped the USA in the last 50 years since they began getting paid billions every year after the Camp David Accords.

how much has Kuwait helped the USA in the past thirty years since the USA SENT AN ENTIRE ARMY TO LIBERATE THEM FROM SADDAM?!!?

how much has Germany helped the USA in the 80 years since the Marshall Plan?

halfastros81 said:

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Good info. Thanks.

Question still remains tho, why can't the Israeli's do it? Is that a perception issue or what ? Wouldn't look good for a Jewish state to take out a radical Muslim theocracy? Everyone except Khameini's regime benefits from it but no one benefits more than Israel except maybe the vast majority of Iran's population.

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I believe the IAF and the Israelis want to take out the Iranian leadership

my guess is currently they have been told to stand down and prepare by the Trump Administration.

hopefully just until all the ducks are in order for CSAR (combat search and rescue) if pilots have to bail out over Iran.

was seeing over the weekend that Khameini was moved to a bunker in eastern Iran.

I am sure the NSA/NGA and the Mossad have a good idea where all these leaders are hiding out now.

100% the Israelis took out the senior IRGC Ballistic Missile commander on saturday.

he was hit by a suicide drone in his car.

no way a civilian in the crowd can do that- only Mossad and CIA would have the technology and the ability. and no way CIA is chasing around an individual terrorist.

my guess is CIA really doesn't even have human agents in the crowds- maybe a few but you need to have real Iranian born agents who speak with fluent dialect.

Regime appears to be ratcheting up the attacks on protesters.....the longer there is no penalty for that as Trump promised, the more emboldened the regime will be to heavily crack down and try to crush the uprising.

I understand the hurry up and get it done crowd, but I am absolutely not in favor of doing anything until Plans A,B,C, & D have been prepared for.

Yes. We can send the AF in and bomb everything back to the stone age, but that doesn't mean we are prepared if something goes wrong. The last thing we need is a couple of pilots to be shot down and we have hostage crisis on our hands, or if Iran launches 500 rockets towards our closest bases.

This is one of the very few times I say let the CIA play. Let them and Moassad create the chaos until we have all of our ducks in a row to finish the job.

Keep in mind that foreign intervention is a great way to rally support for the existing regime. Especially if it's us or Israel. The Great Satan has proven a great uniter for the mullahs for decades.

All that money Barky gave the mullahs. The can export terror with it but can't keep the water on.

nortex97 said:

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The American left/CIA/Carter put the Ayatollah's in power and would love to see a 'negotiated' status to leave them there with some sort of veneer of 'reform.'

Leftwing foreign policy establishment during Carter Administration undermined the Shah of Iran as part of overall subversive project that included the dismantling of Rhodesia, giving up the Panama Canal, and granting Most Favored Nation trade status to China.

BBC exposed…

— Dr. Ben Braddock (@GraduatedBen) January 12, 2026

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Man, the Carter administration was such an epic failure. In case you didn't dislike him enough, this just takes the cake. The decision to tacitly take the Shah out and to give back the canal are two of the most ill-conceived foreign policy decisions of the last 50 years. It has let to tens of thousands of deaths plus put out the welcome mat to radical Islam in the middle East and has weakened the U.S. in this hemisphere which opened the door to the communists to our south.

Biden was terrible, but Carter was right there with him. The only good thing about their administrations is that they both only lasted one term.

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I understand the hurry up and get it done crowd, but I am absolutely not in favor of doing anything until Plans A,B,C, & D have been prepared for.

Yes. We can send the AF in and bomb everything back to the stone age, but that doesn't mean we are prepared if something goes wrong. The last thing we need is a couple of pilots to be shot down and we have hostage crisis on our hands, or if Iran launches 500 rockets towards our closest bases.

This is one of the very few times I say let the CIA play. Let them and Moassad create the chaos until we have all of our ducks in a row to finish the job.

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Yep, it will take outside involvement but not overt involvement. BTW, that is how the Ayatollah took power as well. He had backing from the Soviets and a variety of others and managed to build a groundswell. Most of all Carter was a complete idiot who saw the Ayatollah as being a positive change from the Shah who wasn't afraid to use SAVAK to keep power (because that is what is required in Iran). Of course once the Ayatollah had power he did far worse and with Soviet support there was no stopping them. People forget that the Soviet Union at the time included Azerbaijain so they had a direct path to Iran and they used the Mujahideen to accomplish their ends. The Mujahideen was essentially a Soviet backed splinter group of terrorists that combined Islam and Marxism (I know, that makes no sense to have a communist group that is also a religious fundamentalist group but that's who they essentially were).

We just need to keep up the pressure and support where we can. I will say that we seem to have American Iranians and others around the globe finally getting involved to a greater extent. Still don't know how this all ends but I'm hopeful, the key is if someone throws the Mullahs a lifeline or the pressure backs off.

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nortex97 said:

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The American left/CIA/Carter put the Ayatollah's in power and would love to see a 'negotiated' status to leave them there with some sort of veneer of 'reform.'

Leftwing foreign policy establishment during Carter Administration undermined the Shah of Iran as part of overall subversive project that included the dismantling of Rhodesia, giving up the Panama Canal, and granting Most Favored Nation trade status to China.

BBC exposed…

— Dr. Ben Braddock (@GraduatedBen) January 12, 2026

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Man, the Carter administration was such an epic failure. In case you didn't dislike him enough, this just takes the cake. The decision to tacitly take the Shah out and to give back the canal are two of the most ill-conceived foreign policy decisions of the last 50 years. It has let to tens of thousands of deaths plus put out the welcome mat to radical Islam in the middle East and has weakened the U.S. in this hemisphere which opened the door to the communists to our south.

Biden was terrible, but Carter was right there with him. The only good thing about their administrations is that they both only lasted one term.

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literally makes me want to vomit. Especially considering that at the time we were still delivering on the F14 Tomcat program and training Iranian pilots. Biggest arms deal, at that time, in history.

Democrats are the single biggest threat our country has ever seen.

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This is one of the very few times I say let the CIA play. Let them and Moassad create the chaos until we have all of our ducks in a row to finish the job.

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The Iranian podcaster I have been watching (based in the UK but has sources in Iran) has reported that the Mossad has gotten word to the Iranian protesters that not only are they "behind" them but also "beside" them.

Mossad at least is on the ground.

For those who have not watched, I have found "Tehran" on Apple TV to be both entertaining and informative regarding the current events.

I have not read up on how to true to reality it is, but going on Season 3 seems folks at least like the stories.

It focuses on Mossad agents inserted into Iran, Iranian assets manager by Mossad in Iran, and how they battle with the Iranians and the IRGC over military actions, sabotage, hacking, etc.

At the end of the day, I would hope that Iran returns to the pre revolution days as it is a place of immense history and cradle of civilization. So much potential thwarted by radical mullahs and their slaves.

Ag87H2O said:

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Biden was terrible, but Carter was right there with him. The only good thing about their administrations is that they both only lasted one term.

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Biden was terrible AND evil. Carter was just terrible (heart was in the right place). There's a difference.

halfastros81 said:

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Do the Israeli's have the assets needed to do it and could they do it sooner?

If nothing else they could get started on eliminating air threats.

If you wait 10-14 days and they can see you prepping the regime will already be long gone to Moscow if they aren't already.

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Absolutely the answer is yes.

and how do I know?

because the Israeli Air Force ACTUALLY SUPPRESSED ALL THE IRANIAN AIR DEFENSES in June 2025.

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Ag87H2O said:

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Biden was terrible, but Carter was right there with him. The only good thing about their administrations is that they both only lasted one term.

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Biden was terrible AND evil. Carter was just terrible (heart was in the right place). There's a difference.

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They were about to get F-16's too. Carter was absolutely evil, as were the dirt bags he hired like Andy Young.

He embraced every murderer he ever met, and never apologized for any of his warm embraces/support for dictators from Castro, Mugabe, Kim Jong Il, Arafat, Chavez and Khomeini alike, merely hiding behind his Sunday school teacher imagery.

The worst American President by far, Obama-Biden don't even come close.

Carter was a communist / marxist sympathizer and a full blown socialist.

He was ahead of his time but should have foreshadowed the Momdanis, AOCs and Bernie Bros who now run the party.

Agree to disagree. Carter and his Administration were incompetent and inept.

Biden power hungry and evil and out to enrich himself and his favored family members.

Urban Ag said:

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Ag87H2O said:

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nortex97 said:

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The American left/CIA/Carter put the Ayatollah's in power and would love to see a 'negotiated' status to leave them there with some sort of veneer of 'reform.'

Leftwing foreign policy establishment during Carter Administration undermined the Shah of Iran as part of overall subversive project that included the dismantling of Rhodesia, giving up the Panama Canal, and granting Most Favored Nation trade status to China.

BBC exposed…

— Dr. Ben Braddock (@GraduatedBen) January 12, 2026

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Man, the Carter administration was such an epic failure. In case you didn't dislike him enough, this just takes the cake. The decision to tacitly take the Shah out and to give back the canal are two of the most ill-conceived foreign policy decisions of the last 50 years. It has let to tens of thousands of deaths plus put out the welcome mat to radical Islam in the middle East and has weakened the U.S. in this hemisphere which opened the door to the communists to our south.

Biden was terrible, but Carter was right there with him. The only good thing about their administrations is that they both only lasted one term.

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literally makes me want to vomit. Especially considering that at the time we were still delivering on the F14 Tomcat program and training Iranian pilots. Biggest arms deal, at that time, in history.

Democrats are the single biggest threat our country has ever seen.

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No, that was Abe Lincoln. Americans have short memories and that is how politicians take advantage of us.

These LCS have enough missiles to wipe out the Mullah regime in just one strike!

8 Naval Strike Missiles with pads for launching Tomahawks

The current US Navy fleet in the Persian Gulf per @USNINews includes Independence-class Littoral Combat Ships USS Canberra, USS Tulsa & USS Santa Barbara as mine countermeasure mission package as well as Arleigh-Burke class guided-missile destroyers USS Mitscher & USS McFaul . pic.twitter.com/2RFIhdlWhK

— Mehdi H. (@mhmiranusa) January 12, 2026

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These LCS have enough missiles to wipe out the Mullah regime in just one strike!

8 Naval Strike Missiles with pads for launching Tomahawks

The current US Navy fleet in the Persian Gulf per @USNINews includes Independence-class Littoral Combat Ships USS Canberra, USS Tulsa & USS Santa Barbara as mine countermeasure mission package as well as Arleigh-Burke class guided-missile destroyers USS Mitscher & USS McFaul . pic.twitter.com/2RFIhdlWhK

— Mehdi H. (@mhmiranusa) January 12, 2026

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Things of beauty right there.

flown-the-coop said:

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For those who have not watched, I have found "Tehran" on Apple TV to be both entertaining and informative regarding the current events.

I have not read up on how to true to reality it is, but going on Season 3 seems folks at least like the stories.

It focuses on Mossad agents inserted into Iran, Iranian assets manager by Mossad in Iran, and how they battle with the Iranians and the IRGC over military actions, sabotage, hacking, etc.

At the end of the day, I would hope that Iran returns to the pre revolution days as it is a place of immense history and cradle of civilization. So much potential thwarted by radical mullahs and their slaves.

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Sounds like a great show. I'll have to give it a watch.

*US WEIGHING IRAN'S OFFER FOR DIPLOMACY: WSJ

*VANCE URGING TRUMP TO TRY DIPLOMACY WITH IRAN: WSJ

WSJ CITES US OFFICIALS ON WHITE HOUSE'S IRAN THINKING

— *Walter Bloomberg (@DeItaone) January 12, 2026