Good Luck today Virginia!

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The best solution would be an open source algorithm that had very simple guidelines.

Divide up districts:

* evenly within a +/- 5% variance
* as compact as possible
* continuous
* using major geographical markers…main roads, city limits, county boundaries

The end.

Open source algorithms should be open for public scrutiny and if the author(s) are proved to have violated the guidelines, they face significant fines and criminal charges.

We would end up with better representation and more competitive districts.
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Jarrin Jay said:

The congressional district maps everywhere are total BS, they look like a spilled plate of spaghetti noodles. It should not be that way, it should include whole counties, and nothing else. Not specially and specifically drawn districts to ensure voting outcomes, R or D.


Republicans don't want to end partisan gerrymandering. Democrats don't want to end partisan gerrymandering.
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The sides are slowly coalescing.

Just sayin'
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samurai_science said:

Florida about the do a remap to counter D's in Virginia.




Good
He's right
The USA is Red
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Ron DeSantis is a great leader.

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5Amp said:

Ron DeSantis is a great leader.



You got that right
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2040huck said:

fafo The Republicans started and approved this kind of stuff


Strange. Someone is getting the FAFO treatment. And it looks like you and your fellow Marxist groupies are getting it from a Virginia judge and Florida.

You've been pulling these stunts since the Clinton years. Now you cry about Trump when he urges Republicans to respond in kind.

Hope you enjoy the consequences, especially as you can no longer import barbarian gutter trash into the country to game the census count.
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t_J_e_C_x said:

Jarrin Jay said:

The congressional district maps everywhere are total BS, they look like a spilled plate of spaghetti noodles. It should not be that way, it should include whole counties, and nothing else. Not specially and specifically drawn districts to ensure voting outcomes, R or D.


Republicans don't want to end partisan gerrymandering. Democrats don't want to end partisan gerrymandering.


Prisoner's Dilemma. Human behavior. At this point, neither side trusts the other one to not do it, so they both now do it to offset the other.
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I keep seeing this. Is Florida actually planning to do this or is this just the internet speculating they are going to do it?
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What the hell is up with Arizona and New Mexico.

You wouldn't think they'd be largely blue areas.
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Indian reservations
Of course land doesn't vote people vote and almost nobody lives outside of the cities in those 2 states
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annie88 said:

What the hell is up with Arizona and New Mexico.

You wouldn't think they'd be largely blue areas.

Rural vs. Urban.

In New Mexico, the state is run by Santa Fe, Albuquerque, Los Alamos, Las Cruses and the Indian reservations. The rural, conservative areas just don't have the population to overcome the urban areas and reservations.

Same for Arizona, but to a lesser degree. Also, both states have some giant counties., mostly due to the reservations, or extremely low populations.

And look at California, Nevada, Washington, Oregon, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Maine, and of course Virginia itself. In terms of land mass, most of them vote Republican, but the population centers lean way, way left and they control the states.
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annie88 said:

Hmmm. If true, very sus.



Where have we seen this cope before?
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Poking around online DeSantis called for the special session in January & redistricting and a couple of other items were the reason for the special session

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Malibu said:

Why is that suspect? Yes went up by 65762 votes and no went up by 29898. If a large urban precinct reported, Seems like that would be expected and lopsided the other way if it was from a rural area. Unless I'm dumb and missing something obvious


You said it; we didn't.
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All about 2030. Democrats know they will face the consequences of their economic approach if the Census count is fairly conducted. They need the bureaucrats to fudge the numbers. They need open borders to make up the population losses. They need to max out on seats in a gerrymander because it is the only chance they have to regain power and turn this nation into their Marxist/Maoist ideal.
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Old Gorm said:

All about 2030. Democrats know they will face the consequences of their economic approach if the Census count is fairly conducted. They need the bureaucrats to fudge the numbers. They need open borders to make up the population losses. They need to max out on seats in a gerrymander because it is the only chance they have to regain power and turn this nation into their Marxist/Maoist ideal.


It's reminiscent of last year when Texas decided (told by Trump) that it needed to add 5 seats long before they were set to.

And thanks to that precedent...
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Texas has had representation stolen from us. What Virginia did is nothing like what Texas did.
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Regardless of how this lawsuit plays out, red states need to put pedal to the metal and change their maps. The Dems have crossed the Rubicon.
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Logos Stick said:

Regardless of how this lawsuit plays out, red states need to put pedal to the metal and change their maps. The Dems have crossed the Rubicon.

Virginia will get their 10-1 map. It will be up to the VA SC to make the decision and last year I think they got a liberal majority on the VA SC, so you can bank on the 10-1 map being approved by the VA SC.

Also, the VA SC can EASILY just punt the whole case by using the SCOTUS 2019 ruling in Rucho v. Common Cause. And leave it up to the legislature and the people.

I am kind of meh on this, as it seems that Republicans will *probably* end up winning the redistricting race. In the current redistricting "arms race" Democrats have picked up 10(CA, UT, VA) and Republicans currently have picked up 9(TX, MO, NC, OH) with 2-5 more on tap with FL.

Also, with VRA Section 2 looking like it will be ruled unconstitutional, Republicans will be able to pick up many more seats than Democrats with that ruling.

Then you have the 2030 Census coming up shortly which should net Republicans even more seats.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

Texas has had representation stolen from us. What Virginia did is nothing like what Texas did.


Maybe, but had what happened in Texas not happened, especially the way it did, who knows if what's happened in every dem state since would've happened at all.
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Logos Stick said:

Regardless of how this lawsuit plays out, red states need to put pedal to the metal and change their maps. The Dems have crossed the Rubicon.


Pretty sure Texas started that so let's be fair and say Republicans crossed the Rubicon
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t_J_e_C_x said:

Logos Stick said:

Regardless of how this lawsuit plays out, red states need to put pedal to the metal and change their maps. The Dems have crossed the Rubicon.


Pretty sure Texas started that so let's be fair and say Republicans crossed the Rubicon


No, it didn't and this has been debunked multiple times now in this thread. Texas was not a precedent.

Texas was a reaction to many other examples of the Democrats having already stacked the deck in their favor across multiple states along with blue state plans to usurp the electoral college (but only when in their favor - see how they reacted to Trump winning popular vote last time out), and corrupting the census count in 2020 when they stole votes from red states and gave them to blue states.

Please quit lying.
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t_J_e_C_x said:

Logos Stick said:

Regardless of how this lawsuit plays out, red states need to put pedal to the metal and change their maps. The Dems have crossed the Rubicon.


Pretty sure Texas started that so let's be fair and say Republicans crossed the Rubicon

Claiming 'Texas started it' requires one to suspend disbelief at blue states in the first half of this decade.
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"Texas started it" premise is incorrect (plus CA already answered). NY Dems went before TX (see below), to say nothing of the wild existing Dem gerrymanders in places like IL & MD. And to say nothing of admitted 2020 Census miscounts robbing red states of 6-10 seats.


To say nothing of the VRA racial gerrymanders the left has forced on red states in the South for decades now.

Add: the 2020 census was a scam.
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Add: the 2020 census was a scam.

And certain states knew that and took quick advantage of it. (Looking at you California.)
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t_J_e_C_x said:

Logos Stick said:

Regardless of how this lawsuit plays out, red states need to put pedal to the metal and change their maps. The Dems have crossed the Rubicon.


Pretty sure Texas started that so let's be fair and say Republicans crossed the Rubicon


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I love how the leftists here keep repeating the "Texas started it" trope fed to them by their BS media sources, despite it being repeatedly debunked here. Notice how they're not offering any rebuttal to that? Because they can't.

You're puppets. Useful idiots.
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Jack Boyette said:

I love how the leftists here keep repeating the "Texas started it" trope fed to them by their BS media sources, despite it being repeatedly debunked here. Notice how they're not offering any rebuttal to that? Because they can't.

When they reach for the "Well, this board [insert criticism here]...." card, you know they have nothing of substance to argue the point and just want to deflect. It's like clockwork.
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will25u said:

Logos Stick said:

Regardless of how this lawsuit plays out, red states need to put pedal to the metal and change their maps. The Dems have crossed the Rubicon.

Virginia will get their 10-1 map. It will be up to the VA SC to make the decision and last year I think they got a liberal majority on the VA SC, so you can bank on the 10-1 map being approved by the VA SC.

Also, the VA SC can EASILY just punt the whole case by using the SCOTUS 2019 ruling in Rucho v. Common Cause. And leave it up to the legislature and the people.

I am kind of meh on this, as it seems that Republicans will *probably* end up winning the redistricting race. In the current redistricting "arms race" Democrats have picked up 10(CA, UT, VA) and Republicans currently have picked up 9(TX, MO, NC, OH) with 2-5 more on tap with FL.

Also, with VRA Section 2 looking like it will be ruled unconstitutional, Republicans will be able to pick up many more seats than Democrats with that ruling.

Then you have the 2030 Census coming up shortly which should net Republicans even more seats.



Only if an R is sitting in the WH
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No Spin Ag said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

Texas has had representation stolen from us. What Virginia did is nothing like what Texas did.


Maybe, but had what happened in Texas not happened, especially the way it did, who knows if what's happened in every dem state since would've happened at all.

So it's OK that actual Americans are denied representation? Texas should just take it, like we have had to feed, educate, and provide healthcare for illegals?
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t_J_e_C_x said:

Logos Stick said:

Regardless of how this lawsuit plays out, red states need to put pedal to the metal and change their maps. The Dems have crossed the Rubicon.

Pretty sure Texas started that so let's be fair and say Republicans crossed the Rubicon

Remove your Recency Bias and you'll see this is a false statement.
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Gigem314 said:

Jack Boyette said:

I love how the leftists here keep repeating the "Texas started it" trope fed to them by their BS media sources, despite it being repeatedly debunked here. Notice how they're not offering any rebuttal to that? Because they can't.

When they reach for the "Well, this board [insert criticism here]...." card, you know they have nothing of substance to argue the point and just want to deflect. It's like clockwork.

MuSt pRotEct ThE EcHo chAmBer
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swc93 said:

Gigem314 said:

Jack Boyette said:

I love how the leftists here keep repeating the "Texas started it" trope fed to them by their BS media sources, despite it being repeatedly debunked here. Notice how they're not offering any rebuttal to that? Because they can't.

When they reach for the "Well, this board [insert criticism here]...." card, you know they have nothing of substance to argue the point and just want to deflect. It's like clockwork.

MuSt pRotEct ThE EcHo chAmBer


Proves the point. Like clockwork as previously stated. lol.
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swc93 said:

Gigem314 said:

Jack Boyette said:

I love how the leftists here keep repeating the "Texas started it" trope fed to them by their BS media sources, despite it being repeatedly debunked here. Notice how they're not offering any rebuttal to that? Because they can't.

When they reach for the "Well, this board [insert criticism here]...." card, you know they have nothing of substance to argue the point and just want to deflect. It's like clockwork.

MuSt pRotEct ThE EcHo chAmBer



and another lib repeats the trope.....
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swc93 said:

Gigem314 said:

Jack Boyette said:

I love how the leftists here keep repeating the "Texas started it" trope fed to them by their BS media sources, despite it being repeatedly debunked here. Notice how they're not offering any rebuttal to that? Because they can't.

When they reach for the "Well, this board [insert criticism here]...." card, you know they have nothing of substance to argue the point and just want to deflect. It's like clockwork.

MuSt pRotEct ThE EcHo chAmBer

 
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