Hey!! Don't you put my opinion anywhere near Taco! TJ Watt was a freak who won big 10 defensive player of the year in 1 year playing defense. He was a screaming take.

I'd sooner agree with selecting Bain.

I'm not saying draft the next edge on your board. I'd just go a different direction. If all are gone and it's him, McCoy, or Fano, I'm probably going McCoy and then Fano,

Hey Woods... here's a question since you are a 'don't trade' guy.

What player or what idea do you have for pick #20 that makes you skeptical of moving that pick to Cleveland for their 6 & 39?

TyHolden said:

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just posting to get this thread to 667. 666 on 420 could be really bad. i hope nothing happened over the last 4 hours.

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Well played

jr15aggie said:

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Hey Woods... here's a question since you are a 'don't trade' guy.

What player or what idea do you have for pick #20 that makes you skeptical of moving that pick to Cleveland for their 6 & 39?

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I wouldn't mind trading back there depending what we get with our 12 pick.

There's no scenario that we don't walk away with an instant starter at 12. And a good one. Even if it's a tackle.

So if McCoy falls due to a degenerative knee concerns and he's at 20 assuming we drafted Fano or Downs. I'd draft him there. If by chance we got Delane (which would
be my choice pick at 12) and we can't trade back, I'd like Faulk. Zion Young or maybe TJ Parker. If we can trade back there are still a couple edge rushers like Jaca, but I'd prefer to go with Allen or Rodriguez. I'm partial to Rodriguez but I'd want to feel comfortable that he can fix his tackling consistency.. I'd still take that chance though.

I love a good MLB so much that I wouldn't complain about picking one at 20 tbh.. my fear with trading back to 39
Is that they are both gone as well as Jacas. And even at 6 - there's no guarantee that Downs is going to be the type of difference maker that would warrant trading up. It's REALLY hard for a S to be that impactful. Look at Brian Branch - I was high on him and he went in the 2nd. I thought DeJean was a stud as a potential S/NB hybrid went in the 2nd. Derwin James and Hamilton were mid to late teens. Hamilton did not have a good rookie season. It took him time. Derwin was a stud - just injured too much to see his impact for years


Downs isn't the athlete any of those guys are. I'd take them at 12, I don't want to give up 19 spots for him at 6.

Broadus listed a handful of names he keeps hearing a lot... Likely targets with pick 20 (he doesn't see us trading other than maybe moving down a little).

The 2 edges he mentioned were Faulk and Malachi Lawrence. Lawrence is an exciting prospect who I've sorta felt like all the mock drafts have way too low. He doesn't think they are interested in Mesidore.

He mentioned a couple CBs, Hood and Cisse. Didn't mention Terrell who seems to have fallen.

I don't believe he mentioned any LB, which isn't terribly surprising if we are staying at 20... they probably value other guys at more premium positions if we stay there.

I like Faulk. Good kid played against SEC teams and can move inside.

Agristotle said:

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I like Faulk. Good kid played against SEC teams and can move inside.

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Y'all need to get ready because his name has been mentioned A LOT in Dallas draft talks. We've seen it in the past with guys like LVE... eventually the talk becomes the pick.

I'm just praying and hoping that we are interested in him at 20 or later in a trade down. If we sit and pick him at #12 I'm going to throw up in my mouth. I might disown the team all together if somebody like Downs is on the board and we still take Faulk. Will legit ruin my draft night!


But as a disclaimer, I think the most pissed I've been at a modern draft was when we drafted Tyler Smith... so I've been wrong before!

funny, I was the same way. Not because of taking an OL, but taking him. I thought his tape was bad and it was a massive overreach. I was very wrong.

Some quick hitter info since most of my posts are TLDR... I'm starting to hear the same things repeated today:

Cowboys are interested In:
Delane
Downs
Styles
Faulk (not sure if at 12 or 20).

Cowboys are NOT interested in:
Bain
McCoy


Cowboys Offense Target if Defense Wiped Out:
Jordan Tyson

I get taking McCoy off the board in the first round. He had a major injury, missed over a year, and no one has seen him play football since. Workouts are nice, but there is no assurance that he is the same player after the injury. Some teams might be willing to risk it, but I wouldn't with 12 or 20.

Bain being out is really confusing. He's young, and he's amazing. He has short arms, but he spent the entire year dominating plenty of lineman with NFL size. He clearly found a way to make it work. It's the same situation as Howell, and his arms are even shorter. But both showed speed, power, and made big plays all year long. I can't help thinking about people knocking Aaron Donald or Terrell Suggs back in the days, because they didn't like their measurables

Seeing a lot of smoke that we are interested in Jordyn Tyson if defense is wiped out at 12. Not sure if it's just smoke to entice another team to trade up, or if we would actually take him...

It would be interesting to say the least, but I'm not against it - would just mean Pickens won't return for 2027.

jr15aggie said:

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Agristotle said:

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I like Faulk. Good kid played against SEC teams and can move inside.

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Y'all need to get ready because his name has been mentioned A LOT in Dallas draft talks. We've seen it in the past with guys like LVE... eventually the talk becomes the pick.

I'm just praying and hoping that we are interested in him at 20 or later in a trade down. If we sit and pick him at #12 I'm going to throw up in my mouth. I might disown the team all together if somebody like Downs is on the board and we still take Faulk. Will legit ruin my draft night!


But as a disclaimer, I think the most pissed I've been at a modern draft was when we drafted Tyler Smith... so I've been wrong before!

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Zero chance we'd skip downs. We'd be crucified

Tyson seems very hot, zooming up draft boards.

cman1494 said:

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Seeing a lot of smoke that we are interested in Jordyn Tyson if defense is wiped out at 12. Not sure if it's just smoke to entice another team to trade up, or if we would actually take him...

It would be interesting to say the least, but I'm not against it - would just mean Pickens won't return for 2027.

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Actually would not be opposed to this. I'm very skeptical that they can get Pickens signed and this WR corp without Pickens takes a major step back. WR is a sneaky need.

I wonder if you could move Pickens if we ended with a WR as BPA? I think you'd almost have to. He's fighting for a contract, playing on the tag, and now you got a rookie that will be needing PT and passes thrown his way.

Feels like a "this isn't going to work anymore" situation. Wasn't a ton of interest from other teams pre-draft... maybe that will change after the draft and we can get something for him.



But that's getting ahead of ourselves... I don't think it's happening, but I'll save my prediction for Thursday.

My dream is for one of the defensive top guys to somehow fall to us at 12 and trade back to late first at 20, grab Concepcion and get a late 2nd or early 3rd for moving back

Get the sense that the cost to move up in this draft won't be as steep as usual.

This will helpful if we want to move up from 12... but on the flipside I wouldn't expect more than a 3rd rounder if we move back a little. Only way I see to add a 2nd rounder is if we move back ~ 10+ spots from 12 or 20.

I could see us doing a move from 20 to the bottom of the 1st round. We could pick up a 2nd rounder for that, but it would be a late 2nd round pick.

Nate seems like one of the guys that you look up and realize he's been in the NFL 10 years.

BREAKING: Some team doctors are concerned that Tennessee star CB Jermod McCoy will need another surgery to replace a bone plug used to repair a cartilage defect in his knee, a potentially significant surgery that would likely knock him out for his entire rookie season, per Tom Pelissero and Dr. Jesse Morse.

"Some of the doctors that have seen his scans are concerned that he will need another surgery to replace that bone plug, which would be an extensive recovery," Pelissero said.

"The expert at doing these is Dr. Dan Cooper, who happens to be the team doctor for the Dallas Cowboys. Several NFL players have had their surgery and have had very successful careers afterwards," Morse wrote.

Teams do not have concerns about McCoy's surgically repaired ACL as this is a separate issue.

Considering that some teams flagged McCoy for another surgery, he could fall to the second-round.

Big_Time_Timmy_Jim said:

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BREAKING: Some team doctors are concerned that Tennessee star CB Jermod McCoy will need another surgery to replace a bone plug used to repair a cartilage defect in his knee, a potentially significant surgery that would likely knock him out for his entire rookie season, per Tom Pelissero and Dr. Jesse Morse.

"Some of the doctors that have seen his scans are concerned that he will need another surgery to replace that bone plug, which would be an extensive recovery," Pelissero said.

"The expert at doing these is Dr. Dan Cooper, who happens to be the team doctor for the Dallas Cowboys. Several NFL players have had their surgery and have had very successful careers afterwards," Morse wrote.

Teams do not have concerns about McCoy's surgically repaired ACL as this is a separate issue.

Considering that some teams flagged McCoy for another surgery, he could fall to the second-round.

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Well that sucks. Cowboys can't draft him then much to my disappointment

Sounds like Dallas has already taken McCoy and Bain off their board anyway if you believe guys like Broaddus and Machota.

At this point we need to be rooting for someone ahead of Dallas to take Bain

Some of us have been repeating the rumors of this for a couple weeks. Teams were saying his knee still wasn't right.

The dude will be 2+ years removed from football and only have 3 years left on his rookie deal before he can even start practicing if this is true.

Tough break for the kid... Possible day 3 pick.

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Ok. If Downs and Delane are gone at 12, a trade down with the Chiefs for the 29th and 40th pick.

20 - Keldric Faulk / Zion / TJ Parker - Zion is an undeniable dawg
29 - Rodriguez
40 - Ponds

I'm a happy camper.

IDK if those trade points work or whatever. someone else will have to look that up :x but that'd be a damn good haul.

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I'm happy with a trade down. We need more dudes. Defense needs to be average.

TyHolden said:

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Woods Ag said:

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Ok. If Downs and Delane are gone at 12, a trade down with the Chiefs for the 29th and 40th pick.

20 - Keldric Faulk / Zion / TJ Parker - Zion is an undeniable dawg
29 - Rodriguez
40 - Ponds

I'm a happy camper.

IDK if those trade points work or whatever. someone else will have to look that up :x but that'd be a damn good haul.

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I'm happy with a trade down. We need more dudes. Defense needs to be average.

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That's 3 dudes that are going to start next year. I'd probably go with Zion just because of his effort over Faulk's natural ability. Then Ponds is a physical competitor with freak athleticism and can play the nickel. Rodriguez - I waffled yesterday, but this dude just makes plays always. I'll take the bet he's going to be a player in the NFL.

Just listened to the most recent Bill Simmons pod that had both Todd McShay and Steve Muench on, and they briefly touched on the Cowboys situation. They both said that if the Cowboys were to move up at all it would be for an edge rusher (aka Reese or Bailey), and that the cost to do it is just too much. They believe the odds are very high that Bailey and Reese are both gone within the top four, and moving up into the top four is just way too high a price considering what the prospect pool is going to be for next year.

Additionally, they added that teams like the Cowboys, in picks 9-12 and then probably 20-25, are in prime positions to move back in this draft because of the fall off in offensive lineman/potential tackles. There's give or take 7, 8, or 9 offensive lineman in this draft that teams feel good about in ranging degrees. But after that it falls off really hard, so there is incentive for teams that need a tackle or plug and play lineman to get them in the first. Whether thats trading up from 17 to 10 to get Mauigoa or Fano, or trading up from 24 to 19 to get Ioane. Teams are going to have to pull the trigger because if they don't they are going to be left with scraps from an offensive line perspective.

Lastly, it sounds like every team has different guys they like or prefer over others. This draft just isn't that great, which has teams playing some serious games behind the scenes to lead people in certain directions. Considering the lack of talent in this draft, this is should make for a very, very fun draft.

messed around with a few mock sites and all accepted the trade...would y'all do it? I would in a heartbeat

Pickens and #12 to Arizona for Harrison Jr. and #3

selected Reese at #3

One can dream!

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Additionally, they added that teams like the Cowboys, in picks 9-12 and then probably 20-25, are in prime positions to move back in this draft because of the fall off in offensive lineman/potential tackles.

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Yep, I've been preaching this for a while thinking the same thing. There is a big lump of premier position offensive players (OT, WR, & 1 elite Guard prospect) with similar grades.

You expect the run on these guys to happen between picks 10 and 25. After that there is a decent drop off in talent at those spots.


I don't see any team giving up huge draft capital to do a big jump up for any of these guys, but the opportunity to move back 5-ish spots (at 12 or 20) is certainly there.

Woods Ag said:

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Ok. If Downs and Delane are gone at 12, a trade down with the Chiefs for the 29th and 40th pick.

20 - Keldric Faulk / Zion / TJ Parker - Zion is an undeniable dawg
29 - Rodriguez
40 - Ponds

I'm a happy camper.

IDK if those trade points work or whatever. someone else will have to look that up but it has to be close, that'd be a damn good haul.

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I'd remove Zion & Parker at 20 and replace them with Malachi Lawrence. His name has all of a sudden been mentioned on multiple Cowboy shows.

This seems to happen every year... guys that none of us are really talking about start getting name dropped on draft week. Pretty sure this was the case with Booker and Tyler Smith.



Faulk is still being mentioned as well but I just don't see it man! We already have guys like him on the team.

Yeah I wasn't a massive believer in the trade back theory, and I still am not outside of this O line situation. Meaning I just don't think many teams are going to want to move up in a draft that is so widely regarded as average at best. However, I was unaware of this belief that there's really only 8 or so offensive lineman that teams like and believe are true day one starters essentially. Or at least are guys that whether you play them at guard or tackle you can be happy with getting and immediately plugging in to your group. So that is the only position in the first round I truly believe teams will be trading up to get because of it.

I think the same is true of WR. I think the guy from Indiana and KC are considered the last guys you feel really good about coming in and being a day 1 starter.

Mixed in there is a whole mess of defenders at every position that you feel good about as a starter or key rotation player.

I think we could see several teams moving a few spots here and there trying to get the best value for their needs.