ElephantRider said:

---

lda6339 said:

---

ElephantRider said:

---

lda6339 said:

---

These texts are bad! I read them last week, glad the judge let them in.

---

Can't watch right now. Summary/examples?

---

A flippant attitude towards racism, telling another cop to "just pepper spray them" while that cop was complaining about the MLK Parade.

The social media posts they are reading now are probably worse, however.

---

The Pinterest stuff, or others?

---

I Am Mine said:

---

powerbelly said:

---

I Am Mine said:

---

That's fine.

Did you kill the person that lived there?

To me, as a cop she needs to be held to a higher responsibility than the average person. She shot a guy in his own house.

If she had not been armed and a cop, she would've screamed and ran away.

---

I agree if she was on duty she should be held to a higher standard. But if she isn't then she should be treated as an average citizen.

---

Disagree. Cops are always on duty. Especially in uniform.

I'd hold a cop more at fault than someone with a CC too in that situation.

She panicked. She shot him.

She should go to prison.

---

PJYoung said:

---

Bocephus said:

---

J.P. 03 said:

---

If this is her...yikes:

---

People have completely lost their sense of humor

---

I'm guessing your possible state of mind matters when you end up f-ing up and killing an innocent man in his own apartment.

---

lda6339 said:

---

Bocephus said:

---

jefe95 said:

---

The state argued her marijuana usage was relevant because the defense brought up the victim's marijuana usage. Judge agreed to allow it.
Her social media postings are NOT good. Yikes..

---

When did the defense bring up the weed? Only mention I ever saw of it was Jean's sister claiming he used it to treat his ADD. I don't think the state even cross examined her.

---

Because the defense brought up that Botham had weed in his apartment/system, as well as the weed smell because he had smoked the night he was killed.

---

CJS4715 said:

---

One of the quotes sounded like something from the Marine Corps.

---

Quote:

---

I don't think she was in uniform.

---

I Am Mine said:

---

That's fine.

Did you kill the person that lived there?

To me, as a cop she needs to be held to a higher responsibility than the average person. She shot a guy in his own house.

If she had not been armed and a cop, she would've screamed and ran away.

---

lda6339 said:

---

Bocephus said:

---

lda6339 said:

---

HouseDivided06 said:

---

lda6339 said:

---

HouseDivided06 said:

---

Totally get that and do not blame you at all. Bottom line is no one knows because she was the only one there who is alive to give her side, which is a tragedy. But if the burden of proof is on the prosecution to proof beyond reasonable doubt that her version is false and that her mistake of fact is false, I do not think they reached that. Understand the verdict, but ultimately I do not believe the burden of proof was met, which is legally what matters.

---

Please explain to me how her recalling of the events and the Medical Examiners testimony can be reconciled?

---

If he was bent over moving forward that could happen. Crouched over. We have no way of knowing WHAT he was doing. He could have been on the couch. He could have been standing up from the couch. He could have already been standing when she came in, was surprised and crouched or ducked or was leaning forward advancing. But saying definitively that he could NOT have been doing one of those things and he MUST have ONLY been sitting on the couch is speculation. Now I remember you saying that the medical examiner stated there was no way he was moving toward her, but I do not remember being that their testimony. I remember them saying he was bent over. That is far from definitive of his position or his movement.

---

None of what you said was him walking towards her like she said? The bullet trajectory and him walking towards her just cant sync up.

---

We don't know that bc the judge wouldn't allow the expert to come in and re-constrict the scene. Yet another validation reason for appeal

---

There expert you're referencing never saw the scene and his testimony was based on speculation.

There was an expert reconstruction specialist that testified in favor the prosecution that did see the scene and mapped it with special tech.

Good try

---

Bocephus said:

---

I Am Mine said:

---

That's fine.

Did you kill the person that lived there?

To me, as a cop she needs to be held to a higher responsibility than the average person. She shot a guy in his own house.

If she had not been armed and a cop, she would've screamed and ran away.

---

Still does not equate to a murder charge.

---

Bocephus said:

---

lda6339 said:

---

Bocephus said:

---

jefe95 said:

---

The state argued her marijuana usage was relevant because the defense brought up the victim's marijuana usage. Judge agreed to allow it.
Her social media postings are NOT good. Yikes..

---

When did the defense bring up the weed? Only mention I ever saw of it was Jean's sister claiming he used it to treat his ADD. I don't think the state even cross examined her.

---

Because the defense brought up that Botham had weed in his apartment/system, as well as the weed smell because he had smoked the night he was killed.

---

Did they bring that up or did the state bring that up? The sister said he smoked it for ADD. The state said Guyger should have known it was not her apartment bc of the smell. Never saw the defense mention it.

---

expresswrittenconsent said:

---

powerbelly said:

---

I Am Mine said:

---

That's fine.

Did you kill the person that lived there?

To me, as a cop she needs to be held to a higher responsibility than the average person. She shot a guy in his own house.

If she had not been armed and a cop, she would've screamed and ran away.

---

I agree if she was on duty she should be held to a higher standard. But if she isn't then she should be treated as an average citizen.

---

Problem is that she can't have it both ways. She got special cop treatment from the moment of the shooting. She wasnt arrested for days, while any "average citizen" would have been arrested on the spot. This whole thing began with her getting special treatment so the defense that she should be treated as an "average citizen" rings especially hollow.

---

Duncan Idaho said:

---

She wasnt an average citizen. She was a train professional. She knew the rules of the game and killed a dude sitting in his house eating ice cream because she knew she would get special treatment because she is a trained professional

---

powerbelly said:

---

expresswrittenconsent said:

---

powerbelly said:

---

I Am Mine said:

---

That's fine.

Did you kill the person that lived there?

To me, as a cop she needs to be held to a higher responsibility than the average person. She shot a guy in his own house.

If she had not been armed and a cop, she would've screamed and ran away.

---

I agree if she was on duty she should be held to a higher standard. But if she isn't then she should be treated as an average citizen.

---

Problem is that she can't have it both ways. She got special cop treatment from the moment of the shooting. She wasnt arrested for days, while any "average citizen" would have been arrested on the spot. This whole thing began with her getting special treatment so the defense that she should be treated as an "average citizen" rings especially hollow.

---

And two wrongs don't make a right. She should have always been treated like an average citizen, especially during trial.

---

Duncan Idaho said:

---

If it wasn't for the jury to do then whose response and hold he was at the find her guilty if that's what the evidence pointed to which according these 12 it did.

---

powerbelly said:

---

Duncan Idaho said:

---

Even if he had a gun in hand, I would still agree with this verdict and say she strait up murdered this poor accountant.

---

Everyone agrees that she murdered Botham. That isn't the question at all.

---

Duncan Idaho said:

---

If it wasn't for the jury to do then whose responsibility is it to find her guilty if that's what the evidence pointed to. which according these 12 it did.

---