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If there's one thing I think we can all agree on, it's the complete idiocy of the general public. Reading comments on the various live-streams makes me wonder how most people manage to make it out of their front door every day without setting their house on fire. The amount of racism (coming from all directions), ignorance, and just sheer stupidity is astounding.

Makes you really nervous about your chances of getting a competent jury if you're ever wrongly accused of something. Please take your jury summons seriously! Don't skip out on your civic duty!

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3rd Generation Ag said:

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If I killed someone and knew they were just in their own apartment, yes I would plead guilty. I would take responsiblity for my actions. In fact I would be near suicial over it.

So we are to excuse her because she was tired after a long shift as a police officer, then not expect her to have the observational skills that go with her job?


We obviously have different value systems.

By the way, if she had been sitting in her apartment and HE walked in my mistake, surely she would give him a chance to walk OUT before shooting?


And since I have zero experience in the situation, show me your hands to me would mean to walk over and let you look at my hands.

I would understand hands up.

But not show me your hands. In my world as a teacher than means a student might have cheat notes written on his hands and I really mean show me your hands.

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schwack schwack said:

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You want to see a real ****show, watch on wfaa's fb page & read the realtime comments.

edit: People on there still think they were in a relationship, her dog was in her apartment, she was under the influence of something - all things already addressed. I hope I'm never subject to a juries decision - people do not listen, have preconceived ideas, etc.

That said, I was recently on a murder trial jury and it was very stressful but we all paid attention & were able to talk things out rationally in the jury room to eventually get a conviction.

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DannyDuberstein said:

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Makes you really nervous about your chances of getting a competent jury if you're ever wrongly accused of something. Please take your jury summons seriously! Don't skip out on your civic duty!

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Couldn't agree more. Every time I get a summons, such a large part of me doesn't want to get picked because our lives are busy enough. But I always come back to this thought. It's so important. I've actually only served once, but it was sexual assault of a child. It was awful, but at the same time, I really did feel the sense of duty and, as strange as it may sound, gratification in being able to play a role for the community in the process. As lousy as that job was, we need competent people willing to do it.

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wbt5845 said:

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If this guy testifying walked all the way into the wrong apartment without noticing it, I wouldn't want him on my equity team.

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Seven Costanza said:

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Sounded like his roommate did pretty well with regularly picking up random girls.

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CJS4715 said:

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So, I'd have to say that I'm not sure I completely buy into her testimony. Specifically, I'm hung up on the fact that she was still sending nudes to her partner, but they stopped having sex. I think that put a pretty good ding on her credibility.

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proc said:

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A lot of chatter about having testimony on Saturday, which is the correct choice with a sequestered jury. My guess is that the Defense rests on Monday, closing arguments on Tuesday morning, jury goes into deliberation Tuesday afternoon.

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Bocephus said:

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As the poster above suggested, now the defense is parading witness after witness from the complex who parked on the wrong floor and went to the wrong apartment.

With each witness, you can add another 10K to the settlement that the complex owner is gonna pay Jean's family.

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culdeus said:

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This witness parade is stupid, why is the judge even allowing this?

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Bocephus said:

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tysker said:

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Bocephus said:

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3rd Generation Ag said:

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Going to the wrong apartment is reasonable, NOT recognizing instantly that you are inside the wrong apartment to me is not.

And I live in a "cookie cutter" stacked building where every floor is the same floor plan but there are tons of differences as you walk down every hall. Decorations from the complex (each floor has different paintings, , door mats, door decorations. The minute you open the door, there is the distinctive smell of the home. It is like she turned all her senses of observation OFF totally.

I know you say she is off duty, but I though part of the training for police was to be super observant. That ability would not turn off when she signed off the clock.

I still dont get how she could have been oblivious.

Honestly, I think she should plead guilty if she is a decent person at all. She should feel the terrible weight of guilt and remorse.

I don't even understand how she could want to walk away unpunished

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I get it. You don't understand how she could walk into the wrong apartment. Have you ever worked a 14 hour police shift and then carried all that stuff to your apartment? If you have not, then your opinion here is not very valid.

She is human. Our observation skills cannot be on 24 hours per day. That is physically impossible. Expecting police to be super human is expecting too much. She made a mistake. She is human. It happens.

If you made a mistake and someone was charging you with murder, in a county where people who beat their kids to death are not charged with murder, you would just plead guilty?

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She didnt just walk into the wrong apartment, she admittedly entered a dark apartment suspecting there was someone inside. Of course she's human but its reasonable to assume that a large number of humans dont even enter that apartment and engage.

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Very true. Would also like to point out that the DA is wrong that police are trained to look for cover and wait when they find a burglary suspect. They are trained to take the suspect into custody. You don't look for somewhere to hide and wait for SWAT while the suspect escapes.

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Bob Loblaws Law Blog said:

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Was his TV on? I've heard the TV and laptop were on. Was the TV in the same general spot in both of their apartments? If not, I would think opening the door and seeing the TV in a different spot would be a strong indicator of being in the wrong apartment. But she missed all the other signs and could have missed that one too.

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Bocephus said:

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tysker said:

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Bocephus said:

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3rd Generation Ag said:

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Going to the wrong apartment is reasonable, NOT recognizing instantly that you are inside the wrong apartment to me is not.

And I live in a "cookie cutter" stacked building where every floor is the same floor plan but there are tons of differences as you walk down every hall. Decorations from the complex (each floor has different paintings, , door mats, door decorations. The minute you open the door, there is the distinctive smell of the home. It is like she turned all her senses of observation OFF totally.

I know you say she is off duty, but I though part of the training for police was to be super observant. That ability would not turn off when she signed off the clock.

I still dont get how she could have been oblivious.

Honestly, I think she should plead guilty if she is a decent person at all. She should feel the terrible weight of guilt and remorse.

I don't even understand how she could want to walk away unpunished

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I get it. You don't understand how she could walk into the wrong apartment. Have you ever worked a 14 hour police shift and then carried all that stuff to your apartment? If you have not, then your opinion here is not very valid.

She is human. Our observation skills cannot be on 24 hours per day. That is physically impossible. Expecting police to be super human is expecting too much. She made a mistake. She is human. It happens.

If you made a mistake and someone was charging you with murder, in a county where people who beat their kids to death are not charged with murder, you would just plead guilty?

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She didnt just walk into the wrong apartment, she admittedly entered a dark apartment suspecting there was someone inside. Of course she's human but its reasonable to assume that a large number of humans dont even enter that apartment and engage.

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Very true. Would also like to point out that the DA is wrong that police are trained to look for cover and wait when they find a burglary suspect. They are trained to take the suspect into custody. You don't look for somewhere to hide and wait for SWAT while the suspect escapes.

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TOUCHDOWN! said:

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In what way does that have anything to do with whether she was justified in shooting BJ?

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Bob Loblaws Law Blog said:

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Bocephus said:

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tysker said:

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Bocephus said:

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3rd Generation Ag said:

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Going to the wrong apartment is reasonable, NOT recognizing instantly that you are inside the wrong apartment to me is not.

And I live in a "cookie cutter" stacked building where every floor is the same floor plan but there are tons of differences as you walk down every hall. Decorations from the complex (each floor has different paintings, , door mats, door decorations. The minute you open the door, there is the distinctive smell of the home. It is like she turned all her senses of observation OFF totally.

I know you say she is off duty, but I though part of the training for police was to be super observant. That ability would not turn off when she signed off the clock.

I still dont get how she could have been oblivious.

Honestly, I think she should plead guilty if she is a decent person at all. She should feel the terrible weight of guilt and remorse.

I don't even understand how she could want to walk away unpunished

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I get it. You don't understand how she could walk into the wrong apartment. Have you ever worked a 14 hour police shift and then carried all that stuff to your apartment? If you have not, then your opinion here is not very valid.

She is human. Our observation skills cannot be on 24 hours per day. That is physically impossible. Expecting police to be super human is expecting too much. She made a mistake. She is human. It happens.

If you made a mistake and someone was charging you with murder, in a county where people who beat their kids to death are not charged with murder, you would just plead guilty?

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She didnt just walk into the wrong apartment, she admittedly entered a dark apartment suspecting there was someone inside. Of course she's human but its reasonable to assume that a large number of humans dont even enter that apartment and engage.

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Very true. Would also like to point out that the DA is wrong that police are trained to look for cover and wait when they find a burglary suspect. They are trained to take the suspect into custody. You don't look for somewhere to hide and wait for SWAT while the suspect escapes.

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Interesting. So not put a bullet through their chest?

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PatAg said:

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Bocephus said:

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tysker said:

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Bocephus said:

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3rd Generation Ag said:

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Going to the wrong apartment is reasonable, NOT recognizing instantly that you are inside the wrong apartment to me is not.

And I live in a "cookie cutter" stacked building where every floor is the same floor plan but there are tons of differences as you walk down every hall. Decorations from the complex (each floor has different paintings, , door mats, door decorations. The minute you open the door, there is the distinctive smell of the home. It is like she turned all her senses of observation OFF totally.

I know you say she is off duty, but I though part of the training for police was to be super observant. That ability would not turn off when she signed off the clock.

I still dont get how she could have been oblivious.

Honestly, I think she should plead guilty if she is a decent person at all. She should feel the terrible weight of guilt and remorse.

I don't even understand how she could want to walk away unpunished

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I get it. You don't understand how she could walk into the wrong apartment. Have you ever worked a 14 hour police shift and then carried all that stuff to your apartment? If you have not, then your opinion here is not very valid.

She is human. Our observation skills cannot be on 24 hours per day. That is physically impossible. Expecting police to be super human is expecting too much. She made a mistake. She is human. It happens.

If you made a mistake and someone was charging you with murder, in a county where people who beat their kids to death are not charged with murder, you would just plead guilty?

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She didnt just walk into the wrong apartment, she admittedly entered a dark apartment suspecting there was someone inside. Of course she's human but its reasonable to assume that a large number of humans dont even enter that apartment and engage.

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Very true. Would also like to point out that the DA is wrong that police are trained to look for cover and wait when they find a burglary suspect. They are trained to take the suspect into custody. You don't look for somewhere to hide and wait for SWAT while the suspect escapes.

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You're saying that a cop would enter a house on their own to catch a burglary suspect? They wouldn't call for backup and try to contain the subject?

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