She'd recently moved in, so you couldn't really say this for her either.tysker said:
But it wasnt his apartment. One that he had been living in and going through daily routines for months or years.
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Keeping in mind that she is a police officer, we have to not only understand that she has a higher burden in regards to her actions, we also have to be aware that her brain is conditioned to react differently to perceived threats.
My opinion is that the first thing she saw upon opening the door was that the tv was on, and that there was someone in the back of the apartment. At that point, her brain engaged in stress response, narrowing her field of vision.
If I were the defense, I would call an expert in stress response and tunnel vision. This may or may cause more disagreement here, but I think that we need to be aware of the possibility that this can happen.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/tunnel-vision-impacts-first-responders/
My opinion is that the first thing she saw upon opening the door was that the tv was on, and that there was someone in the back of the apartment. At that point, her brain engaged in stress response, narrowing her field of vision.
If I were the defense, I would call an expert in stress response and tunnel vision. This may or may cause more disagreement here, but I think that we need to be aware of the possibility that this can happen.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/tunnel-vision-impacts-first-responders/
powerbelly said:culdeus said:
Maybe I'm just idealistic but let's say she finds someone in her own apartment. She's a cop. Is it ok to just execute the guy?
Should there be no attempt I dunno to arrest the guy? What happened to hands up?
Guy was holding a bowl of ice cream. Or nothing. There was no threat and there was no ****s given. Shoot first and just deal with it.
To me this is murder. Same as if she dropped him on the sidewalk. It was no accident. Still think she walks completely free not guilty.
She has the same rights as you and I when she isnt on duty. I dont have to try and arrest someone breaking into my house.
She broke into his house.
culdeus said:powerbelly said:culdeus said:
Maybe I'm just idealistic but let's say she finds someone in her own apartment. She's a cop. Is it ok to just execute the guy?
Should there be no attempt I dunno to arrest the guy? What happened to hands up?
Guy was holding a bowl of ice cream. Or nothing. There was no threat and there was no ****s given. Shoot first and just deal with it.
To me this is murder. Same as if she dropped him on the sidewalk. It was no accident. Still think she walks completely free not guilty.
She has the same rights as you and I when she isnt on duty. I dont have to try and arrest someone breaking into my house.
She broke into his house.
No **** Sherlock.
After sitting in jury duty this week, I cant help but wonder how this case would play out if the shooter was an illegal male and the victim was an attractive female.
My entire jury pool of 77 people was dismissed because 67 of them said some variation of either "he is doesn't speak English, so he probably isnt legal, so he must be guilty" and "we wouldn't be here if he wasnt guilty". I left pretty much disgusted with my fellow citizens and the legal system in general
My entire jury pool of 77 people was dismissed because 67 of them said some variation of either "he is doesn't speak English, so he probably isnt legal, so he must be guilty" and "we wouldn't be here if he wasnt guilty". I left pretty much disgusted with my fellow citizens and the legal system in general
And. Here. We. Go.
When the defense starts with high school and band experience, you know they are in trouble
She sounds like she smokes 3 packs a day
She's been coached up to speak softly.Grego2007 said:
She sounds like she smokes 3 packs a day
Judge allowing latitude to the defense over objections. Sounds like ability to see hands and suspect obeying "let me see your hands" is going to be the defense.
She told him "let me see your hands" before shooting?
Also emphasized never letting a suspect get close to you.
That's coming. She's the only living witness to the incident - I bet, based on testimony so far, she will insist she yelled "let me see your hands" and that he got up and was moving towards her.babyshark said:
She told him "let me see your hands" before shooting?
Gotcha, didnt know if I'd missed that statement.
Guess we aren't going to get to hear her potty mouth today. Hopefully, the DA does his best Lt. Daniel Kaffee and breaks her.
Why is cursing relevant at all?CJS4715 said:
Guess we aren't going to get to hear her potty mouth today. Hopefully, the DA does his best Lt. Daniel Kaffee and breaks her.
Her entire defense testimony has obviously been rehearsed. She looks pretty and seems innocent. Portraying youngest child of a divorced couple who worked hard to get a job helping people. She's doing great. She turns to give her responses directly to the jury to engage them.CJS4715 said:
Guess we aren't going to get to hear her potty mouth today. Hopefully, the DA does his best Lt. Daniel Kaffee and breaks her.
Cross examination will be the interesting part. I'm sure her defense team has brought in lawyers to badger her during mock testimony - she'll be well prepared.
Lawyer is on the clock and paid by the hour. Get to it
powerbelly said:Why is cursing relevant at all?CJS4715 said:
Guess we aren't going to get to hear her potty mouth today. Hopefully, the DA does his best Lt. Daniel Kaffee and breaks her.
I just want to hear her drop a few F bombs. Don't judge me.
It's a completely different situation than being in a house and hearing someone coming in, vs. identifying that something is wrong and advancing on the situation with an intent to escalate it. Someone breaks a window at 2am it's go time. You come home to a broken window you call the cops, you don't storm in and blast whomever is in there.culdeus said:powerbelly said:culdeus said:
Maybe I'm just idealistic but let's say she finds someone in her own apartment. She's a cop. Is it ok to just execute the guy?
Should there be no attempt I dunno to arrest the guy? What happened to hands up?
Guy was holding a bowl of ice cream. Or nothing. There was no threat and there was no ****s given. Shoot first and just deal with it.
To me this is murder. Same as if she dropped him on the sidewalk. It was no accident. Still think she walks completely free not guilty.
She has the same rights as you and I when she isnt on duty. I dont have to try and arrest someone breaking into my house.
She broke into his house.
That is unless you just want to shoot someone.
I don't think that is true at all by Texas law.culdeus said:It's a completely different situation than being in a house and hearing someone coming in, vs. identifying that something is wrong and advancing on the situation with an intent to escalate it. Someone breaks a window at 2am it's go time. You come home to a broken window you call the cops, you don't storm in and blast whomever is in there.culdeus said:powerbelly said:culdeus said:
Maybe I'm just idealistic but let's say she finds someone in her own apartment. She's a cop. Is it ok to just execute the guy?
Should there be no attempt I dunno to arrest the guy? What happened to hands up?
Guy was holding a bowl of ice cream. Or nothing. There was no threat and there was no ****s given. Shoot first and just deal with it.
To me this is murder. Same as if she dropped him on the sidewalk. It was no accident. Still think she walks completely free not guilty.
She has the same rights as you and I when she isnt on duty. I dont have to try and arrest someone breaking into my house.
She broke into his house.
That is unless you just want to shoot someone.
I think she deserves to be strongly punished, but I don't think she will be found guilty if she can convince the jury she thought she was in her apartment (and I think she finds at least one who will believe her).
Right, that's where this whole matter of fact thing comes in to play, and while she should likely completely walk. The only punishment likely is that she has a bad google history and resume.powerbelly said:I don't think that is true at all by Texas law.culdeus said:It's a completely different situation than being in a house and hearing someone coming in, vs. identifying that something is wrong and advancing on the situation with an intent to escalate it. Someone breaks a window at 2am it's go time. You come home to a broken window you call the cops, you don't storm in and blast whomever is in there.culdeus said:powerbelly said:culdeus said:
Maybe I'm just idealistic but let's say she finds someone in her own apartment. She's a cop. Is it ok to just execute the guy?
Should there be no attempt I dunno to arrest the guy? What happened to hands up?
Guy was holding a bowl of ice cream. Or nothing. There was no threat and there was no ****s given. Shoot first and just deal with it.
To me this is murder. Same as if she dropped him on the sidewalk. It was no accident. Still think she walks completely free not guilty.
She has the same rights as you and I when she isnt on duty. I dont have to try and arrest someone breaking into my house.
She broke into his house.
That is unless you just want to shoot someone.
I think she deserves to be strongly punished, but I don't think she will be found guilty if she can convince the jury she thought she was in her apartment.
Defense is painting the day of the shooting as a day of OT on her one off day - working a SWAT raid, processing the suspects, transporting them to jail.
Agree. I don't think the DA did enough to prove she didn't think she was in her apartment.culdeus said:Right, that's where this whole matter of fact thing comes in to play, and while she should likely completely walk. The only punishment likely is that she has a bad google history and resume.powerbelly said:I don't think that is true at all by Texas law.culdeus said:It's a completely different situation than being in a house and hearing someone coming in, vs. identifying that something is wrong and advancing on the situation with an intent to escalate it. Someone breaks a window at 2am it's go time. You come home to a broken window you call the cops, you don't storm in and blast whomever is in there.culdeus said:powerbelly said:culdeus said:
Maybe I'm just idealistic but let's say she finds someone in her own apartment. She's a cop. Is it ok to just execute the guy?
Should there be no attempt I dunno to arrest the guy? What happened to hands up?
Guy was holding a bowl of ice cream. Or nothing. There was no threat and there was no ****s given. Shoot first and just deal with it.
To me this is murder. Same as if she dropped him on the sidewalk. It was no accident. Still think she walks completely free not guilty.
She has the same rights as you and I when she isnt on duty. I dont have to try and arrest someone breaking into my house.
She broke into his house.
That is unless you just want to shoot someone.
I think she deserves to be strongly punished, but I don't think she will be found guilty if she can convince the jury she thought she was in her apartment.
I do know I will be staying home when the verdict is read.
My wife works at a hospital close to downtown Dallas. She is having hand surgery next Wednesday and will be away from work for two weeks. Hopefully this is all over by then so I don't have to worry about riots.
Forgive my ignorance on this, but every other post on this thread is "stay home on verdict day." Are we really expecting the city to burn if she's found not guilty? Are there protesters outside the courthouse en mass every day right now just waiting to commit violence? I haven't heard anything in the news locally about community activists saying "here's what we're going to do if justice isn't served", etc (not that I've sought that type of news out). Add to all of that that Botham was from St Lucia, not an African American (yes, I think it is a mitigating factor) and I'm just not seeing a Michael Brown type riot in the works. But, as I said I'm ignorant so what the hell do I know?
DPD is prepared for a potential riot from what I've heard. I'm not sure where the origin of that info is though - seems to be a word of mouth belief / expectation.
Edit - This is the only official item I have found:
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/special-reports/botham-jean/no-time-off-for-dallas-officers-during-amber-guyger-trial-memos-say/287-c9d27975-774f-427e-a866-99d83802606e
So, I think the concern is all based on rumors of DPD just being prepared.
Edit - This is the only official item I have found:
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/special-reports/botham-jean/no-time-off-for-dallas-officers-during-amber-guyger-trial-memos-say/287-c9d27975-774f-427e-a866-99d83802606e
Quote:
In two separate memos, officers were told they will not be granted time off from the start of the trial through at least Oct. 7.
Detectives were also told to have their uniforms, gas masks, helmets and other gear ready.
So, I think the concern is all based on rumors of DPD just being prepared.
That's just basic precaution I would think, and why they wanted this done after the fair. I live like two miles from where the murder happened, work in Dallas, consume a lot of news related to this trial, and I'm just not seeing the "Dallas is a powder keg waiting to explode" comments being warranted at this point. Like I said though, maybe we're just too far away from the verdict and things will heat up next week.CJS4715 said:
DPD is prepared for a potential riot from what I've heard. I'm not sure where the origin of that info is though - seems to be a word of mouth belief / expectation.
Now, since I've made these posts, watch the city literally burn.
At the very least I think we have protests that day downtown. I work downtown and dont want to deal with any bull*****
Our friends with DPD have told us that all vacations have been canceled and they've been told to expect rioting. Hopefully it won't happen, but DPD is obviously taking the possibility of it seriously.
Ervin Burrell said:
Now, since I've made these posts, watch the city literally burn.
Let's hope not.
Understandable - but there's been posts on this thread saying to not be inside the 635 loop on verdict day. That's a bit overdramatic.powerbelly said:
At the very least I think we have protests that day downtown. I work downtown and dont want to deal with any bull*****
My feed dropped and I had to refresh my page when I was a few minutes behind on coverage. What happened that caused her to start crying for those watching? Just reliving the incident?
Ervin Burrell said:Understandable - but there's been posts on this thread saying to not be inside the 635 loop on verdict day. That's a bit overdramatic.powerbelly said:
At the very least I think we have protests that day downtown. I work downtown and dont want to deal with any bull*****
Totally agree. I think protesting will be by the courthouse and maybe by the apartment and if riots happen they will be in that area as well.
HouseDivided06 said:
My feed dropped and I had to refresh my page when I was a few minutes behind on coverage. What happened that caused her to start crying for those watching? Just reliving the incident?
Yea, the attorneys were talking to the judge off mic, and then when they came back - she broke down. I suppose she was just sitting there thinking about what was upcoming and couldn't deal with it.
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