Backyard Gator said:

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You didn't enjoy Holy Cross and South Dakota State making it?

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I've got nothing against those kids. But why play a regular season at all if it doesn't matter??

I fundamentally oppose postseason conference tournaments. They only serve to reward teams that didn't earn it in the regular season. This is true of all sports, but more accurate the more teams you let in (i.e, less true in a 2 team football game, especially after divisions were eliminated).

And my issue with the expanded CFP is the more teams you let in, the more losses you allow in the season, which means you water down the regular season one game at a time.

We're now to the point where if you're in a P4 conference, losses don't matter until you've lost two games, then you're in a win-or-you're-out territory.

Y'all need to understand that Sean hates post season conference tournaments only slightly less than he hates basketball

I can't help but thinking that it feels like sour grapes every time someone says that the regular season doesn't matter for the big conference teams and using OU as an example.

OU is a shining light to "do what you have to in order to get in, then get hot at the right time" What they accomplished this season was absolutely incredible. They earned every ounce of that trophy.
UCLA is a shining light to "you can beat the pants off of everyone throughout the year, but if you can't do it at the end, who cares"

now.. in the case of the teams like the MAAC, our Stetsons, our Fairfields, my fighting Marists, our etc etc etc, then you really do have a case to say that the conference tourney is the only thing that matters, because they can go practically undefeated and still get screwed if they don't show up in the conference tourney.

I actually can't think of anything I really want changed in the post season format.

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jteAg said:

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Tarheels !!!!
2 more for the title boys!!!
Great job!

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lol

I don't have a problem with OU winning, I have a problem with the postseason format. That is two different things.

Backyard Gator said:

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And my issue with the expanded CFP is the more teams you let in, the more losses you allow in the season, which means you water down the regular season one game at a time.

We're now to the point where if you're in a P4 conference, losses don't matter until you've lost two games, then you're in a win-or-you're-out territory.

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I'm fine at 12, anything more is an atrocity. I'd probably prefer 8.

Sean98 said:

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Backyard Gator said:

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And my issue with the expanded CFP is the more teams you let in, the more losses you allow in the season, which means you water down the regular season one game at a time.

We're now to the point where if you're in a P4 conference, losses don't matter until you've lost two games, then you're in a win-or-you're-out territory.

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I'm fine at 12, anything more is an atrocity. I'd probably prefer 8.

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I was fine with 4.

The only advantage of the 12-team format is it allows G6 schools a fair shot, and I like that.

You re spot on with that assessment, Twk! I don't even remember who won it? Is it even that necessary? Has it even Been a springboard for a middle of the road SEC team to the National championship?

I'm just glad the Big10 didn't win it in Baseball. UCLA & SC had a good chance to.
That conference would have been insufferable with their marketing campaign.

As far as the Ags, it's wait till next year. February seems like a long time off and I dread the the countdown thread. This better be our year. Patience is wearing thin. .
Gig'em

I think there are legitimately 6-8 teams most years that really have a chance. Especially if you're doing a 4 team playoff with AQs (usually meaning 1 or 2 of those shouldn't be there). I've always looked at a 12 team playoff as a way to ensure you've always included the best 8. No matter where you draw the line there's always someone who says, "well, I'm actually 12th best, not 13th - I should be in!" ...and I think that's absolutely the wrong question. The question should be, "do you have a legit argument that you're #8?" If not, F off. ...and then when you add a G6 team in there you've squeezed it a little more because it's unlikely they're #8.

Compare it to the baseball tourney this year. I'm not surprised we were #12, but would anyone on TexAgs have said we have absolutely, no way, no chance at being #8? I think a lot of folks thought it was possible but more likely we'd be 9 or 10. So I think if you look at the Top 12 seeds in the baseball tourney this year you'd feel really good that any rational argument for #8 was included in that 8-12 seed range. So you would have ensured that you got all of the teams with rational claims at #8. *Voila* it's actually an 8 team playoff but you've eliminated the drama of drawing a hard line at 8.

Whereas the old school 4 was more about ensuring each of the conferences got a rep than it was about ensuring you had the best.

The four-team format was a playoff in name only, it was really a plus-one knockout tournament featuring two bowls games, then the plus-one championship game.

The whole purpose of the four-team format was to ensure any team that had a legitimate claim that they were national champions after winning their bowl game would have a shot at playing in the plus-one championship game, thereby avoiding split national championships caused by years when there were three undefeated AQ teams after the conference championship games (like 2004). The four-team format solved that issue.

People argued about who was #4, but that was really irrelevant as long as undefeated #1, #2, and #3 made it in. 2018 and 2019 were the only years we actually had three undefeated AQ teams.

People arguing about who is #12 or #13 are idiots, if you're that far down the rankings, you' really don't have an argument that you're a national champion, and you're just hopping someone will take pity on you and select you.

Backyard Gator said:

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The four-team format was a playoff in name only, it was really a plus-one knockout tournament featuring two bowls games, then the plus-one championship game.

The whole purpose of the four-team format was to ensure any team that had a legitimate claim that they were national champions after winning their bowl game would have a shot at playing in the plus-one championship game, thereby avoiding split national championships caused by years when there were three undefeated AQ teams after the conference championship games (like 2004). The four-team format solved that issue.

People argued about who was #4, but that was really irrelevant as long as undefeated #1, #2, and #3 made it in. 2018 and 2019 were the only years we actually had three undefeated AQ teams.

People arguing about who is #12 or #13 are idiots, if you're that far down the rankings, you' really don't have an argument that you're a national champion, and you're just hopping someone will take pity on you and select you.

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100%. 8 teams would have been the best compromise. But 4 was sufficient and I would choose that 100% of the time if I had to choose between that or 12 or 16.

I think there is way more parity in college baseball than in football which is why the current post-season works for baseball.

There are smaller schools that put together great baseball teams year in and year out. That doesn't happen in football - and if they do, it's a one year aberration. The small schools have a legitimate chance on the field and in football they just don't.

Backyard Gator said:

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AgRyan04 said:

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I think there is way more parity in college baseball than in football which is why the current post-season works for baseball.

There are smaller schools that put together great baseball teams year in and year out. That doesn't happen in football - and if they do, it's a one year aberration. The small schools have a legitimate chance on the field and in football they just don't.

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Why do you need more than one year?

Is Indiana's national championship not legitimate because it is their only one?

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You don't - but the NIU, La Tech, Fresno States physically can't compete because they don't have the roster depth....or the funding to build it. They can have a great season, based off their schedule (not a SEC/Big 10 schedule), and it still not make them good enough to be a legitimate challenger, especially in a multi-round playoff.

In baseball they can, which is why the format works.

And Indiana is not a small school