bangobango said:"Keep my wife's name out of your *** mouth!"Ag_07 said:
Chris Rock was right...That was a nice joke.
He could've gone in a very different direction with a JPS joke.
"Keep other men's thing out of your wife's mouth!"
Sorry? Since I was responding to a post where someone wanted to make an actor/musical artist at the Oscars hitting another actor/comedian a political statement and stereotype covering the entire "left", my natural response is to provide an example of the "other side". If someone on the left used a single event between individuals to say "see, this is how the entire right behaves" I'd point out the ridiculousness and hypocrisy in the same way. But I mainly referenced Trump/Cruz to illustrate how that event and this Oscar's occurrence, and someone trying to use either to stereotype an entire party and it's supporters, would seem odd to me based on perceptions and stereotypes of both sides over my lifetime. But I'm also comfortable sharing how much I hated that entire Trump/Cruz exchange about Cruz's wife and it's aftermath, just very embarrassing. My opinion on that doesn't allow you to see which party I've voted for the most historically - if you're suggesting it proves I'm a closeted democrat.Cynic said:Complete Idiot said:
While not surprising, it's so funny to me people above would attempt to make this a left/right political point. That is so hilarious and such a sign of our times where everything has to have a political slant, but ESPECIALLY if it's something you think proves a point about the hated other side.
As a moderate, it is surprising to me to see someone I assume is on the right making fun of the left for standing up for their wife - perhaps this is due to the Trump/Cruz precedent where you can insult someone else's wife and just make that person your lackey as a result. But historically I would have thought someone on the right would make fun of a man on the left for being "weak and too scared to even defend your wife". These things are funny to observe.
No one is pointing out it was such a bad joke maybe a slap was needed? Not offensive to Pinkett, but just so unfunny?
Crazy to see that happen in any live broadcast with big celebrities. Got your money's worth if you were watching.
You comment that you can't believe people would make it political, then you point out how you are a moderate and link it to Trump & Cruz. Nice.
Well, guess what... It's political now because CNN is now blaming Trump for this.Complete Idiot said:
While not surprising, it's so funny to me people above would attempt to make this a left/right political point. That is so hilarious and such a sign of our times where everything has to have a political slant, but ESPECIALLY if it's something you think proves a point about the hated other side.
As a moderate, it is surprising to me to see someone I assume is on the right making fun of the left for standing up for their wife - perhaps this is due to the Trump/Cruz precedent where you can insult someone else's wife and just make that person your lackey as a result. But historically I would have thought someone on the right would make fun of a man on the left for being "weak and too scared to even defend your wife". These things are funny to observe.
No one is pointing out it was such a bad joke maybe a slap was needed? Not offensive to Pinkett, but just so unfunny?
Crazy to see that happen in any live broadcast with big celebrities. Got your money's worth if you were watching.
Forget about Chappelle - could somebody please find Ja Rule so I can make sense of all this? Where is Ja?Iowaggie said:
I can't decide which side to take until I hear what Dave Chappelle says.
Right now and last night, twitter is full of hypocrites who regularly tear down and make fun of others and would be crying foul if one of their targets slapped them, yet are now defending Smith.
Will Smith has to punch Chris Rock in the face .... He has no choice
— J A S O N (@_ja_s_on_) February 29, 2016
So far reference, I was referring to Chris Rock’s monologue at the 2016 #Oscars: https://t.co/3HnG5szCcn #HabitualLineStepper
— J A S O N (@_ja_s_on_) March 28, 2022
The Cruz reaction to Trump's comments on his wife were very embarrassing. Will Smith was equally embarrassing (in a different way).Complete Idiot said:Sorry? Since I was responding to a post where someone wanted to make an actor/musical artist at the Oscars hitting another actor/comedian a political statement and stereotype covering the entire "left", my natural response is to provide an example of the "other side". If someone on the left used a single event between individuals to say "see, this is how the entire right behaves" I'd point out the ridiculousness and hypocrisy in the same way. But I mainly referenced Trump/Cruz to illustrate how that event and this Oscar's occurrence, and someone trying to use either to stereotype an entire party and it's supporters, would seem odd to me based on perceptions and stereotypes of both sides over my lifetime. But I'm also comfortable sharing how much I hated that entire Trump/Cruz exchange about Cruz's wife and it's aftermath, just very embarrassing. My opinion on that doesn't allow you to see which party I've voted for the most historically - if you're suggesting it proves I'm a closeted democrat.Cynic said:Complete Idiot said:
While not surprising, it's so funny to me people above would attempt to make this a left/right political point. That is so hilarious and such a sign of our times where everything has to have a political slant, but ESPECIALLY if it's something you think proves a point about the hated other side.
As a moderate, it is surprising to me to see someone I assume is on the right making fun of the left for standing up for their wife - perhaps this is due to the Trump/Cruz precedent where you can insult someone else's wife and just make that person your lackey as a result. But historically I would have thought someone on the right would make fun of a man on the left for being "weak and too scared to even defend your wife". These things are funny to observe.
No one is pointing out it was such a bad joke maybe a slap was needed? Not offensive to Pinkett, but just so unfunny?
Crazy to see that happen in any live broadcast with big celebrities. Got your money's worth if you were watching.
You comment that you can't believe people would make it political, then you point out how you are a moderate and link it to Trump & Cruz. Nice.
I guess I've generally supported comedians being able to joke about any topic, but I find myself not liking direct insults of someone's wife, or husband, or kids right in front of the spouse or parent. Or maybe even health jokes directed at a specific person when everyone knows that specific person is suffering. My dad died of cancer and I've made cancer jokes since then, but I would never direct a cancer joke at someone I know has cancer, especially with their loved one's present - if that distinction makes sense? You make it specific to a person by name, it's suddenly very personal and not a societal comment. There is humor in alopecia I'm sure, but directing it at someone's wife on a worldwide broadcast seems distasteful. Smith and Pinkett being wacky as **** doesn't change my opinion on that.
Iowaggie said:
I can't decide which side to take until I hear what Dave Chappelle says.
Right now and last night, twitter is full of hypocrites who regularly tear down and make fun of others and would be crying foul if one of their targets slapped them, yet are now defending Smith.
If Will Smith had done that to Dave Chappelle, Chappelle would be into his third uninterrupted hour of Jada jokes
— Tᴏɴʏ! Tᴏɴɪ! Tᴏɴᴇ́! 𝚂𝚝𝚊𝚛𝚔 (R.I.P.) 🕙 (@StarkTTT) March 28, 2022
Glad Chris Rock didn't tell a joke about Alec Baldwin's wife.
— Jon Gabriel (@exjon) March 28, 2022
Let me tell you something, it’s a very bad practice to walk up on stage and physically assault a Comedian.
— Kathy Griffin (@kathygriffin) March 28, 2022
Now we all have to worry about who wants to be the next Will Smith in comedy clubs and theaters.
Yeah, but know your audience, respect the forum, and be aware of precedent [Will Smith]. People have been roasted at these events for years and now suddenly it's not ok to make a hair joke? I'm not ok with him doing something because this just shows him to be a ***** and completely unstable.Complete Idiot said:
I am totally ok with Smith doing "something", if a physical assault isn't it then what is it? I think it would have been powerful if he and his wife got up and left the ceremony, especially since he was nominated for a big award which came later in the broadcast (if I'm understanding correctly). Maybe hold up a thumbs down? Yell "I love my wife and that's too far man"? There is no winning, the person with the stage has the bully pulpit. Just looking mad and commenting later is safest bet for sure.
Back in the day people of status would have chosen a duel with pistols, to defend their honor, no?
I think it would be very hard to take someone publicly insulting my wife or kids, relating to some painful health condition they have, right in front of me. Anger can be hard to control, we're just mammals and fight or flight is powerful. But avoiding a physical confrontation would save you further future insults. Since everyone in the world wants to comment on twitter or their panel of 10 round table on some comedy or opinion "news" show, you'll either get "wimp just sat there and took it, can't even defend his family", or "baby left the ceremony for no reason", or "idiot assaults man over harmless joke".
Umm, a normal person would have simply ignored it, and no one would have ever thought twice about it. But he could have confronted Chris Rock about it after the show, and maybe released a statement to the press about the joke to the media. We teach 3 year olds to 'use their words'...he could have used that sage advice.Quote:
I am totally ok with Smith doing "something", if a physical assault isn't it then what is it?
Smith knew full well that he was getting the Best Actor award in 5 minutes. He has the floor. He could have stood up and talked about his wife and her struggles (which she is public about) and looked very sympathetic. Could have made Chris Rock look really bad for his joke. Instead he assaults him and launches into an expletive filled shouting match on live television. He is a public figure. Would you have preferred Cruz going over and punching Trump on live television during the debates? You need to have more self control than that. It wasn't a bar.Complete Idiot said:
I am totally ok with Smith doing "something", if a physical assault isn't it then what is it? I think it would have been powerful if he and his wife got up and left the ceremony, especially since he was nominated for a big award which came later in the broadcast (if I'm understanding correctly). Maybe hold up a thumbs down? Yell "I love my wife and that's too far man"? There is no winning, the person with the stage has the bully pulpit. Just looking mad and commenting later is safest bet for sure.
Back in the day people of status would have chosen a duel with pistols, to defend their honor, no?
I think it would be very hard to take someone publicly insulting my wife or kids, relating to some painful health condition they have, right in front of me. Anger can be hard to control, we're just mammals and fight or flight is powerful. But avoiding a physical confrontation would save you further future insults. Since everyone in the world wants to comment on twitter or their panel of 10 round table on some comedy or opinion "news" show, you'll either get "wimp just sat there and took it, can't even defend his family", or "baby left the ceremony for no reason", or "idiot assaults man over harmless joke".
Update:Claude! said:Forget about Chappelle - could somebody please find Ja Rule so I can make sense of all this? Where is Ja?Iowaggie said:
I can't decide which side to take until I hear what Dave Chappelle says.
Right now and last night, twitter is full of hypocrites who regularly tear down and make fun of others and would be crying foul if one of their targets slapped them, yet are now defending Smith.
Slapping season is OFFICIALLY in session… 🤣👋🏾
— Ja Rule (@jarule) March 28, 2022
It's insane.Four Seasons Landscaping said:
Stuff like this makes me realize just how amazingly out of touch I am with whatever the **** is going on out there in Hollywood.
He stays with his wife after she ****s around on him but throws down when somebody makes a joke about her hair?
I totally agree, especially if it's true he knew he would be taking the stage for a speech following that joke. The stage is a bully pulpit, so use it yourself later - calling out jokes about family members, or jokes against painful health conditions, or make a similar crass joke like "maybe Chris Rock's wife will be up for a role in..... oh wait, Chris Rock doesn't have a wife".BoydCrowder13 said:Smith knew full well that he was getting the Best Actor award in 5 minutes. He has the floor. He could have stood up and talked about his wife and her struggles (which she is public about) and looked very sympathetic. Could have made Chris Rock look really bad for his joke. Instead he assaults him and launches into an expletive filled shouting match on live television. He is a public figure. Would you have preferred Cruz going over and punching Trump on live television during the debates? You need to have more self control than that. It wasn't a bar.Complete Idiot said:
I am totally ok with Smith doing "something", if a physical assault isn't it then what is it? I think it would have been powerful if he and his wife got up and left the ceremony, especially since he was nominated for a big award which came later in the broadcast (if I'm understanding correctly). Maybe hold up a thumbs down? Yell "I love my wife and that's too far man"? There is no winning, the person with the stage has the bully pulpit. Just looking mad and commenting later is safest bet for sure.
Back in the day people of status would have chosen a duel with pistols, to defend their honor, no?
I think it would be very hard to take someone publicly insulting my wife or kids, relating to some painful health condition they have, right in front of me. Anger can be hard to control, we're just mammals and fight or flight is powerful. But avoiding a physical confrontation would save you further future insults. Since everyone in the world wants to comment on twitter or their panel of 10 round table on some comedy or opinion "news" show, you'll either get "wimp just sat there and took it, can't even defend his family", or "baby left the ceremony for no reason", or "idiot assaults man over harmless joke".
That would have been the thing to do. Use the moment at the podium to throw shade at Chris and appear empathetic. Instead Smith ruined the biggest night in his career.BoydCrowder13 said:
Smith knew full well that he was getting the Best Actor award in 5 minutes. He has the floor. He could have stood up and talked about his wife and her struggles (which she is public about) and looked very sympathetic. Could have made Chris Rock look really bad for his joke.
Well there you go.Complete Idiot said:I totally agree, especially if it's true he knew he would be taking the stage for a speech following that joke. The stage is a bully pulpit, so use it yourself later - calling out jokes about family members, or jokes against painful health conditions, or make a similar crass joke like "maybe Chris Rock's wife will be up for a role in..... oh wait, Chris Rock doesn't have a wife".BoydCrowder13 said:Smith knew full well that he was getting the Best Actor award in 5 minutes. He has the floor. He could have stood up and talked about his wife and her struggles (which she is public about) and looked very sympathetic. Could have made Chris Rock look really bad for his joke. Instead he assaults him and launches into an expletive filled shouting match on live television. He is a public figure. Would you have preferred Cruz going over and punching Trump on live television during the debates? You need to have more self control than that. It wasn't a bar.Complete Idiot said:
I am totally ok with Smith doing "something", if a physical assault isn't it then what is it? I think it would have been powerful if he and his wife got up and left the ceremony, especially since he was nominated for a big award which came later in the broadcast (if I'm understanding correctly). Maybe hold up a thumbs down? Yell "I love my wife and that's too far man"? There is no winning, the person with the stage has the bully pulpit. Just looking mad and commenting later is safest bet for sure.
Back in the day people of status would have chosen a duel with pistols, to defend their honor, no?
I think it would be very hard to take someone publicly insulting my wife or kids, relating to some painful health condition they have, right in front of me. Anger can be hard to control, we're just mammals and fight or flight is powerful. But avoiding a physical confrontation would save you further future insults. Since everyone in the world wants to comment on twitter or their panel of 10 round table on some comedy or opinion "news" show, you'll either get "wimp just sat there and took it, can't even defend his family", or "baby left the ceremony for no reason", or "idiot assaults man over harmless joke".
I would have respected Cruz if he had said something like "I support Trump's stance on many important topics but I demand that he apologize to my wife and father, it is inappropriate to insult your opponent's family members to gain favor. Let's stick to the issues, or insult me personally." It can be hard to counter a bully, especially one so adept at it.
