Bighunter43 said:

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From my understanding….there's still another 20,000 or so that haven't been loaded yet.

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Maybe more.

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TyHolden said:

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Have these been loaded into an online gen ai tool like ChatGPT? Could be interesting.

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Someone on reddit claims to have done this and generated these results. However, a lot of questions about how he did it and whether it's even possible with AI with that amount of info. I have tried loading an 800 page PDF ebook into chatgpt 4.0 and had it croak on it, but chatgpt 4.5 seems to be better.

https://www.reddit.com/r/JFKassasination/comments/1jepzyf/chatgpt_went_through_all_the_jfk_files/

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I can do this on a personal system but not public. When I get a chance, I'll work on this. This would make a nice blog. Maybe get the 3-letter agencies after me.

After my recent experiences on reddit, I would not believe a damn thing I read on there

Guitarsoup said:

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Are yall not embarrassed to post nonsense bull**** that has been public or debunked for years just because someone with 35 followers on twitter reposted it with a #jfkfiles hashtag?

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If we can't trust Twitter user "Pat McF***yourvaccinesandmask" as an unbiased, legitimate source then who can we trust?

Burdizzo said:

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After my recent experiences on reddit, I would not believe a damn thing I read on there

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Reddit's usefulness depends highly on the sub. In this case, that JFK Sub is unilaterally super pro-conspiracy and anything that doesn't include a massive conspiracy is way voted down. That sub is just like the political subs, but supporting conspiracies instead of whatever AOC/Kamala/etc want.

I've been trying to make one locally, it's not working as well as expected, the OCR isn't picking up well on the scanned documents and handwritings. It would be very interesting if it was able to pick everything up.

One of the biggest problems with trying to use AI to sift through all the documents isn't solvable. That problem is that AI is astonishingly easy to fool into responding with hallucinations or, even worse, canned inserted responses.

TheRealJacob said:

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I've been trying to make one locally, it's not working as well as expected, the OCR isn't picking up well on the scanned documents and handwritings. It would be very interesting if it was able to pick everything up.

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ah ok - didn't think about the hand writing. and yeah, if it's not conventional, may not pick up all the text. I don't know much about the inter-workings of OCRs. I think we have a crew of screen scrapers on here that might know....ie JFF scandal about 10-15 years ago.

Theoretically you could ask for document citations in responses which would help to find the facts

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Burdizzo said:

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After my recent experiences on reddit, I would not believe a damn thing I read on there

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Reddit's usefulness depends highly on the sub. In this case, that JFK Sub is unilaterally super pro-conspiracy and anything that doesn't include a massive conspiracy is way voted down. That sub is just like the political subs, but supporting conspiracies instead of whatever AOC/Kamala/etc want.

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I have seen enough of reddit to feel like a few bad apples (bad subresddits) have tainted the entire bushel. The handful of subreddits I found with actual factual information had so little traffic that it was mostly a waste of time. And the subs that had traffic were so erratic and poorly moderated that it was like a bad acid trip. Completely useless social media platform, IMO. But good on you if you have been able to use it. I tried and failed.

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Guitarsoup said:

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Burdizzo said:

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After my recent experiences on reddit, I would not believe a damn thing I read on there

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Reddit's usefulness depends highly on the sub. In this case, that JFK Sub is unilaterally super pro-conspiracy and anything that doesn't include a massive conspiracy is way voted down. That sub is just like the political subs, but supporting conspiracies instead of whatever AOC/Kamala/etc want.

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I have seen enough of reddit to feel like a few bad apples (bad subresddits) have tainted the entire bushel. The handful of subreddits I found with actual factual information had so little traffic that it was mostly a waste of time. And the subs that had traffic were so erratic and poorly moderated that it was like a bad acid trip. Completely useless social media platform, IMO. But good on you if you have been able to use it. I tried and failed.

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As a general rule: The more niche the better. The more general, the worse.

Jefferson is one of the more prominent conspiracy guys.

Posner is one of the more prominent LHO guys.

They are agreeing on the documents.

I'm glad we finally have the full Schlesinger memo. What was blacked out until yesterday? It was about CIA STAFFING, incl the # of CIA spooks that worked in the American embassy in Paris and how many sources the CIA used in other countries. Not quite the smoking gun indeed https://t.co/SFn9EQ8Li7

— Gerald Posner (@geraldposner) March 20, 2025

Document they are talking about: https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2025/0318/157-10002-10056.pdf

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/jfk-files-trump-88e1a9db?st=XAjEQj&reflink=article_copyURL_share


This was a really great read, BTW.

The CIA killed Gary Underhill fearing he might snitch.
What is going to be done about it? Nothing.

FobTies said:

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The CIA killed Gary Underhill fearing he might snitch.
What is going to be done about it? Nothing.

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LOLOLOL this was quotes from an article in Ramparts Magazine. This has been talked about for years and was even in Stone's movie JFK.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramparts_(magazine)

Whats your point?

Because it's been reported on in the past its not true?

It wouldn't be the first person our gov had suicided.

So the CIA killed him, but didn't kill all the people he blabbed to?

And this ran in a communist propaganda magazine that was well known and then .... nothing was done.

And of course... there is absolutely no source for the allegations in Ramparts. It's just **** throwing.

In fact, he wasn't even a CIA Agent. And there is no evidence that he was a CIA employee in any form.

Sure, if you want to believe the unsourced ramblings of a communist propaganda magazine, that is up to you. That's my point. What good is killing one person if you don't kill everyone they told the secrets you are trying to keep quiet? Of course, there is no evidence or sources that any of that happened.

No. It's not about incompetence. Let's be real here. LHO was not like JAMES BOND.. if they wanted to get him they would have. Incompetence is not the word I would use but maybe intentional incompetence, they wanted this to happen.

Guitarsoup said:

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So the CIA killed him, but didn't kill all the people he blabbed to?

And this ran in a communist propaganda magazine that was well known and then .... nothing was done.

And of course... there is absolutely no source for the allegations in Ramparts. It's just **** throwing.

In fact, he wasn't even a CIA Agent. And there is no evidence that he was a CIA employee in any form.

Sure, if you want to believe the unsourced ramblings of a communist propaganda magazine, that is up to you. That's my point. What good is killing one person if you don't kill everyone they told the secrets you are trying to keep quiet? Of course, there is no evidence or sources that any of that happened.

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I never claimed he was a CIA agent or employee. Its been documented he had legit CIA connections and likely implicated one or more CIA agents. Are the friends Gary visited and told also lying?

Gary was shot behind the left ear. An odd place for a right handed person to shoot himself. Possibly a silencer? Why don't we have confirmation on these details if it's easy to disprove.

Based on all the proven corruption and coverup we have seen from CIA, I'm inclined to believe this is very plausible. It's worth demanding more answers.

But you can go ahead and goal tend for the feds.

Guitarsoup,

If I am ever found dead, I just want to get it out there:

-I am not suicidal
-I know important things about important people and the government
-Important people would feel threatened by the important things I know

So whatever happens to me, it will not be the result of poor health choices, mental instability, or a drunken decision to get those tree limbs off the powerlines.

My death will have meaning. I know things.

Jugstore Cowboy said:

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Guitarsoup,

If I am ever found dead, I just want to get it out there:

-I am not suicidal
-I know important things about important people and the government
-Important people would feel threatened by the important things I know

So whatever happens to me, it will not be the result of poor health choices, mental instability, or a drunken decision to get those tree limbs off the powerlines.

My death will have meaning. I know things.

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Is this a bit or are you being serious right now

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Is this a bit or are you being serious right now

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Are you being serious right now?

I know things about local government that most people would never care about. I was responding to GS, and channeling conspiracy theorists who post **** like that.

*I thought the part about tree limbs would cover the intent.

Nothing in your links disputes that Underhill was right handed and shot on left side of head.

You don't know where he was shot, or if he was right handed, but you DO know it's KGB Propaganda.

That's some next level critical thinking right there!

I honestly can't think of anything easier to disprove. A gunshot wound location, and dominant hand. But you failed.

Is Sam Altman a KGB SPY pushing propaganda on ChatGBT?

Guitarsoup said:

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So the CIA killed him, but didn't kill all the people he blabbed to?

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And let him blab for 6 months before offing him?

Occam would have taken his razor and slit his wrists by now.

There's nothing new here or good. Some peripheral back ground stuff, but that's about it. For now.

But Christ, at least try and understand what you're reading.

FobTies said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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So the CIA killed him, but didn't kill all the people he blabbed to?

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And let him blab for 6 months before offing him?

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The guys Seth Rich told about HRC rigging the 2016 DNC weren't killed either.

We have no idea how or when the CIA might have figured Gary was a risk. But that is a good question to raise, along with the unanswered circumstances around his death.

No one is claiming the CIA shot JFK, it's always been their level of involvement. We know they withheld info to Warren Commission about their knowledge of Lee Harvey O., connections to mob, and ongoing efforts to assassinate Castro. We know they were involved with FBI in framing Trump for Russia Collusion treason, a coup to remove him from office. So there is a solid track record of conspiracy and cover up.

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Now we are talkin'!!!!

Jugstore Cowboy said:

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Is this a bit or are you being serious right now

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Are you being serious right now?

I know things about local government that most people would never care about. I was responding to GS, and channeling conspiracy theorists who post **** like that.

*I thought the part about tree limbs would cover the intent.

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It was funny and close enough to the real thing that I couldn't tell if I was laughing at a joke or not.

dp

You've spent a lot of bandwidth proving folks can't change your mind and you can't change theirs…

Not sure exactly what the constant back-and-forth is really accomplishing at this point, other than adding clutter to this thread for all of us to have to weed through…

Maybe take a break from the keyboard today?

FireAg said:

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You've spent a lot of bandwidth proving folks can't change your mind and you can't change theirs…

Not sure exactly what the constant back-and-forth is really accomplishing at this point, other than adding clutter to this thread for all of us to have to weed through…

Maybe take a break from the keyboard today?

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Interesting that you want the poster bringing factual information backed with links to references to take a break, but are okay with all the people posting unsourced rumors, innuendo and in some cases flat our falsehoods.

If you want to wallow in the conspiracies without having to weed through factual information, try renting Oliver Stone's JFK!

BMX Bandit said:

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brining factual information to the thread is not "Clutter"

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Depends on whether you're on the side that believes it to be factual or on the side that believes it to be manufactured…

All I'm going to say is this…

After the last 8 years of bull**** that certain factions in our government have worked tirelessly to get the masses to believe (and spent trillions of $ in the process), I'm not sure why it's so hard for some folks to accept that "facts" aren't always "truths"…

Let's not lose sight of the truth that modern social media has overtaken traditional media outlets for the populace getting a better sense of reality, and up until Musk took over X, "facts" were shaped by narratives being pushed by one side of the spectrum which was also acting in collusion with social media executives to suppress and censor the "other side of the narrative"…

Always love the argument about "how could so many people keep a secret in 1963" when it was painfully obvious in 2016-2023 that "keeping secrets" amongst a large portion of nefarious actors was actually quite easy as long as they those actors controlled the message to the people…

With social media the way it is this very morning, it's actually much harder to keep secrets today that it was back in 1963…