Joseph diGenova, a former lawyer for Trump, was among those whose personal information was disclosed. He said he is planning to sue the U.S. National Archives and Records Administration for violating privacy laws over concerns about identity theft. https://t.co/66K6JnF9gk pic.twitter.com/4m0IDspWzT

— Steve Lessner (@SteveLessner) March 21, 2025

There's a reason he was chosen to be exposed.

Charles Harrelson:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Harrelson

Spouses:
Nancy Hillman
Diane Lou Oswald
(m. 1959; div. 1964)
Jo Ann
Gina Adelle Foster

If someone could tie all these loose ends together you would have the greatest story ever told.

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Charles Harrelson:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Harrelson

Spouses:
Nancy Hillman
Diane Lou Oswald
(m. 1959; div. 1964)
Jo Ann
Gina Adelle Foster

If someone could tie all these loose ends together you would have the greatest story ever told.

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I don't think Woody's mom is related to LHO.

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In March 1965, the New York Times reported the CIA had contaminated 14,135 bags of Cuban sugar bound for Russia to “create discord between Cuban and Russian authorities” and JFK had to step in and turn the ship around. The CIA’s confession here remained redacted until March 2025 https://t.co/EhdHR90Iwm pic.twitter.com/Nvh7oduy8s

— Mike Benz (@MikeBenzCyber) March 21, 2025

I think the more interesting thing here are these files help show the depth and scope the cia and us govt were involved with regime change around the world, but especially with trying to get rid of castro.

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This type of document release tracks exactly with what Kash Patel said about the "JFK docs"!

Who?mikejones! said:

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In March 1965, the New York Times reported the CIA had contaminated 14,135 bags of Cuban sugar bound for Russia to “create discord between Cuban and Russian authorities” and JFK had to step in and turn the ship around. The CIA’s confession here remained redacted until March 2025 https://t.co/EhdHR90Iwm pic.twitter.com/Nvh7oduy8s

— Mike Benz (@MikeBenzCyber) March 21, 2025

I think the more interesting thing here are these files help show the depth and scope the cia and us govt were involved with regime change around the world, but especially with trying to get rid of castro.

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Now we are getting to the good stuff!

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Excerpt from above article on USDA agents homicide.

"Lowry issued the order after hearing two days of testimony, including that of a Texas Ranger who investigated Marshall's death.



When he died, Marshall was investigating the convoluted business dealings of Texas swindler Billie Sol Estes, who was later convicted and served a federal prison term for fraud.

Estes, 60, was arrested Tuesday in Abilene, Texas, on charges he sexually assaulted a woman he had hired as a maid. He posted a $10,000 bond and was released."

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/08/14/1961-suicide-ruling-changed-to-homicide/1010492840000/

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My distant cousin, Mac Wallace, was implicated as the trigger man ordered by Estes. He also had ties to LBJ and was believed to be one of his henchmen.

He died in a single car wreck in 1971.

They dropped 18000 more docs last night

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Who?mikejones! said:

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In March 1965, the New York Times reported the CIA had contaminated 14,135 bags of Cuban sugar bound for Russia to “create discord between Cuban and Russian authorities” and JFK had to step in and turn the ship around. The CIA’s confession here remained redacted until March 2025 https://t.co/EhdHR90Iwm pic.twitter.com/Nvh7oduy8s

— Mike Benz (@MikeBenzCyber) March 21, 2025

I think the more interesting thing here are these files help show the depth and scope the cia and us govt were involved with regime change around the world, but especially with trying to get rid of castro.

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I think the first document i posted showed quite of bit of the how we were trying to get cuba

Not quite @RepLuna. The "Heath memo" is NOT "the CIA rejected the lone gun theory in the weeks after the JFK assassination." It is asking Heath, a Miami-based CIA operative, to investigate whether there were assassination links to either Castro's Cuba or the Cuban exiles in the… https://t.co/VV3OLz2FYn

— Gerald Posner (@geraldposner) March 21, 2025

No surprise that Luna is twisting stuff around.

She already said that there was more than one gunman, in her opinion so now she's going to try to find "proof" to back it up.

I wonder when she's going to call the Warren Commission members to testify before the House.

And yes, I know they're all dead, but had no clue the were.

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In March 1965, the New York Times reported the CIA had contaminated 14,135 bags of Cuban sugar bound for Russia to “create discord between Cuban and Russian authorities” and JFK had to step in and turn the ship around. The CIA’s confession here remained redacted until March 2025 https://t.co/EhdHR90Iwm pic.twitter.com/Nvh7oduy8s

— Mike Benz (@MikeBenzCyber) March 21, 2025

I think the more interesting thing here are these files help show the depth and scope the cia and us govt were involved with regime change around the world, but especially with trying to get rid of castro.

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Yes. We have been a far less than a good actor at times where conflict stirring is concerned. Consider the takes on the ongoing mess in Europe and Syria in light of these findings and all the official lies on other matters 2021-24.

@titan see this doc I posted earlier. I don't know if all this stuff was public prior or not but I can imagine a world where the cia would want something like this public

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Cuba disruption is a part of the file

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Yes. Can see why would not. Ironically though, this may explain the paradox betweeen "what do they have to hide and why so long to release" about the assassinations have heard of the years -- and yet the strongly backable take there was no special conspiracy (Guitarsoup captures this take constantly and effectively).

For this kind of thing would explain someone like Pompeo saying "please don't release them" without it also meaning "because yes, JFK was an inside job or LBJ was a traitor."

This might answer that neatly.

(Still have very low regard for LBJ and do not put it past him, but the JFK event is a question of what happened, not capabilities)

Babylon Bee discovers the smoking gun.

https://babylonbee.com/news/cias-jfk-files-clearly-prove-cia-destroyed-all-their-incriminating-jfk-files?utm_source=The%20Babylon%20Bee%20Newsletter&utm_medium=email

A very good take from the WSJ about how the CIA’s ‘benign coverup’ of its reputation and spycraft after the JFK assassination morphed into today’s deep state conspiracy theories about who killed Kennedy.

“Trump’s promotion of the idea of a deep state has converted many on the… pic.twitter.com/cTYCzIvEb7

— Gerald Posner (@geraldposner) March 22, 2025

“What had been Oswald’s final destination?”
This is a question I ask in a footnote on p. 273 of Case Closed
“While no one can be certain, Warren Commission counsel David Belin had a plausible explanation that was in the draft of the Warren Report but did not make it into the… https://t.co/6uXDdoI89D

— Gerald Posner (@geraldposner) March 22, 2025

"What had been Oswald's final destination?"
This is a question I ask in a footnote on p. 273 of Case Closed
"While no one can be certain, Warren Commission counsel David Belin had a plausible explanation that was in the draft of the Warren Report but did not make it into the final publication. Oswald had walked nearly one mile before Tippit stopped him. At the time, Oswald, who had taken a transfer from the Marsalis bus, was only four blocks away from catching a route 55 bus, due to arrive at 1:40 P.M. That would have taken him to a point on Lancaster Road where a Greyhound was scheduled to leave at 3:30. The southbound Greyhound would have, with connections, gone to Monterrey, Mexico. While he had left Marina $170, almost all their life savings, he had $13.87 on him when arrested, just enough to pay for the trip to Mexico (draft, Chapter 6 of the Warren Report, August 7, 1964)."

I know I read that, but read that book decades ago. Pretty interesting.

Agree the WSJ article today is well done, both as to the roots of the Deep State and that it is politically beneficial to Trump to highlight this angle.

I spoke extensively to Lee’s brother, Robert, during my early 1990s research. He was unequivocally convinced that his brother had killed Kennedy. He visited Lee the first evening he was in jail. Their mother, Marguerite, went with Robert. Marina had been there earlier. What many… https://t.co/0tMbQl6kqT

— Gerald Posner (@geraldposner) March 22, 2025

I spoke extensively to Lee's brother, Robert, during my early 1990s research. He was unequivocally convinced that his brother had killed Kennedy. He visited Lee the first evening he was in jail. Their mother, Marguerite, went with Robert. Marina had been there earlier. What many people forget is that, as I write in Case Closed, "Everyone around Oswald was initially under suspicion."

Interesting also what some of those who interrogated Oswald later said about his demeanor. From Case Closed:

"Detective Richard Sims said, 'He was calm and wasn't nervous. … He had control of himself.'

'He was strung very tight,' recalls [District Attorney Bill] Alexander, 'but he was definitely under control, almost arrogant and cocky. He answered almost every question with another question, and never gave that much information. We were very careful not to mistreat him in any way. The world's press was just outside [Captain] Fritz's door, and when we walked him through the hallways, he would have been the first to yell if we had done something to him. But he was so smug in the way he dealt with the questions, at times I had to walk out of the room, because in another few minutes I was going to beat the **** out of him myself.'

'He struck me as a man who enjoyed the situation immensely,' remembered postal inspector Harry Holmes, 'and was enjoying the publicity and everything that was coming his way.'

Detective Jim Leavelle recalls, 'I never saw him raise his voice, and he seemed to answer questions easily. He had a smile a lot of the time, kind of a smirk, really, sort of like he knew something you didn't.'"

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A very good take from the WSJ about how the CIA’s ‘benign coverup’ of its reputation and spycraft after the JFK assassination morphed into today’s deep state conspiracy theories about who killed Kennedy.

“Trump’s promotion of the idea of a deep state has converted many on the… pic.twitter.com/cTYCzIvEb7

— Gerald Posner (@geraldposner) March 22, 2025

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What a bunch of horse***** I am so tired of reading comments from senile liberals who think everything is brand new and everything happens because of Trump. What in the ****; the JFK conspiracy theories started on November 23, 1963 and never slowed down. It was an "article of faith" among liberal boomer for decades that JFK was killed because he was too progressive, bold, and handsome. Now it's Trumpers who dreamed that up? Bull*****

It's true that a lot of old liberals and libertarians became Trump voters, but the things they believe are not new.

Jackie killed JFK, or his clone. With a .32 or .38 derringer under his chin. I read this in truth social so it has to be true

There is one glaring detail about JFK's wounds that those who dis-believe a conspiracy existed to murder him ignore: the gaping (orange size) hole in the back of JFK's head, and the fact that his brain fell out of his head onto the operating table, as witnessed to by the attending physician that day at Parkland Hospital, Dr. Robert McClelland: Assistant professor of surgery, who supported the idea that Kennedy had been shot from the front, potentially indicating a second gunman.

If you believe Dr. McClelland's account (as I do), then you know that multiple shooters were involved that day. Therefore, ALL of the impending drama and subsequent mayhem, including but not limited to Jack Ruby, Dorothy Kilgallen, Mac Wallace....(the list is endless) is reasonable and intended to simply confuse and distract the public from the truth. And it has succeeded for more than six decades!

https://www.google.com/search?q=d+Dr.+Robert+McClelland&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS955US955&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:eeb7a71c,vid:lQ435lMaCng,st:0

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There is one glaring detail about JFK's wounds that those who dis-believe a conspiracy existed to murder him ignore: the gaping (orange size) hole in the back of JFK's head, and the fact that his brain fell out of his head onto the operating table, as witnessed to by the attending physician that day at Parkland Hospital, Dr. Robert McClelland: Assistant professor of surgery, who supported the idea that Kennedy had been shot from the front, potentially indicating a second gunman.

If you believe Dr. McClelland's account (as I do), then you know that multiple shooters were involved that day. Therefore, ALL of the impending drama and subsequent mayhem, including but not limited to Jack Ruby, Dorothy Kilgallen, Mac Wallace....(the list is endless) is reasonable and intended to simply confuse and distract the public from the truth. And it has succeeded for more than six decades!

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The problem with McClelland's account is that the other doctors at Parkland refute it. Admiral Buckley refutes it. The doctors at the autopsy refute it. The X-Rays and photographs at the autopsy refute it. There is no evidence that the x-rays or autopsy photos have been manipulated in anyway, and they have been examined for decades.

McClelland also reported he thought there was an entry wound on JFK's forehead, which there is conclusively not. McClelland reports the neck wound as an exit. But there is no support for his idea that there was an entry wound on JFK's forehead from any other doctor, witness, the photographs, the X-Rays, etc.



Given all other testimony and evidence we have, McClelland's opinions are clearly outliers, and while he may believe them the totality of evidence does not support it, unless you can somehow prove that the autopsy photos and x-rays have been faked or otherwise manipulated. But again, there is no evidence of that.

Have you watched the video posted? Do you not find it compelling? There are photographs of JFK body post Morten that support Dr. McClelland's assertions. Lastly, the original, unedited Zapruder film is absolute proof that the fatal shot came from JFK's front.

But if you're not inclined to believe Dr. McClelland's account, then we'll just hafta agree to disagree. I was 14 in 1963. I have followed this story closely for 6 decades. It remains the single biggest lie (of many) perpetrated by our government against the citizens of this nation. I continue to have faith it will one day be exposed. Sadly, too many people continue to stand in the way of that truth coming to light.

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Have you watched the video posted? Do you not find it compelling? There are photographs of JFK body post Morten that support Dr. McClelland's assertions. Lastly, the original, unedited Zapruder film is absolute proof that the fatal shot came from JFK's front.

But if you're not inclined to believe Dr. McClelland's account, then we'll just hafta agree to disagree. I was 14 in 1963. I have followed this story closely for 6 decades. It remains the single biggest lie (of many) perpetrated by our government against the citizens of this nation. I continue to have faith it will one day be exposed. Sadly, too many people continue to stand in the way of that truth coming to light.

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I have watched many video interviews with McClelland as well as the other doctors including that one. I've read all their testimony.

He believes something and I do not believe he is lying. But I also do not believe he is correct. His statements are not backed up by the photographs, the x-rays, the other doctors that worked on JFK.



And again, he believes that JFK was shot in the forehead. There are absolutely no post mortem photographs or X-rays that support that belief. If you think there are post mortem photos or xrays that show a forehead entrance wound, by all means produce it.

But you also have to look at McClelland's contemporaneous accounts.


Prior to his Warren Commission Testimony, McClelland wrote in the Texas State Journal of Medicine:

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"the cause of death was the massive head and brain injury from a gunshot wound of the right side of the head." Dr. Bob McClelland

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This was in that NYT article from 1964 that I linked above, but was quoted from Dr. McClelland's own words in the peer reviewed article below:

THREE PATIENTS AT PARKLAND.

• Published: Texas State Journal of Medicine, 1964, Vol. 60, p60-74
• By: PEAVY JE
• ISSN: 0096-7165

Dr. Michael Baden:

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"X-rays and autopsy photos show that although there was damage to the cerebrum, the cerebellum was intact. Any doctors at Parkland, none of whom were pathologists, who said they saw damage to the cerebellum were wrong. They saw some brain tissue on Kennedy's hair and they incorrectly assumed it was cerebellum tissue."
Reclaiming History, Bugliosi, pg 791

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Dr. Pepper Jenkins, who was a doctor in the room with Kennedy said this after observing the autopsy photos and X-Rays:

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"the photos showed the President's brain was crenelated from the trauma, and it resembled cerebellum, but it was not cerebellar tissue. I think it has thrown off a lot of people that saw it."
Case Closed, Posner p313

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Additionally in the peer reviewed Journal of American Medicine Association, Dennis Breo reported after interviewing Dr. Jenkins [JFK's death, Part II, p2807]:

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when Jenkins wrote in his 1963 report that the "cerebellum had been blown out, he meant cerebrum."

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Then we also have Dr. Carrico who was in the OR with Jenkins and McClelland:

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"Looking at the shredded pieces of brain on the gurney, it looked like some of it had the characteristics of cerebellum, which kind of has a wavy surface. But because these brain pieces were shredded, this could easily have led to confusion as to whether it was all cerebrumwhich has broader bands across the surfaceor some cerebellum."
Bugliosi p793

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So again, you are welcome to believe what you want. But when we take all the evidence and all the testimonies into account, McClelland is a clear outlier in his opinions and there is absolutely no support from any other evidence, photograph, X-Ray or witness that there was an entrance wound on JFK's forehead.

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Condescension duly noted. Right back atcha, as you've obviously taken your own advice.

Doctors do not misremember incidents like "the brains of a US President spilling out onto the operating table in full view".

He would not imagine seeing a "gaping 5" hole, the size of an ORANGE, at the rear of JFK's head. Such a wound COULD NOT RESULT from a bullet entering from the rear!

What was Jackie Kennedy retrieving from the trunk lid of the limousine immediately after the fatal shot, captured on the Zapruder film? It was the back of his skull that she continued to clutch in her hands all the while the Drs. worked to save the life of a doomed man.

I've seen and heard more than enough evidence to convince me that what k believe is true. Nothing you have ever posted here or elsewhere can disabuse me of what I know to be true.

I'm only left to wonder what has convinced you to believe what you have chosen to believe. But I actually do not spend one minute of time pondering that nor other fantasies.

I know the motivations of folks like the guy who came up with the "magic bullet theory" (late senator from Pennsylvania, name escapes me now), and J Edgar Hoover , who facilitated this charade. They realized significant political power among other things. But I can only imagine the motivations of people who see (or refuse to see) what I have and still remain unconvinced of the conspiracies, both then and now. But that is the world we live in.

That was Arlen Specter, I believe.

I come down more aligned with what Boerne is saying, not due to any physical evidence or writings about such that I have read or seen - other than my viewing of the original Zapruder film. What my eyes see with that footage is the back of Kennedy's head exploding and how his head lurches back, and that doesn't happen without a shot to the front.

I'm not going to engage in any name calling or such. I believe what I believe. Others can believe what they believe. I'm not interested enough to spend the amount of time necessary to read through everything ever written about the assassination, such as Guitar has done, and I won't proclaim to be an expert on this topic.

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No condescension at all. You fully believe one singular person's recollection. While doing that, you reject all photographic evidence, all x-rays, and the recollection and contemporaneous reports of that singular doctor as well as every other doctor involved.

I have chosen to take into account all evidence and witness accounts and find that when one person's opinion is at odds with the opinions of a dozen+ other people and the actual evidence we have, that one person is probably mistaken.

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Why did his opinion change over the years? If Doctors do not misremember, why is his memory at odds with the memory of every other doctor and medical professional in the room? Is everyone else misremembering except McClelland?

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He would not imagine seeing a "gaping 5" hole, the size of an ORANGE, at the rear of JFK's head. Such a wound COULD NOT RESULT from a bullet entering from the rear!

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His own words to the Peer Reviewed Texas State Journal of Medicine vol 60 in 1964 conflict with this.

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What was Jackie Kennedy retrieving from the trunk lid of the limousine immediately after the fatal shot, captured on the Zapruder film? It was the back of his skull that she continued to clutch in her hands all the while the Drs. worked to save the life of a doomed man.

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Yes, skull and brain fragments.

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I've seen and heard more than enough evidence to convince me that what k believe is true. Nothing you have ever posted here or elsewhere can disabuse me of what I know to be true.

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I have no doubt of that.

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I'm only left to wonder what has convinced you to believe what you have chosen to believe. But I actually do not spend one minute of time pondering that nor other fantasies.

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I made my opinion by doing significant and on going research. If more evidence comes to light that conflicts with the evidence and testimony that we have, I would love to see it.

But when you have conflicting testimony from multiple credible witnesses, you have to consider what details are consistent, what details are inconsistent, and what weight to give them. Because we have photographs, x-rays, and over a dozen trained medical experts, I have chosen to assign weight appropriately to the most consistent witnesses.

You still have not addressed the fact that Dr. McClelland believes in a forehead shot and that belief is not held by any other doctor, any photo, or any x-ray.

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I know the motivations of folks like the guy who came up with the "magic bullet theory" (late senator from Pennsylvania, name escapes me now), and J Edgar Hoover , who facilitated this charade. They realized significant political power among other things. But I can only imagine the motivations of people who see (or refuse to see) what I have and still remain unconvinced of the conspiracies, both then and now. But that is the world we live in.

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We were talking about the head wound, and now you have gone to the back/neck wound, which is a separate wound.

Your own favorite doctor, Bob McClelland, has said that the neck wound on Kennedy was an exit wound. So if Dr. McClelland is correct and the bullet went from JFK's upper back through his neck - where did it travel afterwards?



If a bullet entered his upper back just to the right of his spine and exited through the center of his lower throat just as Bob McClelland has said - tell me where the trajectory of that bullet is and where we can find it.

I think it helps to understand where difference of opinion comes from.

Person A might find one doctor trustworthy, while Person B does not.

Person B might think 4 people's testimonies are enough to overrule 2 others conflicting testimonies, while Person A might think that's not conclusive enough.

And yes, some people might have an agenda, like supporting a narrative that the government has been manipulating and covering up things for decades, or weaponizing our government against elected leaders and bringing all this to light would be damning for the government and even possibly help justify current and future actions (e.g. justification of Trump and what he's doing to clean house).

I really struggle with the last point, because I do believe the government has done some really bad things, and government is held more accountable to corporations and institutions than they are their constituents. So finding out the CIA or the FBI or whoever else was involved would really fit the narrative I want and believe to be real.

But that has to be balanced with what the facts show.

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Yet mistaken descriptions of what the Parkland doctors did and saw continue to be published. High Treason asserts that some doctors examined the wound with a flashlight and that Dr. Jenkins picked the head up from the stretcher to show other doctors the extent of the rear wound.90 The eight principal doctors who attended to JFK on that day all told the author that such reports were false. Moreover, Groden and Livingstone cite early interviews and some testimony before the Warren Commission to support their hypothesis that the Parkland doctors saw a different head wound than the one described at Bethesda.* Yet the Parkland physicians, in their discussions with the author, were almost unanimous in supporting the autopsy findings that the massive exit wound was on the right side (parietal) of the President's head, not the rear (occipital), and that there was no sign of damaged cerebellum tissue. They insisted that the explainable differences in the wound descriptions between them and the Bethesda doctors have been exploited by conspiracy writers, who created a controversy where none exists. Some admitted that their early statements about the wounds, which they now consider to be mistaken, may have contributed to the confusion.

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Doctors do not have superhuman memory powers. They're as human as the rest of us.

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The only Parkland doctors who still believe they saw a wound in the rear of the head, as well as seeing cerebellum, are Robert McClelland and Charles Crenshaw. "I saw a piece of cerebellum fall out on the stretcher," says McClelland, who claims he was in the best position of any of the doctors to view the head wound.98 He drew a sketch in 1967 for Josiah Thompson's book Six Seconds in Dallas, which showed a gaping wound in the rear of the head.99 "I am astonished that Bob would say that," says Dr. Malcolm Perry. "It shows such poor judgment, and usually he has such good judgment."100 "I don't think Bob McClelland was in the best place to see the head wound," says Dr. Peters. "He wasn't in that position the way I remember it, as he was on the other side of the table. As for Dr. McClelland saying he saw cerebellum fall out on the table, I never saw anything like that."

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Just curious, you folks who believe the headshot came from the front, where did it come from and where did the shooter go after the shot?