Trump-Vance-Zelenskyy

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Infection_Ag11 said:

My only complaint is this shouldn't happen in front of the cameras. This kind of heated exchange has been common forever among leaders of nations, but it needs to happen behind closed doors.
I tend to agree. Now this has become fodder for the MSM, podcasts, bulletin boards to go off the rails.
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richardag said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

My only complaint is this shouldn't happen in front of the cameras. This kind of heated exchange has been common forever among leaders of nations, but it needs to happen behind closed doors.
I tend to agree. Now this has become fodder for the MSM, podcasts, bulletin boards to go off the rails.
Many in the USA are too stupid to realize that it was ZELENSKY who wanted to have this out in front of the cameras

there is literally NO conservative who would ever say:

"sure I want transparency in the government

but would prefer to have Zelensky stab us in the back in private so the mainstream media can then blame Trump"
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richardag said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

My only complaint is this shouldn't happen in front of the cameras. This kind of heated exchange has been common forever among leaders of nations, but it needs to happen behind closed doors.
I tend to agree. Now this has become fodder for the MSM, podcasts, bulletin boards to go off the rails.
That is not how diplomacy works. Hasn't been for years.

Deputies for each meet for days and weeks, months to hammer out a deal, an agreement. Only then the do the principals come out (in suits) shake hands. crow about the deal "they" worked out, have a nice lunch and life goes on.

So Trump had been assured there was a deal in place the day before. He and Vance went in with that understanding but Zelensky veered way off script.

Sooo what happened? Zelensky had a meeting with selected members of Congress, Coons, Klobuchar AND Lindsay BEFORE he went to the WH. Did that change Zelensky's mind about honoring the deal that had been struck?

But Lindsay rushing out to condemn the conduct of Zelensky in record time? He's been to Ukraine what? A dozen times since Feb 2022? Confusing optics from Lindsay.
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Both Trump and Zelensky were rumored to have a deal done twice only to have Zelensky back out after Trump left. Think Trump thought if they made the deal in front of the press that he wouldn't back out again. But Zelensky went full tard once again.

As long as Zelensky is getting money he is happy, if not he acts like a child and bounces around from adult to adult until someone tells him yes
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Somehow I don't think that is how President Trump operates. I think he makes the deals.
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smstork1007 said:

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LMCane said:

I find it inconceivable that Zelensky is doubling down, tripling down, four times quadrupling down

his disrespect of the President and the United States.

he literally seems to believe that standing up to the USA will make him a war hero or something back home in Ukraine

I have literally in 54 years never seen a world leader take such disastrous public relations steps

other than the Palestinians.


I suspect he knows that any "deal" Trump will give him is just surrender at this point. Especially with Trump demanding nothing at all from Russia. He doesn't need a deal to get that and might as well save face with the Euros and get what he can out of them.


I'm about 100% positive no one on this message board, including you, have any idea what has gone on in the discussion with Russia, and what they might be required to give up. I'm all for you defending your side/point in this, but you can't just outright make stuff up you know nothing about.
I believe you are correct.
I believe what it boils down to is does anyone believe Putin, or the leaders following him, stop with just part of Ukraine. After which does Putin have aspirations of reforming the Soviet Union.
How strong are the Western European nations now and in the future, seems they are on the decline with a plethora of internal problems.
Western civilization needs to get their **** together quickly.
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I think if Kiev had fallen quickly, things would have gotten sporty real quick with Biden at the helm.
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Zobel said:

Somehow I don't think that is how President Trump operates. I think he makes the deals.
Disagree. He'll meet for the initial exploratory conversation with a peer principal but the details of the deals themselves are done by deputies, with his guidance.

And by guidance I mean the exact parameters. Go, No Go.
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Britain has only 39 more tanks than Buzbee!
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Once tempers cool and minds get rational again, they will both work out a deal.

Trump does not want to fail to stop the war. I think he could have kept his eye on the ball rather than Z's nonsense. The goal was to stop the war and US get paid via minerals. That is it. Whether Z wore a suit or came in just in his undies is immaterial.
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rootube said:

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He's a hero because when the entire western world was making plans to give Ukraine to Russia and was negotiating his exile. He held his country together
I hope he's searching real estate brochures for where he's going to spend his exile now.



Maybe. The last time the experts planned his exile he proceeded to whip Russia's a**. My guess is we have galvanized all of Ukraine and Europe against the United States and Russia and they are probably going to finish the job which is fine but we have given up soft power in Europe. Something we have dominated since the end of WWII.

Leftists pretending to be military strategists is the most hilarious thing to watch..

oh really?!

so it has been LITERALLY three years of Ukraine at war with Russia and every day for the last six months the Russians gain more Uke territory.

that is WITH $178 Billion in US military aid and thousands of our weapons.

but this genius thinks "now Europe and Ukraine are going to finish the job without the USA"

so Ukraine hasn't been able to push back the Russians WITH American aid, but will suddenly be able to win the war WITHOUT American aid?!?!?
I'm not certain Ukraine will win without our help at all. I think we may have inadvertently convinced Europe to support Ukraine. Is that enough, will they actually follow through? Who knows.

You suggesting that Russia is somehow winning this war is kind of funny. Russia is stuck between a meat grinder and a failing economy. Militarily they have embarrassed themselves and Ukraine has done some pretty phenomenal things making do with less.
We also do not know what leverage President Trump's Administration may be considering using against Russia & Putin. I doubt Zelenski nor NATO would know.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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sam callahan said:

Britain has only 39 more tanks than Buzbee!
What?
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Old McDonald said:

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the way trump has handled ukraine so far is roosevelt urging churchill to sue hitler for peace on any terms, and demanding england's coal reserves in return. shameful.
You have no plan other than Trump bad give Ukraine money. That's shameful
and trump has no plan other than give putin what he wants and hope he doesn't do it again. unamerican and cowardly.
Would appreciate your citing these plans on giving Putin what he wants.
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Old McDonald said:

RafterAg223 said:

Old McDonald said:

backintexas2013 said:

Old McDonald said:

the way trump has handled ukraine so far is roosevelt urging churchill to sue hitler for peace on any terms, and demanding england's coal reserves in return. shameful.


You have no plan other than Trump bad give Ukraine money. That's shameful
and trump has no plan other than give putin what he wants and hope he doesn't do it again. unamerican and cowardly.
The only reason this is going on is because your walking vegetable became president.
we can dispense with this talking point now. considering how ardently trump and his admin have allied themselves with putin throughout this conflict, had he been president in 2022 the russian flag would be flying over kiev today.
I believe those Javelin missiles and other lethal aid the Trump Administration supplied did one hell of a lot of damage to the Russian military, including tanks, APCs, fuel trucks.
You may want to reconsider your stance especially since the Obama Administration only supplied blankets and other nonlethal aid.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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These are all great.
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Heineken-Ashi said:

Old McDonald said:

RafterAg223 said:

Old McDonald said:

backintexas2013 said:

Old McDonald said:

the way trump has handled ukraine so far is roosevelt urging churchill to sue hitler for peace on any terms, and demanding england's coal reserves in return. shameful.


You have no plan other than Trump bad give Ukraine money. That's shameful
and trump has no plan other than give putin what he wants and hope he doesn't do it again. unamerican and cowardly.
The only reason this is going on is because your walking vegetable became president.
we can dispense with this talking point now. considering how ardently trump and his admin have allied themselves with putin throughout this conflict, had he been president in 2022 the russian flag would be flying over kiev today.
Trump was president for 4 years. Weird, Putin didn't bother invading until after he was gone..
Not only that the Trump Administration
  • ended the ISIS caliphate in months, after President Obama declared it could never be removed
  • help the establishment of 3 Middle East peace treaties
  • didn't involve the U.S. in any new wars
  • got the North Korean dictator to stop sending ballistic missiles over Japanese territory.
Seems the Trump Administration's peace through strength was working. WTH happened, everyone knows what happened, the money laundering Democratic Party leadership happened.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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aggiehawg said:

richardag said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

My only complaint is this shouldn't happen in front of the cameras. This kind of heated exchange has been common forever among leaders of nations, but it needs to happen behind closed doors.
I tend to agree. Now this has become fodder for the MSM, podcasts, bulletin boards to go off the rails.
But Lindsay rushing out to condemn the conduct of Zelensky in record time? He's been to Ukraine what? A dozen times since Feb 2022? Confusing optics from Lindsay.


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One of the most striking things about yesterday's Zelensky press conference was Lindsey Graham's reaction to it. The two are old friends, but Graham disavowed him within the hour. This was more than just transactional disloyalty. It was scapegoating. Lindsey Graham knows what's coming.

Over the past three years, with the tacit support of its western patrons, the Ukrainian government has committed a remarkable number of serious crimes. The Ukrainians sold huge quantities of American weapons on the international black market at twenty cents on the dollar. These weapons are now in the hands of armed groups around the world, including Hamas, the Mexican drug cartels and the forces now controlling Syria.

God knows what the Ukrainians have done with the pathogens in American biolabs in their country. Even US intel agencies aren't sure. The Ukrainians have also murdered a number of people in various countries in political assassinations, and tried to murder others, including American journalists and a European head of state. This is all true, and it's all going to come out at some point. Better to start blaming it on Zelensky now.

I can't believe there are actually college educated people on this forum defeding this asshat Zelensky.
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The real question at issue today is not 'why did that happen' but…what now?

Ideally, Trump now can move forward with peace and then to drop out of nato. Then, the world would quickly realize that NATO holds no value.

Without the threat of the US military backing/access to US taxpayer money, NATO becomes arguably irrelevant, and trade negotiations (obviously Trump's focus this year) shift dramatically.
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Did I really have a choice?
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Horn_in_Aggieland said:



Wow!


These 2 dudes are some clowns
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I have to admit, I find this rapid flurry of surprising statements by Trump to be confusing. This video has helped clarify what Trump might really be after in the bigger picture.

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Geminiv said:

Horn_in_Aggieland said:



Wow!


These 2 dudes are some clowns
Bookmarked for when this idiocy is ended under Trump you can come back and apologize to the board.
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What's being overlooked here is that this minerals deal has already been ratified by the Ukrainian Parliament and can be completed without Zelensky having signed it.

However Trump has said he wants Zelensky's signature on it. Not sure if that's Trump wanting Zelensky to acknowledge Trump's power in this move, and or payback for the phone call fiasco that led to impeachment number one and the fact the Zelensky did the phot ops for the Harris Campaign in Pennsylvania last year.

I believe Zelensky knows he's just a figurehead in this deal and decided to show his ass for the media.
"We're going to turn this red Prius into a soup kitchen!"
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From Grok:

The claim that the U.S.-Ukraine minerals deal has already been ratified by the Ukrainian Parliament and can be completed without Zelensky's signature requires careful examination, as the available information does not fully support this as a definitive fact. Here's an analysis based on what is known as of March 1, 2025:
The minerals deal between the U.S. and Ukraine, often referred to in the context of critical minerals and rare earth elements, has been a subject of intense negotiation. Reports indicate that a framework agreement was reached by late February 2025, with the intent to establish a Reconstruction Investment Fund leveraging Ukraine's natural resources. This framework was described as a preliminary step, with a subsequent "Fund Agreement" requiring ratification by the Ukrainian Parliament (the Verkhovna Rada) under Ukrainian law, specifically the Law of Ukraine "On International Treaties of Ukraine." Zelensky himself noted on February 26, 2025, that this framework was agreed upon but emphasized that the full agreement still hinged on further talks, particularly regarding security guarantees, and that parliamentary ratification was a necessary step for the comprehensive package.
However, there is no clear, conclusive evidence in the available sources that the Ukrainian Parliament had already ratified the deal by March 1, 2025, such that it could be completed without Zelensky's signature. Several news outlets, including the Kyiv Independent and AP, reported that the framework was in place by late February, and Trump announced Zelensky's planned visit to Washington on February 28, 2025, to sign a deal. Yet, after a contentious meeting on February 28, the White House confirmed the deal was not signed, suggesting unresolved issues. Ukrainian Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal stated on February 25 that a "final version" had been agreed upon, but he tied its implementation to security guarantees, implying further steps were needed.
The claim that ratification had already occurred and that the deal could proceed without Zelensky's signature seems to stem from posts on X and possibly misinterpretations of the process. Ukrainian law typically requires the president to sign international agreements into effect after parliamentary ratification, especially for binding treaties. The minerals deal, as described, involves a two-stage process: a bilateral framework (which may not require parliamentary approval if non-binding) and a detailed Fund Agreement (which does). Without official confirmation from Ukrainian governmental sources or the Verkhovna Rada's recordsnone of which are explicitly cited in the available data as having completed ratification by March 1it's premature to assert that the deal is fully ratified and enforceable without Zelensky.
What's being overlooked, or perhaps overstated, is the distinction between the framework and the final agreement. The framework might not need Zelensky's signature to exist as a preliminary accord, but the operational Fund Agreement, which involves significant resource commitments, likely does require both parliamentary ratification and presidential approval to be legally binding. Posts on X claiming the Parliament had already ratified "the mineral deal" may conflate these stages or assume a ratification vote occurred without public documentation.
In conclusion, it's not definitively true that the deal has been ratified by the Ukrainian Parliament and can be completed without Zelensky's signature based on current evidence. The process appears incomplete as of March 1, 2025, with ratification still pending or unclear, and Zelensky's role remains critical under Ukrainian legal norms. More concrete updates from official Ukrainian or U.S. sources would be needed to confirm the status. Posts on X suggesting otherwise reflect sentiment or speculation rather than verified fact.
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Geminiv said:

Horn_in_Aggieland said:



Wow!


These 2 dudes are some clowns


Your TDS clouds you. Vance was talking about the last 4 years. Nothing at Zelensky.
Zelensky took umbrage at Negotiations and went after Vance directly and in the White House where he is begging for money and weapons. That **** might have worked with the usual ****s in Democrat administrations.

He got the appropriate response. Zelensky is an emperor with no clothes. And for all the public posturing. Europe ain't gonna be able to do **** without the US. It was collosal stupidity on Zelenskys part. He was the only one with something to lose. And did so pretty spectacularly


The days of acting like an ******* to the US and demanding money are done.
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Z is a marxist. Check how much money that we have put in his bank account. Z has played us, biden, like a fool.
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Z was extorting FJB and half of our elected government with his intimate knowledge of their money laundering operations. Maybe hard to call it extortion per se, but there was certainly a quid pro quo relationship running the money side of the war.
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mjschiller said:

Z is a marxist. Check how much money that we have put in his bank account. Z has played us, biden, like a fool.
Perhaps.
But want to point out that none of that is relevant from the Ukranian perspective.
The man was in the US to get the backing of the new US President. He failed spectacularly. He let his personal feelings and ego get in the way of what was needed for Ukraine.

Now , he can resign, come back with his tail between his legs, or depend on Europe - which doesn't have the capacity to support a perennial stalemate with Russia.

Also, if Zelensky is smart, he will replace his Ambassador to the US. She is allied too closely with the Democrats.
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aggiehawg said:

Zobel said:

Somehow I don't think that is how President Trump operates. I think he makes the deals.
Disagree. He'll meet for the initial exploratory conversation with a peer principal but the details of the deals themselves are done by deputies, with his guidance.

And by guidance I mean the exact parameters. Go, No Go.


You are correct.
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He may be many things, but he's definitely not smart. Check out this redstate article about his latest rantings to pressure Trump via his X account. Brilliant plan, there vlad.

An outcome of the Zelensky Oval Office theater even has some sane voices reflecting on the reality of the situation now within Europe.

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Europe: "We gotta pay for Ukraine ourselves?"



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Zelensky met with Murphy and company before the Oval Office meeting and the incident that occurred in the Oval Office was pre planned at this meeting on the hill


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This Chris Murphy is a damn dumbass. He set the little ukranian monkey up to fail in the meeting with
Trump. NATO can't replace the weaponry , European countries can't replace the ammo needed. Zelensky didn't have a leg to stand on.

But Murphy set him up to throw his little political tantrum to embarrass Trump. Now Murphy is crying like the little _itch that he is. Zelensky hadno choice. He screwed up royally and needs to be removed from the picture. Beggars can't be choosers and Zelensky is the biggest beggar this century has seen.

Trump should wash his hands of the whole matter and throw it back to Europe to resolve. If the want to send troops to duke it out with the North Koreans or whomever then that's perfect.

The peace process is dead. The US should cut bait with Zelensky and stay the hell out. And not one damn dime to sink into the money pit of a country.
 
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