Phatbob said:

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This is a good example of the difference between "America First" and "We can pretend the rest of the world doesn't exist". Yours is the latter, with the caveat of "The only thing outside our borders that exists are those dastardly Jews"

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This kind of nonsense is like Ags supporting losing coaches or repetitive bad play calling. If you dont support the Iran war, you are a jew hating bad American. If you criticize bad coaching, you are a bad Ag who is rooting for the other team. Its dumb.

We are the global reserve currency, own the tech industry, and have powerful influence with ME allies. What makes us great is our economic strength and ability to flex that against our advisaries.

It will be interesting to pull up all these F16 gung ho war posts, later on if/when the war gets played out and the costs start surfacing. Until then, keep posting about how people like me hate bald eagles and jews. Its still very early. Reminds me of when people like me were called "Putin puppets" for criticizing US involvment in Ukraine's war.

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Are you sure there will be no boots on the ground. CNN was breathlessly doing a 5 person round table discussing if this conflict will lead to a draft and whether "American parents watching right now need to be worried about your sons and daughters being drafted to fight Trump's war".

Good God lying fear mongering ignorant Democrats and their sycophantic media wing are insufferable.

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we LITERALLY have CNN reporting from an enemy capitol during wartime

explaining how the country we are at war with are suffering so badly from environmental damage and risks to their civilians!!

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Not just CNN but NBC and likely other networks also. This is their tactic when a Republican is in charge. Blow up all the negatives of war and minimize the accomplishments. It was insane how fast after the Oct 7th terrorist attack on Israel, they switched from the horror of that to the daily stories on some Palestinian child in the hospital because of the Israeli response.

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Phatbob said:

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This is a good example of the difference between "America First" and "We can pretend the rest of the world doesn't exist". Yours is the latter, with the caveat of "The only thing outside our borders that exists are those dastardly Jews"

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This kind of nonsense is like Ags supporting losing coaches or repetitive bad play calling. If you dont support the Iran war, you are a jew hating bad American. If you criticize bad coaching, you are a bad Ag who is rooting for the other team. Its dumb.

We are the global reserve currency, own the tech industry, and have powerful influence with ME allies. What makes us great is our economic strength and ability to flex that against our advisaries.

It will be interesting to pull up all these F16 gung ho war posts, later on if/when the war gets played out and the costs start surfacing. Until then, keep posting about how people like me hate bald eagles and jews. Its still very early. Reminds me of when people like me were called "Putin puppets" for criticizing US involvment in Ukraine's war.

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You're proving my point. Economic strength is not the only thing that the world runs on, and relying solely on that instead of our military strength (which is what actually allows our world economic strength) would last about 5 years or less. The rest of the world wouldn't just bow down to the US economically without military strength, because they don't compete that way, and it is naive to think they would. I know you deep down understand that, but you rationalize the necessary need for military strength by blaming Israel.

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Phatbob said:

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This is a good example of the difference between "America First" and "We can pretend the rest of the world doesn't exist". Yours is the latter, with the caveat of "The only thing outside our borders that exists are those dastardly Jews"

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This kind of nonsense is like Ags supporting losing coaches or repetitive bad play calling. If you dont support the Iran war, you are a jew hating bad American. If you criticize bad coaching, you are a bad Ag who is rooting for the other team. Its dumb.

We are the global reserve currency, own the tech industry, and have powerful influence with ME allies. What makes us great is our economic strength and ability to flex that against our advisaries.

It will be interesting to pull up all these F16 gung ho war posts, later on if/when the war gets played out and the costs start surfacing. Until then, keep posting about how people like me hate bald eagles and jews. Its still very early. Reminds me of when people like me were called "Putin puppets" for criticizing US involvment in Ukraine's war.

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You're proving my point. Economic strength is not the only thing that the world runs on, and relying solely on that instead of our military strength (which is what actually allows our world economic strength) would last about 5 years or less. The rest of the world wouldn't just bow down to the US economically without military strength, because they don't compete that way, and it is naive to think they would. I know you deep down understand that, but you rationalize the necessary need for military strength by blaming Israel.

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This is exactly right. Our money is backed by weapons and the ability to put those weapons to use. That is what underpins our economic dominance. We control the shipping lanes and have for 80 years.

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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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totally undermine the "America First" movement

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You know what else undermines America First?

A nation that specifies "death to America" producing nuclear weapons and then launching them at NYC or elsewhere in the States.

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They've been a week away from those nukes for 30 years and apparently we've been at war with them for 47. Thank goodness their reign of terror and our fear of New York being nuked by Iran will finally be alleviated!

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No, they have not been a week away for 30 years. A nuke has long been their goal, but it was a future problem. Presidential administrations were this able to kick the can down the road. But when Obama gave those lunatics pallets of cash, that road shortened.

How close are they? I don't know, but at some point they have to be dealt with. If we don't then I guarantee that at the very least they will nuke targets in Israel. I don't give two ****s about NYC but I also don't want any American city nuked.

It is either the height of arrogance or abject naivety to think these people won't use a nuke should they get one.

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C) Trump ends the current bombing campaign at some point in the next few weeks, declares success on what our goals were, and rightfully says Iranian people now have to make their choices as to whether they want to be a peaceful neighbor to the world or be on the receiving end of another bombing run.

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Hate to break it to you, but it's really not up to him when the fighting stops. That requires the Iranian regime to act rationally and also stop missiles and drones when the American bombing runs stop, and I'm not sure they are rational enough to do that.

Possible outcome, if they're stupid, is a total squeeze on their financial circumstances due to slowing/ceasing flow of oil due to their activities, a cessation of payments to their IRGC agents as a consequence, non-true believers that were looking for status swapping sides and a civil uprising that goes on for years.

Dear compatriots,

We are now at the decisive stage of our final struggle.

I urge you to secure your essential provisions as soon as possible, and for your own safety, withdraw from the streets and remain in your homes. Continue to strike and do not show up for work. Continue… https://t.co/xiA43w2qom

— Reza Pahlavi (@PahlaviReza) March 11, 2026

Rational people understand that Iran would nuke Israel if given the chance and capability. It is an absolute certainty IMHO. The Mullahs place near zero value on human life.

//The Straits of Hormuz(SOH) is the obvious determinent of successful strategy in this conflict. It's a visual indicator to monetary markets of nominal expectations of current market prices/forces. It also has political implications as China, India, Japan and others rely on a consistent flow. This open/closed potential SOH propaganda play is being currently manipulating the global energy markets. Media headlining leads the SOH is closed by clandestine sea mine insertion is designed to panic markets while US warships SOH transitions remain unreported to protect military opsec. SOH viability should be a key to returning to anew normally in energy markets.//just my thoughts//

Iran Regime Official on State TV:

“We kill all who oppose us,” pic.twitter.com/5jXqxfszFy

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) March 11, 2026

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LMCane said:

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Are you sure there will be no boots on the ground. CNN was breathlessly doing a 5 person round table discussing if this conflict will lead to a draft and whether "American parents watching right now need to be worried about your sons and daughters being drafted to fight Trump's war".

Good God lying fear mongering ignorant Democrats and their sycophantic media wing are insufferable.

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we LITERALLY have CNN reporting from an enemy capitol during wartime

explaining how the country we are at war with are suffering so badly from environmental damage and risks to their civilians!!

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Not just CNN but NBC and likely other networks also. This is their tactic when a Republican is in charge. Blow up all the negatives of war and minimize the accomplishments. It was insane how fast after the Oct 7th terrorist attack on Israel, they switched from the horror of that to the daily stories on some Palestinian child in the hospital because of the Israeli response.

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with the leftist media it has been this way in every war since World War Two

and that was likely only because there was no television stations or video.

even in Korea the media was against the United Nations- much less Vietnam starting in 1966-67

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Iran Regime Official on State TV:

“We kill all who oppose us,” pic.twitter.com/5jXqxfszFy

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) March 11, 2026

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I give this guy 12 hours

🚨BREAKING: A MASSIVE attack just hit the main data center of Bank Sepah, Iran’s largest bank last night.

Why does this matter? Because this is the exact bank that pays the salaries of all the Iranian Regime’s thugs and military forces. pic.twitter.com/pCOxugvZi9

— Ryan Fournier (@RyanAFournier) March 11, 2026

Does blowing up a bank stop payments? Seems everything is done electronically, though I have zero idea how it works in Iran.

Bank of Sepah has a branch in London. Thinking of reaching out to them to get a loan for munitions purchases.

Electronically means data storage. They're saying the centralized location of that data was destroyed. How do you transact without records. Depends on if they follow the 3-2-1 rule of data security.

I wish I had my mortgage through Bank Sepah.

AustinAg2K said:

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I wish I had my mortgage through Bank Sepah.

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All of my goat future trades are toast.

Phatbob said:

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I know you deep down understand that, but you rationalize the necessary need for military strength by blaming Israel.

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I understand military action is necessary sometimes. The question is what return are taxpayers getting and is it just going to leave us with more debt. We keep hearing "short term pain, for long term gain". So we will have to revist this when the smoke clears, like with Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Ukraine. Im not seeing long term gains with those expenditures, maybe Iran will be different.

Im happy to admit Im wrong. I hope Trump has big deposit receipts for taxpayers on Iran before he leaves office. But if it ends up just being more ME war debt, I guarantee others here won't admit they were wrong. They will cling to, "Iran would have nuked Israel" if we didnt expend 100s of billions. Or "we did our part, it was the Iranian people and Israel that dropped the ball".

I would refer you all to Charlie Kirk's comments on war with Iran. I dont see anyone attacking or marginalizing him....his points are the exact same as mine. It was the general consensus with America 1st MAGA too...until Trump called an audible.

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AustinAg2K said:

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I wish I had my mortgage through Bank Sepah.

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All of my goat future trades are toast.

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Divorce will do that to you.

People across Iran celebrating and cheering US-Israeli strikes (Feb-Mar 2026):
"Thank you, Trump. You're doing a great job. Hit 'em hard. They deserve this."
"Well done, Trump. Well done, USA. Wipe them out."
"Well done, Israel. Well done, Bibi. Congratulations to Iranians." pic.twitter.com/S1rwofJas7

— حافظه تاریخی (@hafezeh_tarikhi) March 10, 2026

The only leftists you can actually cheer for.

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totally undermine the "America First" movement

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You know what else undermines America First?

A nation that specifies "death to America" producing nuclear weapons and then launching them at NYC or elsewhere in the States.

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I thought we obliterated their nuclear capabilities. Set them back years…..


It's also not like they have ICBMs. They can't launch a strike at NYC. Iran was no more a danger than they have been to us for the last 47 years. I'm still waiting to hear a coherent cognizant plan. It's not a regime change. It is a regime change. Was the plan really for Iran to rise up and take back their government. They don't have the guns.

There could be a cease-fire tomorrow and we are screwed for months on global trade. Yet your boys talking about some mythical 1.80 gas in Iowa. Dude has completely lost touch with the average American.

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A nation that specifies "death to America" producing nuclear weapons and then launching them at NYC or elsewhere in the States.

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I thought we obliterated their nuclear capabilities. Set them back years…..


It's also not like they have ICBMs. They can't launch a strike at NYC. Iran was no more a danger than they have been to us for the last 47 years. I'm still waiting to hear a coherent cognizant plan. It's not a regime change. It is a regime change. Was the plan really for Iran to rise up and take back their government. They don't have the guns.

There could be a cease-fire tomorrow and we are screwed for months on global trade. Yet your boys talking about some mythical 1.80 gas in Iowa. Dude has completely lost touch with the average American.

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Been addressed a dozen times in this thread. Read it again.

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totally undermine the "America First" movement

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You know what else undermines America First?

A nation that specifies "death to America" producing nuclear weapons and then launching them at NYC or elsewhere in the States.

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I thought we obliterated their nuclear capabilities. Set them back years…..


It's also not like they have ICBMs. They can't launch a strike at NYC. Iran was no more a danger than they have been to us for the last 47 years. I'm still waiting to hear a coherent cognizant plan. It's not a regime change. It is a regime change. Was the plan really for Iran to rise up and take back their government. They don't have the guns.

There could be a cease-fire tomorrow and we are screwed for months on global trade. Yet your boys talking about some mythical 1.80 gas in Iowa. Dude has completely lost touch with the average American.

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This poster clearly never heard Doc Brown explain how the future can work.

Leave the mullahs alone for a sufficient time. I am quite certain they will not have produced new works of art or built hospitals. They will in fact have built not only the bomb but also the delivery mechanism to get it to the US.

When someone tells you who they are and what they want, believe them.

Did we just drop a MOAB?

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Did we just drop a MOAB?

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Trump claimed he had to strike bc Iran was about to fire nukes and takeover the ME. Bibi doesnt even try to make that claim, he at least sticks to the enriching stage. Then Trump claimed the girls school was bombed by Iran. Love or hate Trump this is pretty sloppy messaging that opens him up to legit criticism.

Its good for Trump to have folks in his corner who help discourage unforced errors. Its bad to have supporters who literally defend everything he does and says. Like all over this thread.

Its dumb for the left to defend outrageous positions and rhetoric for the sake of sticking up for team blue captain. Its also dumb for the right to do the same.

Hegseth and Rubio at least stick to the script, without making random unfounded allegations. I commended Trump on all the good, but he is really dinging up his credibility last couple weeks. He needs to get back on the rails, and start to check Israel.

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Trump claimed he had to strike bc Iran was about to fire nukes and takeover the ME. Bibi doesnt even try to make that claim, he at least sticks to the enriching stage. Then Trump claimed the girls school was bombed by Iran. Love or hate Trump this is pretty sloppy messaging that opens him up to legit criticism.

Its good for Trump to have folks in his corner who help discourage unforced errors. Its bad to have supporters who literally defend everything he does and says. Like all over this thread.

Its dumb for the left to defend outrageous positions and rhetoric for the sake of sticking up for team blue captain. Its also dumb for the right to do the same.

Hegseth and Rubio at least stick to the script, without making random unfounded allegations. I commended Trump on all the good, but he is really dinging up his credibility last couple weeks. He needs to get back on the rails, and start to check Israel.

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right just like Russia and China are the big winners here.... embarrassing.

Yes, anytime the US gets preoccupied in a costly war, it benefits China and Russia. In the same way many here argued a long costly war with Ukraine weakens Russia relative the the US. Its a pretty simple concept.

Ive been outspoken about Trump exposing CIA/FBI abuses of power, election fraud, media gaslighting, DODGE, and many other things. The moment I raise the same exact concerns Charlie Kirk raised about Iran, I am a turncoat with TDS.

Each week this continues we see an increase in the probability of a major blow to GOP in midterms and Trump's domestic agenda. Its simple math. So let's just all agree this needs to end relatively quickly.

How do we win? No matter what happens Iran will claim victory which means Trump looses. Unless we put boots on the ground and take over the country then Trump looses. No end game it's a loose loose for us. So if we give Israel all this money why couldn't we stop them from attacking? True Iran could one day nuke them but so could North vs South Korea. If we are being honest South Korea is way more import to us then Israel.

Israel is a nothing state they do nothing for us. We aren't trade partners if they let 3,000 hamas fighters attack across the most secured bordered in the world and had no plan to respond we shouldn't trust their intelligence. So why protect them? Why risk and throw away a middle east coalition of people we actually benefit from? Why bust up maga? They knew it would happen.

I care way more about keeping our American coalition together and fixing our country then I do about Israel or Iran. I want to get rid of the 40 million illegals lower taxes lower insurance cost but whatever shot we had at that is gone. We have reached a point of no return. This will siphon enough votes away from the Republicans so they will never win again.

What is "our America coalition" referring to? Feel like that would better help me understand the rest. Which seems a bit loose on the facts and heavy on the losing.

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I care way more about keeping our American coalition together and fixing our country then I do about Israel or Iran.

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This used to be MAGA America first. Now "America First" means adding $10B/week in foreign war debt, while our nati debt interest payments are already $45B/week and growing.

But hey, gotta do it....the right needs Trump to save us from a Nuke Armageddon, in the same way the left needed Al Gore saved us from climate change extinction!

The right's MIC benefits from war mongering, in the same way the left's "green" industry benefited from climate change. In both cases, the taxpayer and future generations lose. But thats all way too complex. We should probably just dumb this war down to a bar fight. We cant wait for Iran to "punch us in the mouth", we should break their nose before they swing. We need to attack like an American bald eagle! Anyone who disagrees is a TDS Jane Fonda.

Are we less than two weeks in and suddenly F16 is filled with "we are in a morass" posters?

Heaven forbid if it had taken more than 45 minutes to get Maduro out. LOL.

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What is "our America coalition" referring to? Feel like that would better help me understand the rest. Which seems a bit loose on the facts and heavy on the losing.

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Rednecks, black rappers, Hispanic men, Steroid bros, libertarians, pro athletes overall a broad coalition of Americans. Maybe its just me but I felt like for the first time the Republicans had a party of many views all come together. Sure maybe everyone wouldn't have stayed but he assembled this after Jan 6th after being convicted and ran in the ground for 4 years strait. Was pretty amazing.

I think you touch on one of the most relevant points in this thread on "political fallout". Trump is abandoning the principled Charlie Kirks of America, at least lately with his war mongering rhetoric. Its breaking up his base, as evidenced in the debate in this thread.

The fair point has been made here, its still early. There is time to withdraw and let Israel and Europe take the reins/funding in the weeks ahead. That would mean this time is different. The MIC and AIPAC are powerful forces, if anyone can give them the cold shoulder, its Trump. Although the way he is speaking now, that still looks like a couple months away. Thats where we start getting into some very expensive, risky territory. This big ship turns slower the longer we go.