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aggiedent said:

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Nothing that hasn't already been discussed by other posters, but what have we achieved?

Permanent peace? doubtful
Opening the strait? We'll see if it works.
Regime change for the better? No.
Removing all the nuclear material and equipment? No
Setting back drone & missile manufacturing decades? No.

So my question is, what is the purpose of the ceasefire?

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Yep I have said this a few times. US stated objectives have not been achieved. Iran stated objectives have not been achieved. Israel stated objectives have no been achieved.

It's a war "timeout".

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A 'timeout' with a minimal loss of life except in the higher levels of Iranian leadership; with a complete destruction of the Iranian Navy and Air Force; with an utter embarrassment of the inability to in significant fashion deter US and Israeli military Air Force and Navy assets from.operating at will inside Iran's borders or sea lanes: with the complete.destruction.of Iran's ability to immediately restart uranium enrichment; with the elimination of key leaders and with a major impact to the position of key Iranian proxies in Lebanon and Iraq.....among other things. Sure. Maybe let's call it a 'timeout' with a hard reset.

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So you admit, if things end as they stand now, within a few years they could have their nuclear programs and military capability back on line………….. with a new stable of crazies heading the country, ie; no regime change.

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So you're worried about them having a nuclear capability in few years, but weren't concerned about it just months ago and preferred we'd just kept the status quo? It's one or the other. Either you didn't think they were a serious threat before, therefore whatever they try and build back won't an issue and we didn't need to act....or you think what they're trying to build is a serious threat and we couldn't have continued letting it go.

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Was it worth it? The cost…… the lost lives?
Or……… do we keep going? Put boots on the ground and retrieve the nuclear materials. Truly set them back decades.
Keep killing leaders until the government collapses and we truly get regime change.

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We've tried boots on the ground in the ME. It doesn't work and costs way more American lives. I would prefer we weaken them when the threat is there with the technology we have at our disposal. There will always be a certain degree of threat over there. It will never be fully eliminated, that is a fantasy unfortunately.

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I don't think what we've accomplished was worth it, in a value driven analysis. Either finish the F ing job, or don't do it in the first place.

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There is no "finishing" the job. It is naive to think we can 100% eliminate the threat over there. Even if we removed every weapon and every bad leader, that wouldn't stop others from trying again. All we can do is make calculated decisions based on how to weaken the threat and try to establish some kind of reasonable agreement with more moderate countries in the region. If you think sending in ground troops with more American losses over years and years would finish the job, I just think that's a naive take.

President Trump references regime change but isn't Mojtaba's installation merely a fast tracking of the already intended successor to Ali Khamenei? This does not seem like regime change but more an extension of the current regime.

I have seen too much conflicting information. Does Iran have nuclear capability or not? I was under the impression that some of the strikes last year(?) wiped out their refining capabilities totally. But many sources lately have been saying it is still a threat.

🚨Iran demands fees for ships passing Hormuz during ceasefire🚨

This 'agreement' will confirm Iranian control of the Strait of Hormuz

1️⃣Iran has ZERO authority to monitor what sails into or out of the Persian Gulf
2️⃣The requirement to sail through Iranian waters - the… pic.twitter.com/A692zf6AOt

— Sal Mercogliano (WGOW Shipping) 🚢⚓🐪🚒🏴‍☠️ (@mercoglianos) April 8, 2026

Not looking like Iran capitulated

Gordo14 said:

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🚨Iran demands fees for ships passing Hormuz during ceasefire🚨

This 'agreement' will confirm Iranian control of the Strait of Hormuz

1️⃣Iran has ZERO authority to monitor what sails into or out of the Persian Gulf
2️⃣The requirement to sail through Iranian waters - the… pic.twitter.com/A692zf6AOt

— Sal Mercogliano (WGOW Shipping) 🚢⚓🐪🚒🏴‍☠️ (@mercoglianos) April 8, 2026

Not looking like Iran capitulated

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Yep. I am going to need a longer snorkel to reach air with the increasing depth of bs. What is being announced has to be diversion imo.

And incredibly complicated in practice, especially at the beginning.

The deal was likely made with the govt first with the irgc consenting. But. As has been reported numerous times before, and mentioned since the deal, the irgc command decisions have been given to local commanders. There are going to be rouge firings of missles and threats until the information is disseminated through the ranks and local leaders actually abide by it.

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infinity ag said:

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Making deals with Muslims is always fraught with problems. Firstly, they cannot be trusted as they claim they only obey Allah. Not the person they are dealing with. And in Islam, there is taqqiyya which means you can lie to a person "to save Islam". So they are okay lying to make fake deals to save their butts.

Foolish Westerners think everyone else thinks like the west and go into these deals and it all falls apart.

This will follow, just watch.

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Trying to strike a deal with the Democrats is exactly the same.

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The word infidel also applies to Dems so it can be confusing.

https://apnews.com/live/iran-war-israel-trump-04-08-2026

Live updates: Iran closes the Strait of Hormuz in response to Israeli attacks on Lebanon, per Iranian state media

From BBC (not sure what if there is a news source other than Truth social some will believe though)

Oil tankers have stopped passing through Strait of Hormuz - Iranian media
published at 10:34
10:34
Iranian media reports oil tankers have stopped passing through the Strait of Hormuz, as Israel hits Lebanon with the "biggest strike" since its ground operation began.

Allowing tankers through the strait is a key to the ceasefire between Iran and the US.

But Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC)-affiliated news agency Fars has reported that while two oil tankers were able to pass through the strait with permission from Iran this morning, the passage of oil tankers through the Strait of Hormuz has been stopped.

The Islamic Republic News Agency is also reporting ships have been halted, with both outlets referencing Israel's continued strikes on Lebanon.

Keep in mind the @FT is absolutely just a propaganda/tabloid outfit, essentially an EU fanaticist publication.

Netanyahu:

This is not the end of the campaign - the negotiations are a stage on the way to achieving our goals. pic.twitter.com/hBr3UqN7aF

— Clash Report (@clashreport) April 8, 2026

Bibi said much more.

Netanyahu: We are ready to war with Iran at any moment. Our finger is on the trigger. The ceasefire was coordinated with Israel. We were not notified in the last minute

— Barak Ravid (@BarakRavid) April 8, 2026

Ok
So after listening to everything including the press secretary.
What has been accomplished for the US as of now?
The opening of the strait? It was already open before this.
Anything else? Besides ongoing negotiations…….

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Ok
So after listening to everything including the press secretary.
What has been accomplished for the US as of now?
The opening of the strait? It was already open before this.
Anything else? Besides ongoing negotiations…….

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Regime change. New guy is younger. Hopefully he will be a great partner even though we killed his dad, wife and teenage son. Also, he's now basically a national hero in Iran having "defeated" the American invaders, so we don't have to worry about civil unrest there for quite some time.

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It was already open before this.

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Before the war it was open

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President Trump references regime change but isn't Mojtaba's installation merely a fast tracking of the already intended successor to Ali Khamenei? This does not seem like regime change but more an extension of the current regime.

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The Islamic Republic SPECIFICALLY rejected hereditary succession.

The fact that they picked Mojtaba goes directly against the views of the mullahs...

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does anyone understand why we couldn't simply take control over the SoH?

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we could, but for whatever reason that plan was never implemented

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Iran has way more missiles and drones than our government admits. And they can just fire them at all ships passing through the Strait.

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Is this conjecture or do you have access to Intel that most don't have? Middle launches have been steadily diminishing towards zero as they lose launchers and inventory and are forced to decide how to use the rapidly dwindling remaining arsenal. If they launch it all, they lose leverage, but if they hold some back and stop firing….they lose leverage. At some point they become an ineffective threat, because there are so few to either use effectively or threaten with

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Look at the state of affairs objectively (not supporting either side). The US has been bombing Iran and Trump has been issuing threats. Iran closed the Strait by way of missiles and drones and threats (and allegedly mines in the water). That was like a month ago by now. Since then, Trump issued threats to bomb infrastructure, to which Iran threatened to bomb Middle East oil and desalination (which would massively destabilize the region). Since then, we have been basically at an escalation stand still. The new "main" objective of US seems to be "Open the Strait" as Trump said with some profanity and threats on Easter.

What does this tell you?

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Tells me you've chosen to spend yet another day (starting before 6 am nonetheless) simpling for a terrorist regime and rooting for them over your own country simply because you hate Trump. F'ing brutal buddy.

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Now this is an Old Rivals level political beat down. Brutally wonderful.

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MJ20/20 said:

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President Trump references regime change but isn't Mojtaba's installation merely a fast tracking of the already intended successor to Ali Khamenei? This does not seem like regime change but more an extension of the current regime.

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The Islamic Republic SPECIFICALLY rejected hereditary succession.

The fact that they picked Mojtaba goes directly against the views of the mullahs...

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Mojtaba may be joining his dead family soon, if he hasn't already

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MJ20/20 said:

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President Trump references regime change but isn't Mojtaba's installation merely a fast tracking of the already intended successor to Ali Khamenei? This does not seem like regime change but more an extension of the current regime.

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The Islamic Republic SPECIFICALLY rejected hereditary succession.

The fact that they picked Mojtaba goes directly against the views of the mullahs...

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He's been in line to succeed his father for over two decades. So the islamic republic rejected hereditary succession by practicing hereditarty succession?

The idea of making "a deal" with a regime that will surely break it naive at best, and ridiculously stupid at worst.

It's getting increasingly difficult to understand what has been achieved.

Imagine asserting that you "live in the real world" and typing out the name "Kim Jong-Trump", and then living to post again...

Technically he was elected by their "experts"

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You want to wait a while and see what happens or do you want to continue rooting for Iran? Or I guess I should say against Trump.

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"wait a while and see what happens" is maga-speak for "let's move on to something else before anyone notices things are worse now"

So much for that ceasefire flow of oil

Gordo14 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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You want to wait a while and see what happens or do you want to continue rooting for Iran? Or I guess I should say against Trump.

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Y'all are so pathetic. I want what's best for America. You want what's best for Kim Jong-Trump. Sorry it hurts your feelings that we didn't achieve the ability to impose political consequences on Iran - what capitulation would look like. But I live in the real world, not fantasyland.

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Yes, the person comparing a democratically elected U.S. President to a communist dictator that never leaves power totally lives in the real world and not fantasyland. Ok.

Iran to no ones surprise is already negotiating in bad faith.

Trump needs to give them until tomorrow to open the strait with no strings attached.

If they fail to do that , he needs to immediately resume the war and tell them a cease fire will commence as soon as they open the strait but not before then.

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Trump needs to give them until tomorrow to open the strait with no strings attached.

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That was supposed to have already happened

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The idea of making "a deal" with a regime that will surely break it naive at best, and ridiculously stupid at worst.

It's getting increasingly difficult to understand what has been achieved.

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I understand your frustration especially the first sentence; it's spot on. But there have been some positive results.

1. Iran's ability to attack its neighbors in mass has been neutralized.
2. The murderous Regime is in disarray but is still in some regards and places functional.
3. Their military industrial complex for new production has been degraded.
4. Their internal logistics for moving and positioning hardware and human assets has also been degraded.

Unfortunately, They can still clog up the Straight which they did to some degree last year using Houthi proxies. This is really the only serious card they have left, but thanks to geography its a nasty one.

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Thankful for Pakistan for giving Trump a off ramp and allowing him to save face.

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Dumb gonna dumb!

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Pakistan was involved that way nobody ask Trump who he was talking to. Also bonus is Isreal doesn't kill whoever he was trying to negotiate with.

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Also bonus is Isreal doesn't kill whoever he was trying to negotiate with.

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why would israel need to do that? they control Trump and he just does their bidding

Gordo14 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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You want to wait a while and see what happens or do you want to continue rooting for Iran? Or I guess I should say against Trump.

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Y'all are so pathetic. I want what's best for America. You want what's best for Kim Jong-Trump. Sorry it hurts your feelings that we didn't achieve the ability to impose political consequences on Iran - what capitulation would look like. But I live in the real world, not fantasyland.

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What color is the sky in your "real" world? We've seen your posting history.

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Also bonus is Isreal doesn't kill whoever he was trying to negotiate with.

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why would israel need to do that? they control Trump and he just does their bidding

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Optics the need to show they aren't bowing down to the mighty US.