Iran Has Capitulated to President Trump

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fullback44 said:

I wouldnt believe anything the media is putting out or saying... fact is none of these idiots know anything about what is being negotiated, why would they let the media know the game plan?

sit back and watch what happens, once it actually happens then maybe the media will get one right for once

Exactly.

Lots of people and entities tossing out **** to see what sticks, and to sow discord and disinformation.
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PJYoung said:



JD Vance, currently in the air to Pakistan, is demanding zero enrichment.

Same administration. Same negotiating team. Completely opposite positions.

Let me guess...sourced from unnamed US Officials who spoke to somebody off the record?
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txags92 said:

PJYoung said:



JD Vance, currently in the air to Pakistan, is demanding zero enrichment.

Same administration. Same negotiating team. Completely opposite positions.

Let me guess...sourced from unnamed US Officials who spoke to somebody off the record?

It has been discussed several times that the US had offered them uranium for nuclear power, which only requires ~5% enrichment.

It was intended to do exactly what it did and show that Iran was enriching uranium for a nuclear weapon.
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Gaeilge said:

txags92 said:

PJYoung said:



JD Vance, currently in the air to Pakistan, is demanding zero enrichment.

Same administration. Same negotiating team. Completely opposite positions.

Let me guess...sourced from unnamed US Officials who spoke to somebody off the record?

It has been discussed several times that the US had offered them uranium for nuclear power, which only requires ~5% enrichment.

It was intended to do exactly what it did and show that Iran was enriching uranium for a nuclear weapon.

Sounds like a misunderstanding...we offer them unlimited 5% enriched uranium for their reactors and they agree to never do any enrichment (which is what Vance wants). Two positions are not necessarily adversarial.
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aggiehawg said:

Burpelson said:

We have won this tacticaly but that does not give us a strategic victory, its complete delusional to think our military can win this alone.

Depends on ROE. We can open up a can of whup-azz if we want to do so. Not talking nukes nor Tokyo level firebombing. Although as to the latter, the reason behind the firebombing of Japan was the Japanese civilian population was hiding mini war effort assembly and similar operations. Civilians who were are part of the active war manufacturing are not collateral damage as they are still legitimate targets.

To the degree Iranian neighborhoods are hiding drones and missiles and then using their vehicles to launch them, still legit targets..


Yes, we could do that. But if I understand correctly what that option entails, then doing it would be insane. Yes, we could hide behind international law verbiage and claim there were legit legal war targets nearby. And yes, no other nation could successfully enforce war crimes allegations or crimes against humanity allegations on us anyway, because despite our decline, we're still the post WW2 military and economic superpower who the world still depends on. But it would still be insane. For one thing, it likely wouldn't cause regime change. And second, the American people would go nuts in their opposition. As would world public opinion and condemnation by even our closest allies.
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txags92 said:

Gaeilge said:

txags92 said:

PJYoung said:



JD Vance, currently in the air to Pakistan, is demanding zero enrichment.

Same administration. Same negotiating team. Completely opposite positions.

Let me guess...sourced from unnamed US Officials who spoke to somebody off the record?

It has been discussed several times that the US had offered them uranium for nuclear power, which only requires ~5% enrichment.

It was intended to do exactly what it did and show that Iran was enriching uranium for a nuclear weapon.

Sounds like a misunderstanding...we offer them unlimited 5% enriched uranium for their reactors and they agree to never do any enrichment (which is what Vance wants). Two positions are not necessarily adversarial.



You are essentially correct.

We would give them uranium. Is a lie to claim that Kushner said that they could enrich all the uranium they wanted.





I'm Gipper
Keyno
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DeschutesAg said:

aggiehawg said:

Burpelson said:

We have won this tacticaly but that does not give us a strategic victory, its complete delusional to think our military can win this alone.

Depends on ROE. We can open up a can of whup-azz if we want to do so. Not talking nukes nor Tokyo level firebombing. Although as to the latter, the reason behind the firebombing of Japan was the Japanese civilian population was hiding mini war effort assembly and similar operations. Civilians who were are part of the active war manufacturing are not collateral damage as they are still legitimate targets.

To the degree Iranian neighborhoods are hiding drones and missiles and then using their vehicles to launch them, still legit targets..


Yes, we could do that. But if I understand correctly what that option entails, then doing it would be insane. Yes, we could hide behind international law verbiage and claim there were legit legal war targets nearby. And yes, no other nation could successfully enforce war crimes allegations or crimes against humanity allegations on us anyway, because despite our decline, we're still the post WW2 military and economic superpower who the world still depends on. But it would still be insane. For one thing, it likely wouldn't cause regime change. And second, the American people would go nuts in their opposition. As would world public opinion and condemnation by even our closest allies.

Big one right here. We wouldn't able to able to claim to be "the good guys" after something like that. And all legitimacy of world police man would be lost
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2026NCAggies said:

I am a Trump supporter and I do believe we needed to handle Iran. I also think we have accomplished most of our set goals

But when you start something, you need to finish it. New obstacles arise in war, which means new goals.

Trump rushed in to this cease fire and it is showing. IDK why he put himself in a position to even have a deadline for a cease fire. He should have just knocked their Di**s in the dirt and took out their infrastructure.

Now he looks weak rushing in to a cease fire, basically begging for them to open the strait. THAT WAS A REQ. FOR THE CEASE FIRE! They have not opened it and it makes him look weak and stupid. Now he is begging, INSTEAD OF GOING BACK IN AND FING THEM UP. Weak Weak Weak, it pisses me off.

Why hasn't he stopped their customers from entering or leaving the strait?

Did he not have a Fing plan for this? Because this is a new goal that came from this war and he looks dumb AF trying to open it and solve it.

He is leaving it up to Iran, which basically emboldens them. Now it looks like we are defeated in an aspect of this conflict. WHEN HE COULD HAVE GOTTEN IT DONE IN OTHER WAYS. HE fell right in to their trap and looks like a dumbass

Guess what, you are giving them a lifeline with this negotiations and deal you are trying to make. you will be giving them a boat load of cash by lifting sanctions and letting them collect a Fing toll.

We would not have to be making a deal had he had a plan to open the strait, without the strait they have no advantage to do anything.

Sorry for the rant but we could have CLEARLY won this thing had we planned to open the strait ourselves. Now we look dumb, everything we accomplished is out the window all because the strait, something with good plans could have been avoided


This thing is not over. And I am skeptical this ceasefire will even hold (especially if it is dependent on Israel halting it's strikes on Lebanon) . No one has achieved their strategic objectives. No one has budged for 2 years. Trump has been threatening a massive attack on Iran infrastructure for like over a month now, and we have seen multiple last second delays/extensions of the deadline. This ceasefire seems to be another edition of that trend. Don't forget, we still have more aircraft carriers moving into the region. And Trump is still trying to get the Euros to help him open the Strait.

We will see what comes out of the negotiations occurring in Pakistan presently.
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Keyno said:

DeschutesAg said:

aggiehawg said:

Burpelson said:

We have won this tacticaly but that does not give us a strategic victory, its complete delusional to think our military can win this alone.

Depends on ROE. We can open up a can of whup-azz if we want to do so. Not talking nukes nor Tokyo level firebombing. Although as to the latter, the reason behind the firebombing of Japan was the Japanese civilian population was hiding mini war effort assembly and similar operations. Civilians who were are part of the active war manufacturing are not collateral damage as they are still legitimate targets.

To the degree Iranian neighborhoods are hiding drones and missiles and then using their vehicles to launch them, still legit targets..


Yes, we could do that. But if I understand correctly what that option entails, then doing it would be insane. Yes, we could hide behind international law verbiage and claim there were legit legal war targets nearby. And yes, no other nation could successfully enforce war crimes allegations or crimes against humanity allegations on us anyway, because despite our decline, we're still the post WW2 military and economic superpower who the world still depends on. But it would still be insane. For one thing, it likely wouldn't cause regime change. And second, the American people would go nuts in their opposition. As would world public opinion and condemnation by even our closest allies.

Big one right here. We wouldn't able to able to claim to be "the good guys" after something like that. And all legitimacy of world police man would be lost

Sure, until they were threatened again.

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Im Gipper said:

We definitely don't want to hear the details of the money source etc before defending or disparaging Trump. We all need to react now!!!

Trump is an ******* and does stupid things...

Doesn't mean I'm going to believe a random X poster...
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PJYoung said:



JD Vance, currently in the air to Pakistan, is demanding zero enrichment.

Same administration. Same negotiating team. Completely opposite positions.

We NEVER offered uranium ENRICHMENT.

We offered non-enriched uranium that Iran could use in a nuclear reactor, monitored by the international community.
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Gaeilge said:

txags92 said:

PJYoung said:



JD Vance, currently in the air to Pakistan, is demanding zero enrichment.

Same administration. Same negotiating team. Completely opposite positions.

Let me guess...sourced from unnamed US Officials who spoke to somebody off the record?

It has been discussed several times that the US had offered them uranium for nuclear power, which only requires ~5% enrichment.

It was intended to do exactly what it did and show that Iran was enriching uranium for a nuclear weapon.

Ding ding ding!

Winner winner chicken dinner!
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Thank you for this one Hawg. One of my favorite posts of yours ever, and that's sayin something.
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IF TRUE regarding Jared, send him home.

NO enrichment. Iran leaders lie.
Marvin J. Schiller
bobbranco
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No mention of Jared Kushner in the short video...

Allen is probably news.

Details are being distorted.

Explained above by others.

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BMX Bandit
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mjschiller said:

IF TRUE regarding Jared, send him home.

NO enrichment. Iran leaders lie.


The video is true. The description from the X account is fake news.

Go back to March before the bombing. We offered to supply Iran fuel for its domestic nuclear program and Iran could do no enrichment (this is what Doocy mentioned). Iran turned that down and said they have enough 60% enriched uranium to build 11 nuclear weapons.


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Kushner is either representing Uncle bibi or the Saudis one thing for sure he isn't representing the American people. Surprised this hasn't been brought up more with mainstream media. He couldn't get a security clearance something seems very off with his involvement. Age and wisdom matter maybe since Kushners big democratic Jewish connected family they haven't went after him as much.

Would think most people would question whyI do t think I've heard one reporter ask Trump why Kushner.
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You should DM Trump and let him know you figured it all out.


Wait, never mind. Trump is controlled by Netanyahu, so Trump already knows this.


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BMX Bandit said:

You should DM Trump and let him know you figured it all out.


Trump is on "truth social" which basically nobody uses. But the few people that do are turning against him in the comments
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Thread title is laugh out loud funny.
Houston Lee
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Just remember.

IRAN LIES ALL THE TIME.

You may be wise to make a 24-48 hour rule on ANYTHING coming out of Iran or from Iranian news "sources".
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Houston Lee said:

Just remember.

IRAN LIES ALL THE TIME.

You may be wise to make a 24-48 hour rule on ANYTHING coming out of Iran or from Iranian news "sources".


Not much different than our news then….or our government
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[This thread went way off the rails of anything related to the OP. We cleaned up the last page or so. Keep it on topic -- Staff]
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Iran told Vance to get bent.. Capitulation?
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Welp. This means boots on the ground. There's just no other way.
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Keyno said:

BMX Bandit said:

You should DM Trump and let him know you figured it all out.


Trump is on "truth social" which basically nobody uses. But the few people that do are turning against him in the comments



You got that right. It's only a few relatively speaking turning against Trump over this fake narrative and it's mostly online bots and trolls
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We are in a dangerous time. Regime still in place, strait still closed, uranium still in Iran. Iran told Trump to pound sand in Pakistan, and he is getting beat up on social media. I pray the next few steps in the conflict are handled with discernment.
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Gaw617 said:

We are in a dangerous time. Regime still in place, strait still closed, uranium still in Iran. Iran told Trump to pound sand in Pakistan, and he is getting beat up on social media. I pray the next few steps in the conflict are handled with discernment.


Oh no! Not social media!
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Send them back to the Stone Age. One power plant and one refinery per day. Let them see what could happen to them.
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BMX Bandit said:

You should DM Trump and let him know you figured it all out.


Wait, never mind. Trump is controlled by Netanyahu, so Trump already knows this.




Somebody should have. We can't win I take no pleasure in saying that. Great reason why we shouldn't have got in to begin with. Trillions a year on defense and we can't open a 20 mile strait? Why are we paying all these taxes? This only makes us weaker going forward. Iran only had to not loose to win and they didn't loose. Impossible to win without being fully committed to leveling the place and occupation. Again who wins in this? Israel. American people are tired of the lies. Iran never killed 30k protesters the people were never going to rise up. So how can intelligence be this bad so many times? I will give you one guess.

We look weak to Arab nations we can't protect them. They let us build bases and trade in the petro dollar for what? Iran wins with 2,000 dollar drones and we do nothing about. Does that make us a stronger protector or a weaker one? Who looks stronger China or us? Things won't change until later they would never on Trumps watch he has been a friend and good business partner to the kingdom but eventually things will change the yen cheap Chinese workers just remember how instead of diplomacy we went to war and put another country needs ahead of ours. All we need is cheap oil.... to sleep safely in our beds and to project power we had all before this war kicked off.

Tucker was correct about one thing 2 nations can't wage war as equals no 2 nations share the same goals and interest.
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Can't take someone seriously who can't spell lose
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ChrisTAMU said:

Can't take someone seriously who can't spell lose

Confirmed.. if Trumps lost a dumb redneck like me with no college he has lost his base.
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Many should lay off taking Tucker, our very own Quisling, seriously.
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Burnsey said:

Welp. This means boots on the ground. There's just no other way.

There never was going to be, and anyone who thinks we can just "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran" into an entirely new form of government, or, in their case, reverting back to the constitutional monarchy they were, was naive at best and a fool at worst.

Anything less than putting our military on the ground, going through the streets of every place necessary to make MIGA, is the only way.

Anything less was pointless, save for making the MIC and everyone who made stock trades (legally and questionably) during this time.

Trump rightfully boasts about our military. Time to show the world what he can really unleash and make the world forever safe from Iran and give the Iranians their country back.
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