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The truth is probably somewhere in the middle of each side's statements, no?

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Probably not, but the left taking Iran's word as gospel is laughable at best.

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This is what worries me. The left hates Trump any conservative president so much they dont even begin to vet for the truth. They'd side with the devil in a heart beat without a thought. Granted Trump could have handled things better especially on the communication side. But reading these post of leftest cheerleading for Iran without a thought or even an attempt to objectively evaluate what they read is extremely disturbing.

This fact tells me this nation is in terrible danger of its self. We are hopelessly divided and kidding ourselves. The fact is the left loathes us and we them more so than any external threat. Book it if this doesn't change we are screwed.

I don't think it matters if they think it's a lie or truly believe it at this point. I realized that about democrats way back when they were ramming through obamacare, and then when the Fauci-covidian belief system was concocted. The narrative must be publicly given and restated, in Party unison.

The reality in any case is obvious to all of us:

Because if the Iranian Mullahs and their "End of Times" theocracy obtained a nuke, they would be likely to use it in the fulfillment of a religious prophecy. https://t.co/AM5vvhTCT2

— Shipwreckedcrew (@shipwreckedcrew) April 7, 2026

It's a global PR pause. We pause, put up terms Iran will break, then we decimate them further and get to say "see, they had the chance but couldn't live up to some very basic terms the world agrees on like no nukes and not attacking the strait"

Haleyscomet50 said:

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Courtesy Flush said:

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Trump looks bad right now. He agreed to take his foot off the throat of the Iranians for what? There's no agreement about their nuclear ambitions, nothing about funding their proxies, nothing about the ballistic missile program, nothing about changing the regime away from the fundamentalists. All that was accomplished was they set back the Iranians military a few years but they'll be back more aggressive than ever and he will be viewed as a fool. I am not suggesting he had any great options at this point but if this is the best outcome he should have never went in there in the first place. All he did is ensure that Iran is not aggressive for the remainder of his term. The other thing is now there is a mechanism whereby Iran can charge a fee for every ship going through Hormuz. The Iranians never had that benefit before.

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The whole reason why we should never attacked in the first place. It was always going to be a loss for us. Was just made worse by Trumps rhetoric. So if we can't win it doesn't help us then why do it?

From the start we are labeled as jew haters but Isreal is the only country that wins this conflict. They get to show they have big brother that will go to war for them. True or not Bibi gets to show he controlled Trump. All Iran had to do was hold on and get the win. The world is about optics and we aren't stronger coming out of this thing we are weaker. Our allies have been attacked because of us. Strait been closed because of us. We carry the big stick but don't use it. Trump was never going to level the country you can't say stuff if your not going to act. Obama did the same with the Syrian red line. This is war it's not a business deal.

We never had a chance to win because we were never going full scale war so again all we did was emboldened our enemies. This war makes us weaker not stronger. Not even mentioning the political consequences to the republican party which is done. Trump built it and destroyed it.

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Lolz. Nothing in the ceasefire agreement is great for the Israel. Im fact, it pretty much ignores Israel all together.

Maybe the actual deal will address them, but we dont know now because we dont know what the deal will be.

But, we're not all laughing at you

DannyDuberstein said:

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It's a global PR pause. We pause, put up terms Iran will break, then we decimate them further and get to say "see, they had the chance but couldn't live up to some very basic terms the world agrees on like no nukes and not attacking the strait"

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I feel the need to remind you- in 2025, Israel sabotaged and bombed Iran during US/Iran negotiations. And in 2026, the US/Israel started bombing Iran during negations.

Who?mikejones! said:

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Haleyscomet50 said:

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Courtesy Flush said:

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Trump looks bad right now. He agreed to take his foot off the throat of the Iranians for what? There's no agreement about their nuclear ambitions, nothing about funding their proxies, nothing about the ballistic missile program, nothing about changing the regime away from the fundamentalists. All that was accomplished was they set back the Iranians military a few years but they'll be back more aggressive than ever and he will be viewed as a fool. I am not suggesting he had any great options at this point but if this is the best outcome he should have never went in there in the first place. All he did is ensure that Iran is not aggressive for the remainder of his term. The other thing is now there is a mechanism whereby Iran can charge a fee for every ship going through Hormuz. The Iranians never had that benefit before.

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The whole reason why we should never attacked in the first place. It was always going to be a loss for us. Was just made worse by Trumps rhetoric. So if we can't win it doesn't help us then why do it?

From the start we are labeled as jew haters but Isreal is the only country that wins this conflict. They get to show they have big brother that will go to war for them. True or not Bibi gets to show he controlled Trump. All Iran had to do was hold on and get the win. The world is about optics and we aren't stronger coming out of this thing we are weaker. Our allies have been attacked because of us. Strait been closed because of us. We carry the big stick but don't use it. Trump was never going to level the country you can't say stuff if your not going to act. Obama did the same with the Syrian red line. This is war it's not a business deal.

We never had a chance to win because we were never going full scale war so again all we did was emboldened our enemies. This war makes us weaker not stronger. Not even mentioning the political consequences to the republican party which is done. Trump built it and destroyed it.

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Lolz. Nothing in the ceasefire agreement is great for the Israel. Im fact, it pretty much ignores Israel all together.

Maybe the actual deal will address them, but we dont know now because we dont know what the deal will be.

But, we're not all laughing at you

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That's how you know its fake and will not be upheld by either party

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Granted Trump could have handled things better especially on the communication side.

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Trump's error was actually trying to be as transparent as possible. When doing tons of hour long plus press conferences, he's going to misspeak. But, that's what his base loves. Total transparency.

Yea, things change in complicated situations, and yea, the left loonies spout "Israel is making him change his tactics", "he's crazy, 25th amendment", "IMPEACH", bla bla bla. But he told us what was happing along the way, changes and all.

I can hope this gets wrapped up quickly, the SOH gets totally opened, and gas gets back down in the $2.70 range before elections. That would give tremendous ammo to Republicans in this upcoming elections, with the left loonies on record as trying to stop what would be a monumental win. But, that would mean the Republicans would actually use this in their campaigns to win MORE seats in the House and Senate.

I'm not going to hold my breath.

Who?mikejones! said:

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Haleyscomet50 said:

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Courtesy Flush said:

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Trump looks bad right now. He agreed to take his foot off the throat of the Iranians for what? There's no agreement about their nuclear ambitions, nothing about funding their proxies, nothing about the ballistic missile program, nothing about changing the regime away from the fundamentalists. All that was accomplished was they set back the Iranians military a few years but they'll be back more aggressive than ever and he will be viewed as a fool. I am not suggesting he had any great options at this point but if this is the best outcome he should have never went in there in the first place. All he did is ensure that Iran is not aggressive for the remainder of his term. The other thing is now there is a mechanism whereby Iran can charge a fee for every ship going through Hormuz. The Iranians never had that benefit before.

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The whole reason why we should never attacked in the first place. It was always going to be a loss for us. Was just made worse by Trumps rhetoric. So if we can't win it doesn't help us then why do it?

From the start we are labeled as jew haters but Isreal is the only country that wins this conflict. They get to show they have big brother that will go to war for them. True or not Bibi gets to show he controlled Trump. All Iran had to do was hold on and get the win. The world is about optics and we aren't stronger coming out of this thing we are weaker. Our allies have been attacked because of us. Strait been closed because of us. We carry the big stick but don't use it. Trump was never going to level the country you can't say stuff if your not going to act. Obama did the same with the Syrian red line. This is war it's not a business deal.

We never had a chance to win because we were never going full scale war so again all we did was emboldened our enemies. This war makes us weaker not stronger. Not even mentioning the political consequences to the republican party which is done. Trump built it and destroyed it.

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Lolz. Nothing in the ceasefire agreement is great for the Israel. Im fact, it pretty much ignores Israel all together.

Maybe the actual deal will address them, but we dont know now because we dont know what the deal will be.

But, we're not all laughing at you

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Huh??
- Getting rtd of all weapons manufacturing helps Israel
- Destroying Iran's Air Force and Navy helps Israel
- Opening up the SOH and lowering oil price across the world helps Israel
- Destroying Iran's long range missile capabilities helps Israel

I'm sure there is more I'm not thinking about.

Science Denier said:

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Granted Trump could have handled things better especially on the communication side.

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Trump's error was actually trying to be as transparent as possible. When doing tons of hour long plus press conferences, he's going to misspeak. But, that's what his base loves. Total transparency.

Yea, things change in complicated situations, and yea, the left loonies spout "Israel is making him change his tactics", "he's crazy, 25th amendment", "IMPEACH", bla bla bla. But he told us what was happing along the way, changes and all.

I can hope this gets wrapped up quickly, the SOH gets totally opened, and gas gets back down in the $2.70 range before elections. That would give tremendous ammo to Republicans in this upcoming elections, with the left loonies on record as trying to stop what would be a monumental win. But, that would mean the Republicans would actually use this in their campaigns to win MORE seats in the House and Senate.

I'm not going to hold my breath.

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Science Denier said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Haleyscomet50 said:

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Courtesy Flush said:

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Trump looks bad right now. He agreed to take his foot off the throat of the Iranians for what? There's no agreement about their nuclear ambitions, nothing about funding their proxies, nothing about the ballistic missile program, nothing about changing the regime away from the fundamentalists. All that was accomplished was they set back the Iranians military a few years but they'll be back more aggressive than ever and he will be viewed as a fool. I am not suggesting he had any great options at this point but if this is the best outcome he should have never went in there in the first place. All he did is ensure that Iran is not aggressive for the remainder of his term. The other thing is now there is a mechanism whereby Iran can charge a fee for every ship going through Hormuz. The Iranians never had that benefit before.

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The whole reason why we should never attacked in the first place. It was always going to be a loss for us. Was just made worse by Trumps rhetoric. So if we can't win it doesn't help us then why do it?

From the start we are labeled as jew haters but Isreal is the only country that wins this conflict. They get to show they have big brother that will go to war for them. True or not Bibi gets to show he controlled Trump. All Iran had to do was hold on and get the win. The world is about optics and we aren't stronger coming out of this thing we are weaker. Our allies have been attacked because of us. Strait been closed because of us. We carry the big stick but don't use it. Trump was never going to level the country you can't say stuff if your not going to act. Obama did the same with the Syrian red line. This is war it's not a business deal.

We never had a chance to win because we were never going full scale war so again all we did was emboldened our enemies. This war makes us weaker not stronger. Not even mentioning the political consequences to the republican party which is done. Trump built it and destroyed it.

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Lolz. Nothing in the ceasefire agreement is great for the Israel. Im fact, it pretty much ignores Israel all together.

Maybe the actual deal will address them, but we dont know now because we dont know what the deal will be.

But, we're not all laughing at you

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Huh??
- Getting rtd of all weapons manufacturing helps Israel
- Destroying Iran's Air Force and Navy helps Israel
- Opening up the SOH and lowering oil price across the world helps Israel
- Destroying Iran's long range missile capabilities helps Israel

I'm sure there is more I'm not thinking about.

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Of course, helps...but all those things are beneficial for everyone not solely Israel

fc2112 said:

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You do realize this is just a cease fire, not a final negotiated end of the war, right?

Sounds like you've been listening to too much MSM news.

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Negotiated end to the war will look like the ceasefire. We've taken the leverage at the negotiating table away and anchored the counterparty at the ceasefire terms. If, as widely reported, the terms are along the lines of Iran's 10 point peace plan, we gave Iran a lot of concessions. Logically, Iran had a lot of leverage leading to the ceasefire because they controlled the Strait of Hormuz and we didn't have a way to open it. So I would say it's likely that any ceasefire is more likely than not more in Iran's favor.

As many of you whine about people being critical of the Trump administration (the left is the enemy within rhetoric), I think it's more important that we can honestly analyze the situation. When the terms are formalized, is America better or worse off than February 27th? Is the regime in Iran better or worse off? This isn't a lack of respect for the military or TDS…. This is an important practice of the virtue of truth. As it stands now, I think it's unlikely we were able to dominate and dictate terms in this ceasefire, unless your basis is that tweets like the ones Trump put out are worth anything in negotiation. I suspect that if you were on the other side of those tweets you'd be more likely to think your opponent was weak and running out of options than anything else. If Iran really hands over their uranium no questions asked and reopens the strait with no conditions I would say this whole operation is a moderate win. At this time, I think believing that is more magical thinking and the actual terms will look more like Iran's 10 point plan, which would be an absolute failure.

When this is all done, we need to be able to reflect on whether this military adventurism was worth it honestly. If we keep trying to frame our own truth around our political ideology then our capacity to project power as a country will continue to deteriorate.

what are you talking about? where am i saying any of that?

nortex97 said:

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🚨 JUST IN: President Trump suggests there may be a JOINT VENTURE with Iran to safeguard the Strait of Hormuz

US forces are STAYING in the region.

"It's a beautiful thing," Trump told ABC

"We're thinking of doing it as a joint venture. It's a way of securing it — also… pic.twitter.com/sDO43Bn5GK

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) April 8, 2026

This sounds insane.

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Ah, so it's a business deal?

🚨 BREAKING: Trump says US will work with Iran to remove 'deeply buried' nuclear material pic.twitter.com/zPB9iLbnZZ

— Fox News (@FoxNews) April 8, 2026

Keyno said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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It's a global PR pause. We pause, put up terms Iran will break, then we decimate them further and get to say "see, they had the chance but couldn't live up to some very basic terms the world agrees on like no nukes and not attacking the strait"

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I feel the need to remind you- in 2025, Israel sabotaged and bombed Iran during US/Iran negotiations. And in 2026, the US/Israel started bombing Iran during negations.

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"Sabotaged" lol. Since when in 46 years has anyone been successful peacefully negotiating anything with Iran?

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fc2112 said:

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You do realize this is just a cease fire, not a final negotiated end of the war, right?

Sounds like you've been listening to too much MSM news.

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Negotiated end to the war will look like the ceasefire. We've taken the leverage at the negotiating table away and anchored the counterparty at the ceasefire terms. If, as widely reported, the terms are along the lines of Iran's 10 point peace plan, we gave Iran a lot of concessions. Logically, Iran had a lot of leverage leading to the ceasefire because they controlled the Strait of Hormuz and we didn't have a way to open it. So I would say it's likely that any ceasefire is more likely than not more in Iran's favor.

As many of you whine about people being critical of the Trump administration (the left is the enemy within rhetoric), I think it's more important that we can honestly analyze the situation. When the terms are formalized, is America better or worse off than February 27th? Is the regime in Iran better or worse off? This isn't a lack of respect for the military or TDS…. This is an important practice of the virtue of truth. As it stands now, I think it's unlikely we were able to dominate and dictate terms in this ceasefire, unless your basis is that tweets like the ones Trump put out are worth anything in negotiation. I suspect that if you were on the other side of those tweets you'd be more likely to think your opponent was weak and running out of options than anything else. If Iran really hands over their uranium no questions asked and reopens the strait with no conditions I would say this whole operation is a moderate win. At this time, I think believing that is more magical thinking and the actual terms will look more like Iran's 10 point plan, which would be an absolute failure.

When this is all done, we need to be able to reflect on whether this military adventurism was worth it honestly. If we keep trying to frame our own truth around our political ideology then our capacity to project power as a country will continue to deteriorate.

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LOL, It appears that the US is going to accomplish the following:

- Getting rtd of all weapons manufacturing from the #1 terror organization on the planet
- Totally destroying the #1 terror organization on the planet's Navy and Air Force
- Opening up the SOH and lowering oil price across the world
- Destroying Iran's the #1 terror organization on the planet's long range missile capabilities
- US military presence in the SOH to ensure the regions safety.

And, accomplished all of this against the biggest power in the region in just a few months with minimal casualties or financial cost.

That would make everyone with TDS (impeachment, 25th amendment and all the other incredibly dumb positions) look like total idiots. Even the most corrupt MSM outlets would have to give credit to Trump for that.
But, I do agree that we should wait until this is done before giving insane amounts of credit to Trump for this. But, when it is over and all this is accomplished, we should heap massive amounts of praise on Trump for doing this.

Where will you be when/if this is accomplished?

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what are you talking about? where am i saying any of that?

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Your post from early morning 3:37 Am. Given you didnt quote your target, one must conclude the post directly above yours which actually presented a case with detail.

Pro Tip if you dont want to be misquoted or taken out of context. Quote the post you are responding to.

Even Gen Jack Keane on Fox last night said, in a nice way, that Trump gave in to Iran when he should not have.
The only reason Iran shut down the Strait of Hormuz was to stop US/Israel from more bombing. And it worked.

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sts7049 said:

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what are you talking about? where am i saying any of that?

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Your post from early morning 3:37 Am. Given you didnt quote your target, one must conclude the post directly above yours which actually presented a case with detail.

Pro Tip if you dont want to be misquoted or taken out of context. Quote the post you are responding to.

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you attacked me for being a lefty with zero context or information, when all my post was calling out an obvious bot who trolls this board with a bunch of nonsense. but i'm the problem.

maybe you should think more critically instead of being angry on the internet non stop

Iran has agreed to 11 out of the American conditions, and the remaining three are still under negotiation for the next two weeks:

1. A permanent commitment never to develop or possess nuclear weapons.
2. Handing over all its enriched uranium to the International Atomic Energy…

— Ahmed Khalifa (@_A_khalifa) April 8, 2026

The "entire world" was not good with the deal!! Smart people knew it was GARBAGE!

There is a reason it was not a treaty, but some nebulous non-binding agreement.

Let's see what happens but right now the regime still is in control, they still have uranium, they still control the strait.

War isn't over yet.

We certainly have drones, satellites, ELINT assets watching everything that pops out, turns on, moves, gets dug up, etc over the next 2 weeks. It'll give us a better updated target list if talks fall through. Make no mistake, we still have the vast advantage in leverage.

Trump had to have them believe that he is unpredictable enough and not purely rational enough to do the more extreme thing while also willing to negotiate if he gets serious terms and concessions. He always asks for much more than he expects.

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Iran has two weeks to build up forces for another counterattack?

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in other words, they'll help us out by gathering their remaining scattered forces into a smaller number of easily identifiable targets.

All Iran had to do is play nice with us, and well pretty much help them get back on their feet. It's all they have to do. So simple. No more death to America, behave, and suddenly things look so much better for everyone.

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sts7049 said:

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what are you talking about? where am i saying any of that?

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Your post from early morning 3:37 Am. Given you didnt quote your target, one must conclude the post directly above yours which actually presented a case with detail.

Pro Tip if you dont want to be misquoted or taken out of context. Quote the post you are responding to.

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you attacked me for being a lefty with zero context or information, when all my post was calling out an obvious bot who trolls this board with a bunch of nonsense. but i'm the problem.

maybe you should think more critically instead of being angry on the internet non stop

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Quote the post you are attacking then no problems. People will have the opportunity to be fairly critical and have more information in which to think critically. Last thing I want is a case of friendly fire. And yes this is a charged topic in charged up times. Stuff is gonna fly around.

That's asking a lot of the people in power. It's not like we haven't tried that over the last 47 years.

MouthBQ98 said:

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All Iran had to do is play nice with us, and well pretty much help them get back on their feet. It's all they have to do. So simple. No more death to America, behave, and suddenly things look so much better for everyone.

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With radical clerics in power you must factor in Muslims v Infidels.

Yes, but since Reeagan, we never at all demonstrated we are taking the matter seriously. Now, we have shown them we absolutely do. Maybe it is a little convincing.


I think personally we will see a second round of bombing for a few more weeks before this plays out. That gives us time to move more weapons and assets into theater and find more optimal targets. Iran needs to realize this is mercy, not concession.

My hot going-way-out-on-a-limb take: nothing will change and Iran will be back to doing their same **** in no more than a year from now.

The words 'Iran' and 'promise' should never be used in the same sentence.

So we bomb them again. As ling as we keep the boot on them, fine by me. It's how we should have handled Saddam. Destroy capability, eventually kill him, their country eventually will or will not sort it out. Not interested in nation building. Am interested in destroying their capabilities.

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Our enemy is within. The dems are more of a danger than Iran. Can you imagine a party within the US criticizing every move Roosevelt and Truman made in WW2?

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We have multiple enemies, but yes I agree. We've severely crippled one, but the other continues to gain strength. And the Democrats want to allow more Islam in our country by the day. I wish these lunatics would be forced to watch 24/7 live coverage of the UK, for a week anytime they turned on their TVs just to see what they're ok with ushering in.

nortex97 said:

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I don't think it matters if they think it's a lie or truly believe it at this point. I realized that about democrats way back when they were ramming through obamacare, and then when the Fauci-covidian belief system was concocted. The narrative must be publicly given and restated, in Party unison.

The reality in any case is obvious to all of us:

Because if the Iranian Mullahs and their "End of Times" theocracy obtained a nuke, they would be likely to use it in the fulfillment of a religious prophecy. https://t.co/AM5vvhTCT2

— Shipwreckedcrew (@shipwreckedcrew) April 7, 2026

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I think the official Iranian chant "Death to America" says it all.