TXAggie2011 said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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I dunno but I doubt the world will stand for a toll fee. Those bordering nations, and other interested nations will build pipelines overtime to avoid anything Iran wants to contol.

Iran is walking a tight line, risking its total isolation on this front.

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Most of the world will view a toll as explictly illegal under the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) and have no appetite for it.

And I'll say again, I don't understand how one can pay the Iranians tolls without violating sanctions and terrorism funding rules.

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oldyeller said:

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Gigem314 said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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rca21978 said:

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Have you read the 10 point proposal? Why even use this as a basis for negotiations?

- Pay reparations
- Allow Iran to enrich uranium
- Remove US troops from the region
- Allow Iran to control SOH

If we agree to these terms, why did we even start a war?

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Trump got completely cooked, and deep fried. We spent hundreds of billions and Iran has significantly expanded its geopolitical power.

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Iran's leadership being decimated and their military/resources taking major hits is the opposite of "significantly expanded" power.

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If they end up with long-term control of the Strait, and get to charge $2 million per vessel to pass through (even after splitting the proceeds with Oman), that will be handing them "significantly expanded" power. It will also lead to prices at the pump staying elevated to cover the transit fees.

I expect the transit fees, and the continued enrichment to be major sticking points in the upcoming negotiations. They still believe they have a "right" to enrich uranium, and claim the "fee" is to cover reconstruction of the stuff we have destroyed.

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GasPasser97 said:

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My guess is they get 2 weeks of oil shipped, then drop the hammer.

No way we have them on the mat and let them up without getting everything we want.

Those loons will do something stupid and give Trump all the cover he needs.

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Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:

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GasPasser97 said:

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My guess is they get 2 weeks of oil shipped, then drop the hammer.

No way we have them on the mat and let them up without getting everything we want.

Those loons will do something stupid and give Trump all the cover he needs.

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We dont have anyone on the mat, thats obvious to anyone who has any objectivity. If the short term toll thing is true while also having a cessation of bombs dropped on em so they can build new stockpiles then thats a net big win for Iran short term at least. Not sure how anyone can see it any other way.

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T dizl televizl said:

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T dizl televizl said:

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oldyeller said:

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Gigem314 said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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rca21978 said:

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Have you read the 10 point proposal? Why even use this as a basis for negotiations?

- Pay reparations
- Allow Iran to enrich uranium
- Remove US troops from the region
- Allow Iran to control SOH

If we agree to these terms, why did we even start a war?

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Trump got completely cooked, and deep fried. We spent hundreds of billions and Iran has significantly expanded its geopolitical power.

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Iran's leadership being decimated and their military/resources taking major hits is the opposite of "significantly expanded" power.

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If they end up with long-term control of the Strait, and get to charge $2 million per vessel to pass through (even after splitting the proceeds with Oman), that will be handing them "significantly expanded" power. It will also lead to prices at the pump staying elevated to cover the transit fees.

I expect the transit fees, and the continued enrichment to be major sticking points in the upcoming negotiations. They still believe they have a "right" to enrich uranium, and claim the "fee" is to cover reconstruction of the stuff we have destroyed.

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Hopefully someone smarter than me can answer this.

Are there any other straits or water passages in the world that are bordered by multiple countries, where a toll or passage fee is enacted to get through?

There are a handful of countries that have a boundary with the Persian Gulf that I think would have a very big problem with not being able to ship anything out on the water via the Strait of Hormuz without paying a fee to Iran/Oman.

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https://omareconomics.substack.com/p/the-illogicality-of-charging-tolls

Found a substack who claims that there are

"six widely recognized non-circumventable natural chokepoints: the Strait of Hormuz (Iran and Oman), Strait of Malacca (Indonesia, Malaysia, and Singapore), Bab al-Mandab (Yemen, Djibouti, and Eritrea), Turkish Straits - Bosporus, the Sea of Marmara, and the Dardanelles (Turkey), Danish Straits - the Great Belt, Little Belt, and the Sound (Denmark and Sweden), and the Strait of Gibraltar (Spain, Morocco, and Gibraltar)."

and apparently none of these charge for passage and that has been established maritime law since WW2

There are charges for some bodies of water for extra services (ie navigating ice waters in Russia), but none just for transit.

Iran has been apparently saying they are charging for "protection" which is basically a mafia tactic offering protection from yourself for a fee.

Only bodies of water (According to the substack) that charge a fee are manmade canals.

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Thunderstruck xx said:

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So what happens after two weeks?

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oldyeller said:

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T dizl televizl said:

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T dizl televizl said:

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oldyeller said:

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Gigem314 said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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rca21978 said:

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Have you read the 10 point proposal? Why even use this as a basis for negotiations?

- Pay reparations
- Allow Iran to enrich uranium
- Remove US troops from the region
- Allow Iran to control SOH

If we agree to these terms, why did we even start a war?

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Trump got completely cooked, and deep fried. We spent hundreds of billions and Iran has significantly expanded its geopolitical power.

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Iran's leadership being decimated and their military/resources taking major hits is the opposite of "significantly expanded" power.

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If they end up with long-term control of the Strait, and get to charge $2 million per vessel to pass through (even after splitting the proceeds with Oman), that will be handing them "significantly expanded" power. It will also lead to prices at the pump staying elevated to cover the transit fees.

I expect the transit fees, and the continued enrichment to be major sticking points in the upcoming negotiations. They still believe they have a "right" to enrich uranium, and claim the "fee" is to cover reconstruction of the stuff we have destroyed.

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Hopefully someone smarter than me can answer this.

Are there any other straits or water passages in the world that are bordered by multiple countries, where a toll or passage fee is enacted to get through?

There are a handful of countries that have a boundary with the Persian Gulf that I think would have a very big problem with not being able to ship anything out on the water via the Strait of Hormuz without paying a fee to Iran/Oman.

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https://omareconomics.substack.com/p/the-illogicality-of-charging-tolls

Found a substack who claims that there are

"six widely recognized non-circumventable natural chokepoints: the Strait of Hormuz (Iran and Oman), Strait of Malacca (Indonesia, Malaysia, and Singapore), Bab al-Mandab (Yemen, Djibouti, and Eritrea), Turkish Straits - Bosporus, the Sea of Marmara, and the Dardanelles (Turkey), Danish Straits - the Great Belt, Little Belt, and the Sound (Denmark and Sweden), and the Strait of Gibraltar (Spain, Morocco, and Gibraltar)."

and apparently none of these charge for passage and that has been established maritime law since WW2

There are charges for some bodies of water for extra services (ie navigating ice waters in Russia), but none just for transit.

Iran has been apparently saying they are charging for "protection" which is basically a mafia tactic offering protection from yourself for a fee.

Only bodies of water (According to the substack) that charge a fee are manmade canals.

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Thanks for sharing that. If I understood what the author was getting at, the freedom of navigation through those straits might fall under the heading "customary international law," but that simply makes it a norm that is only binding so long as everyone abides by it, with no force beyond that. If Iran succeeds in setting a precedent in charging tolls, the norm may evolve.

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infinity ag said:

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Making deals with Muslims is always fraught with problems. Firstly, they cannot be trusted as they claim they only obey Allah. Not the person they are dealing with. And in Islam, there is taqqiyya which means you can lie to a person "to save Islam". So they are okay lying to make fake deals to save their butts.

Foolish Westerners think everyone else thinks like the west and go into these deals and it all falls apart.

This will follow, just watch.

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infinity ag said:

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Making deals with Muslims is always fraught with problems. Firstly, they cannot be trusted as they claim they only obey Allah. Not the person they are dealing with. And in Islam, there is taqqiyya which means you can lie to a person "to save Islam". So they are okay lying to make fake deals to save their butts.

Foolish Westerners think everyone else thinks like the west and go into these deals and it all falls apart.

This will follow, just watch.

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Geminiv said:

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Thunderstruck xx said:

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So what happens after two weeks?

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Another 2 weeks

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Gigem314 said:

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infinity ag said:

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Making deals with Muslims is always fraught with problems. Firstly, they cannot be trusted as they claim they only obey Allah. Not the person they are dealing with. And in Islam, there is taqqiyya which means you can lie to a person "to save Islam". So they are okay lying to make fake deals to save their butts.

Foolish Westerners think everyone else thinks like the west and go into these deals and it all falls apart.

This will follow, just watch.

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That's already happened for years as we sat by while the Iranian regime waged war on the U.S. and allies with no consequences. What we've seen over the past several months is the correction, which is messy. No matter the outcome at this point, Iran has been set back significantly. But I'm sure there will be more foolish western leaders who would rather wag their finger at the U.S. and say it's our fault while making it as easy as possible for Iran to build itself up again.

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Ag with kids said:

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Kyle Field Shade Chaser said:

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Don't rust Iran for 1 millisecond

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He said he was going to VAPORIZE them, not OXIDIZE them...

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Colonel Kurtz said:

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Art of the deal baby

According to the AP, Iran and Oman will impose passage fees for transit through the Strait of Hormuz under Trump’s two-week ceasefire plan.

Iran will use the money for reconstruction.

Follow: @AFpost pic.twitter.com/mISUtRxj8B

— AF Post (@AFpost) April 8, 2026

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AggieVictor10 said:

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AgResearch said:

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Iranians only lie...

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Just like how polls were fake/rigged until Dear Leader said otherwise, as long as he says it, the cult will believe it.

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Trump every time the S&P 500 drops more than a percent pic.twitter.com/kFiy4VAqJR

— rwlk (@sherlock_hodles) April 7, 2026