Iran Has Capitulated to President Trump

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In reply to 4 • 1:13p, 4/17/26
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Keyno said:
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Mr.Milkshake said:
There is a certain group of ppl that are gonna be really butthurt when we get virtually everything we wanted out of Iran


If Iran still has any uranium when so is said and done, "virtually" might as well mean "everything but what really mattered and what we said we started our attack on their country for".

The immediate objective was to save the lives of servicemen and assets targeted by the Iranian front lines once Israel started their attack. And Israel attacked because Iran was stockpiling missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome.

Or do you think that we should have let Iran continue to stockpile the missiles?

Or do you think we should have let Iran hit US assets in response to Israel's attack?

Or would you put boots on the ground so that the US could extract the uranium ourselves at a massive expense?

What would you have done different?

You basically just admitted Israel dragged us into the war. Israel was going to strike, and we knew that Iran would retaliate, so the US had to strike as well. Why didn't we just compel Israel to NOT strike?

Because Iran building enough missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome was not in the US best security interests, unless we decided to completely abandon the ME altogether.

Do you think that allowing Iran to stockpile 100,000 missiles so that they could obliterate all US assets in the ME if they wanted to is a good strategic decision? Because, that is what was happening.

The timing of the attack was kinda forced by Israel. The necessity do do it was not.

Second, do you still believe that this dust up with Iran is going to be worse than the Iraq war?

Bro, you are doing that thing where you try to explain how Israel's security threats are the same as the US security threats. It's incorrect


Our interests are almost entirely interwoven. Letting some country wipe Israel off the map would make it an immediately more dangerous world for us.

This is the hangup for most of this board. The other hang up is realizing you were lied to

Such a tired, worn out trope

Yes it is. Trump has done a remarkable job through this and he and his advisers have made some great decisions. They can't stand it.
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In reply to Keyno • 1:15p, 4/17/26
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You avoided the question.

Should we abandon Al Udeid Air Base? I think the US has an interest in keeping Al Udeid Air Base, and protecting it from attack. I think that this is a US security interest and not an Israeli security interest.

If you answer no, when we were going to have to attack Iran eventually, it was just a matter of timing.

The only thing I "admitted" to was that the timing of the attack was influenced by Israel, which is true. The necessity of the attack was 100% clear unless we wanted to completely abandon the middle east.

Do you disagree that the attack was going to be necessary at some point unless we completely abandoned the middle east?

Why do you keep trying to shift the debate to Al Udeid Air Base?

And then your did another "reframe" of "we were going to have to attack Iran eventually".

This is absolutely not true (although I got another admission out of you which is we are the aggressors)

Unless you are a big Israel guy. Israel and Iran are regional rivals and competitors, which is why Israel has been asking US Presidents to bomb them for decades.

1) Al Udeid Air Base is likely our most important asset in the region. I am trying to get you to focus your comments.

2) I do believe that we were going to have to attack Iran eventually or abandon the ME. You disagree. Good, let's start there.
2a) Do you agree that Iran was amassing thousands of ballistic missiles?
2b) Do you agree that if Iran had enough ballistic missiles, that they could overwhelm US anti-defense missile systems and hit US targets?
2c) Do you agree that once Iran had enough ballistic missiles to hit US targets, they would have more of a deterrent to keep the US from attacking to stop their Uranium enrichment?
2d) Do you agree that if Iran could enrich uranium to get a nuke, they would?
2e) Do you agree that Iran having a nuke would be a bad thing for the US?

If 2a - 2e are true, why don't you think we would have to eventually attack Iran? If you disagree with 2a - 2e, which of them do you disagree with and why?
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In reply to Keyno • 1:17p, 4/17/26
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Unless you are a big Israel guy. Israel and Iran are regional rivals and competitors, which is why Israel has been asking US Presidents to bomb them for decades.

Please list the middle eastern countries west of Iran that are not rivals and competitors to Iran.

Iran hates ALL of them. The Jews, any Western style society, other Muslims, other Shia Muslims....

Why do you lefties think the rest of the Arab world is attacking Iran and not Israel during the middle of this???

Are they jOo PupPeTs, too?
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In reply to BusterAg • 1:33p, 4/17/26
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Keyno said:
BusterAg said:
You avoided the question.

Should we abandon Al Udeid Air Base? I think the US has an interest in keeping Al Udeid Air Base, and protecting it from attack. I think that this is a US security interest and not an Israeli security interest.

If you answer no, when we were going to have to attack Iran eventually, it was just a matter of timing.

The only thing I "admitted" to was that the timing of the attack was influenced by Israel, which is true. The necessity of the attack was 100% clear unless we wanted to completely abandon the middle east.

Do you disagree that the attack was going to be necessary at some point unless we completely abandoned the middle east?

Why do you keep trying to shift the debate to Al Udeid Air Base?

And then your did another "reframe" of "we were going to have to attack Iran eventually".

This is absolutely not true (although I got another admission out of you which is we are the aggressors)

Unless you are a big Israel guy. Israel and Iran are regional rivals and competitors, which is why Israel has been asking US Presidents to bomb them for decades.

1) Al Udeid Air Base is likely our most important asset in the region. I am trying to get you to focus your comments.

2) I do believe that we were going to have to attack Iran eventually or abandon the ME. You disagree. Good, let's start there.
2a) Do you agree that Iran was amassing thousands of ballistic missiles?
2b) Do you agree that if Iran had enough ballistic missiles, that they could overwhelm US anti-defense missile systems and hit US targets?
2c) Do you agree that once Iran had enough ballistic missiles to hit US targets, they would have more of a deterrent to keep the US from attacking to stop their Uranium enrichment?
2d) Do you agree that if Iran could enrich uranium to get a nuke, they would?
2e) Do you agree that Iran having a nuke would be a bad thing for the US?

If 2a - 2e are true, why don't you think we would have to eventually attack Iran? If you disagree with 2a - 2e, which of them do you disagree with and why?

2a- Iran has a massive stockpile of missiles and drones.
2b- Iran has enough missiles and drones to overwhelm US bases in their region. This one is an Israel security question framed as a US one.
2c- Iran is a signatory of the NPT, which ALLOWS uranium enrichment. Greatest Ally is not (curious). This is another Israel security question framed as a US one.
2d- Iran is a signatory of NPT. If Iran actually wanted to build a nuke, they could have done so many years ago. Iran has been using the security strategy of nuclear hedging. Their biggest rival in the region (Israel), is nuclear (although not a signatory of the NPT)
2e- Not really. I do not subscribe to the Mark Levin theory of "Iran is a death cult of terrorists that wants to nuke everyone". Interestingly enough, Greatest Ally actually has a policy called the Samson Option, where they declare they will nuke everyone if they feel sufficiently threatened.

So yeah, I don't know if my answers qualify for the result you were hoping for. I hope you learned something though
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In reply to 4 • 1:40p, 4/17/26
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Unless you are a big Israel guy. Israel and Iran are regional rivals and competitors, which is why Israel has been asking US Presidents to bomb them for decades.

Please list the middle eastern countries west of Iran that are not rivals and competitors to Iran.

Iran hates ALL of them. The Jews, any Western style society, other Muslims, other Shia Muslims....

Why do you lefties think the rest of the Arab world is attacking Iran and not Israel during the middle of this???

Are they jOo PupPeTs, too?

Bro I am America First. I just want my President to make American lives better. Unfortunately, if you vote GOP, you get war on the other side of the planet
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In reply to Keyno • 1:44p, 4/17/26
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Bro I am America First.

Cuz no you aren't. You want a weakened America. Your posts make that clear!

I'm Gipper
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In reply to Im Gipper • 1:47p, 4/17/26
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Bro I am America First.

Cuz no you aren't. You want a weakened America. Your posts make that clear!

Nah. I am tired of my countrymen dying in the ME on behalf of a foreign nation. I am also tired of spending trillions of American money to fight wars in the ME on behalf of a foreign nation
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In reply to Keyno • 1:50p, 4/17/26
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2c and 2d - Iran violated their obligations under the NPT by preventing IAEA inspectors access and inspection of all sites. Based on this, how can they be trusted as a signatory for any other obligation?
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In reply to Keyno • 1:56p, 4/17/26
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Keyno said:
4 said:
Keyno said:
Unless you are a big Israel guy. Israel and Iran are regional rivals and competitors, which is why Israel has been asking US Presidents to bomb them for decades.

Please list the middle eastern countries west of Iran that are not rivals and competitors to Iran.

Iran hates ALL of them. The Jews, any Western style society, other Muslims, other Shia Muslims....

Why do you lefties think the rest of the Arab world is attacking Iran and not Israel during the middle of this???

Are they jOo PupPeTs, too?

Bro I am America First. I just want my President to make American lives better. Unfortunately, if you vote GOP, you get war on the other side of the planet

Way to not address or answer a single point or question I put to you.
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In reply to Ag In Ok • 2:21p, 4/17/26
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2c and 2d - Iran violated their obligations under the NPT by preventing IAEA inspectors access and inspection of all sites. Based on this, how can they be trusted as a signatory for any other obligation?

I guess we need another history lesson. In 2015, The US and Iran (and the P5+1) signed the JCPOA. This put IAEA inspectors in all of Iran's enrichment sites 24/7 in return for sanctions relief. Everyone was happy, except Israel. In 2018, Trump ripped up the JCPOA unilaterally and then declared the IRGC a "terrorist organization" in 2019. Despite all of this, Iran allowed IAEA inspectors to remain. Iran ejected the IAEA inspectors in 2025 after the US bombed Iranian enrichment facilities. IAEA had 24/7 access to Iranian enrichment facilities up until 2025, and they maintained that there was no evidence of a nuclear weapons program.
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In reply to Im Gipper • 2:28p, 4/17/26
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Im Gipper said:
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Bro I am America First.

Cuz no you aren't. You want a weakened America. Your posts make that clear!

The only thing this war did was weaken America. Lost lives, equipment, billions of dollars for no discernible gain.
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In reply to Colonel Kurtz • 2:32p, 4/17/26
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Colonel Kurtz said:
Im Gipper said:
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Bro I am America First.

Cuz no you aren't. You want a weakened America. Your posts make that clear!

The only thing this war did was weaken America. Lost lives, equipment, billions of dollars for no discernible gain.

It also wiped out Iran's air force, navy, most of its ballistic missile launchers and senior leadership, so there is that as well...
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2:33p, 4/17/26
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Of course there was a measurable gain in all of this. A lot of people just can't/refuse to see it because of TDS.
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2:35p, 4/17/26
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I guarantee you Chinese and Russian war planners are reevaluating their plans.
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In reply to Colonel Kurtz • 2:36p, 4/17/26
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Im Gipper said:
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Bro I am America First.

Cuz no you aren't. You want a weakened America. Your posts make that clear!

The only thing this war did was weaken America. Lost lives, equipment, billions of dollars for no discernible gain.

So, it's a better idea to wait until Iran sends thousands of missiles over to Israel and completely overwhelm them while also hitting Americans at our bases and in that region at the same time? Sometimes you have to hit the bully first before they hit you first.

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In reply to Colonel Kurtz • 2:38p, 4/17/26
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Colonel Kurtz said:
Im Gipper said:
Quote:
Bro I am America First.

Cuz no you aren't. You want a weakened America. Your posts make that clear!

The only thing this war did was weaken America. Lost lives, equipment, billions of dollars for no discernible gain.

Other than neuter the biggest state terror sponsor in the world and unite the entire Middle East to arrange for European energy futures and reduce the strategic capacity of Russia and China to affect our national security... it did nothing... NOTHING!
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2:39p, 4/17/26
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IAEA inspectors in all enrichment sites 24/7


Not all sites. Declared facilities yes. Suspected military sites like Parchin? Iran could delay access for weeks through the dispute process. Nothing like a good bit of red tape to hide your nuke program.

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Everyone was happy except Israel


Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, and most Gulf states were furious. A bipartisan majority in Congress opposed it. Schumer voted against it. France had serious reservations.

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Iran allowed IAEA inspectors to remain (after Trump withdrew)


Iran systematically degraded access for years. They stopped the Additional Protocol in Feb 2021, removed IAEA cameras in June 2022, and barred experienced inspectors as persona non grata. Grossi was publicly raising alarms well before 2025.

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IAEA maintained no evidence of a weapons program


IAEA repeatedly flagged unexplained man-made uranium particles at undeclared sites and complained Iran wouldn't answer their questions. "We didn't find a bomb" and "they won't let us fully verify and won't explain what we did find" are very different statements.
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In reply to Colonel Kurtz • 2:43p, 4/17/26
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Colonel Kurtz said:
Im Gipper said:
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Bro I am America First.

Cuz no you aren't. You want a weakened America. Your posts make that clear!

The only thing this war did was weaken America. Lost lives, equipment, billions of dollars for no discernible gain.

You really have to squint hard to find "no discernible gain" in this. TDS ... Honest to God... Needs to be included in the DSM 5.
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In reply to Keyno • 2:43p, 4/17/26
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Keyno said:
4 said:
Keyno said:
Unless you are a big Israel guy. Israel and Iran are regional rivals and competitors, which is why Israel has been asking US Presidents to bomb them for decades.

Please list the middle eastern countries west of Iran that are not rivals and competitors to Iran.

Iran hates ALL of them. The Jews, any Western style society, other Muslims, other Shia Muslims....

Why do you lefties think the rest of the Arab world is attacking Iran and not Israel during the middle of this???

Are they jOo PupPeTs, too?

Bro I am America First. I just want my President to make American lives better. Unfortunately, if you vote GOP, you get war on the other side of the planet

Dude you ain't fooling anybody. At least not on this board. We all know what your motives are. Nice try.
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In reply to Keyno • 2:48p, 4/17/26
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You are just upset that the most likely path of wiping Israel off the map is gone.
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In reply to Keyno • 2:50p, 4/17/26
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Keyno said:
WestAustinAg said:
Keyno said:
BusterAg said:
Keyno said:
BusterAg said:
No Spin Ag said:
Mr.Milkshake said:
There is a certain group of ppl that are gonna be really butthurt when we get virtually everything we wanted out of Iran


If Iran still has any uranium when so is said and done, "virtually" might as well mean "everything but what really mattered and what we said we started our attack on their country for".

The immediate objective was to save the lives of servicemen and assets targeted by the Iranian front lines once Israel started their attack. And Israel attacked because Iran was stockpiling missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome.

Or do you think that we should have let Iran continue to stockpile the missiles?

Or do you think we should have let Iran hit US assets in response to Israel's attack?

Or would you put boots on the ground so that the US could extract the uranium ourselves at a massive expense?

What would you have done different?

You basically just admitted Israel dragged us into the war. Israel was going to strike, and we knew that Iran would retaliate, so the US had to strike as well. Why didn't we just compel Israel to NOT strike?

Because Iran building enough missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome was not in the US best security interests, unless we decided to completely abandon the ME altogether.

Do you think that allowing Iran to stockpile 100,000 missiles so that they could obliterate all US assets in the ME if they wanted to is a good strategic decision? Because, that is what was happening.

The timing of the attack was kinda forced by Israel. The necessity do do it was not.

Second, do you still believe that this dust up with Iran is going to be worse than the Iraq war?

Bro, you are doing that thing where you try to explain how Israel's security threats are the same as the US security threats. It's incorrect


Our interests are almost entirely interwoven. Letting some country wipe Israel off the map would make it an immediately more dangerous world for us.

This is the hangup for most of this board. The other hang up is realizing you were lied to

Well i'll tell you what, this President is truly sharper than a tack.
He's the whole freaking Home Depot store compared to the dimwit "sharp as a tack" before him.

Trump is reshaping the global order and putting America first . While the MSM looks for gotcha's like a squirrel chasing stale nuts.

LOL,.."lied to" what a joke.
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In reply to Sims • 2:54p, 4/17/26
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The #OrangeManBad crowd doesn't give a hoot about facts- knock it off & get with The Program!
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In reply to Keyno • 2:57p, 4/17/26
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Keyno said:
BusterAg said:
1) Al Udeid Air Base is likely our most important asset in the region. I am trying to get you to focus your comments.

2) I do believe that we were going to have to attack Iran eventually or abandon the ME. You disagree. Good, let's start there.
2a) Do you agree that Iran was amassing thousands of ballistic missiles?
2b) Do you agree that if Iran had enough ballistic missiles, that they could overwhelm US anti-defense missile systems and hit US targets?
2c) Do you agree that once Iran had enough ballistic missiles to hit US targets, they would have more of a deterrent to keep the US from attacking to stop their Uranium enrichment?
2d) Do you agree that if Iran could enrich uranium to get a nuke, they would?
2e) Do you agree that Iran having a nuke would be a bad thing for the US?

If 2a - 2e are true, why don't you think we would have to eventually attack Iran? If you disagree with 2a - 2e, which of them do you disagree with and why?

2a- Iran has a massive stockpile of missiles and drones.
2b- Iran has enough missiles and drones to overwhelm US bases in their region. This one is an Israel security question framed as a US one.
2c- Iran is a signatory of the NPT, which ALLOWS uranium enrichment. Greatest Ally is not (curious). This is another Israel security question framed as a US one.
2d- Iran is a signatory of NPT. If Iran actually wanted to build a nuke, they could have done so many years ago. Iran has been using the security strategy of nuclear hedging. Their biggest rival in the region (Israel), is nuclear (although not a signatory of the NPT)
2e- Not really. I do not subscribe to the Mark Levin theory of "Iran is a death cult of terrorists that wants to nuke everyone". Interestingly enough, Greatest Ally actually has a policy called the Samson Option, where they declare they will nuke everyone if they feel sufficiently threatened.

So yeah, I don't know if my answers qualify for the result you were hoping for. I hope you learned something though

I appreciate the very candid response.

Marco Rubio believed that Iran is trying to stockpile enough missiles to overwhelm US anti-missile defense systems, and that is why Israel attacked. I believe him. You don't. That is the source of the disagreement. That is fine.

Iran did not have enough missiles or drones to overwhelm US anti-missile systems. The proof is that they tried to after we attacked, and they were largely unsuccessful.

If you think that Iran has any reason to enrich Uranium, I believe that you are delusional. We will give them all of the unenriched uranium that they want for peaceful purposes.

If you think that Iran having a nuke would not be a bad thing for the US, I believe that you are delusional. Iran is a government who draws their power on the chant "death to America".

Your concern over Israel having a nuke and lack of concern for Iran having a nuke is also very telling.

And I did learn something, thank you for asking. What I learned is that your underlying assumptions are much more closely aligned to those of the Iranian government than they are the intelligence of the US government as communicated by Trump and Rubio, which means I really don't care at all what you think, but very happy you articulated why you carry the opinions that you do.
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In reply to Keyno • 3:03p, 4/17/26
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Keyno said:
4 said:
Keyno said:
Unless you are a big Israel guy. Israel and Iran are regional rivals and competitors, which is why Israel has been asking US Presidents to bomb them for decades.

Please list the middle eastern countries west of Iran that are not rivals and competitors to Iran.

Iran hates ALL of them. The Jews, any Western style society, other Muslims, other Shia Muslims....

Why do you lefties think the rest of the Arab world is attacking Iran and not Israel during the middle of this???

Are they jOo PupPeTs, too?

Bro I am America First. I just want my President to make American lives better. Unfortunately, if you vote GOP, you get war on the other side of the planet


When asked if Iran having a nuke was bad for America, your response was:

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Not really. I do not subscribe to the Mark Levin theory of "Iran is a death cult of terrorists that wants to nuke everyone". Interestingly enough, Greatest Ally actually has a policy called the Samson Option, where they declare they will nuke everyone if they feel sufficiently threatened.

Thinking that it is OK for Iran to have a nuke is much closer to "Death to America" than it is to "America First".
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3:03p, 4/17/26
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When you're enriching uranium.... 300-ft underground......

Not sure how else to clue you in....
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In reply to BusterAg • 3:08p, 4/17/26
BusterAg said:
Keyno said:
BusterAg said:
1) Al Udeid Air Base is likely our most important asset in the region. I am trying to get you to focus your comments.

2) I do believe that we were going to have to attack Iran eventually or abandon the ME. You disagree. Good, let's start there.
2a) Do you agree that Iran was amassing thousands of ballistic missiles?
2b) Do you agree that if Iran had enough ballistic missiles, that they could overwhelm US anti-defense missile systems and hit US targets?
2c) Do you agree that once Iran had enough ballistic missiles to hit US targets, they would have more of a deterrent to keep the US from attacking to stop their Uranium enrichment?
2d) Do you agree that if Iran could enrich uranium to get a nuke, they would?
2e) Do you agree that Iran having a nuke would be a bad thing for the US?

If 2a - 2e are true, why don't you think we would have to eventually attack Iran? If you disagree with 2a - 2e, which of them do you disagree with and why?

2a- Iran has a massive stockpile of missiles and drones.
2b- Iran has enough missiles and drones to overwhelm US bases in their region. This one is an Israel security question framed as a US one.
2c- Iran is a signatory of the NPT, which ALLOWS uranium enrichment. Greatest Ally is not (curious). This is another Israel security question framed as a US one.
2d- Iran is a signatory of NPT. If Iran actually wanted to build a nuke, they could have done so many years ago. Iran has been using the security strategy of nuclear hedging. Their biggest rival in the region (Israel), is nuclear (although not a signatory of the NPT)
2e- Not really. I do not subscribe to the Mark Levin theory of "Iran is a death cult of terrorists that wants to nuke everyone". Interestingly enough, Greatest Ally actually has a policy called the Samson Option, where they declare they will nuke everyone if they feel sufficiently threatened.

So yeah, I don't know if my answers qualify for the result you were hoping for. I hope you learned something though

I appreciate the very candid response.

Marco Rubio believed that Iran is trying to stockpile enough missiles to overwhelm US anti-missile defense systems, and that is why Israel attacked. I believe him. You don't. That is the source of the disagreement. That is fine.

Iran did not have enough missiles or drones to overwhelm US anti-missile systems. The proof is that they tried to after we attacked, and they were largely unsuccessful.

If you think that Iran has any reason to enrich Uranium, I believe that you are delusional. We will give them all of the unenriched uranium that they want for peaceful purposes.

If you think that Iran having a nuke would not be a bad thing for the US, I believe that you are delusional. Iran is a government who draws their power on the chant "death to America".

Your concern over Israel having a nuke and lack of concern for Iran having a nuke is also very telling.

And I did learn something, thank you for asking. What I learned is that your underlying assumptions are much more closely aligned to those of the Iranian government than they are the intelligence of the US government as communicated by Trump and Rubio, which means I really don't care at all what you think, but very happy you articulated why you carry the opinions that you do.

Yikes this is going to be another long one. I will start by thanking you for the candid response as well.

Israel did not attack because Iran was trying to stockpile enough missiles to overwhelm US-anti missile systems. Israel attacked because Israel has wanted to take out Iran for like 5 decades, and they finally got a US President who would back them.

Iran has enough missiles and drones to close the Strait of Hormuz, which is why it has been closed.

Iran has the right to enrich uranium because they are a signatory of the NPT. It literally grants the right to enrich uranium. Greatest Ally is not a signatory- I noticed you did not address this when I said it earlier and I doubt you will now.

The "death to America" thing is basically a reaction to American action in the ME (and support for Greatest Ally). As an American, I would like to see the entire ME denuclearized. America has a stated policy of non proliferation- which apparently does not apply to Greatest Ally (not a signatory of the NPT)

Look man, you can say whatever. This is a political message board and we are talking politics.
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In reply to Colonel Kurtz • 3:09p, 4/17/26
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Im Gipper said:
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Bro I am America First.

Cuz no you aren't. You want a weakened America. Your posts make that clear!

The only thing this war did was weaken America. Lost lives, equipment, billions of dollars for no discernible gain.


This is such a bad take.

You can argue it wasn't worth the cost. You could argue things have spun out of control

You simply can't argue that we have gained nothing from the conflict. We have started to galvanize the US+IsrealSaudi and friends alliance. We have destroyed Iran's ability to project power. We have completely destabilized the regime.
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4:11p, 4/17/26
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Keyno may not like the results but the stock market sure does.

Trump did promise wins.
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Keyno said:
Unless you are a big Israel guy. Israel and Iran are regional rivals and competitors, which is why Israel has been asking US Presidents to bomb them for decades.

Please list the middle eastern countries west of Iran that are not rivals and competitors to Iran.

Iran hates ALL of them. The Jews, any Western style society, other Muslims, other Shia Muslims....

Why do you lefties think the rest of the Arab world is attacking Iran and not Israel during the middle of this???

Are they jOo PupPeTs, too?

That's it in a nutshell. Those that can't see that are anti-dentites.
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4 said:
Yep. Trump is an absolute master at distracting the liberals and the press with his left hand while he accomplishes every goal he has set out with his right hand, with incredibly accurate efficiency.

And people still don't seem to understand his MO. The chaos, the confusion, the name calling, the hyperbole, all of it. All of the over the top stuff is part and parcel to his strategy.

Yet people just can't get past their feelings.

You would think with these type of results, people would learn to exercise a little patience.

Every time I see tons of libs jumping to a thread (like the Jesus one recently) like moths to a flame I just laugh because it's exactly what he wants. Focus on mean tweets, focus on his expressions (especially the idiots who take him literally), focus on ANYTHING other than what he's actually accomplishing.
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5:04p, 4/17/26
Let me tell you guys something. Not since WWII and during all Boomer years (I'm 68) has the US fought a military war where something meaningful was actually accomplished. During my lifetime we've fought to ties and sometimes slithered away bruised pretty bad. Heck, we've had to rely on WWII stories to remember when we had stones. Boys willing to go overseas and face death. Folks back at home cranking out everything they needed plus stuff for our allies. The country was united. Our involvement lasted 3.8 years. Russia-Ukraine has been going on over 4 years. Think about that. We went from producing cars to building tanks, planes and ships in a blink of the eye.
Today, half the country hates we accomplished something big and are turning the tide on China/Russia. The Cold War ending was temporary. It's back and we have two adversaries this time. More China than Russia, though.
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4 said:
We should have named it "Operation Child's Play"

Or "Operation Poopy Pants"

Then proceed to obliterate them as we have.

Now that would be epic. A truly in your face boss move.

Do you REALLY think Trump would have named the operation after Biden?
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In reply to Keyno • 5:36p, 4/17/26
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BusterAg said:
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BusterAg said:
You avoided the question.

Should we abandon Al Udeid Air Base? I think the US has an interest in keeping Al Udeid Air Base, and protecting it from attack. I think that this is a US security interest and not an Israeli security interest.

If you answer no, when we were going to have to attack Iran eventually, it was just a matter of timing.

The only thing I "admitted" to was that the timing of the attack was influenced by Israel, which is true. The necessity of the attack was 100% clear unless we wanted to completely abandon the middle east.

Do you disagree that the attack was going to be necessary at some point unless we completely abandoned the middle east?

Why do you keep trying to shift the debate to Al Udeid Air Base?

And then your did another "reframe" of "we were going to have to attack Iran eventually".

This is absolutely not true (although I got another admission out of you which is we are the aggressors)

Unless you are a big Israel guy. Israel and Iran are regional rivals and competitors, which is why Israel has been asking US Presidents to bomb them for decades.

1) Al Udeid Air Base is likely our most important asset in the region. I am trying to get you to focus your comments.

2) I do believe that we were going to have to attack Iran eventually or abandon the ME. You disagree. Good, let's start there.
2a) Do you agree that Iran was amassing thousands of ballistic missiles?
2b) Do you agree that if Iran had enough ballistic missiles, that they could overwhelm US anti-defense missile systems and hit US targets?
2c) Do you agree that once Iran had enough ballistic missiles to hit US targets, they would have more of a deterrent to keep the US from attacking to stop their Uranium enrichment?
2d) Do you agree that if Iran could enrich uranium to get a nuke, they would?
2e) Do you agree that Iran having a nuke would be a bad thing for the US?

If 2a - 2e are true, why don't you think we would have to eventually attack Iran? If you disagree with 2a - 2e, which of them do you disagree with and why?

2a- Iran has had a massive stockpile of missiles and drones. BECAUSE WE BOMBED THE **** OUT OF THEM
2b- Iran has enough missiles and drones to overwhelm US bases in their region. This one is an Israel security question framed as a US one. FALSE - BUT THEY WERE GETTING THERE
2c- Iran is a signatory of the NPT, which ALLOWS uranium enrichment. Greatest Ally is not (curious). This is another Israel security question framed as a US one. IT DOES NOT ALLOW ENRICHMENT ABOVE (IIRC) 3.7% WHICH IS ALL THAT IS NECESSARY FOR FUEL. IRAN HAD ENRICHED UP TO 60%
2d- Iran is a signatory of NPT. If Iran actually wanted to build a nuke, they could have done so many years ago. Iran has been using the security strategy of nuclear hedging. Their biggest rival in the region (Israel), is nuclear (although not a signatory of the NPT) WELL, THEY RECENTLY ENRICHED TO 60%, SO IT APPEARS THAT THEY HAD DECIDED THEY WANT A NUKE.
2e- Not really. I do not subscribe to the Mark Levin theory of "Iran is a death cult of terrorists that wants to nuke everyone". Interestingly enough, Greatest Ally actually has a policy called the Samson Option, where they declare they will nuke everyone if they feel sufficiently threatened. DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH IRAN HAVING A NUKE WOULD DISRUPT THE ENTIRE WORLD? THEY ARE CURRENTLY THE LARGEST EXPORTER OF TERRORISM IN THE WORLD. NOW ADD NUKES TO THEIR ARSENAL.

So yeah, I don't know if my answers qualify for the result you were hoping for. I hope you learned something though

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Keyno said:
4 said:
Keyno said:
Unless you are a big Israel guy. Israel and Iran are regional rivals and competitors, which is why Israel has been asking US Presidents to bomb them for decades.

Please list the middle eastern countries west of Iran that are not rivals and competitors to Iran.

Iran hates ALL of them. The Jews, any Western style society, other Muslims, other Shia Muslims....

Why do you lefties think the rest of the Arab world is attacking Iran and not Israel during the middle of this???

Are they jOo PupPeTs, too?

Bro I am America First. I just want my President to make American lives better. Unfortunately, if you vote GOP, you get war on the other side of the planet

Based on your posting, you are America ONLY...

Isolationism is a really good way to make America LAST...
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Silent For Too Long said:
Colonel Kurtz said:
Im Gipper said:
Quote:
Bro I am America First.

Cuz no you aren't. You want a weakened America. Your posts make that clear!

The only thing this war did was weaken America. Lost lives, equipment, billions of dollars for no discernible gain.


This is such a bad take.

You can argue it wasn't worth the cost. You could argue things have spun out of control

You simply can't argue that we have gained nothing from the conflict. We have started to galvanize the US+IsrealSaudi and friends alliance. We have destroyed Iran's ability to project power. We have completely destabilized the regime.


I think the poster was being sarcastic.
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