Next few days are going to be pivotal for all, the markets are looking for stability in SoH, the mullahs know it along with DJT, if we secure that, the mullahs will be forced back to negotiation table.
Haleyscomet50 said:BMX Bandit said:
You should DM Trump and let him know you figured it all out.
Wait, never mind. Trump is controlled by Netanyahu, so Trump already knows this.
Somebody should have. We can't win I take no pleasure in saying that. Great reason why we shouldn't have got in to begin with. Trillions a year on defense and we can't open a 20 mile strait? Why are we paying all these taxes? This only makes us weaker going forward. Iran only had to not loose to win and they didn't loose. Impossible to win without being fully committed to leveling the place and occupation. Again who wins in this? Israel. American people are tired of the lies. Iran never killed 30k protesters the people were never going to rise up. So how can intelligence be this bad so many times? I will give you one guess.
We look weak to Arab nations we can't protect them. They let us build bases and trade in the petro dollar for what? Iran wins with 2,000 dollar drones and we do nothing about. Does that make us a stronger protector or a weaker one? Who looks stronger China or us? Things won't change until later they would never on Trumps watch he has been a friend and good business partner to the kingdom but eventually things will change the yen cheap Chinese workers just remember how instead of diplomacy we went to war and put another country needs ahead of ours. All we need is cheap oil.... to sleep safely in our beds and to project power we had all before this war kicked off.
Tucker was correct about one thing 2 nations can't wage war as equals no 2 nations share the same goals and interest.
KerrAg76 said:
Send them back to the Stone Age. One power plant and one refinery per day. Let them see what could happen to them.
Haleyscomet50 said:BMX Bandit said:
You should DM Trump and let him know you figured it all out.
Wait, never mind. Trump is controlled by Netanyahu, so Trump already knows this.
Somebody should have. We can't win I take no pleasure in saying that. Great reason why we shouldn't have got in to begin with. Trillions a year on defense and we can't open a 20 mile strait? Why are we paying all these taxes? This only makes us weaker going forward. Iran only had to not loose to win and they didn't loose. Impossible to win without being fully committed to leveling the place and occupation. Again who wins in this? Israel. American people are tired of the lies. Iran never killed 30k protesters the people were never going to rise up. So how can intelligence be this bad so many times? I will give you one guess.
We look weak to Arab nations we can't protect them. They let us build bases and trade in the petro dollar for what? Iran wins with 2,000 dollar drones and we do nothing about. Does that make us a stronger protector or a weaker one? Who looks stronger China or us? Things won't change until later they would never on Trumps watch he has been a friend and good business partner to the kingdom but eventually things will change the yen cheap Chinese workers just remember how instead of diplomacy we went to war and put another country needs ahead of ours. All we need is cheap oil.... to sleep safely in our beds and to project power we had all before this war kicked off.
Tucker was correct about one thing 2 nations can't wage war as equals no 2 nations share the same goals and interest.
KentK93 said:Haleyscomet50 said:BMX Bandit said:
You should DM Trump and let him know you figured it all out.
Wait, never mind. Trump is controlled by Netanyahu, so Trump already knows this.
Somebody should have. We can't win I take no pleasure in saying that. Great reason why we shouldn't have got in to begin with. Trillions a year on defense and we can't open a 20 mile strait? Why are we paying all these taxes? This only makes us weaker going forward. Iran only had to not loose to win and they didn't loose. Impossible to win without being fully committed to leveling the place and occupation. Again who wins in this? Israel. American people are tired of the lies. Iran never killed 30k protesters the people were never going to rise up. So how can intelligence be this bad so many times? I will give you one guess.
We look weak to Arab nations we can't protect them. They let us build bases and trade in the petro dollar for what? Iran wins with 2,000 dollar drones and we do nothing about. Does that make us a stronger protector or a weaker one? Who looks stronger China or us? Things won't change until later they would never on Trumps watch he has been a friend and good business partner to the kingdom but eventually things will change the yen cheap Chinese workers just remember how instead of diplomacy we went to war and put another country needs ahead of ours. All we need is cheap oil.... to sleep safely in our beds and to project power we had all before this war kicked off.
Tucker was correct about one thing 2 nations can't wage war as equals no 2 nations share the same goals and interest.
Iran is out of cards and the US has many more cards to play. On of those cards is being played right now:
https://pjmedia.com/catherinesalgado/2026/04/12/us-to-blockade-strait-of-hormuz-due-to-iranian-mines-as-iran-says-no-deal-n4951708
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21 Hours in Pakistan: How Vance Tried and Failed to End a War He Opposed
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And now, Mr. Trump must decide what to do next: return to the negotiating table or resume a deadly and costly conflict that has already created the largest energy disruption in modern times. On Sunday, he partly answered the question by announcing a naval blockade on the Strait of Hormuz, which is generally considered an act of war.
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And now, Mr. Trump must decide what to do next: return to the negotiating table or resume a deadly and costly conflict that has already created the largest energy disruption in modern times. On Sunday, he partly answered the question by announcing a naval blockade on the Strait of Hormuz, which is generally considered an act of war.
That last part made me literally LMAO...
Yeah, NYT...the BLOCKADE is an act of war. Not the 6 weeks of bombing the absolute **** out of them. It was the blockade that was the final straw...
Sq 17 said:
It would be an ongoing operation that would certainly extend beyond 60 days
It is an action that is not confined to a targeted objective and would affect the region at large and would require taking control of international waters
A. Blockade is an escalation
Sq 17 said:
It would be an ongoing operation that would certainly extend beyond 60 days
It is an action that is not confined to a targeted objective and would affect the region at large and would require taking control of international waters
A. Blockade is an escalation
SteveA said:
" Trump rightfully boasts about our military. Time to show the world what he can really unleash and make the world forever safe from Iran and give the Iranians their country back."
Boots on ground does nothing but harden Iranians against the us.
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Boots on the ground means Trump is serious about finishing the job, because unless we're going to bomb the entire population into Bolivia, that's the only way to make sure we don't ever have to worry about them again, or at least for longer than if we just up and leave now..
No Spin Ag said:SteveA said:
" Trump rightfully boasts about our military. Time to show the world what he can really unleash and make the world forever safe from Iran and give the Iranians their country back."
Boots on ground does nothing but harden Iranians against the us.
Because they haven't been hardened against us before, and especially after we killed their leader?
Boots on the ground means Trump is serious about finishing the job, because unless we're going to bomb the entire population into Bolivia, that's the only way to make sure we don't ever have to worry about them again, or at least for longer than if we just up and leave now..
2026NCAggies said:
I am a Trump supporter and I do believe we needed to handle Iran. I also think we have accomplished most of our set goals
But when you start something, you need to finish it. New obstacles arise in war, which means new goals.
Trump rushed in to this cease fire and it is showing. IDK why he put himself in a position to even have a deadline for a cease fire. He should have just knocked their Di**s in the dirt and took out their infrastructure.
Now he looks weak rushing in to a cease fire, basically begging for them to open the strait. THAT WAS A REQ. FOR THE CEASE FIRE! They have not opened it and it makes him look weak and stupid. Now he is begging, INSTEAD OF GOING BACK IN AND FING THEM UP. Weak Weak Weak, it pisses me off.
Why hasn't he stopped their customers from entering or leaving the strait?
Did he not have a Fing plan for this? Because this is a new goal that came from this war and he looks dumb AF trying to open it and solve it.
He is leaving it up to Iran, which basically emboldens them. Now it looks like we are defeated in an aspect of this conflict. WHEN HE COULD HAVE GOTTEN IT DONE IN OTHER WAYS. HE fell right in to their trap and looks like a dumbass
Guess what, you are giving them a lifeline with this negotiations and deal you are trying to make. you will be giving them a boat load of cash by lifting sanctions and letting them collect a Fing toll.
We would not have to be making a deal had he had a plan to open the strait, without the strait they have no advantage to do anything.
Sorry for the rant but we could have CLEARLY won this thing had we planned to open the strait ourselves. Now we look dumb, everything we accomplished is out the window all because the strait, something with good plans could have been avoided
I mean this post very respectfully.No Spin Ag said:Burnsey said:
Welp. This means boots on the ground. There's just no other way.
There never was going to be, and anyone who thinks we can just "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran" into an entirely new form of government, or, in their case, reverting back to the constitutional monarchy they were, was naive at best and a fool at worst.
Anything less than putting our military on the ground, going through the streets of every place necessary to make MIGA, is the only way.
Anything less was pointless, save for making the MIC and everyone who made stock trades (legally and questionably) during this time.
Trump rightfully boasts about our military. Time to show the world what he can really unleash and make the world forever safe from Iran and give the Iranians their country back.
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Voluntary enlistment in the U.S. military creates a legally binding contract (oath) requiring service members to serve a designated time, typically an 8-year Military Service Obligation (MSO) divided between active duty and the Reserves. Obligations include adhering to military laws (UCMJ), obeying lawful orders, attending training, and potential deployment.
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Voluntary enlistment in the U.S. military creates a legally binding contract (oath) requiring service members to serve a designated time, typically an 8-year Military Service Obligation (MSO) divided between active duty and the Reserves. Obligations include adhering to military laws (UCMJ), obeying lawful orders, attending training, and potential deployment.
The above is from a google search "what are the obligations for someone who voluntarily signed up to serv in the USA military". Please point out where it gives discretion based on individual personal opinion and/or whether various billionaires/celebrities/public figures are participating in the conflict.
I'll wait
I'm from the draft lottery generation. I don't see any relevance in your statement.agent-maroon said:
You do know that military service is strictly voluntary and we haven't had a draft in over 50 years, right?
Eliminatus said:
Politicians have, of should have, a moral and ethical obligation to spend our treasure and lives in meaningful conflicts. Not political dalliances and personal pursuits of power.
I hope you are not that ignorant or flippant towards the military. They are not automatons, blindly following orders with no thoughts of what or why they are doing what they doing. This is a really weird hill to fight on.
AGHouston11 said:No Spin Ag said:SteveA said:
" Trump rightfully boasts about our military. Time to show the world what he can really unleash and make the world forever safe from Iran and give the Iranians their country back."
Boots on ground does nothing but harden Iranians against the us.
Because they haven't been hardened against us before, and especially after we killed their leader?
Boots on the ground means Trump is serious about finishing the job, because unless we're going to bomb the entire population into Bolivia, that's the only way to make sure we don't ever have to worry about them again, or at least for longer than if we just up and leave now..
Which is what many said from day one why this was not going to work the way it was "planned"! Who told Trump that this was not going to be needed? Who told him they could bomb for 4-6 weeks and this would be mission accomplished? Were they intentionally lying to him or just that wrong. Are they the same ones still advising him?
DeschutesAg said:I'm from the draft lottery generation. I don't see any relevance in your statement.agent-maroon said:
You do know that military service is strictly voluntary and we haven't had a draft in over 50 years, right?
I don't believe they volunteered to be wastefully used as a personal military force for a dubious, unnecessary foreign war, or to fight and die or be wounded for Wall Street hedge funds / private equity funds and billionaire elites and our corrupt U.S. politicians who have sold their votes to domestic and foreign interests.
I thought our sons and daughters volunteered to defend the USA and our national security and NATO members and western-style democracy nation allies like Japan, South Korea, and Australia.
I understand there are also many other legitmate missions and uses of our military which encompass a lot of gray areas that risk their lives. Missions which arguably involve national security interests. I understand and accept that.
But I have a big problem with sending thousands of Americans to die or be wounded in an unnecessary foreign war that will personally enrich our billionaire President, his billionaire son in law, his family businesses, and his billionaire donators and supporters.
If I am missing something, please explain it me.
GAC06 said:
Trump was told that regime change was very unlikely and that the strait would likely be closed for an extended period. He decided to go anyway. This was not an intelligence failure.
FWTXAg said:DeschutesAg said:I'm from the draft lottery generation. I don't see any relevance in your statement.agent-maroon said:
You do know that military service is strictly voluntary and we haven't had a draft in over 50 years, right?
I don't believe they volunteered to be wastefully used as a personal military force for a dubious, unnecessary foreign war, or to fight and die or be wounded for Wall Street hedge funds / private equity funds and billionaire elites and our corrupt U.S. politicians who have sold their votes to domestic and foreign interests.
I thought our sons and daughters volunteered to defend the USA and our national security and NATO members and western-style democracy nation allies like Japan, South Korea, and Australia.
I understand there are also many other legitmate missions and uses of our military which encompass a lot of gray areas that risk their lives. Missions which arguably involve national security interests. I understand and accept that.
But I have a big problem with sending thousands of Americans to die or be wounded in an unnecessary foreign war that will personally enrich our billionaire President, his billionaire son in law, his family businesses, and his billionaire donators and supporters.
If I am missing something, please explain it me.
You're not missing anything. The only reason nations fight wars are for money. Middle Class Americans are letting our overlords know that we are done with that, forever.
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I'm of the opinion that this is a fight worth having.
SteveA said:Quote:
I'm of the opinion that this is a fight worth having.
To what end? They don't have a clear picture of what victory even looks like.
SteveA said:Quote:
I'm of the opinion that this is a fight worth having.
To what end? They don't have a clear picture of what victory even looks like.
Ag with kids said:KentK93 said:Haleyscomet50 said:BMX Bandit said:
You should DM Trump and let him know you figured it all out.
Wait, never mind. Trump is controlled by Netanyahu, so Trump already knows this.
Somebody should have. We can't win I take no pleasure in saying that. Great reason why we shouldn't have got in to begin with. Trillions a year on defense and we can't open a 20 mile strait? Why are we paying all these taxes? This only makes us weaker going forward. Iran only had to not loose to win and they didn't loose. Impossible to win without being fully committed to leveling the place and occupation. Again who wins in this? Israel. American people are tired of the lies. Iran never killed 30k protesters the people were never going to rise up. So how can intelligence be this bad so many times? I will give you one guess.
We look weak to Arab nations we can't protect them. They let us build bases and trade in the petro dollar for what? Iran wins with 2,000 dollar drones and we do nothing about. Does that make us a stronger protector or a weaker one? Who looks stronger China or us? Things won't change until later they would never on Trumps watch he has been a friend and good business partner to the kingdom but eventually things will change the yen cheap Chinese workers just remember how instead of diplomacy we went to war and put another country needs ahead of ours. All we need is cheap oil.... to sleep safely in our beds and to project power we had all before this war kicked off.
Tucker was correct about one thing 2 nations can't wage war as equals no 2 nations share the same goals and interest.
Iran is out of cards and the US has many more cards to play. On of those cards is being played right now:
https://pjmedia.com/catherinesalgado/2026/04/12/us-to-blockade-strait-of-hormuz-due-to-iranian-mines-as-iran-says-no-deal-n4951708
You have to love the NY Times...Quote:
21 Hours in Pakistan: How Vance Tried and Failed to End a War He OpposedQuote:
And now, Mr. Trump must decide what to do next: return to the negotiating table or resume a deadly and costly conflict that has already created the largest energy disruption in modern times. On Sunday, he partly answered the question by announcing a naval blockade on the Strait of Hormuz, which is generally considered an act of war.
That last part made me literally LMAO...
Yeah, NYT...the BLOCKADE is an act of war. Not the 6 weeks of bombing the absolute **** out of them. It was the blockade that was the final straw...
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Their point is that you dont commit an act of war during a cease fire.
Ag with kids said:
You have to love the NY Times...Quote:
21 Hours in Pakistan: How Vance Tried and Failed to End a War He OpposedQuote:
And now, Mr. Trump must decide what to do next: return to the negotiating table or resume a deadly and costly conflict that has already created the largest energy disruption in modern times. On Sunday, he partly answered the question by announcing a naval blockade on the Strait of Hormuz, which is generally considered an act of war.
That last part made me literally LMAO...
Yeah, NYT...the BLOCKADE is an act of war. Not the 6 weeks of bombing the absolute **** out of them. It was the blockade that was the final straw...
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A blockade is the physical, strategic surrounding or sealing off of a place usually a port, city, or country by military forces, ships, or aircraft to prevent the entry or exit of people and supplies.