jwoodmd said:

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Aggie_Boomin 21 said:

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Tecolote said:

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Aggie_Boomin 21 said:

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I don't do it to go faster, and am not under the impression that I'm doing it correctly, it just feels more stable lowering your center of gravity.
At that point maybe it's just crouching more than it is tucking.

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Hundreds of details to what a proper vs improper tuck will do. There's the aerodynamic part of course, but when you lower your center of gravity most people don't have the leg strength or experience to keep the skis flat and lower legs vertical and parallel (let alone their back parallel to the ground). You feel the stability likely because you pull your knees together and skis are still out so it's like on a car that cambers the wheels, increases resistance but greatly improves stability. You've dug the inner edges in so of course you're not as prone to surface imperfections.

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Again I don't claim to tuck right or really try to. My only point is a lower CG feels more stable in pretty much all positions. The classic "athletic stance". You're just harder to knock of balance. I don't think I'm ever doing what you're describing in the latter half of this regarding knee pronation, I'm pretty conscious of knee placement in general due to patellar tendinitis and years of heavy (to me) leg workouts.
I wasn't arguing with anyone on my earlier post, just offering why on the rare occasion I'll get low in some pseudo-tuck.

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Sorry to chime in and be an ass, but you're arguing with someone who obviously knows extremely well what they're talking about. Your response to me sounds like someone who's done a few stitches in leather arguing with a surgeon.

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WTF.
I'm saying I don't do what he describes because I don't. And he's never seen me ski. I believe he knows what he's talking about in general regarding tucking, and that likely describes a fair amount of skiers. But no, he does not know more about my skiing ability and leg strength than I do.
I'm far from being a pro but my skiing experience/ability would place me beyond someone that's placed a few stitches in leather. And I actually feel qualified to say that because that would be the exact depth of my experience as a surgeon lol.

This thread is ****ing weirdly gate-keepy for something that should be so fun and relaxed.

Pasquale Liucci said:

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Bayou City said:

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The only thing that picture B does is make you more likely to get struck by lightning.

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I laughed

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My friends and I have had lots of descriptions for those "tucks" but I think from the point forward Bayou will be having us call them "lightning rods"

Aggie_Boomin 21 said:

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jwoodmd said:

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Aggie_Boomin 21 said:

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Tecolote said:

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Aggie_Boomin 21 said:

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I don't do it to go faster, and am not under the impression that I'm doing it correctly, it just feels more stable lowering your center of gravity.
At that point maybe it's just crouching more than it is tucking.

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Hundreds of details to what a proper vs improper tuck will do. There's the aerodynamic part of course, but when you lower your center of gravity most people don't have the leg strength or experience to keep the skis flat and lower legs vertical and parallel (let alone their back parallel to the ground). You feel the stability likely because you pull your knees together and skis are still out so it's like on a car that cambers the wheels, increases resistance but greatly improves stability. You've dug the inner edges in so of course you're not as prone to surface imperfections.

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Again I don't claim to tuck right or really try to. My only point is a lower CG feels more stable in pretty much all positions. The classic "athletic stance". You're just harder to knock of balance. I don't think I'm ever doing what you're describing in the latter half of this regarding knee pronation, I'm pretty conscious of knee placement in general due to patellar tendinitis and years of heavy (to me) leg workouts.
I wasn't arguing with anyone on my earlier post, just offering why on the rare occasion I'll get low in some pseudo-tuck.

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Sorry to chime in and be an ass, but you're arguing with someone who obviously knows extremely well what they're talking about. Your response to me sounds like someone who's done a few stitches in leather arguing with a surgeon.

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WTF.
I'm saying I don't do what he describes because I don't. And he's never seen me ski. I believe he knows what he's talking about in general regarding tucking, and that likely describes a fair amount of skiers. But no, he does not know more about my skiing ability and leg strength than I do.
I'm far from being a pro but my skiing experience/ability would place me beyond someone that's placed a few stitches in leather. And I actually feel qualified to say that because that would be the exact depth of my experience as a surgeon lol.

This thread is ****ing weirdly gate-keepy for something that should be so fun and relaxed.

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Exactly. Without seeing you ski, there's no way for you to describe it on a message board. Again, not trying to be an ass.

ETA - the bolded part at the bottom is what is causing this thread to be less enjoyable as it is a lot of novices trying to prove they know way more than they do. I don't think Bayou or I are gate-keeping - I believe we're just saying what some people are posting just demonstrates a lack of understanding but when we try to provide input or feedback it becomes a pissing contest of "I'm a really good skier and not a novice"

Can we just try to keep our panties out of a wad, stop taking things personal, and enjoy a good discussion of our mutual love of skiing around here?

Aggie_Boomin 21 said:

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Tecolote said:

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Aggie_Boomin 21 said:

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If skis are parallel then air drag wise objectively yes. Weight mis-placement could make it worse increasing drag under ski, but hard to say I guess without seeing that goofy guy's upright stance to compare it to. I would guess advantage gained is negligible either way, but at the end of the day do what you want who cares.

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That goofy guy is what 90% of people trying to go into a tuck look like.

Your questions are something that without either having diagrams or actually being on the slope almost impossible to get through to a novice skier. Sorry - not trying to be an ass.

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I believe you are correct about 90% of people looking like that. Never claimed otherwise. The only things I have said are specifics about me, and the photo of the person in which I simply analyzed drag.

I have also asked 0 questions so i don't know what you're talking about… I'm also not a novice skier, I just don't speak like a condescending *****.

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Okay, you've asked 0 questions, but you've chimed in that you have information (albeit incorrect) to add that you and others are doing tucks that are okay and beneficial.

Bayou, you're a better person than I. I've only tried for a day to add feedback and it's just not worth it. How you've managed to help and always responded well for questions is beyond me.

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Can we just try to keep our panties out of a wad, stop taking things personal, and enjoy a good discussion of our mutual love of skiing around here?

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Absolutely not. This is by far my favorite thread. For knowledge and drama.

Can we still hate on boarders?

Tecolote said:

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Aggie_Boomin 21 said:

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jwoodmd said:

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Aggie_Boomin 21 said:

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Tecolote said:

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Aggie_Boomin 21 said:

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I don't do it to go faster, and am not under the impression that I'm doing it correctly, it just feels more stable lowering your center of gravity.
At that point maybe it's just crouching more than it is tucking.

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Hundreds of details to what a proper vs improper tuck will do. There's the aerodynamic part of course, but when you lower your center of gravity most people don't have the leg strength or experience to keep the skis flat and lower legs vertical and parallel (let alone their back parallel to the ground). You feel the stability likely because you pull your knees together and skis are still out so it's like on a car that cambers the wheels, increases resistance but greatly improves stability. You've dug the inner edges in so of course you're not as prone to surface imperfections.

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Again I don't claim to tuck right or really try to. My only point is a lower CG feels more stable in pretty much all positions. The classic "athletic stance". You're just harder to knock of balance. I don't think I'm ever doing what you're describing in the latter half of this regarding knee pronation, I'm pretty conscious of knee placement in general due to patellar tendinitis and years of heavy (to me) leg workouts.
I wasn't arguing with anyone on my earlier post, just offering why on the rare occasion I'll get low in some pseudo-tuck.

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Sorry to chime in and be an ass, but you're arguing with someone who obviously knows extremely well what they're talking about. Your response to me sounds like someone who's done a few stitches in leather arguing with a surgeon.

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WTF.
I'm saying I don't do what he describes because I don't. And he's never seen me ski. I believe he knows what he's talking about in general regarding tucking, and that likely describes a fair amount of skiers. But no, he does not know more about my skiing ability and leg strength than I do.
I'm far from being a pro but my skiing experience/ability would place me beyond someone that's placed a few stitches in leather. And I actually feel qualified to say that because that would be the exact depth of my experience as a surgeon lol.

This thread is ****ing weirdly gate-keepy for something that should be so fun and relaxed.

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Exactly. Without seeing you ski, there's no way for you to describe it on a message board. Again, not trying to be an ass.

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You said people attempt a tuck to try to go faster (decrease drag, whatever I'm paraphrasing, feel free to correct). I said I do some form of tucking at high speeds as that feels more stable. Dont think I'd say I was even ever trying to describe my form. You said instead of tucking I do "x" and I said no, I don't do "x". I was never looking for advice or to have my form analyzed, or to really even analyze it myself.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, how did my initial "a lower CG feels more stable" lead to this?

I will come back in a few pages after the kids are done bickering.

My best friends and better half all board. I just love dropping that grenade.

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Sounds like fun even though I have no idea WTF you are talking about

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He's going to down some Bailey's airplane sized bottles on the lift, then haul ass in a terrible truck stance and yell "WOOOOO"

Tecolote said:

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Yesterday said:

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Alright. I'll bite. Everything I've ever learned regarding aerodynamics says tucking will reduce drag. Is that not the case?

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This will reduce drag (also look at leg/ski positions)


This is what most people are doing but thinking they are above (lol)

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Proud member of the lower photo today! Needed that teeny tiny bit of less drag on rentals going uphill to a catwalk.

It actually helped.






I think.


Skiing is fun.

Yesterday said:

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Ok so is B still better than standing up, all things equal? Honestly asking because I don't understand.

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Yes, even the Texas Tuck will reduce some aero drag relative to standing up. Enjoy your marginal gains.

Main aero difference between A and B is the skin suit, not tuck type. That's why I wear mine while racing and not racing. The aero benefits while grocery shopping, walking the dog or making dinner have saved me at least 5 seconds over the past year.

This is such a dumb thread now. Ski how you want as long as you're safe and in control.

I've stayed outta the fight.:…

But know that I skied the green runs at WC today. Take that *****.

13 over 5 expected at SS
6 @ Vail & BC
Key & Breck 5
Park City 5
AF 4!!!!
WC 1
Purg 0
Telly 4

SS 43 base
Telly 37
Purg 34
WC 42
AF 16
PC 55 (only 30% open)
Solitude 58
JH 68
Breck 47
Key 37
Snowmass 43
BC 37
Vail 51 (Vail bringing it)

Overall a pretty slow next 10 days for most of CO & NM. Highs early next week in the low to mid 30s but nothing crazy. Cold through Monday.

Thoughts on the ski world:

Park City has a much better base just need the patrol to pass the vote and get to work. 30% open isn't enough but id imagine that Number jumps significantly once they get the staffing up. It wouldn't shock me to see that Number double or more if they catch snow within 10-14 days from the day the go back to full staff.

Of the Sumco hills, Breck is probably the best slide. It's better than Copper and better than Keystone. To all the people who know how much I dislike Breck that's a Big compliment. We took the kids and the niece there the other day and I was actually really surprised. Just for the record see I don't always hate on Bfridge ….

BC is BC. It's just doing it's Beaver Creek thing. If you're a BC Tree skier be weary this year especially in the glades (primrose, intertwine & strawberry trees and BG aspens along w Elk Glade) have a **** load of downed trees. Make sure you dont go to far off tracks if you arent familiar or you'll be roadblocked and FD) and can REALLY core shot so make sure what you're hitting is snow and Not covered tree. I dropped into a downed tree and I'm lucky I didn't break my shins. It was one of my more ungraceful scorpions but i didn't release ayyyy. So yeah becareful. Snow snakes are out and hungry. BG is all groomers and hella chill and Arrowhead is icy as always. Golden Eagle and Cresta were nice though. Little Brave when we ran it had snow so it was fun but it gets really icy.

Vail - 98% open. 21 and Mongolia have been great. Northwood trees has been fire. Back of 2 to GC has been nice but again watch out for fallen trees. 2 and 21 trees have been really nice. Blue Ox and Highline too. I just avoid the gondolas if possible and take 8 to 2 or 21 if you can or up 6 if you're in Village (golden peak) to Northwoods. The gondolas always back up. The only thing we hit off G1 is giant steps on first tracks if were in the Village. You can RIP it early.

Snowmass : sneaky big burn and hanging Valley are very nice.

Steamboat - it was nice the 2 days we rode it. We were with locals at the top most of the day but I have no idea where we were but it was really nice. I remember champagne powder

I just want to know when I should pizza and when I should French fry.