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This is only the third or fourth year Netflix has even made Oscar-qualifying movies. Also, seven of the twenty acting nominees starred in Netflix movies this year. But sure, go with whatever false narrative you want.

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Netflix led the 2020 Oscars with 24 nominations, yet only won 2? Their heavy hitters, The Irishman and Marriage Story, only won one! Hollywood influencers like Spielberg already confirmed the Netflix bias narrative...but sure, go with whatever false narrative YOU want.

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The people who nominate the Oscars are the same people who vote for the Oscars, i.e. the 8000+ member Academy. It makes absolutely no sense that these people would nominate Netflix movies only to then partake in some kind of grand, highly coordinated conspiracy to vote them all down from actually winning.

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This is only the third or fourth year Netflix has even made Oscar-qualifying movies. Also, seven of the twenty acting nominees starred in Netflix movies this year. But sure, go with whatever false narrative you want.

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Netflix led the 2020 Oscars with 24 nominations, yet only won 2? Their heavy hitters, The Irishman and Marriage Story, only won one! Hollywood influencers like Spielberg already confirmed the Netflix bias narrative...but sure, go with whatever false narrative YOU want.

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The same people who nominate the Oscars are the same people who vote for the Oscars, i.e. the 8000+ member Academy. It makes absolutely no sense that these people would nominate Netflix movies only to then partake in some kind of grand, highly coordinated conspiracy to vote them all down from actually winning.

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Well, I don't think the argument is highly coordinated. Thats not what a bias means. I think its undeniable that there are elements of Hollywood and the Academy who hate Netflix and the streaming of movies as opposed to watching them in theaters. I also don't care because those are like the Hollywood equivalent of flat earhers. Those people have never lived in BCS where you'll never get to see Parasite in theaters (until its nominated and then they throw it up right before the oscars). They've always had access to everything they want to see in a theater because its their job.

But for the rest of us, watching Marriage Story at home is fine. Watching the Irishman after thanksgiving with the family is fine. Throwing up American Factory after a long day at work is fine.

I was - and still am honestly - mighty pissed about the Green Book over Roma win last year. I'm not sure how much of that was Netflix bias as opposed to foreign film bias. But I also wonder if that decision led to Parasite winning this year. Impossible to ever know, but the Netflix bias is there in some form, but its also going to die out. And as long as Netflix keeps making my 18 bucks or whatever worth it then I'm good..

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I was kind of upset with Toy Story 4 winning best animated film. Don't think it is even in the same realm as Toy Story or Toy Story 3, and it is sad to see it as an Oscar winner while much better films (Nightmare Before Christmas, Coraline, Lego Movie, Moana, Your Name., Fantastic Mr. Fox, etc.) didn't win and didn't even get a nom in some cases. It's hard to buy Pixar's pitch of we make movies for families when they are pumping out several sequels for $$$ now.

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I think the simple truth is that most of the academy hasn't seen those movies and went with the familiar name.

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I was kind of upset with Toy Story 4 winning best animated film. Don't think it is even in the same realm as Toy Story or Toy Story 3, and it is sad to see it as an Oscar winner while much better films (Nightmare Before Christmas, Coraline, Lego Movie, Moana, Your Name., Fantastic Mr. Fox, etc.) didn't win and didn't even get a nom in some cases. It's hard to buy Pixar's pitch of we make movies for families when they are pumping out several sequels for $$$ now.

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Watched TS4 a few months ago and my wife and I were completely bored. This didn't sniff TS1 TS3 as you just said.

I'm not saying there's not bias. Of course there's bias. I'm saying that in a very short amount of time, the bias is quickly receding. Sure, there will always be the Speilbergs of the world who never embrace the Netflixes of the world, but we're watching, in real time, streaming increasingly get its foot in the door. The Academy *is* starting to accept streaming, and at the rate it's happening, I'm guessing the yays in the Academy will soon outnumber the nays, to the point where only a handful of Speilbergs will be left.

Also, just my 2c, but I'm really surprised about the amount of love OUATIH (or whatever we are now calling it) received. If you step back and look at the film w/o Dicaprio and Pitt...you may leave thinking: what was the point of what I watched? What message or point was there to the last 2.5 hours?

I know this isn't how all movies need to be and its not all about having a nice bow and ribbon around things at the end. We enjoyed it, don't get me wrong. And I really enjoyed the ending and felt like it brought it back to life and ended on a quirky dark comedy note.

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I'm not saying there's not bias. Of course there's bias. I'm saying that in a very short amount of time, the bias is quickly receding. Sure, there will always be the Speilbergs of the world who never embrace the Netflixes of the world, but we're watching, in real time, streaming increasingly get its foot in the door. The Academy *is* starting to accept streaming, and at the rate it's happening, I'm guessing the yays in the Academy will soon outnumber the nays, to the point where only a handful of Speilbergs will be left.

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Yeah I don't think they really have a choice. People love streaming. It is a huge paradigm shift so I get why so many of them hate it. For me there are definitely movies I want to see in theaters. 1917, for example. But I also have a good home theater, and its going to have to do for Ford V Ferrari since I missed that in theaters. But for something like Marriage Story, if you tell me I need to see it in a theater to enjoy it fully then I think you're full of *****

The dinosaurs can complain all they want, but the asteroid has already hit and people love it.

Wonder how the Emmys and Golden Globes will handle Quibi. TV shows with 10 min episodes

dafuq is quibi?

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Another streaming service launching in April. Short for quick bites, they say episodes are 10 min or less. We are one step away from Aww, My Balls

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I'd buy that for a dollar!

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I'm not saying there's not bias. Of course there's bias. I'm saying that in a very short amount of time, the bias is quickly receding. Sure, there will always be the Speilbergs of the world who never embrace the Netflixes of the world, but we're watching, in real time, streaming increasingly get its foot in the door. The Academy *is* starting to accept streaming, and at the rate it's happening, I'm guessing the yays in the Academy will soon outnumber the nays, to the point where only a handful of Speilbergs will be left.

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actually, when you consider the criticism for how slowly the Academy has historically responded to other changes in the film industry, they've actually been pretty damn quick with respect to streaming services.

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Another streaming service launching in April. Short for quick bites, they say episodes are 10 min or less. We are one step away from Aww, My Balls

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BEEF SUPREME

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Also, just my 2c, but I'm really surprised about the amount of love OUATIH (or whatever we are now calling it) received. If you step back and look at the film w/o Dicaprio and Pitt...you may leave thinking: what was the point of what I watched? What message or point was there to the last 2.5 hours?

I know this isn't how all movies need to be and its not all about having a nice bow and ribbon around things at the end. We enjoyed it, don't get me wrong. And I really enjoyed the ending and felt like it brought it back to life and ended on a quirky dark comedy note.

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If you take away the two primary characters of a film, you might think what was the point? Really?

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Actors/Actresses and the movie itself will always be hand in hand and forever a chicken-egg or alternate universe scenario if you replaced the main cast.

I'm just asking: would OUATIH stand on its own without Pitt and DeCaprio? I think there are a lot of terrific movies out there where you can replace the primary actor and likely still see the same amazing movie. I guess I don't have as much appreciation for the movie on it's own merits.

People gave Leo a hard time in the The Revenant for similar reasons: how could *this guy* win for so few lines spoken. Could you have replaced him with Damon, Bale, Brolin and still seen an amazing film? Probably.

Does the cast make the movie or the movie make the cast? In some cases I'd argue the cast makes the movie.

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I'm just asking: would OUATIH stand on its own without Pitt and DeCaprio? I think there are a lot of terrific movies out there where you can replace the primary actor and likely still see the same amazing movie. I guess I don't have as much appreciation for the movie on it's own merits.

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Yes. I think both are great actors but QT could have cast 2 others in that role and the movie would still be great

That said, not all movies are like this. Some roles are meant for certain actors.

I don't necessarily the movie is any worse with another 2 actors, but I do think it relies on the two parts being played by A-list actors. (Or former A-list actors.)

But those characters are so intrinsically linked to those actors that it's hard for me to imagine the movie without them.

The interesting thing is that the only character who was written with an actor in mind was Al Pacino's part.

If we're throwing out our favorite alternate casting though, I'd go Tom Cruise & Matthew McConaughey.

I've always wanted to see Tom Cruise do a Tarantino movie. He's fairly underrated as an actor, and I've been wanting him to do another "character" type role like he had in Magnolia.

And well, McConaughey is just entertaining to watch. And he seems like he'd be a good fit for Tom Cruise's body type. (Maybe too tall, but some camera trickery could take care of that.)

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Also, just my 2c, but I'm really surprised about the amount of love OUATIH (or whatever we are now calling it) received. If you step back and look at the film w/o Dicaprio and Pitt...you may leave thinking: what was the point of what I watched? What message or point was there to the last 2.5 hours?

I know this isn't how all movies need to be and its not all about having a nice bow and ribbon around things at the end. We enjoyed it, don't get me wrong. And I really enjoyed the ending and felt like it brought it back to life and ended on a quirky dark comedy note.

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If you take away the two primary characters of a film, you might think what was the point? Really?

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Actors/Actresses and the movie itself will always be hand in hand and forever a chicken-egg or alternate universe scenario if you replaced the main cast.

I'm just asking: would OUATIH stand on its own without Pitt and DeCaprio? I think there are a lot of terrific movies out there where you can replace the primary actor and likely still see the same amazing movie. I guess I don't have as much appreciation for the movie on it's own merits.

People gave Leo a hard time in the The Revenant for similar reasons: how could *this guy* win for so few lines spoken. Could you have replaced him with Damon, Bale, Brolin and still seen an amazing film? Probably.

Does the cast make the movie or the movie make the cast? In some cases I'd argue the cast makes the movie.

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I would pay double the price to see the movie but with Owen and Luke Wilson in those parts.

I honestly couldn't tell if that was meant to be sarcasm. Thank God.

I never suggested changing the plot of the film or story line.

I find it interesting that nobody ever complains about the lack of plot in Dazed and Confused as much as they do this movie.

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I find it interesting that nobody ever complains about the lack of plot in Dazed and Confused as much as they do this movie.

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Are people saying dazed and confused is worthy of best picture?

About right for what was one of the weirder Oscar nights ever. Except for Bong Joon-ho....that guy ****s.

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I'll say it

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You're damn right.