nelson is coming up the drive. I feel sick to my stomach. why do I watch shows like this and not big bang theory? I really don't want Ruth and Rachel to die.

oh thank goodness.
I don't think I'm even enjoying this anymore, just getting closure.


Also, holy crap half of these scenes are so dark I can barely see what is going on.

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nelson is coming up the drive. I feel sick to my stomach. why do I watch shows like this and not big bang theory? I really don't want Ruth and Rachel to die.

oh thank goodness.
I don't think I'm even enjoying this anymore, just getting closure.


Also, holy crap half of these scenes are so dark I can barely see what is going on.

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Probably need a better TV. I didn't have those problems.

ah yeas, viewing it on something other than a phone might have been helpful.

most unbelievable thing on the show was Wendy caring about the voting machines as some great evil while she's literally rigging political **** every minute of her day.

They did a good job of keeping the suspense on how exactly everything would end up until the last minute.

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ah yeas, viewing it on something other than a phone might have been helpful.

most unbelievable thing on the show was Wendy caring about the voting machines as some great evil while she's literally rigging political **** every minute of her day.

They did a good job of keeping the suspense on how exactly everything would end up until the last minute.

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Sure, if that is what their goal was. I was just left disappointed. Breaking Bad, another great series and ending, was great b/c all the evil bad guys got what was coming to them. Walt dies, but he went out guns ablazin.

This was just bad all around with the most wicked of all (Wendy) getting to her way and turning the kids as well.

Just finished the series. It's been up there with one of my top 20 or better favorites ever. One that I consider a top Tier 2 level show.

I can't believe how disappointed or just simply underwhelmed with those final episodes I am. Don't know what all I really expected but damn. Just damn. Great show overall and as others pointed out just seemed to have run out of steam at the finish line.

agree with others who think this just ran out of steam and tried to get to much in to the last few episodes.

No way the kids would suddenly decide to live with Grandpa. I just don't see that reality. Jonah is living in the hotel, and while maybe not happy, why would he want to move to another state to live with grandpa? Charlotte is 18, right? She can do what she wants anyway.

How is Wendy not on Camila's death list for telling Omar about Camila ordering the hit on him?

Regarding Camila finding out about Ruth killing Javi, Marty just needs to remind her that Ruth is laundering her money and without Ruth the deal with the FBI is off. Now her lieutenants are not getting paid and she has a civil war on her hands that she will not survive. Even without that, when the Boyd's were on the back side of the Belle talking and Charlotte comes around the corner "Everyone is asking for you" all Marty had to say to Charlotte was "call Ruth and tell her Camila knows". Finally, why the hell did Ruth not turn her truck around and drive away when she saw the SUV parked on her property? Instead she gets out and walks around...Ruth has survived this long for a reason and it's not b/c she does dumb stuff like that.

Very disappointing ending.

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Can someone explain the FBI's deal with the cartel? How they benefited from the whole relationship? Why they'd agree to do it? How the seizures worked?

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$$$$$$

No one is ever going to win the war on drugs.....the FBI wants their cut to be able to look away when the chit hits the fan.

The FBI is essentially placing a shadow leader as head of the cartel. The price is giving up $$$$ during drug busts and other seizures in exchange for protection.

The cartel head agrees to keep violence south of border, and not mess with any Americans. Messing with Americans brings bad press. No one cares about the killings of Narcos that are not American.

In what world are the Byrds "good guys"?

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In what world are the Byrds "good guys"?

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They helped take down a drug kingpin. The got a lot of illegal drugs off the market. They are helping the FBI. God only knows how many job's they created between the horse farm, the blue cat, the Missouri belle, nevermind how many they saved at the drug company and the trickle down effects from each of those jobs along with the ripple effects of the patients that are able to keep living productive lives as a result of the medication provided by the drug company.

Then all the good that their foundation will do.

So a few eggs got broke, but like Wendy said "money doesn't care where it comes from"

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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In what world are the Byrds "good guys"?

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They helped take down a drug kingpin. The got a lot of illegal drugs off the market. They are helping the FBI. God only knows how many job's they created between the horse farm, the blue cat, the Missouri belle, nevermind how many they saved at the drug company and the trickle down effects from each of those jobs along with the ripple effects of the patients that are able to keep living productive lives as a result of the medication provided by the drug company.

Then all the good that their foundation will do.

So a few eggs got broke, but like Wendy said "money doesn't care where it comes from"

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I think we watched a totally different show.

Dude, the foundation, which they made for the sole purpose of helping them with all the cartel stuff, doing good things does not make them good people. They got a ton of people killed, they ruined lives, showed zero regret about it in the end, etc. They're not the good guys.

if you think only a few eggs were broken and it was mostly for the greater good, I would like to stay far away from your kitchen.

I'm not sure that making a foundation that creates rehab centers for the people addicted to the drugs you ran into the country is a net positive tbh

Just finished and a few thoughts:

I just kept saying no, no, not Ruth! The one person I didn't want to die.

My one wish was to see Wendy get her face blown off and to see it coming and I didn't get that.

Overall it was a fun ride and a great show. I liked the ending and the final line. Just wish Ruth hadn't died. It wasn't perfect but it's incredibly hard to stick the landing and make everyone happy on a show like this.

As for the voting machines, I think you all are missing the point. It was still about power and Wendy getting what she wanted. Wendy wanted to be a king maker. Drawing the line about the voting machines wasn't some moral line, but rather, once again, self preservation. Her ultimate goal was to have power and money and influence to anoint other with power who she could control. If the voting machines go in place then the game is rigged against her. Schaeffer, whom she has always hated, then has the power to bunk her king making efforts by rigging the voting machines to get what HE wants, not her. So to me it was in character. If the voting machines were in HER control then I don't think she would have cared.

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HossAg said:

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Dude, the foundation, which they made for the sole purpose of helping them with all the cartel stuff, doing good things does not make them good people. They got a ton of people killed, they ruined lives, showed zero regret about it in the end, etc. They're not the good guys.

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they got a ton of bad people killed. the ruined lives of bad people and showed zero regret. I guress you must have missed it but the story of the Byrde's is the story of American fiscal and foreign policy. This wasn't a simple drama set in fly over country but a celebration of America's strengths.

i am sorry you are so anti-America.

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What a weird post. I don't even know how to respond to this. I'm supposed to call Wendy and co the good guys because Murica? They killed/got killed plenty of people who didn't deserve to be killed.

Not a fan of the ending either. Did the cop quit and become a PI again? What was he going to do with the cremains? They were collected during a break-in and wouldn't be admissible. And now the Byrdes have another body to dispose of, a cop no less. And Chicago PD knew the Byrdes, and something nefarious was behind re-instating the cop. Just seemed like a lazy way to end it. Of course we don't know for sure that Jonah shot the cop. It faded to black like the Sopranos. For all we know he turned the gun on Wendy. That's the ending I choose.

Your reasoning makes absolute and complete sense and I am on board with it.

However, imo that is not what the script made her say her motivation was. They made it sound like it was a moral issue.

Now...the thing I thought was unwritten but inferred, that I have been avoiding saying.. sigh.. is that I believe Shaefer was a Republican, so her big moral outcry about that was giving the evil old white man republican getting that kind of power. *I really hope I didn't open a can of worms.

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Duncan Idaho said:

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HossAg said:

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Dude, the foundation, which they made for the sole purpose of helping them with all the cartel stuff, doing good things does not make them good people. They got a ton of people killed, they ruined lives, showed zero regret about it in the end, etc. They're not the good guys.

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they got a ton of bad people killed. the ruined lives of bad people and showed zero regret. I guress you must have missed it but the story of the Byrde's is the story of American fiscal and foreign policy. This wasn't a simple drama set in fly over country but a celebration of America's strengths.

i am sorry you are so anti-America.

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What a weird post. I don't even know how to respond to this. I'm supposed to call Wendy and co the good guys because Murica? They killed/got killed plenty of people who didn't deserve to be killed.

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If you haven't figured it out, pretty much all of Duncan's posts are trolls or just bad comedy. I'm sure if you ask him he thinks he's hilarious.