They also seem to talk openly about crimes on the phone. For supposedly smart people, that is quite dumb. Yet in the show it never comes back to haunt them. In real life, every phone Marty was associated with would be tapped and this season would have been about 2 episodes long.
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I could see that for Darlene but not for Ruth, way too damn smart to not consider the Cartel but she was more concerned with getting seed packets than ammo.Texaggie7nine said:
The way I looked at it was Darlene was always kind of psycho and never scared of anyone, and it always seemed to work out for her. So I assumed Ruth, being young still, just put her faith in her for that reason.
Wanted to slow burn this over a course of several weeks - but this show it too good to NOT binge.
I can get some of yalls frustrations - you like to nitpick and say "Well, the FBI already would've stopped this"
This is not a show about the aptitude of law enforcement - it's about the inner workings of money laundering and the political chess matches and grey morality associated with working with Cartels, other drug dealers, pharma, etc.
Every interaction is tense - I liked the constant nagging of Mel, he's always just a few steps behind. And a once overzealous Chicago homicide PD (and apparently heavy alcoholic). Maya pullin the switch was surprising and entertaining. Navarro nephew is a welcome unhinged character - Ruth is big mad- she's lost just about everyone in her family. I almost totally forgot about "THREE?"
Like how Charlotte is coming along - Jonah is pretty damn depressing sometimes
I can get some of yalls frustrations - you like to nitpick and say "Well, the FBI already would've stopped this"
This is not a show about the aptitude of law enforcement - it's about the inner workings of money laundering and the political chess matches and grey morality associated with working with Cartels, other drug dealers, pharma, etc.
Every interaction is tense - I liked the constant nagging of Mel, he's always just a few steps behind. And a once overzealous Chicago homicide PD (and apparently heavy alcoholic). Maya pullin the switch was surprising and entertaining. Navarro nephew is a welcome unhinged character - Ruth is big mad- she's lost just about everyone in her family. I almost totally forgot about "THREE?"
Like how Charlotte is coming along - Jonah is pretty damn depressing sometimes
i still want him dead.RealTalk said:
I understand Jonah's anger but that kid is a dick.
The thing about Jonah that bothers me is how they made him so savant-esq. Nobody just knows that stuff. They have to be taught. That means Marty would have had to sit him down and teach him all that stuff. Obviously, that would be crappy parenting. Yet the show is making Marty out to be the good dad, and only Wendy as the bad parent. In actuality, they both suck.
I like Laura Linney in "John Adams" but she is woefully cast here
from episode 1 hated her character and it is not believable that Jason Bateman would have married a plain looking older woman. they should have cast a ton of actresses who are in their late 40s early 50s
from episode 1 hated her character and it is not believable that Jason Bateman would have married a plain looking older woman. they should have cast a ton of actresses who are in their late 40s early 50s
All of them are sociopaths and I hope the final episode has them all take a bullet.aTmAg said:
The thing about Jonah that bothers me is how they made him so savant-esq. Nobody just knows that stuff. They have to be taught. That means Marty would have had to sit him down and teach him all that stuff. Obviously, that would be crappy parenting. Yet the show is making Marty out to be the good dad, and only Wendy as the bad parent. In actuality, they both suck.
even the daughter. every character on that show is an awful human being.
I cannot think offhand of something the daughter did that was awful. Unless you mean not turning her parents in and stuff like that.LMCane said:All of them are sociopaths and I hope the final episode has them all take a bullet.aTmAg said:
The thing about Jonah that bothers me is how they made him so savant-esq. Nobody just knows that stuff. They have to be taught. That means Marty would have had to sit him down and teach him all that stuff. Obviously, that would be crappy parenting. Yet the show is making Marty out to be the good dad, and only Wendy as the bad parent. In actuality, they both suck.
even the daughter. every character on that show is an awful human being.
Edit: Oh she did threaten Helen's daughter.
It's pretty amazing what loaner kids can learn spending endless hours researching on the net. His dad could have provided some helpful feedback, but I'm guessing a pretty resourceful kid like Jonah could find most of what he needed to know on the web.aTmAg said:
The thing about Jonah that bothers me is how they made him so savant-esq. Nobody just knows that stuff. They have to be taught. That means Marty would have had to sit him down and teach him all that stuff. Obviously, that would be crappy parenting. Yet the show is making Marty out to be the good dad, and only Wendy as the bad parent. In actuality, they both suck.
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Disagree. Jason Bateman drives an old piece of crap car. He's conservative. Careful. Over analysis. I could absolutely see himself marrying a plain looking woman. He's far from a flashy person.LMCane said:
I like Laura Linney in "John Adams" but she is woefully cast here
from episode 1 hated her character and it is not believable that Jason Bateman would have married a plain looking older woman. they should have cast a ton of actresses who are in their late 40s early 50s
WTF?LMCane said:
I like Laura Linney in "John Adams" but she is woefully cast here
from episode 1 hated her character and it is not believable that Jason Bateman would have married a plain looking older woman. they should have cast a ton of actresses who are in their late 40s early 50s
Jason Bateman didn't get married, the character did.
They didn't get married during this show's timeline, but rather at least 18 years ago. They would have both looked different then, not that people only get married due to looks.
They look like a completely believable normal couple, not that I really analyzed it because I think analyzing a fictional show in that way is a bit odd.
Here is how she looked in 2000:
I might buy Jonah more if he was a bit older, but that's way down my list of issues with believability on this show. He is a punk acting in a way to get his family killed, so for someone so busted up over his uncle, that also pushes believability. I get lashing back at mom, but with how he's doing it, all 4 of you are going down too, buddy. I'm truing to chalk it up to being only 14, but for being some mature boy genius, he's also an idiot
I think the cartel would have taken him out along with Ruth too.DannyDuberstein said:
I might buy Jonah more if he was a bit older, but that's way down my list of issues with believability on this show. He is a punk acting in a way to get his family killed, so for someone so busted up over his uncle, that also pushes believability. I get lashing back at mom, but with how he's doing it, all 4 of you are going down too, buddy. I'm truing to chalk it up to being only 14, but for being some mature boy genius, he's also an idiot
But I also think that the Cartel would send a low level dude to do the dirty work. Not have the drug lord himself do it.
Been avoiding this thread till I caught up. Just finished episodes 7, I start getting caught up only to find it devolving into a discussion about Laura Linney's age and looks? Strange.
Anyway, I really like where the show got to in episode 7. I thought episode 7 was really good. I feel it could have gotten there a lot sooner. Half the time watching this season I kinda rolled my eyes or wanted to fast forward. Think it should have been 5 episodes instead of 7. Regardless, I still like this show for what it is and think it's still better than most the television that's been coming out the last few years.
Anyway, I really like where the show got to in episode 7. I thought episode 7 was really good. I feel it could have gotten there a lot sooner. Half the time watching this season I kinda rolled my eyes or wanted to fast forward. Think it should have been 5 episodes instead of 7. Regardless, I still like this show for what it is and think it's still better than most the television that's been coming out the last few years.
And can someone remind me why anyone was ever worried or scared about the KC mob?
Bombing the offices of Byrde Enterprises wouldn't concern you?Two Gun Corcoran said:
And can someone remind me why anyone was ever worried or scared about the KC mob?
First part of the season was good. Mexican Colin Farrell is one bad mofo.
Finished up episode 7 last night, it had been so long that I had forgotten how good this show can be. It did feel like they're on the edge trying to juggle too many plotlines at the same time. I felt like the plotline with the pharmaceutical company went way too big, way too fast, and way too unbelievable. The Javier addition felt more than impactful enough on its own, the combination of him and Omar with the cartel overall, the FBI investigation, and the Byrde family as a whole I think was enough to really fill this season, especially with the internal strife with Jonah.
I've felt for a while that Ruth is kind of the low-key MVP of this series, and that still holds true. When she went unhinged in episode 7, that's the best acting she's done to date.
I'm very curious about the car wreck in the very beginning scene with the entire family headed back to Chicago. They surmised on The Ringer Prestige TV podcast that someone in the family is going to have to choose whether or not to save others after the wreck, and that makes a lot of sense. Marty obviously wants the whole way out, Wendy is more in her element, would he let her die? Would Wendy let Jonah die? Would Jonah let his parents die? I ultimately don't think so, but it definitely would make sense as a plot device.
I wish part 2 was here now. Ruth has Zeke and 3 left now, without Wyatt though she's lost her sense of direction. Maybe Marty tries to get her to Chicago with them, but it doesn't feel like everyone gets out of this story alive between Ruth and all the Byrdes.
Also, this show ratchets up my anxiety about as bad as any show has. More than Breaking Bad ever did, you are waiting for the next bad thing to happen minute by minute.
I've felt for a while that Ruth is kind of the low-key MVP of this series, and that still holds true. When she went unhinged in episode 7, that's the best acting she's done to date.
I'm very curious about the car wreck in the very beginning scene with the entire family headed back to Chicago. They surmised on The Ringer Prestige TV podcast that someone in the family is going to have to choose whether or not to save others after the wreck, and that makes a lot of sense. Marty obviously wants the whole way out, Wendy is more in her element, would he let her die? Would Wendy let Jonah die? Would Jonah let his parents die? I ultimately don't think so, but it definitely would make sense as a plot device.
I wish part 2 was here now. Ruth has Zeke and 3 left now, without Wyatt though she's lost her sense of direction. Maybe Marty tries to get her to Chicago with them, but it doesn't feel like everyone gets out of this story alive between Ruth and all the Byrdes.
Also, this show ratchets up my anxiety about as bad as any show has. More than Breaking Bad ever did, you are waiting for the next bad thing to happen minute by minute.
To me the whole Javi vibe is similar to Lalo Salamanca in better call Saul.
Bateman's wife in real life (they're both 53, and Linney is 57):Complete Idiot said:WTF?LMCane said:
I like Laura Linney in "John Adams" but she is woefully cast here
from episode 1 hated her character and it is not believable that Jason Bateman would have married a plain looking older woman. they should have cast a ton of actresses who are in their late 40s early 50s
Jason Bateman didn't get married, the character did.
They didn't get married during this show's timeline, but rather at least 18 years ago. They would have both looked different then, not that people only get married due to looks.
They look like a completely believable normal couple, not that I really analyzed it because I think analyzing a fictional show in that way is a bit odd.
So maybe more realistic than LMCane thinks.
Maybe, but apparently you can also shoot the boss' son's dick off without retribution other than the boss showing up alone, unarmed, and demanding money that was owed anyway. Then, of course you just shoot the boss. Without retribution. Then the dickless new boss will continue to do business with you. Without retribution. Yes, I understand Frank Jr. is incompetent but even Frank Sr. seemed to have lost his bite towards the end. If this organization is so formidable, how are they just letting Jr assume the role of leader? Perhaps someone from within will challenge for leadership and offer the Byrds additional headaches moving forward.G Martin 87 said:Bombing the offices of Byrde Enterprises wouldn't concern you?Two Gun Corcoran said:
And can someone remind me why anyone was ever worried or scared about the KC mob?
Her?Faustus said:Bateman's wife in real life (they're both 53, and Linney is 57):Complete Idiot said:WTF?LMCane said:
I like Laura Linney in "John Adams" but she is woefully cast here
from episode 1 hated her character and it is not believable that Jason Bateman would have married a plain looking older woman. they should have cast a ton of actresses who are in their late 40s early 50s
Jason Bateman didn't get married, the character did.
They didn't get married during this show's timeline, but rather at least 18 years ago. They would have both looked different then, not that people only get married due to looks.
They look like a completely believable normal couple, not that I really analyzed it because I think analyzing a fictional show in that way is a bit odd.
So maybe more realistic than LMCane thinks.
Also, looks like Robin Wright directed several episodes this season, really impressed. I didn't watch House of Cards at the end, did she direct any of those episodes once Kevin Spacey was gone?
Frank Sr. going to Darlene's alone to threaten her, knowing her past, was something that really bothered me. Mob guys know there is power in numbers, which Darlene doesn't have. Why the hell would you go alone?Two Gun Corcoran said:Maybe, but apparently you can also shoot the boss' son's dick off without retribution other than the boss showing up alone, unarmed, and demanding money that was owed anyway. Then, of course you just shoot the boss. Without retribution. Then the dickless new boss will continue to do business with you. Without retribution. Yes, I understand Frank Jr. is incompetent but even Frank Sr. seemed to have lost his bite towards the end. If this organization is so formidable, how are they just letting Jr assume the role of leader? Perhaps someone from within will challenge for leadership and offer the Byrds additional headaches moving forward.G Martin 87 said:Bombing the offices of Byrde Enterprises wouldn't concern you?Two Gun Corcoran said:
And can someone remind me why anyone was ever worried or scared about the KC mob?
7nine
I think Laura Linney is cute.
Yeah, that's not the way the mob works either. Boss doesn't come to you, you get summoned to the boss.Texaggie7nine said:Frank Sr. going to Darlene's alone to threaten her, knowing her past, was something that really bothered me. Mob guys know there is power in numbers, which Darlene doesn't have. Why the hell would you go alone?Two Gun Corcoran said:Maybe, but apparently you can also shoot the boss' son's dick off without retribution other than the boss showing up alone, unarmed, and demanding money that was owed anyway. Then, of course you just shoot the boss. Without retribution. Then the dickless new boss will continue to do business with you. Without retribution. Yes, I understand Frank Jr. is incompetent but even Frank Sr. seemed to have lost his bite towards the end. If this organization is so formidable, how are they just letting Jr assume the role of leader? Perhaps someone from within will challenge for leadership and offer the Byrds additional headaches moving forward.G Martin 87 said:Bombing the offices of Byrde Enterprises wouldn't concern you?Two Gun Corcoran said:
And can someone remind me why anyone was ever worried or scared about the KC mob?
Just finished part 1 and dadgum I freaking love that show so much
Did anyone else think Ruth was walking into trouble going to Darlene's house? I legit thought she might get shot walking up or as soon as she walked in the house since Javi knew about her. My hands were sweating profusely. She absolutely nailed the last few minutes of that episode
Did anyone else think Ruth was walking into trouble going to Darlene's house? I legit thought she might get shot walking up or as soon as she walked in the house since Javi knew about her. My hands were sweating profusely. She absolutely nailed the last few minutes of that episode
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Episode 7 is phenomenal.
I think Wendy is annoying af.
Sure the show isn't realistic but whatever
I think Wendy is annoying af.
Sure the show isn't realistic but whatever
Sometimes I feel like my own life isn't realistic
Finished Part 1 last night.
It's definitely entertaining and well worth the watch. They do cliffhangers and sudden character deaths better than anyone.
The amount of ridiculous story lines/details that have very little believability has hit its peak though. Like another poster said - the shark is being jumped. If you can get past that, you'll really enjoy it. However, I can't remember a "good" show recently where I so consistently said, "no way, that would never happen" even within the context of an already outrageous plot situation. For me personally, this is why this show isn't at the top of my list.
It's definitely entertaining and well worth the watch. They do cliffhangers and sudden character deaths better than anyone.
The amount of ridiculous story lines/details that have very little believability has hit its peak though. Like another poster said - the shark is being jumped. If you can get past that, you'll really enjoy it. However, I can't remember a "good" show recently where I so consistently said, "no way, that would never happen" even within the context of an already outrageous plot situation. For me personally, this is why this show isn't at the top of my list.
I don't understand why people get caught up in if it is "believable" or not. Most good shows are not "believable". I also never gave a second thought to Marty and Wendy and their ages. I think Laura Linney looks damn good.
There's a difference in not being believable because it's just not something that would happen in real life and not being believable because an action a character takes just isn't congruent with the type of character they have been made out to be. The first type of fantasy is for the sake of a good, entertaining story, the second is usually a lazy way to write into where the writer wants to get without having too think to much about it.TXCityAggie said:
I don't understand why people get caught up in if it is "believable" or not. Most good shows are not "believable". I also never gave a second thought to Marty and Wendy and their ages. I think Laura Linney looks damn good.
7nine
Texaggie7nine said:There's a difference in not being believable because it's just not something that would happen in real life and not being believable because an action a character takes just isn't congruent with the type of character they have been made out to be. The first type of fantasy is for the sake of a good, entertaining story, the second is usually a lazy way to write into where the writer wants to get without having too think to much about it.TXCityAggie said:
I don't understand why people get caught up in if it is "believable" or not. Most good shows are not "believable". I also never gave a second thought to Marty and Wendy and their ages. I think Laura Linney looks damn good.
This, and I also think that this show flat out ignores a lot of common sense actions that characters should/shouldn't do… and then those actions typically don't have consequences. I guess the writers have punted on that entirely in favor of suspense.
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You just knew soon as Wyatt tied himself to Darlene for good by backing out on Ruth, he was going to meet a tragic demise.
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Finished Part 1 last night.
It's definitely entertaining and well worth the watch. They do cliffhangers and sudden character deaths better than anyone.
The amount of ridiculous story lines/details that have very little believability has hit its peak though. Like another poster said - the shark is being jumped. If you can get past that, you'll really enjoy it. However, I can't remember a "good" show recently where I so consistently said, "no way, that would never happen" even within the context of an already outrageous plot situation. For me personally, this is why this show isn't at the top of my list.
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