So was the car wreck a flash forward to some time in the second half of the season? If so, then maybe it all ends with them going on a spending spree..new Lambos for everyone!Duncan Idaho said:
Yeah I get not driving something over the top or even baller but man at least get a late model Altima or something
****Ozark: Season 4****
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Yes. The first two seasons are great.....especially given that you can binge them.aTmAg said:Is Yellowstone worth starting? Or is it going down there Game of Thrones path?SWC Ag said:
Finished the half season last night.
It was good but I'm not over the moon with it like most of you guys seem to be.
I know it's a TV show and "believability" should be a relative thing but there's just so much this season that's too far over the top for me to enjoy it like I did previous seasons.
I realize the actors have aged considerably but in the story, Jonah is still supposed to be a young kid. I realize they had Bateman's character explaining money laundering to him in the first season but I'm sorry, I'm just not buying the whole "Jonah takes his Dad's software and suddenly is a money washing savant" angle. It's too much.
Darlene and Ruth would have been killed long ago by either the Cartel or the KC mob. The fact that Ruth is still breathing is ridiculous from a 'realistic' perspective. That stated, she's easily my favorite character so I'm okay with it.
There are other things as well but you get the point.
Great show but I'm glad it's the last season. It's not there yet but it's on the road to Yellowstone levels of jumping the shark.
The third season took a dip but still entertaining. But this is the season Sheridan clearly said "**** it" and gave up trying to limit the ridiculous soap opera factor. You have to abandon any pretense of believability.
The fourth season was, again, entertaining BUT you just have to accept that you're watching trash TV at this point. I'll still watch the 5th season and spin offs but you have to abandon all hope that season one may have provided that this was going to be one of the great shows of the streaming era.
Just my $0.02. Your mileage may vary.
Probably not a lot of ticket listeners on this board, but Bob Sturm's review of Yellowstone had me rolling. He makes it sound like the most ridiculous show ever made, with beautiful scenery. His sentiments about all the season reflects the post above.
javajaws said:So was the car wreck a flash forward to some time in the second half of the season? If so, then maybe it all ends with them going on a spending spree..new Lambos for everyone!Duncan Idaho said:
Yeah I get not driving something over the top or even baller but man at least get a late model Altima or something
Wendy says something like it'll all be over in 48 hours. Guessing they were on their way to witness protection or whichever Navarro was still standing was about to be finished. And Jonah is with them so at some point he rejoins the family - forced or not.
Jonah should die.
Helen should die.
Maya shouod die.
On episode 2.
Helen should die.
Maya shouod die.
On episode 2.
Haven't read any of this for fear of spoilers, but honestly not sure I give a **** anymore. We just watched the first episode, and there just isn't a rooting interest at all.
An L of an Ag said:
Haven't read any of this for fear of spoilers, but honestly not sure I give a **** anymore. We just watched the first episode, and there just isn't a rooting interest at all.
Cool story. This season was great. Curious as to why you think this show is bad and what shows you consider good?
Finally had a chance to burn though all seven episodes and that was fan-f/cking-tastic. Nearly every believability complaint in this thread is valid, but there is absolutely no better show on television at ratcheting up and compounding tension, maybe ever. It's obviously not Breaking Bad in terms of overall greatness, but I honestly think Ozark is the all-time king of skillfully juggling edge-of-your-seat problem/solution plot mechanics, like nothing I've ever seen before. And if they have to stretch believability somewhat to achieve that, if this is the result, I say go right ahead. What a great half-season of TV. Cannot wait for May (or spring TBA/whenever it might be).
This is the Ozark thread. The Survivor thread is over here: https://texags.com/forums/13/topics/3233221An L of an Ag said:
Haven't read any of this for fear of spoilers, but honestly not sure I give a **** anymore. We just watched the first episode, and there just isn't a rooting interest at all.
Fair enough. I don't necessarily need a show to have "the good guys" to be able to cheer for, but it becomes a chore to watch when each primary character either has no redeeming qualities/motivations or abandons them.
Breaking Bad was getting into that territory, but I stuck with it and glad I did.
Breaking Bad was getting into that territory, but I stuck with it and glad I did.
TCTTS said:
Finally had a chance to burn though all seven episodes and that was fan-f/cking-tastic. Nearly every believability complaint in this thread is valid, but there is absolutely no better show on television at ratcheting up and compounding tension, maybe ever. It's obviously not Breaking Bad in terms of overall greatness, but I honestly think Ozark is the all-time king of skillfully juggling edge-of-your-seat problem/solution plot mechanics, like nothing I've ever seen before. And if they have to stretch believability somewhat to achieve that, if this is the result, I say go right ahead. What a great half-season of TV. Cannot wait for May (or spring TBA/whenever it might be).
Well said. Good example of problems and then solutions and actions that keep building on one another is when Sherriff shows up at Helen's house - oh ****, Javi answers the door - holy crap, shoots Sherrif - no way!, Javi shows up at Byrde house with the body driving the freakin police car! Are you kidding me! Things can't possibly get worse - Jonah says hold my beer, I just saw my parents loading up the body to take to the funeral home. So much fun to watch!
The drug company CEO agreeing to get into bed with the cartel was way too much for me, but whatever, the show is still awesome.
And who wants to bet that Mel the PI saves the day for the Byrdes? Javi is about to execute them only to hear a gun shot in the background. Javi falls, Mel is standing behind him, gun barrel smoking. "I told you, I just needed a signature…"
And who wants to bet that Mel the PI saves the day for the Byrdes? Javi is about to execute them only to hear a gun shot in the background. Javi falls, Mel is standing behind him, gun barrel smoking. "I told you, I just needed a signature…"
Good to know you're a fan of Terms of Endearment!
Just finished the first season and loved it. Anybody know if there was a thread for season 1?
TCTTS said:
Finally had a chance to burn though all seven episodes and that was fan-f/cking-tastic. Nearly every believability complaint in this thread is valid, but there is absolutely no better show on television at ratcheting up and compounding tension, maybe ever. It's obviously not Breaking Bad in terms of overall greatness, but I honestly think Ozark is the all-time king of skillfully juggling edge-of-your-seat problem/solution plot mechanics, like nothing I've ever seen before. And if they have to stretch believability somewhat to achieve that, if this is the result, I say go right ahead. What a great half-season of TV. Cannot wait for May (or spring TBA/whenever it might be).
Is around May what you are hearing that the 2nd half will come out? That would be great. I thought we were going to have to wait another year.
Hungry Ojos said:
The drug company CEO agreeing to get into bed with the cartel was way too much for me, but whatever, the show is still awesome.
And who wants to bet that Mel the PI saves the day for the Byrdes? Javi is about to execute them only to hear a gun shot in the background. Javi falls, Mel is standing behind him, gun barrel smoking. "I told you, I just needed a signature…"
As dumb as the drug company CEO storyline is, they doubled down with her being the new CEO and intent on doing the right thing LOL
I liked how the security guy working for the Drug Corp was willing to go kill the drug gang guys while the criminals (Marty & Ruth) were all diplomatic.
Sucks it never said how Ruth got the drugs back.
Sucks it never said how Ruth got the drugs back.
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beanbean said:TCTTS said:
Finally had a chance to burn though all seven episodes and that was fan-f/cking-tastic. Nearly every believability complaint in this thread is valid, but there is absolutely no better show on television at ratcheting up and compounding tension, maybe ever. It's obviously not Breaking Bad in terms of overall greatness, but I honestly think Ozark is the all-time king of skillfully juggling edge-of-your-seat problem/solution plot mechanics, like nothing I've ever seen before. And if they have to stretch believability somewhat to achieve that, if this is the result, I say go right ahead. What a great half-season of TV. Cannot wait for May (or spring TBA/whenever it might be).
Is around May what you are hearing that the 2nd half will come out? That would be great. I thought we were going to have to wait another year.
Bateman recently told Kimmel it's coming "kinda soon." That, and spring has been rumored. Also, the current Emmy "year"/cycle ends at the end of May, so there's been speculation that they're aiming to release Part 2 around then so it's fresh in Emmy voters' minds/the entire season qualifies. That said, I've also seen speculation that they might release Part 2 at some point after May 31, so that it qualifies for next year's Emmy's as well, and these seven episodes will count toward this year's Emmy's (which always air in September). Regardless, we know it's definitely 2022. But between Bateman's comment and the fact that Part 2 wrapped production back in October, I would be surprised if we're waiting past spring/summer.
Didn't read anything
But I am starting Ozark this afternoon
But I am starting Ozark this afternoon
The whole season was great for me. This show is really good with cliffhangers.
An observation: After the last two episodes, the director named made me wonder so I looked it up. Sure enough, Jenny (Robin Wright) from Forrest Gump directed episodes 6 and 7.
An observation: After the last two episodes, the director named made me wonder so I looked it up. Sure enough, Jenny (Robin Wright) from Forrest Gump directed episodes 6 and 7.
The only thing I might have missed is that I'm still not 100% sure what happened with Omar at the very end. So he's staying in jail, right? And Wendy/Marty are using/threatening his kids to ensure Omar doesn't have Wendy/Marty killed? Or something? I take it Wendy was bluffing when she told Omar earlier that she'd worked out a deal with the FBI and would have him out in 48 hours? And that's why he was disappointed in her? Do I have all that right or did I miss something? It was just kind of random/hurried how they doled out some of that info.
We started Thursday. Addictive.Tanya 93 said:
Didn't read anything
But I am starting Ozark this afternoon
I'd love to hear the comments on season 1
Official threads for all three seasons (of which I have no memory creating, much less creating all three)...
Season 1 Thread
Season 2 Thread
Season 3 Thread
Season 1 Thread
Season 2 Thread
Season 3 Thread
My take is that he was disappointed that Wendy would threaten his children when that is a line that Omar would never have crossed. I don't think Wendy was bluffing, but Omar's deal apparently became null and void once Javi made a deal with the FBI. Looks like he's staying in prison.TCTTS said:
The only thing I might have missed is that I'm still not 100% sure what happened with Omar at the very end. So he's staying in jail, right? And Wendy/Marty are using/threatening his kids to ensure Omar doesn't have Wendy/Marty killed? Or something? I take it Wendy was bluffing when she told Omar earlier that she'd worked out a deal with the FBI and would have him out in 48 hours? And that's why he was disappointed in her? Do I have all that right or did I miss something? It was just kind of random/hurried how they doled out some of that info.
Gotcha, thanks. Makes sense.
Nm
FancyKetchup14 said:
The whole season was great for me. This show is really good with cliffhangers.
An observation: After the last two episodes, the director named made me wonder so I looked it up. Sure enough, Princess Buttercup (Robin Wright) from The Princess Bride directed episodes 6 and 7.
FIFY since you selected the wrong role to identify her. Should have chosen the iconic role
91_Aggie said:FancyKetchup14 said:
The whole season was great for me. This show is really good with cliffhangers.
An observation: After the last two episodes, the director named made me wonder so I looked it up. Sure enough, Princess Buttercup (Robin Wright) from The Princess Bride directed episodes 6 and 7.
FIFY since you selected the wrong role to identify her. Should have chosen the iconic role
Jen-nay
G Martin 87 said:My take is that he was disappointed that Wendy would threaten his children when that is a line that Omar would never have crossed. I don't think Wendy was bluffing, but Omar's deal apparently became null and void once Javi made a deal with the FBI. Looks like he's staying in prison.TCTTS said:
The only thing I might have missed is that I'm still not 100% sure what happened with Omar at the very end. So he's staying in jail, right? And Wendy/Marty are using/threatening his kids to ensure Omar doesn't have Wendy/Marty killed? Or something? I take it Wendy was bluffing when she told Omar earlier that she'd worked out a deal with the FBI and would have him out in 48 hours? And that's why he was disappointed in her? Do I have all that right or did I miss something? It was just kind of random/hurried how they doled out some of that info.
Can someone explain this better? I still can't comprehend what happened. What is the deal the FBI made with Javi? That the US Govmt would shadow run the cartel while Javi appears to be the figurehead? Why would Javi want to do that?
Also, if the FBI's deal with Javi rendered Omar's deal null, why would Omar agree to talk to Javi on the phone and tell him to stand down? In other words, why would he cooperate if he'd just gotten screwed and would be serving life in prison?
Javi remains the head of the cartel for the next 10 years and thus reaps the rewards of that, but provides intel to the FBI for those 10 years, which would presumably let them disrupt the drug business of all of his competitors and the whole rest of the supply chain, and let them get the occasional "win" against him as well to look good in their PR and such.
A guy like Omar presumably can get himself out of jail considering his resources. No need to refuse to cooperate right now when you want the FBI thinking you're a willing participant.
A guy like Omar presumably can get himself out of jail considering his resources. No need to refuse to cooperate right now when you want the FBI thinking you're a willing participant.
Hungry Ojos said:G Martin 87 said:My take is that he was disappointed that Wendy would threaten his children when that is a line that Omar would never have crossed. I don't think Wendy was bluffing, but Omar's deal apparently became null and void once Javi made a deal with the FBI. Looks like he's staying in prison.TCTTS said:
The only thing I might have missed is that I'm still not 100% sure what happened with Omar at the very end. So he's staying in jail, right? And Wendy/Marty are using/threatening his kids to ensure Omar doesn't have Wendy/Marty killed? Or something? I take it Wendy was bluffing when she told Omar earlier that she'd worked out a deal with the FBI and would have him out in 48 hours? And that's why he was disappointed in her? Do I have all that right or did I miss something? It was just kind of random/hurried how they doled out some of that info.
Can someone explain this better? I still can't comprehend what happened. What is the deal the FBI made with Javi? That the US Govmt would shadow run the cartel while Javi appears to be the figurehead? Why would Javi want to do that?
Also, if the FBI's deal with Javi rendered Omar's deal null, why would Omar agree to talk to Javi on the phone and tell him to stand down? In other words, why would he cooperate if he'd just gotten screwed and would be serving life in prison?
Need go reddit-ing to figure this out as well. Not clear
I understand Jonah's anger but that kid is a dick.
RealTalk said:
I understand Jonah's anger but that kid is a dick.
Agree, I think they made a mistake the direction they took his character.
My one gripe (as I let most of the other stuff slide) is Marty made it very clear to Darlene and Ruth that the Cartel forbid them from selling H and that they already assassinated Helen, which definitely made an impression on Ruth.
So why didn't Darlene and Ruth AT A MINIMUM hire some muscle to protect the farm or at least start carrying weapons on their person. The only protection was the shotgun in the backroom (which granted, did get a lot of use) but why was there never any concern over the Cartel retaliating against them?
Then you have Marty make his side deal with Ruth, where he should have known there would be consequences from the Cartel, but no further warnings to them from Marty, nothing (and he should have been extra cautious knowing his son could be caught in the crossfire).
Did they all just think Javi was too dense to discover they were selling H? Even that doesn't make sense because they knew he killed the sheriff to directly screw over Darlene and her protection from the law.
Like I said above, I let a LOT of things slide on that show but when you have extremely smart characters like Marty and Ruth acting dumb it bugs me. At least make a half hearted attempt at it, maybe a passing reference to paying a couple of extra red shirts guarding the farm.
So why didn't Darlene and Ruth AT A MINIMUM hire some muscle to protect the farm or at least start carrying weapons on their person. The only protection was the shotgun in the backroom (which granted, did get a lot of use) but why was there never any concern over the Cartel retaliating against them?
Then you have Marty make his side deal with Ruth, where he should have known there would be consequences from the Cartel, but no further warnings to them from Marty, nothing (and he should have been extra cautious knowing his son could be caught in the crossfire).
Did they all just think Javi was too dense to discover they were selling H? Even that doesn't make sense because they knew he killed the sheriff to directly screw over Darlene and her protection from the law.
Like I said above, I let a LOT of things slide on that show but when you have extremely smart characters like Marty and Ruth acting dumb it bugs me. At least make a half hearted attempt at it, maybe a passing reference to paying a couple of extra red shirts guarding the farm.
The way I looked at it was Darlene was always kind of psycho and never scared of anyone, and it always seemed to work out for her. So I assumed Ruth, being young still, just put her faith in her for that reason.
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