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Albatross Necklace said:

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Would you trust this person to be in charge of your guns?




https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10134061/Criminal-charges-not-ruled-shooting-Alec-Baldwin-film-report.html

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The back of her t-shirt is a bit disturbing. Does she like to be tied up? (Look at the other pictures in the article.)

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Three crew members who were present at the Bonanza Creek Ranch set on Saturday said they were particularly concerned about two accidental prop gun discharges.
Baldwin's stunt double accidentally fired two rounds Saturday after being told that the gun was "cold" lingo for a weapon that doesn't have any ammunition, including blanks two crew members who witnessed the episode told the Los Angeles Times.

"There should have been an investigation into what happened," a crew member said. "There were no safety meetings. There was no assurance that it wouldn't happen again. All they wanted to do was rush, rush, rush."

A colleague was so alarmed by the prop gun misfires that he sent a text message to the unit production manager. "We've now had 3 accidental discharges. This is super unsafe," according to a copy of the message reviewed by The Times.

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akm91 said:

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Why do they call it a prop gun when the gun actually fires live rounds?

Really annoys me that they're not even accurate in describing what happened.

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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What the heck???

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set?_amp=true

This article was published last Friday, the 22nd. I don't recall seeing this mentioned here!

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Three crew members who were present at the Bonanza Creek Ranch set on Saturday said they were particularly concerned about two accidental prop gun discharges.
Baldwin's stunt double accidentally fired two rounds Saturday after being told that the gun was "cold" lingo for a weapon that doesn't have any ammunition, including blanks two crew members who witnessed the episode told the Los Angeles Times.

"There should have been an investigation into what happened," a crew member said. "There were no safety meetings. There was no assurance that it wouldn't happen again. All they wanted to do was rush, rush, rush."

A colleague was so alarmed by the prop gun misfires that he sent a text message to the unit production manager. "We've now had 3 accidental discharges. This is super unsafe," according to a copy of the message reviewed by The Times.

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So Alec's incident was NOT the first on set?!?! 3 accidental/negligent discharges??? How on earth was that production still moving forward?

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akm91 said:

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Why do they call it a prop gun when the gun actually fires live rounds?

Really annoys me that they're not even accurate in describing what happened.

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Co-stars Jensen Ackles, Swen Temmers and Travis Hammer were also in the scene numbered 121 - alongside Baldwin's stunt double Blake Teixeira and stunt coordinator Allan Graf.

Ackles spoke about his weapons training for the film a week before the tragic on-set shooting accident.

The actor, who frequently used a gun playing Dean Winchester for 15 seasons on Supernatural, regaled a crowd of fans with an anecdote about his brief gun training for Rust a week before Baldwin's tragic gun accident.
'I've got a 6 AM call tomorrow to have a big shootout,' Ackles was heard saying in a video captured by a fan. 'They had me pick my gun, they were like, 'Alright, what gun would you like?' and I was like, 'I don't know?' and the armorer was like, 'Do you have gun experience?''

'I was like, 'A little.' And she's like, 'Okay, well, this is how you load it, this is how we check it and make sure it's safe.''
The crowd, as well as Jensen's Supernatural co-star Jared Padalecki, burst out laughing since the actor had so much on-camera experience shooting.

He continued with the story, telling the group that the armorer told him to fire off some blank rounds over in a field.

'So she's like, 'I'll just put some blanks in there and just fire a couple of rounds towards the hill.'

'I walk out and she's like, 'Just make sure you pull the hammer all the way back and aim at your target'.

Demonstrating how he did it in training, Jensen said he whipped the gun out of his holster and expertly fired the weapon, leading the armorer to jokingly call him 'an a**hole' for pretending like he was inexperienced.

Production notes show the Colt pistol was one of several weapons on set at the time but the only one used in 121 and the preceding 118.

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aggiehawg said:

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Sheriff can't say how live rounds were on set. But in 500 rounds of ammo seized included, blanks, dummy rounds and "suspected" live ammo. But they need the FBI to confirm they are live rounds?

That makes no sense to me.

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BQ_90 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Sheriff can't say how live rounds were on set. But in 500 rounds of ammo seized included, blanks, dummy rounds and "suspected" live ammo. But they need the FBI to confirm they are live rounds?

That makes no sense to me.

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My guess is local LEOs don't have the means to do,testing that would hold up in court. That's why they are gong through the fbi

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Martin Q. Blank said:

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BQ_90 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Sheriff can't say how live rounds were on set. But in 500 rounds of ammo seized included, blanks, dummy rounds and "suspected" live ammo. But they need the FBI to confirm they are live rounds?

That makes no sense to me.

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My guess is local LEOs don't have the means to do,testing that would hold up in court. That's why they are gong through the fbi

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Testing? Can't they just look at it?

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Halyna Hutchins' family is almost certainly gearing up for a wrongful death lawsuit -- in the wake of her death on the set of the movie "Rust" -- and TMZ has learned the insurance policy that covered the production is limited to $6 million.

We obtained the certificate of insurance written by Front Row Insurance Brokers. General liability coverage is limited to $1 million per occurrence. There is also a commercial umbrella policy -- which is a supplement to the general liability coverage -- for an additional $5 million.

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The production company filed a permit for the film, and the paperwork shows a $1 million policy, but that appears to be the minimum required for shooting in New Mexico. The production company obtained the umbrella, which is quite typical but not referenced in the permit.

It sounds like a lot of money, but it could be woefully inadequate. 42-year-old Hutchins was a rising star with decades of earnings ahead of her. She was also a mother and a wife, which allows her son and husband to collect for loss of affection. And remember, director Joel Souza was also shot and wounded, and he would have a personal injury claim. The total the insurance company would pay for both Hutchins and Souza is limited to $6 mil.

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There's a wild card here ... punitive damages. In New Mexico, if there's proof of recklessness or wanton misconduct, a jury could award punitive damages, and that could send any judgment into the stratosphere.

There's another issue ... Front Row would not discuss the terms of the policy with us, but typically there are numerous requirements insurance companies impose and violations of those requirements could allow the company to deny coverage. For instance, given this was a policy to cover a western with various gun scenes, there may be an exclusion if there was live ammo on the set.

Hutchin's family and Souza will almost certainly sue individuals and the production company, and those defendants would be independently responsible if a jury found them liable, but the insurance is a backstop in case none of the defendants have significant assets.

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Martin Q. Blank said:

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BQ_90 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Sheriff can't say how live rounds were on set. But in 500 rounds of ammo seized included, blanks, dummy rounds and "suspected" live ammo. But they need the FBI to confirm they are live rounds?

That makes no sense to me.

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My guess is local LEOs don't have the means to do,testing that would hold up in court. That's why they are gong through the fbi

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Testing? Can't they just look at it?

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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Martin Q. Blank said:

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BQ_90 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Sheriff can't say how live rounds were on set. But in 500 rounds of ammo seized included, blanks, dummy rounds and "suspected" live ammo. But they need the FBI to confirm they are live rounds?

That makes no sense to me.

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My guess is local LEOs don't have the means to do,testing that would hold up in court. That's why they are gong through the fbi

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Testing? Can't they just look at it?

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Dummy rounds could be bullets pressed into a casing without powder with real or cosmetic primers. No you might not be able to tell "just by looking at them."

I'd suspect if those rounds were on set along side real ammunition (not sure why, but maybe a shot needed it) then the armorer should have means of separating the two, should they somehow through negligence become co-mingled. Easiest means of determining would be weight.

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"I think the best part about my job is just showing people who are normally kind of freaked out by guns how safe they can be and how they're not really problematic unless put in the wrong hands," Reed said on "Voices of the West."

Reed revealed "Rust" was her second movie where she was in charge of the weapons on set. Her father, Thell Reed, is also a well-known Hollywood armorer.

Reed also said on the podcast that "loading blanks" into a prop gun is the "scariest thing to me."

"You have to like look at the front of it and determine which one is the blank if it's dummied up. That's how I tell at least," she explained. "Every movie I'm learning new and new things it's all very quick."

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BQ_90 said:

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Two people you don't want learning on the job, firearms handler and snake wrangler

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BQ_90 said:

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Two people you don't want learning on the job, firearms handler and snake wrangler

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aggiehawg said:

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I was also under the impression that armorers create their own blanks and dummy rounds for use with a particular firearm? Clearly she wasn't doing that either on this set nor the other set she worked on.

So who did?

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We're trying to determine the people that inspected or handled the firearm when it was loaded before it got to Mr. Baldwin," Mendoza said. "So there's further investigation, further interviews we're going to try and determine exactly how that happened and if they should have known that there was a live round in that firearm."

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A furious Nicolas Cage stormed off the set of a film where Hannah Gutierrez-Reed was in charge of weapons and ripped the rookie armorer for firing a gun without warning, crew members said in a new report.

The 24-year-old "Rust" armorer in charge of guns when Alec Baldwin shot dead cinematographer Halyna Hutchins last Thursday was repeatedly accused by crew members of breaking basic safety protocols on the Montana set of Cage's "The Old Way" in August, they told the Wrap.

Cage even walked off set screaming at Gutierrez-Reed after she fired a gun without warning for the second time in three days, the movie's key grip, Stu Brumbaugh, told the outlet.

"Make an announcement, you just blew my fing eardrums out!" Cage yelled before walking off in a rage, Brumbaugh recalled.

Brumbaugh even told the assistant director of the armorer, "She needs to be let go," he recalled.

"After the second round, I was pissed off. We were moving too fast. She's a rookie," he said, saying that it was only after complaining that he found out it was the key crew member's first movie in charge of weapons.

Brumbaugh detailed a series of complaints that were made about Gutierrez-Reed, including that she walked onto the set with live rounds or blanks without announcing it to the cast and crew.

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She also walked around with pistols tucked under her armpits such that they were pointing back at people, and allowed firearms to be aimed at people, Brumbaugh told the Wrap.

Another crew member who spoke on the condition of anonymity confirmed the concerns.
Gutierrez-Reed "put the cast and crew in several unnecessary and dangerous situations," the unidentified crew member told the Wrap.

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"As producers refuse to bring more experienced people because their rates are higher, they demand we take our time and (producers) don't want to pay it. So they hire a newbie who is energetic and wants the job and will do it with less people," he said.

More than Gutierrez-Reed's inexperience, he believes the problem on "Rust" was that "she didn't have help," Brumbaugh said, echoing complaints from other experienced movie crew members.

"She was doing everything by herself in that movie and on the other movie.

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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Do we know for sure how many shots were fired?

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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Good question.
Why do I sincerely doubt the 24 yr olds ability/knowledge to press her own dummy rounds.

If she was, that could explain the actual live ammo, if she was pulling bullets, dumping powder, and re-pressing

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