Don't all blanks have a paper or wax wad to hold the powder in? That wad comes out of the barrel when fired and, if the end of the barrel is close enough to an object, can cause damage to the object.

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How did she shoot herself in the foot with a blank?

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The wadding.

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But only if there's some wadding left in the barrel? Confused.

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Wadding is part of the blank.

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To understand what blanks are, we have to look at how a "bullet" is constructed. In order to be effective, the bullet and gun have to contain something to make a spark to set the entire firing process in motion, a fuel source that will ignite quickly and create a lot of gas to shove the projectile out, and the actual flying projectile itself. In the old days, bullets would come in packages that would contain all of those things rattling around separately. Shooters would have to load all of them each before firing the gun. Now bullets have all of that in one package. A sleek outer casing (2) will contain the fuel (3) as well as the primer (4) which makes the spark. Meanwhile, the projectile (1), a heavy metal object, will sit at the top, providing a cap to keep the powder from coming out. As long as the gun isn't pressed right up against someone, it's the bullet alone that does the damage.

The bullet only does damage because it is made of a heavy, dense substance. This dense, heavy object easily keeps its momentum as it flies through the air, and can tunnel into human flesh. Replace the metal bullet with a piece of wadded up paper or cotton, as is done in blanks, and it generally does as much damage as a wadded up piece of paper ever can do. The farther the paper flies, the more it matches its own flimsy mass against the pressure of the air it's trying to push through. It gets slower and slower, and can't do any damage to flesh. Anywhere farther than a couple of feet out from a blank and you have nothing to fear unless by some unlucky chance it happens to land directly in your eye.

Things get tragic when people attempt to put the guns right up to their bodies and fire. Because they're used for show, and because the show has to be impressive, blanks are sometimes loaded with more gunpowder than regular bullets. The edges of the casing are also bent inwards, to hold the paper more securely and let more pressure build up as the gas pushes from behind. This massive amount of gas comes shooting out of the gun very fast. Once it's out of the gun it expands in all directions and is harmless, but if a human skull is pressed directly to the barrel, the gas, and whatever is propelled in front of it, hits fast enough to shatter bone.

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Gizmodo article

Halls' Attorney is a complete disaster

sicandtiredTXN said:

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Halls' Attorney is a complete disaster

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Not following. What did I miss?

aggiehawg said:

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sicandtiredTXN said:

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Halls' Attorney is a complete disaster

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Not following. What did I miss?

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She was on Martha Maccallum's show and she was a disaster I will try to find you a link

Thanks! Been following the Rittenhouse trial all day. Appreciate it!

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Don't all blanks have a paper or wax wad to hold the powder in? That wad comes out of the barrel when fired and, if the end of the barrel is close enough to an object, can cause damage to the object.

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I think that's what happened to John Eric Hexum back in the 80s.

And I believe what happened to Brandon Lee too.

Edited, not what happened. It was a bullet, sorry for the mistake.

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Thanks! Been following the Rittenhouse trial all day. Appreciate it!

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I was driving listening to it on the Radio and having problems finding a link, I have it on my DVR her name is Lisa Torraco, and she's a flake.

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Jabin said:

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Don't all blanks have a paper or wax wad to hold the powder in? That wad comes out of the barrel when fired and, if the end of the barrel is close enough to an object, can cause damage to the object.

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I think that's what happened to John Eric Hexum back in the 80s.

And I believe what happened to Brandon Lee too.

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Brandon Lee was shot with an actual bullet

Brandon Lee was due to a real slug. Days before they used dummy bullets to get a realistic front shot of the gun (remove slug, empty powder, discharge primer, replace slug). The problem is they didn't discharge the primer, so when used in a scene, it generated enough power to dislodge the slug into the barrel with no one noticing. Days later, blanks are loaded into the gun and its fired in Lee's direction without realizing a dislodged slug is in the barrel. The blank fires the dislodged slug into Lee

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Jabin said:

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Don't all blanks have a paper or wax wad to hold the powder in? That wad comes out of the barrel when fired and, if the end of the barrel is close enough to an object, can cause damage to the object.

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I think that's what happened to John Eric Hexum back in the 80s.

And I believe what happened to Brandon Lee too.

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Brandon Lee was shot with an actual bullet

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OK I didn't remember correctly about Lee, my mistake, but thought that's what happened to Hexum. He was screwing around with the gun in between scenes and put it up to his head.

Had to look it up though and actually it wasn't the wadding, it was the muzzle blast.

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On October 12, 1984, the cast and crew of Cover Up were filming the seventh episode of the series, "Golden Opportunity", on Stage 18 of the 20th Century Fox lot. One of the scenes filmed that day called for Hexum's character to load bullets into a .44 Magnum handgun, so he was provided with a functional gun and blanks. When the scene did not play as the director wanted it to in the master shot, there was a delay in filming. Hexum became restless and impatient during the delay and began playing around to lighten the mood. He had unloaded all but one (blank) round, spun it, andsimulating Russian roulettehe put the revolver to his right temple and pulled the trigger, apparently unaware of the danger.

Some blanks use paper or plastic wadding to seal gunpowder into the cartridge. This wadding is propelled from the barrel of the gun with enough explosive force to cause death or serious injury if the weapon is fired within a few feet of the body, particularly at a vulnerable spot such as the temple or the eye. The paper wadding in the blank that Hexum discharged did not penetrate his skull. However, the explosive effect of the muzzle blast caused enough blunt force trauma to fracture a quarter-sized piece of his skull and propel this into his brain, causing massive hemorrhaging.

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Brandon Lee was due to a real slug. Days before they used dummy bullets to get a realistic front shot of the gun (remove slug, empty powder, discharge primer, replace slug). The problem is they didn't discharge the primer, so when used in a scene, it generated enough power to dislodge the slug into the barrel with no one noticing. Days later, blanks are loaded into the gun and its fired in Lee's direction without realizing a dislodged slug is in the barrel. The blank fires the dislodged slug into Lee

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Yes, you're correct, that's what happened. I remembered it being something like a primer or wadding, as you said something being in the barrel when shot.

Right. He was effectively shot with a full bullet, just happened in freakish 2-part circumstances. Sloppy, negligent circumstances, but not nearly as sloppy as this Baldwin shooting.

I was curious about something, I did not realize that Travis Fimmel was in this movie as well. But this is an interesting quote from Baldwin.

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In May 2020, it was announced that Alec Baldwin would produce and star in Rust, a Western based on a story he created with writer and director Joel Souza. Baldwin said that he was elated to work with Souza after missing the opportunity to star in Crown Vic (2019). He compared the screenplay to the film Unforgiven (1992), and said it was inspired by a true story. When asked about his gun slinging and horse riding skills, he said:

"They're always at the ready. I'm an actor of the old school. So if you read my resume my motorcycle riding, my French, juggling, my horseback riding, my gunplay is all right at my fingertips at all times."

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Thanks! Been following the Rittenhouse trial all day. Appreciate it!

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Counselor I sure hope you really appreciate this. It took five times for me to film this without cracking up and start shaking and screw up the video to get it right, it' an iPhone Video of my TV Screen and uploaded to YouTube but it will have to do.

If this Gal represents David Halls in a criminal trial he may get the death penalty, she's a disaster, there's no way she's a trial lawyer, she must be just some Hollywood Agent that happens to be an attorney or sorts.

Her melodramatic pauses to seek empathy reactions are priceless. The sigh, then hand to her chest, classic stage craft nonsense

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She has a significantly different version of events that contradicts a lot of what is out there.

Seems like lots of misdirection going on there. She's clearly trying to not answer the questions with anything substantive.

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Seems like lots of misdirection going on there. She's clearly trying to not answer the questions with anything substantive.

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Or she's just an idiot and can't answer questions.

Oooh! That's an ouch!

Halls' lawyers should be keeping their mouths shut/

aggiehawg said:

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Oooh! That's an ouch!

Halls' lawyers should be keeping their mouths shut/

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You're just being nice

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She has a significantly different version of events that contradicts a lot of what is out there.

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Is it a significantly different version or is it something where she is merely emphasizing things to absolve her client?

For example, she is not saying that he didn't hand the firearm to Baldwin -- she is saying that it doesn't matter whether he did or not.

That said, why would one hand the firearm to the assistant director merely because he might be a few inches closer? If they handed it to him to hand to Baldwin, it seems more likely to be because he was supposed to do that.

I can't post link cuz word azz...but pretty funny clip on IG

Ass isn't filtered.

In the construction business, a company and it's leadership would face huge fines and possible criminal charges if they failed to provide proper safety training and enforcement for people on their job site. In the utility business, PG&E was convicted criminally for fires caused by its equipment.

Meanwhile, in the movie business, you can handle a firearm with zero training or instruction, actually shoot someone, and the person who both pulled the trigger and is the "CEO" of the movie has zero responsibility because it's a "one in a trillion" event. Mmk.

After going back over that interview on Martha McCallum's show Halls' idiot attorney Lisa Torraco Made some really contradictory and stupid statements.

Crap like "He's not responsible for checking it. That's not the assistant director's job. If he chooses to check the firearm because he wants to make sure that everyone's safe, he can do that, but that's not his responsibility." which is blatantly false. In fact it was Hall's responsibility to replace the crew that walked off the set. And all the industry experts that have been interviewed have all said he was directly part of the chain of verification and custody of the firearms on that set.

She also said "This idea my client grabbed the gun off a cart and handed it to Baldwin absolutely did not happen."

Well actual court documents describe Halls giving the gun to Baldwin, declaring it to be "cold", in the investigation report by the Sheriff's Office Hall said he gave it to Baldwin himself. He also made the statement during the investigation the he "saw three shells in the Pistol before they broke for lunch". All of this is already documented and this idiot attorney is trying to backtrack on that, but when McCallum pressed her further and circled back to that denial, she did not repeat that claim and avoided answering again. She new she lied more than likely and just deflected, to avoid lying again.

Halls statement that he saw three shells in the pistol before lunch is fishy because unless he was looking at the front of the cylinder it's impossible to see three shells from the cylinder gate, the most you could see is one maybe one and a half if it was clocked correctly. Now if he spun the cylinder he could see three with the gate opened.

Torraco also said that it "doesn't matter" whether Halls handed the gun to Baldwin because it's "not the assistant director's job" to check the gun. That "doesn't matter" part could come back to haunt him later if he winds up in front of a jury. When a young girl is dead, the "doesn't matter" is a big ouch.

Torraco also said that she thinks the situation is "extra hard" for Halls "because not only is he so overwhelmed with sadness but now the target of the investigation, people are starting to point fingers at him and it's overwhelming." Really? REALLY? How frigging hard do you think it is for the dead girl or her family. She seemed to be referencing a number of reports highlighting previous cases in which Halls reportedly neglected safety procedures, on other movie sets, and it's not just an isolated few. This guy seemed to have a pattern of screwups.

Not all just firearm incidents, supposedly he had a habit of pushing an actors to do unsafe stunts themselves to keep from having to pay a stunt double over objections from stunt coordinators and other crew members. People who worked with Halls on other projects have also complained about his behavior in general overall. He was fired as assistant director from the movie "Freedom's Path" in 2019, when a gun "unexpectedly discharged" and injured a crew member. He was under the same job description as he was on "Rust" and weapons inspection was part of his purview there too. That incident caused a sound crew member to recoil from the blast, halting production, the production company was Rocket Soul Studios, and Halls was removed from set immediately after the gun discharged. Production did not resume filming until Halls was off site and an incident report was taken and after wrapping production for the day, Halls was officially terminated and given the specific reasons for his termination in writing, The production company had to hire a new assistant director a new armorer were hired to finished the film successfully. All this is on file and is included in this investigation by Sheriff's Investigators on this "Rust" incident.

This may be the motivation for sending out this idiot attorney to maybe nuddy up the water with conflicting crap for any potential jury members he may or maynot face in the future. But I think this interview with McCallum was a huge disaster for him. Whoever came up with the idea to put he on Fox News needs to be fired.

Oops

Nvm!

https://apple.news/AtCEseJwgSIi1RmxuMmvxLQ

Think they read TexAgs?

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I was curious about something, I did not realize that Travis Fimmel was in this movie as well. But this is an interesting quote from Baldwin.

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In May 2020, it was announced that Alec Baldwin would produce and star in Rust, a Western based on a story he created with writer and director Joel Souza. Baldwin said that he was elated to work with Souza after missing the opportunity to star in Crown Vic (2019). He compared the screenplay to the film Unforgiven (1992), and said it was inspired by a true story. When asked about his gun slinging and horse riding skills, he said:

"They're always at the ready. I'm an actor of the old school. So if you read my resume my motorcycle riding, my French, juggling, my horseback riding, my gunplay is all right at my fingertips at all times."

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Gunplay is a word for gun use descending from the word swordplay, which is the act or skill of fencing or using a foil. It is not "playing" with a gun all much as it is the skill of using one.

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Seems like lots of misdirection going on there. She's clearly trying to not answer the questions with anything substantive.

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I think she made a mistake even going on there. They just need to keep their mouths shut right now and let this thing play out.

Baldwin is making things way worse for himself not that I feel too sorry for him. I mean it must be horrible to know that you caused the death of someone but this guy has been such a vile POS for so long now speaking out on other peoples tragedies that it's hard to have too much sympathy for him. His arrogance just will not allow him to stay silent.

Don't think the meaning of the word was in question, more that he's claimed expertise in the past with guns which could give him more culpability and bite him in the ***.

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I was curious about something, I did not realize that Travis Fimmel was in this movie as well. But this is an interesting quote from Baldwin.

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In May 2020, it was announced that Alec Baldwin would produce and star in Rust, a Western based on a story he created with writer and director Joel Souza. Baldwin said that he was elated to work with Souza after missing the opportunity to star in Crown Vic (2019). He compared the screenplay to the film Unforgiven (1992), and said it was inspired by a true story. When asked about his gun slinging and horse riding skills, he said:

"They're always at the ready. I'm an actor of the old school. So if you read my resume my motorcycle riding, my French, juggling, my horseback riding, my gunplay is all right at my fingertips at all times."

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Gunplay is a word for gun use descending from the word swordplay, which is the act or skill of fencing or using a foil. It is not "playing" with a gun all much as it is the skill of using one.

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Yes but it's possible this comment my come to bite him in the ass later. He was coming across rather confident and cocky and if he's trying to play the "gee I didn't know" card now that's kind of contradictory.

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Don't think the meaning of the word was in question, more that he's claimed expertise in the past with guns which could give him more culpability and bite him in the ***.

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This. I was typing that at the same time.

lol, 3rd

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