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Alec Baldwin may be in some hot water
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Gloria Allred talking about personal responsibility? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!aggiehawg said:NEW: Attorney @GloriaAllred tells @DLoesch that #AlecBaldwin is responsible for the fatal accident on the set of "Rust" because he was a producer.#DanaRadio @TheFirstonTV
— The Dana Show (@DanaLoeschRadio) December 2, 2021
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FWIW.
Deplorable Neanderthal Clinger
Meh, why I included the FWIW comment.
But her point about corporate criminal responsibility here was a point I made early in this thread.
Before you think that I am using Allred to justify a legal point I made early on, well.. you would be correct. Doesn't mean that I was incorrect in that analysis nor does it mean Allred is wrong in the same analysis. The arguments are there. Whether successful or not is why we have an adversarial system.
That having been said, I would have a very hard time composing a narrative and a theory of the case were I working for Baldwin in any capacity, individually or corporate.
But her point about corporate criminal responsibility here was a point I made early in this thread.
Before you think that I am using Allred to justify a legal point I made early on, well.. you would be correct. Doesn't mean that I was incorrect in that analysis nor does it mean Allred is wrong in the same analysis. The arguments are there. Whether successful or not is why we have an adversarial system.
That having been said, I would have a very hard time composing a narrative and a theory of the case were I working for Baldwin in any capacity, individually or corporate.
TexasRebel said:Not possible with a SAA Colt.96ags said:
Doesn't he basically admit in that interview to pulling the hammer back 3/4 of the way and letting is slam forward?
halfway back is the loading notch. It catches the hammer, and unlocks the cylinder so the operator can spin the cylinder while loading through the gate.
The only way to miss the loading notch? Pull the trigger.
So the hammer can't move past the locked position until it's cocked if you continue to pull it back and let go of it?
eta not cocked and let go of the hammer
Watch the video that is here. LinkNE PA Ag said:TexasRebel said:Not possible with a SAA Colt.96ags said:
Doesn't he basically admit in that interview to pulling the hammer back 3/4 of the way and letting is slam forward?
halfway back is the loading notch. It catches the hammer, and unlocks the cylinder so the operator can spin the cylinder while loading through the gate.
The only way to miss the loading notch? Pull the trigger.
So the hammer can't move past the locked position until it's cocked if you continue to pull it back and let go of it?
eta not cocked and let go of the hammer
Perfect video
Martha MacCallum has another expert named Wolf on her show that made the same type of demonstration. Wolf by chance was involved in the investigation of the shooting of Brandon Lee. He basically made the same exact demonstration.
Martha MacCallum has another expert named Wolf on her show that made the same type of demonstration. Wolf by chance was involved in the investigation of the shooting of Brandon Lee. He basically made the same exact demonstration.
"We're going to turn this red Prius into a soup kitchen!"
TexasRebel said:With a Colt SAA (or replica) you can always fan the hammer while pulling the trigger. No modification necessary.Kozmozag said:
The gun was probably modified to have a slip hammer. You don't have to pull the trigger, you can fan the hammer. That's what it sounds like he was doing.
What's clear is that Baldwin is aiming for a "gun malfunction" defense. Blame the gun, not me.
Baldwin's story on hammer seems to only makes sense if he was "already holding" the trigger down after a dry fire, then he thumb fanned the hammer without ever "pulling" the trigger.
Baldwin seems to be putting forth a defense claim to ultimately maybe try to get a partial cock and hammer bump fire. But if I'm not mistaken that would require more than a "let go of hammer" if trigger was not depressed. So in other words you can't flick the hammer into primer by letting go of it, but instead have to bump hammer with momentum towards primer.
Have we confirmed if the gun on set had a hammer block or transfer system or some mechanism to rule out bump>hammer>primer scenarios?
3.40 mark shows partial cock example with pin on hammer....worn notch could lead to bump fire
3 min mark shows a Pietta half cock with flat hammer and transfer bar...
From https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/santa-fe-county-district-attorney-alec-baldwin-criminal-charges-culpability
I'm not sure why that would be necessary for a movie. Sure, an actual gunfighter would have to perfect that, but in a movie he could already have it cocked when he drew it. That would make the learning curve simpler. If he thought about safety at all, he could practice without the hammer cocked and thus greatly reduce the chance of error.
I've seen lots of westerns and lots of gunfights in them and I cannot remember ever seeing a a movie gunfighter cocking the hammer as he drew. I'm sure they did, but unless you are very explicitly looking for it, you would likely never see it. And with all their camera angles and camera tricks, they should be able to hide it anyway.
If his claim in the final paragraph is true, it sounds like he was practicing a fast draw that included cocking the hammer during the draw.Quote:
Santa Fe County District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies countered actor Alec Baldwin's claim that he's in the clear with respect to criminal charges over his involvement in the deadly shooting on the set of "Rust."
...
The actor said he'd been in touch with people who assured him it was "highly unlikely" he would face criminal charges.
But Carmack-Altwies says no one who handled guns on the movie set has been cleared of criminal culpability.
"Everyone involved in the handling and use of firearms on the set had a duty to behave in a manner such that the safety of others was protected, and it appears that certain actions and inactions contributed to this outcome," Carmack-Altwies told TMZ.
"Once I have had the opportunity to review the complete investigation, certain individuals may be criminally culpable for his/her actions and/or inactions on the set of Rust," she added.
... Baldwin claimed he had pulled the hammer of the gun back as far it would go and then released it. When the hammer released, the gun fired, Baldwin said during Thursday night's interview.
I'm not sure why that would be necessary for a movie. Sure, an actual gunfighter would have to perfect that, but in a movie he could already have it cocked when he drew it. That would make the learning curve simpler. If he thought about safety at all, he could practice without the hammer cocked and thus greatly reduce the chance of error.
I've seen lots of westerns and lots of gunfights in them and I cannot remember ever seeing a a movie gunfighter cocking the hammer as he drew. I'm sure they did, but unless you are very explicitly looking for it, you would likely never see it. And with all their camera angles and camera tricks, they should be able to hide it anyway.
"We're going to turn this red Prius into a soup kitchen!"
Those claiming that Baldwins Pietta had a transfer bar instead of a pin watch this.
Someone posted a video of a Pietta that some guy in canada has, while similar this video shows the Pietta Army replica that was the same as was on the set.
Someone posted a video of a Pietta that some guy in canada has, while similar this video shows the Pietta Army replica that was the same as was on the set.
"We're going to turn this red Prius into a soup kitchen!"
About a week after he killed the lady he was working with.
This theory is interesting. That although Alec didn't think there were live rounds loaded, he might have actually been butting heads with Helena. Him pointing gun at her was likely not an angle that was supposed to be in the movie. So he could have been fed up with the cinematographer trying to be director and pointed gun at her "how this, is this better" etc etc in a argumentative way. And of course it looks like from other posters he mechanically pretty much had to have both cocked hammer AND pulled the trigger in the process.
Yikes if this theory is corroborated by other witnesses. It would explain why Baldwin would do an interview to get out in front of what investigators are going to document in their findings. Otherwise, an interview would obviously not be in is best interest legally.
Narrative is blame gun, and that pointing gun at Helena was completely justified for movie production purposes. That Helana was a good friend and NOT someone he jist recently met and butted heads with.
Yikes if this theory is corroborated by other witnesses. It would explain why Baldwin would do an interview to get out in front of what investigators are going to document in their findings. Otherwise, an interview would obviously not be in is best interest legally.
Narrative is blame gun, and that pointing gun at Helena was completely justified for movie production purposes. That Helana was a good friend and NOT someone he jist recently met and butted heads with.
He knocked her up and she wouldn't terminate the evidence.
Branca's take on the interview, FWIW.
Link
I still doubt the Santa Fe DA will charge Baldwin individually.
Link
I still doubt the Santa Fe DA will charge Baldwin individually.
Bo Duke shows how a single action Colt works.
Maybe altered with a slip hammer?
Oh why stop with the what ifs there, why not say modified with a belt fed rotary hammer with a mini gun barrel mod as well
Geez just pull crap outta your ass to try and make conversation
Slip hammer mods are made for trick shot artists, if they are going to do that in a scene they hire a professional for that.
Baldwin shot and killed a girl and there is no excuse for his dumbass doing it.
Geez just pull crap outta your ass to try and make conversation
Slip hammer mods are made for trick shot artists, if they are going to do that in a scene they hire a professional for that.
Baldwin shot and killed a girl and there is no excuse for his dumbass doing it.
"We're going to turn this red Prius into a soup kitchen!"
That is one clunky example of a SAA.
Too late
BREAKING: Alec Baldwin and his wife deleted their Twitter accounts.
— Art TakingBack 🇺🇸 (@ArtValley818_) December 6, 2021
DA says possible "criminal accident"...I guess that's why Alec was so adamant about not pulling trigger and blaming gun.
That interview by Baldwin was a very bad idea.
Criminal "accident"???BlueTaze said:
DA says possible "criminal accident"...I guess that's why Alec was so adamant about not pulling trigger and blaming gun.
Those terms don't go together.
The left has been making words and phrases up in order to fit their agenda for decades. Shouldnt be surprised anymore when they do it.
Wouldn't that describe vehicular manslaughter, among others?Quote:
Criminal "accident"???
Those terms don't go together.
The main reason I tuned into that is the Kim Potter trial in the death of Daunte Wright.Sea Speed said:
The left has been making words and phrases up in order to fit their agenda for decades. Shouldnt be surprised anymore when they do it.
Accident is a defense. Not the best defense but still a recognized defense. She was a desk cop for the last several years, pressed into on the beat duty due to, well you know why, and she wasn't street ready anymore. Assuming she was a beat cop years ago.
Trial will be interesting. Need some F16 votes here (not stars) should I start a new thread for the trial day by day with new threads?
Or keep this Potter thread going, since few people are paying attention.
Post thumbs up for new threads.
Post thumbs down to keep the Potter trial one going.
Love Viva. He and Barnes have become my fav podcast since Rush passed.
BoerneGator said:Wouldn't that describe vehicular manslaughter, among others?Quote:
Criminal "accident"???
Those terms don't go together.
Yeah, I think she substituted the word "accident" in for "involuntary". Trying to ease the public into a manslaughter charge.
I think this is actually worse than people think. Alec going on TV to put out a narrative ahead of investigation is a big red flag. I hope there is audio that gets released of the final words between Alec and Helena.
Pumpkinhead said:
That interview by Baldwin was a very bad idea.
Well just imagine what investigators have for Alec do something so desperate. Oh yeah, what happened to the sheriff's order about not talking about it?
If the driver was drunk.BoerneGator said:Wouldn't that describe vehicular manslaughter, among others?Quote:
Criminal "accident"???
Those terms don't go together.
Only applies to drunk/incapacitated?
Generally speaking, yes.BoerneGator said:
Only applies to drunk/incapacitated?
At a minimum he should be charged with this:
Involuntary manslaughter involves a killing that occurs while the defendant is engaging in a lawful but dangerous act without exercising "due caution and circumspection."
Involuntary manslaughter involves a killing that occurs while the defendant is engaging in a lawful but dangerous act without exercising "due caution and circumspection."
Going to throw this out there from the outskirts of crazy town. Could Baldwin try and mount a defense that his years spent acting blurred the lines from reality and make believe. If Alec was consumed in his role he detaches from the reality that his gun was dangerous and may be loaded - he is there to deliver a performance for the cameras, could he argue against comparing to what a rational person not in acting may act with a gun.
Of course it is BS, but folks have been acquitted on far more bizarre theories.
Of course it is BS, but folks have been acquitted on far more bizarre theories.
This is nails…Quote:
If Alec was consumed in his role he detaches from the reality…
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