It's quite pathetic, but it could work.

When things get really bad Alec will just claim it was technically Harland Rust who killed Helena, not Alec Bladwin.

He's been laying the ground work for his mental health to be a factor to consider over the last 25+ years.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2018/11/02/alec-baldwin-arrest-temper-voicemail-flight-bike/1860480002/

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He's been laying the ground work for his mental health to be a factor to consider over the last 25+ years.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2018/11/02/alec-baldwin-arrest-temper-voicemail-flight-bike/1860480002/

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Wifey and I watched "The Hunt For Red October " again the other night. What a great movie and what a great job Alec did. What the hell happened? He went from a great actor to a frivolous unfunny political comedian. Loved by the left, loathed by anyone with half a brain. It's a shame.

Think you hit on it; he'd do better to spend most of his time, going forward, in a submarine, deep at sea!

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He's been laying the ground work for his mental health to be a factor to consider over the last 25+ years.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2018/11/02/alec-baldwin-arrest-temper-voicemail-flight-bike/1860480002/

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Wifey and I watched "The Hunt For Red October " again the other night. What a great movie and what a great job Alec did. What the hell happened? He went from a great actor to a frivolous unfunny political comedian. Loved by the left, loathed by anyone with half a brain. It's a shame.

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This. He was also hilarious on 30 rock. Over the last eight years or so though the guy has become liberal to a fault, despicable, disgusting, vile, cruel and a liar. And his arrogance has just been off the charts. Too bad he didn't take an NRA gun safety course instead of mocking them all this time. She wouldn't be dead.

LMAO

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Bo Duke shows how a single action Colt works.

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I watched the whole thing and that was actually very interesting.

And I will say, even though his hair was a little messy there, that is still one nice-looking man.

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That interview by Baldwin was a very bad idea.

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His arrogance allowed that. I also think he's trying to play dumb.

I don't think it has anything to do with "being in denial," this is very deliberate.

Did y'all know that his wife "Hilaria" lies about being Spanish? She was born in Boston and has used a FAKE Spanish accent for years.

BUSTED

This is another bad look for Alec and Hilaria. They just can't help themselves. They keep traipsing around all over the place instead of staying on what I assume is a massive property. I understand they have a lot of young children but I'm sure they have plenty of help that could transport the kids.

The way she keeps filming everybody to is trying to portray themselves as victims.

They need to just keep their asses at home, show some humility. Now I understand they're going to a private home and this guy I guess did intrude on them but don't even put yourself out there. And Alec put another target on his back by doing that ill-conceived interview.

I am very sorry that this woman's dead but he is such an arrogant piece of crap and in some way you almost have to believe this is some kind of karma after the way he has treated other people and displayed constant arrogance.

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I am very sorry that this woman's dead but he is such an arrogant piece of crap and in some way you almost have to believe this is some kind of karma after the way he has treated other people and displayed constant arrogance.

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Amen.

At 5:50 mark this guy goes thru all hammer positions to show fanning or releasing thumb doesn't fire primer without trigger pull.



Again here at 4:25 mark....Baldwin claims disputed



*only possible way is IF bottom of hammer is extremely worn down....so I'm sure that's part of the investigation to confirm.

A lawsuit filed over the matters says that Baldwin was never even intended to fire a firearm in that scene.

From https://www.reuters.com/world/us/crew-member-rust-movie-says-script-never-called-gun-be-fired-hollywood-reporter-2021-11-17/

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crew member working on the Western movie "Rust" said in a lawsuit on Wednesday that the script never called for a gun to be fired during a scene that Alec Baldwin was rehearsing when he killed a cinematographer last month.

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The lawsuit said the "Rust" script called for three tight camera shots for the scene - one of Baldwin's eyes, another of a bloodstain, and a third on Baldwin's torso "as he reached his hand down to the holster and removed the gun."

Baldwin "intentionally, without just cause or excuse, cocked and fired the loaded gun even though the upcoming scene did not call for the cocking and firing of a firearm," the lawsuit asserts.

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Well that could prove damning for him

Oh man that's ugly. I had seen several commentaries that he wasn't supposed to fire a gun in that scene and never really paid it much attention, because of the level of punditry that goes on in these types of cases, but this is really damning. His entire confession he just made on the Stephanopoulos show, really isn't going to stand up under scrutiny, if this idiot does shut up he's going to bury himself even more. If this idiot gets charged criminally you can bet he's going to demand to testify like Juicy did, and the one question about what scene they were supposedly rehearsing and getting camera and lighting angles for exactly, he's going to likely shay it was a last minute re-write or improv, he will almost certainly blame on the dead girl.

I ABSOLUTELY believe that last paragraph, that the scene being rehearsed ONLY called for him to move his hand to the holster. HE made the conscious decision to continue the motion of drawing the weapon and whipping it up as if to shoot. At least that's my ASSumption.
Lot of shoulda, coulda, woulda.....

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I ABSOLUTELY believe that last paragraph, that the scene being rehearsed ONLY called for him to move his hand to the holster. HE made the conscious decision to continue the motion of drawing the weapon and whipping it up as if to shoot. At least that's my ASSumption.
Lot of shoulda, coulda, woulda.....

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Baldwin claimed in the interview with George that the cinematographer was giving him directions where to point the gun.

Now, considering the director was standing right behind her, the same one who handed the gun to Baldwin, only the director can give orders contrary to the scripted shot. Cinematographer can make suggestions but that is the director's call.

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I ABSOLUTELY believe that last paragraph, that the scene being rehearsed ONLY called for him to move his hand to the holster. HE made the conscious decision to continue the motion of drawing the weapon and whipping it up as if to shoot. At least that's my ASSumption.
Lot of shoulda, coulda, woulda.....

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Baldwin claimed in the interview with George that the cinematographer was giving him directions where to point the gun.

Now, considering the director was standing right behind her, the same one who handed the gun to Baldwin, only the director can give orders contrary to the scripted shot. Cinematographer can make suggestions but that is the director's call.

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I thought the script writer was saying he was not supposed to be firing a gun in that scene.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/rust-shooting-alec-baldwin-producers-sued-script-supervisor-1235049249/

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According to Mamie Mitchell, "There was nothing in the script indicating that a firearm was to have been discharged."

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I ABSOLUTELY believe that last paragraph, that the scene being rehearsed ONLY called for him to move his hand to the holster. HE made the conscious decision to continue the motion of drawing the weapon and whipping it up as if to shoot. At least that's my ASSumption.
Lot of shoulda, coulda, woulda.....

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Baldwin claimed in the interview with George that the cinematographer was giving him directions where to point the gun.

Now, considering the director was standing right behind her, the same one who handed the gun to Baldwin, only the director can give orders contrary to the scripted shot. Cinematographer can make suggestions but that is the director's call.

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I thought the script writer was saying he was not supposed to be firing a gun in that scene.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/rust-shooting-alec-baldwin-producers-sued-script-supervisor-1235049249/

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According to Mamie Mitchell, "There was nothing in the script indicating that a firearm was to have been discharged."

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Understand. My point being that Baldwin seemed to be implying that Halyna was changing the scripted shot.

I'm saying she usually can't do that but the director can.

"only the director can give orders contrary to the scripted shot"....
I'm just assuming that Baldwin (being the arrogant narcissist we all know he is), just went with the moment and flippantly followed through with drawing the weapon instead of stopping with his hand on the holster like he was supposed to.

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"only the director can give orders contrary to the scripted shot"....
I'm just assuming that Baldwin (being the arrogant narcissist we all know he is), just went with the moment and flippantly followed through with drawing the weapon instead of stopping with his hand on the holster like he was supposed to.

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Haven't seen the script yet, so really don't know for sure.

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pdc093 said:

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I ABSOLUTELY believe that last paragraph, that the scene being rehearsed ONLY called for him to move his hand to the holster. HE made the conscious decision to continue the motion of drawing the weapon and whipping it up as if to shoot. At least that's my ASSumption.
Lot of shoulda, coulda, woulda.....

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Baldwin claimed in the interview with George that the cinematographer was giving him directions where to point the gun.

Now, considering the director was standing right behind her, the same one who handed the gun to Baldwin, only the director can give orders contrary to the scripted shot. Cinematographer can make suggestions but that is the director's call.

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The director that was standing directly behind her who took the thru n thru to the right shoulder wasn't David Halls, it was Joel Souza, and it was Halls (asst director) who supposedly handed baldwin the pistol.

Careful, mods might delete your post and ban you for "harassing" a certain poster.

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I ABSOLUTELY believe that last paragraph, that the scene being rehearsed ONLY called for him to move his hand to the holster. HE made the conscious decision to continue the motion of drawing the weapon and whipping it up as if to shoot. At least that's my ASSumption.
Lot of shoulda, coulda, woulda.....

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Baldwin claimed in the interview with George that the cinematographer was giving him directions where to point the gun.

Now, considering the director was standing right behind her, the same one who handed the gun to Baldwin, only the director can give orders contrary to the scripted shot. Cinematographer can make suggestions but that is the director's call.

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The director that was standing directly behind her who took the thru n thru to the right shoulder wasn't David Halls, it was Joel Souza, and it was Halls (asst director) who supposedly handed baldwin the pistol.

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I stand corrected. You are right. Halls gave him the gun.

My bad.

Point remains, director changes the scripted shots, not the CT. Director has the call on all of the scripted shots, it's his movie to direct. Only the director makes that call.

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I ABSOLUTELY believe that last paragraph, that the scene being rehearsed ONLY called for him to move his hand to the holster. HE made the conscious decision to continue the motion of drawing the weapon and whipping it up as if to shoot. At least that's my ASSumption.
Lot of shoulda, coulda, woulda.....

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Baldwin claimed in the interview with George that the cinematographer was giving him directions where to point the gun.

Now, considering the director was standing right behind her, the same one who handed the gun to Baldwin, only the director can give orders contrary to the scripted shot. Cinematographer can make suggestions but that is the director's call.

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I thought the script writer was saying he was not supposed to be firing a gun in that scene.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/rust-shooting-alec-baldwin-producers-sued-script-supervisor-1235049249/

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According to Mamie Mitchell, "There was nothing in the script indicating that a firearm was to have been discharged."

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Understand. My point being that Baldwin seemed to be implying that Halyna was changing the scripted shot.

I'm saying she usually can't do that but the director can.

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Correct Hawg.

If you remember the original story was they were moving the camera shot around for better angles and lighting/shadows effects.

Now Balwin comes up with this malarkey about her giving direction, and as you say changing the script as written. She's a cinematographer not a director, producer or script writer. Just not her job to adlib or improv a scene.

To me his entire premise is to shift the blame to a dead girl who can't dispute his claim. Typical narcissistic Baldwin POS

Precisely.

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Precisely.

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This whole thing is a clown car

You have Baldwin who we know and it can be proven he's lying, simply by his description of how the pistol fired. impossible to do it the way he said.

You have Joel Souza the survivor, who is Baldwin's friend and co investor in the flick, who will likely either lie to help Baldwin or play dumb and say he didn't see what happened and can't recall much due to the shock. (even though the memory papse is entirely possible due to being shot, possibly in shock and it's very well documented that it's a natural body defense mechanism, that in a situation like that or any major trauma the brain's chemical receptors secrete a type of endorphin that kinda block out a traumatic memory. Learned that cool fact in a forensic investigation class)

Then you have David Halls whose flakey attorney Lisa Torraco who gave that interview to Martha McCallum where she was all over the place with his account I think I posted the video. There's no telling what Halls' story will be.

And then we have Hanna Hannah Gutierrez-Reed and Sarah Zachary, whose stores don't jive with anyone's

And then the Sheriff who doesn't believe any of them

This will be must see TV if it goes to court and they allow TV coverage.


Found my video

And that's why potential defendants should STFU.

I think people are underestimating how bad this really is. For it to be a good idea for Baldwin to get out ahead of the investigation, it must be REALLY bad. Particularly the part below, where this could have been the enraged Baldwin mocking a new cinematographer trying to be a director on HIS film.

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And I cock the gun, I go, "Can you see that? Can you see that? Can you see that? And then I let go of the hammer of the gun and the gun goes off.

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Just imagine if there is audio of a couple of expletives mixed in, or a tone like on the call with his daughter. That might be reason enough to call up Stephanopoulos.

What does the armorer have to say about all this?

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What does the armorer have to say about all this?

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Nothing. If she has good attorneys.

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What does the armorer have to say about all this?

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Seems like there was an initial statement by Hannah Gutierrez-Reed like three days after t happened, but when the narrative started pointing at her and the stories came out that there were problems on another set, she dummied up real quick. Likely her Dad told her to STFU pretty quick

You're right, 'hawg.
I'm just making an ASSumption because I REALLY want him to be held accountable.
I let the 'feelz', and his being a horrid person lead me down this path.