Alec Baldwin may be in some hot water

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Madman said:

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lobopride said:

I'd be shocked if anyone but the armorer went to prison. She's not well off like Alec Baldwin.


At least we'll be able to sarcastically apply the moniker "convicted felon" to his name.

"Alec Baldwin, convicted felon" has a nice ring to it.
Fun to say but doesn't make me dislike him anymore than I already do. I suspect in the long run the left will rally around him and this will be a net positive for him in terms of TV and movie parts.

"imagine the trauma of killing someone with a gun! Poor Alec!!"
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Madman said:

Sid Farkas said:

lobopride said:

I'd be shocked if anyone but the armorer went to prison. She's not well off like Alec Baldwin.


At least we'll be able to sarcastically apply the moniker "convicted felon" to his name.

"Alec Baldwin, convicted felon" has a nice ring to it.
Fun to say but doesn't make me dislike him anymore than I already do. I suspect in the long run the left will rally around him and this will be a net positive for him in terms of TV and movie parts.
He could transition like Jenner did after killing someone in an auto accident. All forgiven
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I am confused by the two counts of involuntary manslaughter for each Baldwin and Reed.

Stumping Emily too.

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Also, no charged related to the shooting of the other assistant director behind Halyna. No assault charges?
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Can someone tell me any reason why any movie set would have a single live round on it? I don't count the live rounds for those with carry permits for self protection.
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Kansas Kid said:

Can someone tell me any reason why any movie set would have a single live round on it? I don't count the live rounds for those with carry permits for self protection.
Well, if the armorer is stupid enough to take the stand I'm sure she will be asked that.
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Gotta blame someone?

Hawg, does this mean a grand jury decided to bring charges and take it to court? Or is this before the GJ?

I really think it'll be painted as a pick one of these two people to blame, drop charges against one and full court press the other.
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OnlyForNow said:

Gotta blame someone?

Hawg, does this mean a grand jury decided to bring charges and take it to court? Or is this before the GJ?

I really think it'll be painted as a pick one of these two people to blame, drop charges against one and full court press the other.
I honestly don't know. The press release says they will be issuing charges by the end of the month. Meaning the charges have not yet been filed. Is there a grand jury? Doesn't say.

Is the delay between announcement and the filing of formal charges designed to arrange for their voluntarily turning themselves in? Maybe.

More confusing than shedding any light. There are a ton of civil suits still outstanding, even though the wrongful death suit by Halyna's survivors has been settled.
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aggiehawg said:

OnlyForNow said:

Gotta blame someone?

Hawg, does this mean a grand jury decided to bring charges and take it to court? Or is this before the GJ?

I really think it'll be painted as a pick one of these two people to blame, drop charges against one and full court press the other.
I honestly don't know. The press release says they will be issuing charges by the end of the month. Meaning the charges have not yet been filed. Is there a grand jury? Doesn't say.

Is the delay between announcement and the filing of formal charges designed to arrange for their voluntarily turning themselves in? Maybe.

More confusing than shedding any light. There are a ton of civil suits still outstanding, even though the wrongful death suit by Halyna's survivors has been settled.


They are relying on a judge and forgoing grand jury.

https://www.click2houston.com/entertainment/2023/01/19/prosecutors-to-announce-decision-in-shooting-by-alec-baldwin/

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Carmack-Altwies said charges will be filed by the end of January, and that Baldwin and Gutierrez Reed will be issued a summons to appear in court. She said prosecutors will forgo a grand jury and rely on a judge to determine if there is probable cause to move toward trial.
Thanks. Had not seen that reported yet.
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You have to consider in the background of all of this is New Mexico's budding film industry. I'm sure they are treading lightly in order to not upset that too much.
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They are being charged in the alternative according to the DA. What that means is if they are found guilty on both will only be sentenced for one.
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Will be interesting to be if there are separate trials or if both are tried at the same time.
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torrid said:

Will be interesting to be if there are separate trials or if both are tried at the same time.
Was watching Emily's stream on this. She played a CNN interview with the DA. When the DA was talking about the procedures she said they would go before a judge for a preliminary hearing on the probable cause for arrest and then "possibly" proceed to trial if they get past the prelim. Emily was aghast at that because no DA worth their salt will even file charges if they have even a hint the evidence won't past probable cause muster.

Further she went on to say that when the charges are filed, they will not ask for the arrest of the defendants but will instead request a summons be issued for their appearance or maybe even do the arraignment via zoom.

So Baldwin is being handled with kid gloves, apparently.
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aggiehawg said:

torrid said:

Will be interesting to be if there are separate trials or if both are tried at the same time.
Was watching Emily's stream on this. She played a CNN interview with the DA. When the DA was talking about the procedures she said they would go before a judge for a preliminary hearing on the probable cause for arrest and then "possibly" proceed to trial if they get past the prelim. Emily was aghast at that because no DA worth their salt will even file charges if they have even a hint the evidence won't past probable cause muster.

Further she went on to say that when the charges are filed, they will not ask for the arrest of the defendants but will instead request a summons be issued for their appearance or maybe even do the arraignment via zoom.

So Baldwin is being handled with kid gloves, apparently.


Any predictions as to what misdemeanor he will ultimately take a plea bargain for? No way his case goes to trial.
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aggiehawg said:

Also, no charged related to the shooting of the other assistant director behind Halyna. No assault charges?

I'm guessing since he lived it was his option to pursue assault charges and he declined.
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Kansas Kid said:

aggiehawg said:

torrid said:

Will be interesting to be if there are separate trials or if both are tried at the same time.
Was watching Emily's stream on this. She played a CNN interview with the DA. When the DA was talking about the procedures she said they would go before a judge for a preliminary hearing on the probable cause for arrest and then "possibly" proceed to trial if they get past the prelim. Emily was aghast at that because no DA worth their salt will even file charges if they have even a hint the evidence won't past probable cause muster.

Further she went on to say that when the charges are filed, they will not ask for the arrest of the defendants but will instead request a summons be issued for their appearance or maybe even do the arraignment via zoom.

So Baldwin is being handled with kid gloves, apparently.


Any predictions as to what misdemeanor he will ultimately take a plea bargain for? No way his case goes to trial.
The misdemeanor charge involves negligence in handling a deadly weapon. That's what the Asst. Director Hall pled to.

But I'm not sure Baldwin is in the mood to plead out, nor the Special Prosecutor in the mood to plead it down. The reason I say that is because of the way these charges will be structured.

There's involuntary manslaughter that occurs during a lawful act and involuntary manslaughter during an unlawful act. Here the unlawful act is that misdemeanor in handling the gun. So in effect pleading to that would mostly be the same as pleading to the felony charge, if that makes sense. (I was pretty confused about where the two charges were coming from too.) But there you have it.

The DA also stated that the FBI has evidence that Baldwin did indeed pull the trigger even though Baldwin denies it.

Further, not all of the civil suits have been settled so Baldwin pleading out would affect those and not in his favor.
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TexasRebel said:

aggiehawg said:

Also, no charged related to the shooting of the other assistant director behind Halyna. No assault charges?

I'm guessing since he lived it was his option to pursue assault charges and he declined.
Maybe but don't need the victim's consent for them to press charges.
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Wouldn't the "victim" stating, "those two did not assault me" kind of make it kind of pointless to try?
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TexasRebel said:

Wouldn't the "victim" stating, "those two did not assault me" kind of make it kind of pointless to try?
No. A fact witness cannot give a legal opinion.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2023/01/alec-baldwin-shooting-charged-rust/amp

This article explains why Baldwin and Reed (the armorer) will be charged with two counts of involuntary manslaughter, the penalty for involuntary manslaughter, and why no one will be charged in the non-fatal shooting of Joel Souza. It also mentions a plea deal the assistant director received, where he pled guilty to a misdemeanor charge in exchange for a very short period of probation. The prosecutor will most likely drop the firearm enhancement for Baldwin and Reed if they plead guilty (the firearm enhancement carries a harsher penalty than the manslaughter charges)
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He will 'write' a book and get it all back.
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Whirligigs said:

He will 'write' a book and get it all back.
Only if he is acquitted. Son of Sam laws.
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Does that apply to involuntary manslaughter?
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TexasRebel said:

Does that apply to involuntary manslaughter?
Pretty much yes. He still has crap tons of civil suits that will now be stayed pending the outcome of the criminal case.

Do the math.
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lethalninja said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2023/01/alec-baldwin-shooting-charged-rust/amp

This article explains why Baldwin and Reed (the armorer) will be charged with two counts of involuntary manslaughter, the penalty for involuntary manslaughter, and why no one will be charged in the non-fatal shooting of Joel Souza. It also mentions a plea deal the assistant director received, where he pled guilty to a misdemeanor charge in exchange for a very short period of probation. The prosecutor will most likely drop the firearm enhancement for Baldwin and Reed if they plead guilty (the firearm enhancement carries a harsher penalty than the manslaughter charges)


Baldwin's attorney made it clear he wants the trial. Regardless, Baldwin is going to jail.
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From Law and Crime: "I'm surprised, in particular, at how they threw the book at Alec Baldwin," Abrams told host Michelle Yu. "Because this isn't just an involuntary manslaughter charge. Because, under New Mexico law, typical involuntary manslaughter: up to 18 months in prison. You just have to show negligence. That's what we were expecting. They've offered a potential jury two theories here."

Abrams went on to read from a document that outlines a mandatory, five-year sentence for involuntary manslaughter if jurors find "more than simple negligence" was involved in the homicide.

"These prosecutors, even if they wanted to charge Alec Baldwin with involuntary manslaughter, didn't also have to offer this second option," he added. "Which is to say, an even stiffer potential crime where you're talking about the possibility of a mandatory, five-year prison term."

"This charge includes a firearm enhancement, or added mandatory penalty, because a firearm was involved," the DA's office said. "The firearm enhancement makes the crime punishable by a mandatory five years in jail."
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He might get probation (maybe with county jail time) if he pleads guilty. I know someone who received a sentence like that after pleading guilty to manslaughter (to be fair, it was under completely different circumstances than this case, he was seventeen at the time of the death, and the son and daughter of the victim agreed with his sentence).
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AG81 said:

lethalninja said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2023/01/alec-baldwin-shooting-charged-rust/amp

This article explains why Baldwin and Reed (the armorer) will be charged with two counts of involuntary manslaughter, the penalty for involuntary manslaughter, and why no one will be charged in the non-fatal shooting of Joel Souza. It also mentions a plea deal the assistant director received, where he pled guilty to a misdemeanor charge in exchange for a very short period of probation. The prosecutor will most likely drop the firearm enhancement for Baldwin and Reed if they plead guilty (the firearm enhancement carries a harsher penalty than the manslaughter charges)


Baldwin's attorney made it clear he wants the trial. Regardless, Baldwin is going to jail.

Baldwin will not spend a day in jail that isn't the type of "jail" Martha Stewart went to.
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If he gets probation and county jail instead of prison, he'll be in worse conditions than she was, since county jails have worse conditions than prisons. Involuntary manslaughter is the lowest degree of felony in New Mexico (fourth degree), so it's possible he'll get probation (maybe with county jail time).
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/23/nyregion/alec-baldwin-pleads-guilty-harassment.html

Alec Baldwin's criminal record
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Baldwin's arrogance may have cost him here. He could not help but sit down to police and media interviews and talk about everything. Now he's painted himself into a corner.

He boasted to the investigator about how much he knew about guns, his experience, how to tell the difference between different types of ammunition, etc. He indicated in every way possible that he should have known better.
 
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