Anybody else checking this thread, hoping beyond hope to see that Baldwin was indicted?

GTdad said:

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Anybody else checking this thread, hoping beyond hope to see that Baldwin was indicted?

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It's Santa Fe, lib world. Seriously doubt he gets indicted.

He will be sued in civil court into financial meltdown however.

TexasAggie_02 said:

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Alec Baldwin will do his first interview since he discharged a gun that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza, a source confirms to PEOPLE.

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I don't see how this is a good idea on his part

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Star power alone will keep him out of jail. He's starting a PR campaign to limit the impact to his career and the settlement amount of the inevitable civil trials.

He'll get sued into Bolivian for sure. Criminal charges, that's a stretch I think.

TexasAggie_02 said:

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So the armorer was there when it was loaded. How could you not notice that it had a projectile and not a wad or crimp on it?

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They make dummy revolver ammo that does have at least a projectile face so the "bullet" can be seen from the front of the cylinders that are not in battery. I'm having trouble finding them right now but I'm at work and we've got some firearms restrictions on our web searches.

But they also make solid prop inserts that will fit the same function.

I'm of the opinion that a competent armorer would know these things.

in that case, i would assume that there would be no primer, so she should have checked for that. But from everything that has come out so far, she really didn't know what in the heck she was doing.

aggiehawg said:

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GTdad said:

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Anybody else checking this thread, hoping beyond hope to see that Baldwin was indicted?

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It's Santa Fe, lib world. Seriously doubt he gets indicted.

He will be sued in civil court into financial meltdown however.

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This. Anyone that thinks the investigation will lead to anything other than an "accidental shooting" finding is kidding themselves. The other lawsuits against him will be settled out of court and this will fade away...

Edit: I misread the article.

from the article: PDQ Arm & Prop provided ammunition for the film, for what it's worth.

Whoever sourced the rounds for that scene that day screwed up badly OR perhaps they were mismarked by PDQ.

Someone put the live round in the gun and told the actors they were blanks. I don't know how the actor was supposed to know they weren't dummy blanks.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/rust-affidavit-reveals-new-details-about-source-of-live-ammunition-in-alec-baldwin-s-gun/ar-AARkgf0?ocid=msedgntp

Baldwin is a total sleeze, but I really don't get the excitement and jokes here. Bad form. This is a tragedy.

The ones I saw had non-functional primers or missing primers and a hole drilled in the casing.

Yeah, she didn't have a clue. She was just as qualified to solo a 747 to London as she was to be that set's armorer.

These guys have some good stuff.
Options of spent primer remains, empty primer pocket, rubber insert (for dry firing?), and holes drilled in the casing

https://fakebullets.com/shop/pistol-calibers/45-long-colt/

Towns03 said:

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New article today paints a narrative that's believable and muddies the water.

1) some company called Starline manufactures these movie dummy rounds and blanks - they don't make live rounds

2) the brass are marked to show its a Starline shell

3) some idiot loaded the Starline shell with a live round and brought a case of these live rounds to the range for target practice

4) not all of the live rounds were shot - the balance left the range with PDQ Arm & Prop, a company that provided ammunition for the film, and may have eventually made it to the Rust set

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/rust-affidavit-reveals-new-details-about-source-of-live-ammunition-in-alec-baldwin-s-gun/ar-AARkgf0?ocid=msedgntp

Baldwin is a total sleeze, but I really don't get the excitement and jokes here. Bad form. This is a tragedy.

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I don't think starline makes dummy rounds. I use their brass all the time reloading for my .45ACP and to my knowledge they just supply components.

IMHO the starline logo doesn't mean anything on the brass, it could have just as easily contained a live load as a primerless/powderless dummy round.

Either way Baldwin is (should be) ultimately responsible for checking the gun and knowing what is in it at all times.

Tx-Ag2010 said:

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Towns03 said:

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New article today paints a narrative that's believable and muddies the water.

1) some company called Starline manufactures these movie dummy rounds and blanks - they don't make live rounds

2) the brass are marked to show its a Starline shell

3) some idiot loaded the Starline shell with a live round and brought a case of these live rounds to the range for target practice

4) not all of the live rounds were shot - the balance left the range with PDQ Arm & Prop, a company that provided ammunition for the film, and may have eventually made it to the Rust set

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/rust-affidavit-reveals-new-details-about-source-of-live-ammunition-in-alec-baldwin-s-gun/ar-AARkgf0?ocid=msedgntp

Baldwin is a total sleeze, but I really don't get the excitement and jokes here. Bad form. This is a tragedy.

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I don't think starline makes dummy rounds. I use their brass all the time reloading for my .45ACP and to my knowledge they just supply components.

IMHO the starline logo doesn't mean anything on the brass, it could have just as easily contained a live load as a primerless/powderless dummy round.

Either way Baldwin is (should be) ultimately responsible for checking the gun and knowing what is in it at all times.

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Yes because true dummy rounds have a hole drilling in the brass approximately half way up the side of the brass casing so there's no way of any reloading ever happening. Dummy rounds have one purpose and that's to give detail for optics during a shoot of the presence of a live round without actually having a live round present. Usually there's two applications, being visually seen say in a gunfighters gun belt or banderleo and the leather loop hides the hole in the brass. or if they are shooting a frontal shot looking down the barrel of a revolver and they want the chamber in the cylinder to appear to be loaded, with CGI these days this is not even necessary even firing blanks has been done away with because CGI can add muzzle blast and smoke in post production. But this being a low budget indy CGI isn't in the budget.







This Hannah Gutierrez-Reed possibly not being either aware that there were live and dummy rounds mixed together or accidently loading living round into a revolver just shows her incompetence and the fact she had no business in the rle on the set. Especially after the fact she admits she had trouble loading the weapon because it was dirty and had to physically clean the weapon to get it to function properly really is telling that she obviously wasn't paying attention and is incompetent.

Then there's her desperate attempt to blame COVID when she states to the cops "I wasn't in there, due to COVID protocols, and they weren't even supposed to be pulling the hammer back anyway." That's a weak desperate attempt to deflect blame. Well idiot if you hadn't put live ammo in the pistol it wouldn't have mattered if he pulled back the hammer a hundred times.

Her and her father trying to lay this off on the Gunshop/propshop in Albuquerque is nonsensical. Seth Kenney never set foot on that movie set period end of story.

Everyone is trying to lay off blame on everyone else, when there are only two to blame Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, and Alec Baldwin. and possibly that AD that supposedly took the pistol off the cart and handed it to Baldwin just before he shot and killed the girl.

I just heard on the radio that Baldwin is NOW claiming he didn't even pull the trigger.

pdc093 said:

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I just heard on the radio that Baldwin is NOW claiming he didn't even pull the trigger.

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Wouldn't fire unless hammer was back, on that type of pistol, correct? How was the hammer back?

pdc093 said:

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I just heard on the radio that Baldwin is NOW claiming he didn't even pull the trigger.

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He could have just tried to cock the hammer, right? Then if it didn't lock back it could have fired? Doesn't make him any less culpable just because the trigger wasn't used.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-says-did-not-pull-trigger-rust-shooting

"Alec Baldwin alleged that he did not pull the trigger on the gun that fired resulting in the death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins in a preview for an upcoming televised interview on Thursday night.

It was announced on Wednesday that Baldwin will sit down for his first formal interview about the fatal shooting that took place on the set of the indie-Western film "Rust." In a preview for the tell-all, Baldwin addresses the fact that he was holding a gun that was somehow loaded with a live bullet that should not have been on the set at all, let alone in an actor's hand.

During the preview, which is heavily edited for the purpose of teasing the larger interview that's set to air Thursday evening, an emotional Baldwin states unequivocally that he did not pull the trigger.


Alec Baldwin alleged that he did not pull the trigger on the gun that fired resulting in the death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins in a preview for an upcoming televised interview on Thursday night.
It was announced on Wednesday that Baldwin will sit down for his first formal interview about the fatal shooting that took place on the set of the indie-Western film "Rust." In a preview for the tell-all, Baldwin addresses the fact that he was holding a gun that was somehow loaded with a live bullet that should not have been on the set at all, let alone in an actor's hand.

During the preview, which is heavily edited for the purpose of teasing the larger interview that's set to air Thursday evening, an emotional Baldwin states unequivocally that he did not pull the trigger.

However, the Santa Fe Country Sheriff's department said in a warrant that Baldwin "fired" the gun. Baldwin was holding the gun and rehearsing a scene for the movie when a live round rang out, hitting Hutchins before getting stuck in the shoulder of director Joel Souza.

In the heavily edited preview clip, Baldwin does not seem to deny that he was holding the gun at the time, with the distinction seemingly being that he did not pull the trigger. "

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https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-says-did-not-pull-trigger-rust-shooting

"Alec Baldwin alleged that he did not pull the trigger on the gun that fired resulting in the death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins in a preview for an upcoming televised interview on Thursday night.

It was announced on Wednesday that Baldwin will sit down for his first formal interview about the fatal shooting that took place on the set of the indie-Western film "Rust." In a preview for the tell-all, Baldwin addresses the fact that he was holding a gun that was somehow loaded with a live bullet that should not have been on the set at all, let alone in an actor's hand.

During the preview, which is heavily edited for the purpose of teasing the larger interview that's set to air Thursday evening, an emotional Baldwin states unequivocally that he did not pull the trigger.


Alec Baldwin alleged that he did not pull the trigger on the gun that fired resulting in the death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins in a preview for an upcoming televised interview on Thursday night.
It was announced on Wednesday that Baldwin will sit down for his first formal interview about the fatal shooting that took place on the set of the indie-Western film "Rust." In a preview for the tell-all, Baldwin addresses the fact that he was holding a gun that was somehow loaded with a live bullet that should not have been on the set at all, let alone in an actor's hand.

During the preview, which is heavily edited for the purpose of teasing the larger interview that's set to air Thursday evening, an emotional Baldwin states unequivocally that he did not pull the trigger.

However, the Santa Fe Country Sheriff's department said in a warrant that Baldwin "fired" the gun. Baldwin was holding the gun and rehearsing a scene for the movie when a live round rang out, hitting Hutchins before getting stuck in the shoulder of director Joel Souza.

In the heavily edited preview clip, Baldwin does not seem to deny that he was holding the gun at the time, with the distinction seemingly being that he did not pull the trigger. "

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Wow! It took this long to come up with that ridiculous "narrative." I didn't shoot anyone. The gun did.

pdc093 said:

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I just heard on the radio that Baldwin is NOW claiming he didn't even pull the trigger.

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From https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/01/entertainment/alec-baldwin-interview/index.html

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Alec Baldwin told ABC News he never pulled the trigger of the gun that shot director of photography Halyna Hutchins on the set of "Rust."

"The trigger wasn't pulled. I didn't pull the trigger," Baldwin said in an excerpt released Wednesday from the sit-down interview -- his first since the October shooting.

When asked why he pointed the gun at Halyna Hutchins and pulled the trigger when that wasn't on the script, Baldwin said, "I would never point a gun at anyone and then pull the trigger, never."

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In other words, he's trying to evade responsibility.

Esteban du Plantier said:

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Lol.

"Ok, here's the plan. Just say you didn't pull the trigger, the gun just randomly went off."

"Hey, I like that. And there's gotta be some precedent there, dig up stats on how many guns randomly go off each year."

... Typing....

"Uh, looks like zero. Zero guns fire all by themselves."

"**** it, I'm saying it anyway."

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The bad thing is that there will undoubtedly be some who believe him.

Thanks. Appreciate it.

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pdc093 said:

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I just heard on the radio that Baldwin is NOW claiming he didn't even pull the trigger.

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Wouldn't fire unless hammer was back, on that type of pistol, correct? How was the hammer back?

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Old single action revolver's and most replicas don't have the transfer safety bar like modern single actions do. If the revolver were to be dropped or otherwise impacted, it's possible the firing pin could strike the primer and cause the round to go off without the hammer being cocked. That's why the old timers never kept a round loaded under the hammer. But it does not look like that's what he is claiming.

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This was a modern replica though. It might have had an upgraded firing mechanism.

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pdc093 said:

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I just heard on the radio that Baldwin is NOW claiming he didn't even pull the trigger.

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Wouldn't fire unless hammer was back, on that type of pistol, correct? How was the hammer back?

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Old single action revolver's and most replicas don't have the transfer safety bar like modern single actions do. If the revolver were to be dropped or otherwise impacted, it's possible the firing pin could strike the primer and cause the round to go off without the hammer being cocked. That's why the old timers never kept a round loaded under the hammer. But it does not look like that's what he is claiming.

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This was a modern replica though. It might have had an upgraded firing mechanism.

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Upgraded? Not following.

By upgraded it sounds like he means having had the transfer bar installed which prevents the firing pin from touching the primer, unless the trigger is being pulled. But even high end replicas, such as the ones that are made by Colt, don't have a transfer bar. I'm not saying that this one did not have a transfer bar, just don't know.

techno-ag said:

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pdc093 said:

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I just heard on the radio that Baldwin is NOW claiming he didn't even pull the trigger.

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Wouldn't fire unless hammer was back, on that type of pistol, correct? How was the hammer back?

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Old single action revolver's and most replicas don't have the transfer safety bar like modern single actions do. If the revolver were to be dropped or otherwise impacted, it's possible the firing pin could strike the primer and cause the round to go off without the hammer being cocked. That's why the old timers never kept a round loaded under the hammer. But it does not look like that's what he is claiming.

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This was a modern replica though. It might have had an upgraded firing mechanism.

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Mites on a chicken's ass

I discussed this very scenario and why the old gunfighters never kept on under the hammer exactly as this is explained about 20 pages back when this first happened. I also posted pictures and an exploded view drawing with all the specs of this replica and it is build on the same specs as the originals not upgraded firing mechanisms, that why they are considered replicas,. upgrades make them none replicas and this italian company even goes as far to relic them to make them match a worn torn original weapon. It's what they specialize in.

Baldwin isn't making excuses he's just lying to evade responsibility for killing this girl.

Just pray this idiot makes that same claim under oath and not in some worthless interview and he will be toast

McInnis said:

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By upgraded it sounds like he means having had the transfer bar installed which prevents the firing pin from touching the primer, unless the trigger is being pulled. But even high end replicas, such as the ones that are made by Colt, don't have a transfer bar. I'm not saying that this one did not have a transfer bar, just don't know.

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Got it, thanks. Had been awhile and I was fuzzy on the details on that model of handgun.

Esteban du Plantier said:

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Lol.

"Ok, here's the plan. Just say you didn't pull the trigger, the gun just randomly went off."

"Hey, I like that. And there's gotta be some precedent there, dig up stats on how many guns randomly go off each year."

... Typing....

"Uh, looks like zero. Zero guns fire all by themselves."

"**** it, I'm saying it anyway."

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You laugh at the ridiculousness. But, with his deeply rooted narcissism and arrogance, it's well within the realm of possibility.
Besides, wouldn't an examination of the gun confirm that?

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You laugh at the ridiculousness. But, with his deeply rooted narcissism and arrogance, it's well within the realm of possibility.

Besides, wouldn't an examination of the gun confirm that?

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Armorer took the gun afterwards. Not clear if she cleaned it or not, nor if she was wearing gloves when she handled it afterwards. Prints and DNA could muddied. Speculation on my part because I know she handled it before the police arrived but unclear on how much she "handled" it.

Thank you, 'hawg!

Welcome, Pard'.