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I've been around firearms my whole life and still don't understand how something like this happens. I mean seriously, you had one job.

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Pretty safe bet he's never taken a gun safety class from an NRA-certified instructor.

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Actually the Armorer from the set of Hunting For Red October said three days ago he had NRA safety Course on the set, it was required by the insurance company for all actors that would be firing weapons on set.

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I wondered if that was a requirement under most insurance policies for movie productions? Since this was such a low budget film, it might not have been.

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This is an interesting short video

https://instagr.am/p/CVaU4lpj_7t

The caption is informative

Dennis Quaid fires rifle on set the right way on the set of "The Intruder" So many safety checks and rehearsals with a "cold gun" each and every time . No reason to be sloppy or lazy especially when lives are at risk.

Effects can be added in post or other safe ways. Dennis Quaid , the director and crew put safety first.
Work with pros people and let's hope accidents don't ever happen again like with the most recent incident.

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Is that real footage used in a movie? What about the kickback?

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I've been around firearms my whole life and still don't understand how something like this happens. I mean seriously, you had one job.

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Pretty safe bet he's never taken a gun safety class from an NRA-certified instructor.

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Actually the Armorer from the set of Hunting For Red October said three days ago he had NRA safety Course on the set, it was required by the insurance company for all actors that would be firing weapons on set.

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LOL, I must learn more. It would be so rich for him/his counsel to ever bring up an NRA safety course as part of his defense, in a civil or criminal case. I admit to not following this that closely, but enjoy his demise (not saying I am happy about the death of the woman he killed of course).

Again, if anyone has evidence an NRA course was provided on set which Alec Baldwin attended, as to gun safety, please do post it.

Sorry, I am just laughing too much to look very far. Here's a legalinsurrection analysis which seems on point;

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NM JURY INSTRUCTION 14-231 INVOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER

Another angle from which we can inspect this question of whether Baldwin's conduct qualifies as involuntary manslaughter under New Mexico law is to take a look at the relevant New Mexico jury instruction: 14-231 Involuntary Manslaughter.

While jury instructions are not, technically speaking, authoritative sources of law themselves (those are statutes and court decisions, or case law), jury instructions are a useful amalgamation of the statutory language and how the courts want that language applied to real people in real cases. Because they are instructions intended for a jury of laypeople, and not legal experts, they also tend to be written in plain English.

Indeed, they are often written in a "fill-in-the-blanks" kind of format to make them easy to use consistently from trial to trial, and that's precisely how New Mexico structures its uniform jury instructions.

Here's how jury instruction 14-231 on involuntary manslaughter would be read to the jury if the blanks were filled in with relevant facts from Baldwin's shooting of Ms. Hutchins that content placed within brackets:

For you to find the defendant guilty of involuntary manslaughter, the state must prove to your satisfaction beyond a reasonable doubt each of the following elements of the crime:
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[Alec Baldwin] [pointed a loaded firearm at Ms. Hutchins and depressed the trigger, firing a bullet into her] ;

[Alec Baldwin] should have known of the danger involved by [Alec Baldwin's] actions;

[Alec Baldwin] acted with a willful disregard for the safety of others;

[Alec Baldwin's] act caused the death of [Ms. Hutchins];

This happened in New Mexico on or about the 21st day of October, 2021.

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The "know of the danger" and "willful disregard" portions of the jury instruction correspond to the "due caution and circumspection" language of 30-2-3. The matter of "willful" merely refers to the fact that whether to first inspect the gun to ensure it did not contain a live round was within Baldwin's controlthere was no outside force compelling him to not safety check the firearm before he pointed it at Ms. Hutchins and fired it.

So, again, it seems incontestable, based on the evidence as it appears to be, that Baldwin's conduct meets the legal conditions for the crime of felony involuntary manslaughter.

"HEY, ANDREW, ANY CASE LAW ON THIS?"

But wait, we're not done yet. Having looked at the relevant New Mexico statute and jury instruction on involuntary manslaughter, we ought also to consider whether there's any New Mexico case law (appellate court decisions) that would seem to apply to this question of whether handling a loaded gun in such an unsafe manner that you unintentionally kill someone meets the legal standard for the crime of felony involuntary manslaughter.

And, as it happens, there is indeed New Mexico case law precisely on this point.

That case law is a decision out of the New Mexico Supreme Court itself, State v. Gilliam, 288 P.2d 675 (NM Sup. Ct. 1955). For any of you who may be concerned that Gilliam, a decision handed down in 1955, is "out of date," be not afraidcase law is perfectly valid law until there is a Constitutional, statutory, or later court decision that modifies or reverses the applied legal standard. Valid case law does not simply "expire"and I used my office's professional legal database resource, Lexis, to ensure that Gilliam remains good law in New Mexico.

The decision was an appeal of a criminal conviction at a jury trial, in which the defendant had been found guilty of involuntary manslaughter by the act of unsafely handling a gun with the result that it discharged and killed the victim.

The NM Supreme Court ruled in that decision, in relevant part that:

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It could have made no difference to the trial of a charge of involuntary manslaughter as to who loaded the gun … . All that it is necessary to establish for involuntary manslaughter by the use of a loaded firearm is that a defendant had in his hands a gun which at some time had been loaded and that he handled it … without due caution and circumspection and that death resulted.

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So, it doesn't matter who loaded the gunmeaning, all this talk about whether the live round in the gun came from this source or that source or some other source is largely irrelevant for purposes of determining whether Baldwin's shooting of Ms. Hutchins was involuntary manslaughter under New Mexico law.

All that matters in the context of involuntary manslaughter through unsafe handling of a firearm is that "the defendant had in his hands a gun which at some time had been loaded and that he handled it without due caution and circumspection and that death resulted."

Clearly Baldwin "had in his hands a gun, which at some time had been loaded." And as we've already demonstrated, by so thoroughly violating the well-established, and mandatory, rules of gun safety he also "handled it without due caution and circumspection." And, finally, we all know for certain the tragic outcome of this conduct that Ms.Hutchins' "death resulted."

Again, it's hard to see how Baldwin's fatal shooting of Ms. Hutchins, based on the facts as we believe them to have been established, could fail to qualify as involuntary manslaughter under New Mexico law.
WHAT ABOUT THINGS OTHER PEOPLE MAY HAVE DONE WRONG?

I see a lot of hand-wringing attempting to assign blame for this tragedy to, it seems, everybody other than Baldwin. Frankly, the intensity of these efforts suggests to me that they are part of an orchestrated crisis management initiative put into play on Baldwin's behalfand that's a smart move by Baldwin if, in fact, that's what he's done. It's why such crisis management firms exist.

It is, indeed, possible that other people also bear some responsibility, perhaps even criminal responsibility, for this tragedy. Perhaps safety rules were broken, professional duties were failed, or adequate resources to ensure safety were not provided.

None of that, however, at all diminishes the responsibility, under law, for Baldwin to handle that inherently dangerous instrument, the gun, with due caution and circumspectionand that he failed to do when he pointed the gun at Ms. Hutchins and pressed the trigger, without first personally ensuring that the weapon did not contain a live round.

Whatever mistakes others might have made previously, had Baldwin broken even one less of the fundamental gun safety ruleshad he not pointed the gun at Ms. Hutchins, or had he not pressed the trigger, or had he assumed the gun contained live ammo until he personally determined otherwiseMs. Hutchins would not have died from that bullet on that day. Her fate ultimately rested entirely in the hands of Baldwin. And, it appears, he failed her and failed the law of New Mexico.

BUT HE'S AN ACTOR!

Another bit of handwringing I'm seeing a lot of is the notion that the rules should be different for Baldwin because he's an actor, and actors often point guns at each other in various roles, it's what they do. They're … different.

First, the reality that actors do often point guns at each other in various roles, and that they do it almost invariably without unintentionally shooting someone, is a credit generally to Hollywood's safety practices, and only highlights to an even greater degree why adhering to "due caution and circumspection" are so vital when handling firearms.

When the safety rules are followed, no harm results. When Baldwin willfully violates the safety rules, Ms. Hutchins dies.

The death of Ms. Hutchins is not a "Hollywood problem." Hollywood has a pretty darned good safety record in gun handling. It's an "Alec Baldwin" problem.

From more of a legal perspective, however, there's nothing about being an actor that entitles someone to create an unjustified risk of killing someone, disregarding that risk, and then killing that person. There's no involuntary manslaughter "freebie" for actors. If they kill someone recklessly, they are as guilty of involuntary manslaughter as is the fellow down the street who drunkenly runs over the nun in the crosswalk. There's no special "actor" court.

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Again, his bragging about his 'gun play' expertise only hurts his claim for reliance on the armorer, and doesn't absolve him of the duties per above statutes/case law in NM. He was not required to point the gun at the deceased off camera (or any person). Also, he was a producer, of course.

He should absolutely be criminally liable, imho.

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This is an interesting short video

https://instagr.am/p/CVaU4lpj_7t

The caption is informative

Dennis Quaid fires rifle on set the right way on the set of "The Intruder" So many safety checks and rehearsals with a "cold gun" each and every time . No reason to be sloppy or lazy especially when lives are at risk.

Effects can be added in post or other safe ways. Dennis Quaid , the director and crew put safety first.
Work with pros people and let's hope accidents don't ever happen again like with the most recent incident.

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Interesting behind-the-scenes footage. Yeah especially in today's age of effects, it's not hard to put things in post-production.

On a side-note, Dennis Quaid is starring in a film about Ronald Reagan (as Reagan) that's supposed to come out next year.

But in case anyone has any questions, yes, it's a safe bet the Santa Fe DA is a far left partisan, (as in, very far left) and unlikely to charge Baldwin;

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Mary Carmack-Altwies has spent her professional career working to address issues of safety and justice. As a lawyer with expertise in criminal law, Mary has seen both sides of the courtroom, working in the trenches as a public defender in the Santa Fe District Attorney's office, running her own practice, and as a Deputy District Attorney in the First Judicial District.

A graduate of University of New Mexico School of Law, Mary lives in Santa Fe with her wife Jo, a retired law enforcement officer, and their two energetic young children. Community is important to Mary. She has served as President of her local PTA, has taught at UNM Law School, volunteered with Big Brothers Big Sisters, and served as a legal advocate for survivors of sexual assault.

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But in case anyone has any questions, yes, it's a safe bet the Santa Fe DA is a far left partisan, (as in, very far left) and unlikely to charge Baldwin;

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Mary Carmack-Altwies has spent her professional career working to address issues of safety and justice. As a lawyer with expertise in criminal law, Mary has seen both sides of the courtroom, working in the trenches as a public defender in the Santa Fe District Attorney's office, running her own practice, and as a Deputy District Attorney in the First Judicial District.

A graduate of University of New Mexico School of Law, Mary lives in Santa Fe with her wife Jo, a retired law enforcement officer, and their two energetic young children. Community is important to Mary. She has served as President of her local PTA, has taught at UNM Law School, volunteered with Big Brothers Big Sisters, and served as a legal advocate for survivors of sexual assault.

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Based on what? Her being a Lesbian? That's a bit shallow in assumption

There are plenty of Lesbians that are not far left or even left leaning.

Did you look at the other link?

Also, fair enough about 'lesbians' in general, but I don't think I'm way over my skis in saying the Democrat DA in Santa Fe NM (who won a reelection primary challenge last time) and is good with letting drug offenders go basically free is...probably a left wing partisan. Santa Fe is about as politically left as a body politik as Austin is, here.

Happy to be wrong though!

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And while it's funny to read (some) legal experts on here opining about how this is not his fault, he was told it was 'cold' etc., we all know the outrage that would be on every air wave if, say, Donald Trump Jr. did something like this to kill a woman.

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As an actor, the question is was it reasonable for him to rely on the AD telling him it was a cold gun?

As a producer physically present with all of the problems with the crew, was it reasonable?

Were he not also a producer, he could skate, in my view, despite the law in New Mexico. But adding the layer of him being a producer, it complicates every analysis.

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Legally... I don't know. In a world of right and wrong I think he's responsible for not checking the weapon personally.

In a much as we're going to load a type of ammunition into a gun I'd insist on inspecting every round personally. It's a loaded gun. It's not, see it's empty. Yes I see it's empty. It's a loaded gun, but loaded with what!

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I wonder who all would have a duty to inspect the firearm to make sure it is safe to use.

The armorer for one. The actor for another. And it has been said that the Assistant Director had a duty as well. Why not all three face serious legal consequences?

Would there be anyone else as well? How about whoever brought the live ammo to the site?

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This appears to be the key.
They might establish that the three key roles acted reasonably on the assumption a loaded cartridge was nowhere near the Location. That leaves the question, "Where in the **** did a live loaded round come from?!"

With the ammo left out (?!) anyone could have snuck a few lethal cartridges in the mix. It also sounds like there was some animosity on Location before the crew walked.

Posted this before on this thread but a reminder.

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SAFETY TIPS FOR USE OF FIREARMS

• Use simulated or dummy weapons whenever possible.
• Treat all guns as if they are loaded and deadly.
• Unless you are actually performing or rehearsing, the property master must secure all firearms.
• The property master or armorer should carefully train you in the safe use of any firearm you must handle. Be honest if you have no knowledge about guns. Do not overstate your qualifications.
• Follow all instructions given by the qualified instructor.
• Never engage in horseplay with any firearms or other weapons. Do not let others handle the gun for any reason.
• All loading of firearms must be done by the property master, armorer or experienced persons working under their direct supervision.
• Never point a firearm at anyone including yourself. Always cheat the shot by aiming to the right or left of the target character. If asked to point and shoot directly at a living target, consult with the property master or armorer for the prescribed safety procedures.
• If you are the intended target of a gunshot, make sure that the person firing at you has followed all these safety procedures.
• If you are required to wear exploding blood squibs, make sure there is a bulletproof vest or other solid protection between you and the blast packet.
• Use protective shields for all off stage cast within close proximity to any shots fired.
• Appropriate ear protection should be offered to the cast members and stage managers.
• Check the firearm every time you take possession of it. Before each use, make sure the gun has been test-fired off stage and then ask to test fire it yourself. Watch the prop master check the cylinders and barrel to be sure no foreign object or dummy bullet has become lodged inside.
• Blanks are extremely dangerous. Even though they do not fire bullets out of the gun barrel, they still have a powerful blast than can maim or kill.
• Never attempt to adjust, modify or repair a firearm yourself. If a weapon jams or malfunctions, corrections shall be made only by a qualified person.
• When a scene is completed, the property master shall unload the firearms. All weapons must be cleaned, checked and inventoried after each performance.
• Live ammunition may not be brought into the theatre.
• If you are in a production where shots are to be fired and there is no qualified property master, go to the nearest phone and call Actors' Equity Association. A union representative will make sure proper procedures are followed.
• State and federal safety laws must be honored at all times.
• If any of the above safety tips conflict with the instructions given by a qualified instructor, abide by the instructions from the qualified instructor. If you are still not sure, contact your Equity Business Representative.

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Assistant Director is to check with the armorer or prop master to insure the weapon is clear when it is being brought onto the set. Problem here was that due to cost considerations, the armorer and prop master were the same person. So instead of two people inspecting the firearm before it was brought onto the set, there was only one. And she apparently wasn't there when the AD took the gun from the cart placed outside of the building.

Then the AD didn't do a full check. Then Baldwin didn't perform his check either. So what should have been four people inspecting the weapon, there ultimately was only one.

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But in case anyone has any questions, yes, it's a safe bet the Santa Fe DA is a far left partisan, (as in, very far left) and unlikely to charge Baldwin;

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Mary Carmack-Altwies has spent her professional career working to address issues of safety and justice. As a lawyer with expertise in criminal law, Mary has seen both sides of the courtroom, working in the trenches as a public defender in the Santa Fe District Attorney's office, running her own practice, and as a Deputy District Attorney in the First Judicial District.

A graduate of University of New Mexico School of Law, Mary lives in Santa Fe with her wife Jo, a retired law enforcement officer, and their two energetic young children. Community is important to Mary. She has served as President of her local PTA, has taught at UNM Law School, volunteered with Big Brothers Big Sisters, and served as a legal advocate for survivors of sexual assault.

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Based on what? Her being a Lesbian? That's a bit shallow in assumption

There are plenty of Lesbians that are not far left or even left leaning.

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Doubtful. Highly doubtful.

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But in case anyone has any questions, yes, it's a safe bet the Santa Fe DA is a far left partisan, (as in, very far left) and unlikely to charge Baldwin;

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Mary Carmack-Altwies has spent her professional career working to address issues of safety and justice. As a lawyer with expertise in criminal law, Mary has seen both sides of the courtroom, working in the trenches as a public defender in the Santa Fe District Attorney's office, running her own practice, and as a Deputy District Attorney in the First Judicial District.

A graduate of University of New Mexico School of Law, Mary lives in Santa Fe with her wife Jo, a retired law enforcement officer, and their two energetic young children. Community is important to Mary. She has served as President of her local PTA, has taught at UNM Law School, volunteered with Big Brothers Big Sisters, and served as a legal advocate for survivors of sexual assault.

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Based on what? Her being a Lesbian? That's a bit shallow in assumption

There are plenty of Lesbians that are not far left or even left leaning.

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Doubtful. Highly doubtful.

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Native of Santa Fe, Democrat, Lesbian, yep she's a liberal. There's a pretty large gay community in Santa Fe as well. Lots of artist types. A real artsy-fartsy kind of town. Fun place to visit but would never want to live there.

I thought that you did, back in your younger days?

My firm opened an office in Santa Fe in the 80s. Incredible place - it was featured in Architectural Digest. I turned down the opportunity to move there because it was just too artsy fartsy, almost evil. The bars in the restaurants would be full by known with all of the trust fund babies drowning their terrible travails.

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How about whoever brought the live ammo to the site?

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This appears to be the key.
They might establish that the three key roles acted reasonably on the assumption a loaded cartridge was nowhere near the Location. That leaves the question, "Where in the **** did a live loaded round come from?!"

With the ammo left out (?!) anyone could have snuck a few lethal cartridges in the mix. It also sounds like there was some animosity on Location before the crew walked.

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Were reports folks took "prop" weapons elsewhere on the ranch property and went shooting. That's where the live ammo was. With that little security on the weapons of care for them, pretty easy to figure how the munitions were being handled.

Has that been debunked?

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I thought that you did, back in your younger days?

My firm opened an office in Santa Fe in the 80s. Incredible place - it was featured in Architectural Digest. I turned down the opportunity to move there because it was just too artsy fartsy, almost evil. The bars in the restaurants would be full by known with all of the trust fund babies drowning their terrible travails.

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Lived in New Mexico for most of the 80s.Was on a vacay with my folks in the 70s and we stayed in Albuquerque for a few nights and I fell in love with it. So when I got the chance to intern at a firm in ABQ while in law school, I jumped at the chance. Got offered a permanent job before I graduated.

Last I read, the armourer claims to have locked up the firearms used as props, but ammo was left laying about.

Nothing debunking the plinking, but that pushes it toward some of the new crew using their own stuff.

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This appears to be the key.
They might establish that the three key roles acted reasonably on the assumption a loaded cartridge was nowhere near the Location. That leaves the question, "Where in the **** did a live loaded round come from?!"

With the ammo left out (?!) anyone could have snuck a few lethal cartridges in the mix. It also sounds like there was some animosity on Location before the crew walked.

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Were reports folks took "prop" weapons elsewhere on the ranch property and went shooting. That's where the live ammo was. With that little security on the weapons of care for them, pretty easy to figure how the munitions were being handled.

Has that been debunked?

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The Sheriff yesterday said that he could not comment on how live ammo was brought on site as that was still under investigation and awaiting confirmation from FBI Crime Lab in Quantico. So he refused to discuss that issue further.

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"When you're using period guns from the Western era of the U.S., they don't require any modification at all to fire a blank," weapons armorer Bryan W. Carpenter told Fox News. "The guns from the 1800s are all mechanically operated. Meaning you have to do something each time to make the cylinder rotate and the gun fire. In the case of Alec Baldwin's gun that he used on this set… you would have to physically cock the hammer back with your thumb each time you wanted it to fire and then pull the trigger. Then cock the hammer back and then pull the trigger each time. It's done manually."

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Carpenter is the founder and president of New Orleans-based Dark Thirty Film Services, LLC, which has been involved with several high-profile projects over the years, including "The Expendables," "Bad Country," "NCIS: New Orleans," "Queen of the South" and "22 Jump Street," among others. Carpenter shared he has worked with the weapon in question, as well as others from the time period, extensively.

"Imagine Wyatt Earp, Billy the Kid, Pat Garrett and all those characters from back in the Old West and the guns they would've carried," he explained. "This type of gun, they're commonly referred to a Peacemaker. Back in the 1800s, Colt Firearm Company was one of the first to make the gun and the name was the Colt Peacemaker. They are a simple, six-shot, mechanically operated weapon. The mechanics of it is called a single action, which means you have to manually cock the hammer each time you want to fire the gun."

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"If you have a cart that's open, someone from the props department and/or the armorer has to do what we call a fire watch," he said. "Their responsibility is to watch those guns. If the armorer has to step out to use the restroom, for example, their job is to lock up the cart, get the prop master or a responsible party to stand right with those weapons and watch them. No one is allowed to touch them for any reason."

"And I cannot stress enough the importance of safety checks," he continued. "There should never be a thought that there's a live round in there. When you're checking for blank rounds, you're always looking for the possibility of anything else being there. You lock the weapons in the safe when they're not in use and they must stay there. Those guns cannot be used for anything else. Everything is separated. Every time that lock is open, you check and check again. And at a minimum, two people should be present to verify that the weapon is in the condition that you say it is."

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When the crew broke for lunch, the guns used for filming were locked in a safe inside a large white truck where props were kept, she said. The ammunition, however, was left unsecured on a cart. There was additional ammo inside the prop truck. After lunch, the film's prop master, Sarah Zachry, removed the guns from the safe and handed them to Reed, she told investigators.

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"[Halls] should have never handed the weapon off in the first place," said Carpenter. "I'm sure it was done out of speed. I'm sure they were, 'Hey, we're ready to start. Let's do this rehearsal.' But where was the armorer? Why didn't she hand it off? Why did he pick it up and hand it off instead? And then, he admitted to not checking them thoroughly. I'm in awe. Those are all negligent acts right there."

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First and foremost, Bondit Media Capital did not have any equity stake in Rust, despite being named a co-financier. We've learned that the production finance lender, whose feature credits include the upcoming Bruce Willis-John Travolta re-team Paradise City, loaned money to production against distribution collateral. Bondit did not respond for comment on this story.

Rust was not bonded. Two of the three U.S. completion bond firms were approached about bonding the project, according to sources, but it didn't happen. In one of the two cases, a potential financier made inquiries with one and stepped back from the film when the company declined to issue a bond.

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Bondit generally does not require completion bonds to lend and has been active in getting productions up and running during Covid.

Bonds are like super-insurance, with the bond company on the hook for costs if a film isn't delivered in time and on budget. Productions also have traditional insurance, in Rust's case said to be from Chubb, which declined to comment.

Insurers (as well as banks and other financiers) generally prefer productions have completion bonds but will also insure without. Bonds have fees attached and with astronomically high Covid costs pounding independent producers they are increasingly tending to forego them.

Sources close to production have informed us that DelPiano, Souza and Baldwin's manager, doesn't have an equity stake in Rust, ditto for his client Baldwin. Baldwin produced through his El Dorado Pictures banner while DelPiano has a production credit under his company Cavalry Media.

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Production sources tell Deadline while Rust is a $7 million production, monies raised through a North American distribution rights sale to The Avenue as well as foreign presales from Highland Group have amounted to $3 million.

Sources say neither Highland nor The Avenue have equity stakes in Rust; frequently, distribution and ancillary rights are licensed for a period of time by distributor. In this situation, while Highland and Avenue didn't send money directly to Rust LLC, the production was able to turn to BondIt, who lent money to the production at slightly less than the presales accrued.

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Cheney and Salveson also served as EPs, and Ryan Donnell Smith, Klingher, Winterstern, and Nigam as producers on the Baldwin indie production Supercell.

Salveson and Smith both served as co-EPs on the Oscar-nominated Netflix film The Trial of the Chicago 7 and have co-financed a number of other titles reportedly through the Section 181 tax code, which allows wealthy investors to deduct their investment in a feature project up to $15 million.

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With New Mexico tax credits between 25%-35%, Variety has reported that under Salveson's model, investors can recoup their investment before a movie is distributed. Salveson, in a March 24 interview with Film Daily earlier this year, says that the m.o. of Streamline Global is that "Film finance should be just as fair, transparent, and reasonable as finance is in any other industry." She also boasts in the Film Daily interview that she has a multi-picture development deal with Chicago 7 co-financier Cross Creek. A rep for Cross Creek told Deadline that Streamline Global doesn't have a multi-pic deal, but rather served as an investor with no producing authority. Deadline reached out to Salveson for clarification on her business affairs with Cross Creek and received no response at the time of this report.

"By making film investment sensible and unemotional, Streamline Global naturally dissuades ego-based investors from spreading their toxicity in our industry," added Salveson to Film Daily. Salveson is the granddaughter of Dr. Melvin Salveson, founder in the mid-1960s of the Electronics Currency Corporation, which was responsible for creating the system that facilitated the operation of MasterCard and Visa.

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All of this begs the question: Who owns and operates Rust Movie Productions LLC? Sources inform us it's Cheney and Donnell Smith, both being Salveson's Streamline Global business partners, who also operate the production company Thomasville Pictures, one of the production companies on Rust as indicated in previous casting announcements for the film on Deadline. Thomasville were also partners on Baldwin's previous feature project Supercell, which has not yet been released.

According to the LLC business filings in New Mexico for Rust LLC, and Thomasville in Georgia, both companies share the same exact business address of 502 S. Broad Street, Thomasville, GA, a Neoclassical Revival house built in 1907 known as The Elijah Leon Neel House.

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In addition, sources who prefer to remain anonymous tell us that Donnell Smith was the day-to-day producer on Rust, who hired 3rd Shift Media, a production services company based in Atlanta. There are two Ryan Smiths associated with the Rust production: producer Ryan Donnell Smith and Ryan Dennett Smith who owns 3rd Shift Media.

Production sources also tell Deadline that 3rd Shift Media was involved in hiring Halls and armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed. 3rd Shift Media employees also provided services on the production, including Gabrielle Pickle, Rust's line producer, and UPM Row Walters. Several calls, texts and emails by Deadline to 3rd Shift Media, Pickle, and Walters were not returned. However, we do know that Pickle served as the line producer on Supercell, while Walters served as production coordinator.

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As The Rust production performs its own internal investigation into what went wrong on the day of the fatal shooting, tapping high-profile law firm Jenner & Block to interview cast and crew, and as the Santa Fe Sheriff's Department and OSHA's New Mexico's Occupational Health and Safety Bureau;s inquiries continue, reports have speculated that the production, which remains closed down for an undetermined amount of time, stand to lose millions; TMZ is reporting that the film's insurance policy covers a maximum of $6 million for injury and death.

What to do? In such instances, perhaps it's best to heed the advice of Salveson's great grand uncle, whose wisdom she shares in her Film Daily Q&A: "My great-grand uncle Gerald Loeb told my dad, 'Don't fall in love with your investments,' and he passed the same wisdom along to me. I find that when I look at my investments objectively and without emotion, I make better decisions that lead to higher profit and overall success."

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Yikes! What a mess!

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What a trainwreck

Hannah Gutierrez Reed breaks her silence:

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Hannah Gutierrez Reed spoke out to deny certain rumors about the on-set shooting involving Alec Baldwin that left cinematographer Halyna Hutchins dead.

Gutierrez Reed, the armorer on the set of "Rust" who was responsible for the safety and handling of firearms on the set, is a main focus of the investigation into the death of Hutchins, according to Santa Fe County Sheriff Adan Mendoza. She was one of the very few people who handled the gun prior to Baldwin discharging it on set last Thursday.

However, in a statement made through her attorneys, New Mexico-based lawyers Jason Bowles and Robert Gorence, Gutierrez Reed blamed rushed conditions on the low-budget set for the tragic mishap. She also disputed rumors that the crew used live ammunition for target practice and denied responsibility for two discharges that happened previously, according to Deadline.

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Denied responsibility? Let's see how she dodges this one?

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The attorneys went on to state that the armorer herself has never had an accidental discharge of a firearm on set. However, they admitted that two took place on "Rust" that were not her fault.

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Not her fault? She's the one who is supposed to do the training, right?

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"The first one on this set was the prop master and the second one was a stunt man after Hannah informed him his gun was hot with blanks," they said.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa! The prop master, the Sarah lady? She had an unintended discharge? And she wasn't fired immediately? Did that make it into the daily production report?

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As for the shooting that resulted in the death of Hutchins and left director Joel Souza wounded, Mendoza said during a press conference Wednesday that a live round was recovered from the director's shoulder. In addition to that bullet, investigators found 500 rounds of ammunition, including a mix of blanks, dummy rounds and what appeared to be live rounds.

In an affidavit, Gutierrez Reed previously told investigators that there should be no live ammo on the set at all. However, given the evidence found at this time, including live ammunition, Mendoza said this week that he believes that to be "not an accurate statement."

In their statement, her attorneys seemingly shifted the blame away from the set's armorer to a larger conversation about the resources she was given by producers to ensure the set was safe and up to protocol standards.

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"Hannah was hired on two positions on this film, which made it extremely difficult to focus on her job as an armorer," Bowles and Gorence stated. They did not reveal what other position she was hired for on "Rust."

The statement added: "She fought for training, days to maintain weapons and proper time to prepare for gunfire but ultimately was overruled by production and her department."

They noted that a lack of safety meetings was just one of the many factors that led to the set being somewhat unsafe. Indeed, the morning of the shooting, Souza previously told investigators that they were dealing with the fallout after camera crew members walked off the set amid discord over working conditions, including safety procedures. A new crew was hired that morning.

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"Hannah and the prop master gained control over the guns and she never witnessed anyone shoot live rounds with these guns nor would she permit that," the statement reads. "They were locked up every night and at lunch and there's no way a single one of them was unaccounted for or being shot by crew members."

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The same prop master who had an unintended discharge? Says she never witnessed those guns being used for target practice, not that there was no target shooting that happened.

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Well I said from the beginning that the claim that the crew was "plinking" with a 45 Long Colt was BS from the beginning. That's a lot of gun to be "plinking" with for one and them having their own ammo sounded like garbage too.

The person who did have live ammo o the movie set is culpable, but I'm betting it was Hannah Gutierrez-Reed that had it on location. The SFPD found it in a fanny pack and that's a fact. I'm betting it was her.

This Sarah Zachary is just as inexperienced as Hannah Gutierrez-Reed. She's evidently had her own issues in the past as well. But fact is HGR has had people killed on 50% of her jobs that's not a good start. Reed is credited as the "Lead Armorer" on her very first job. That's utterly amazing, and here she is as Lead Armorer on her second job and we have a dead body

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Well I said from the beginning that the claim that the crew was "plinking" with a 45 Long Colt was BS from the beginning. That's a lot of gun to be "plinking" with for one and them having their own ammo sounded like garbage too.

The person who did have live ammo o the movie set is culpable, but I'm betting it was Hannah Gutierrez-Reed that had it on location. The SFPD found it in a fanny pack and that's a fact. I'm betting it was her.

This Sarah Zachary is just as inexperienced as Hannah Gutierrez-Reed. She's evidently had her own issues in the past as well. But fact is HGR has had people killed on 50% of her jobs that's not a good start. Reed is credited as the "Lead Armorer" on her very first job. That's utterly amazing, and here she is as Lead Armorer on her second job and we have a dead body

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The other complicating factor is that the film crew walked off set and were replaced by locals, scabs, non union members. So I wouldn't be surprised if those locals had their own weapons with live ammo in their vehicles.

Isn't it more than odd the crew that walked off was replaced that same day; within a few hours even?

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Isn't it more than odd the crew that walked off was replaced that same day; within a few hours even?

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Not really, New Mexico has a big indy film conglomerate around Sante Fe and Albuquerque. Most of them are non-union non-SAG working on the cheap trying to make it big. Two phone calls and they were likely replaced.

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How about whoever brought the live ammo to the site?

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This appears to be the key.
They might establish that the three key roles acted reasonably on the assumption a loaded cartridge was nowhere near the Location. That leaves the question, "Where in the **** did a live loaded round come from?!"

With the ammo left out (?!) anyone could have snuck a few lethal cartridges in the mix. It also sounds like there was some animosity on Location before the crew walked.

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Were reports folks took "prop" weapons elsewhere on the ranch property and went shooting. That's where the live ammo was. With that little security on the weapons of care for them, pretty easy to figure how the munitions were being handled.

Has that been debunked?

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Can we stop calling the gun a prop? It is a real gun

I think it has been verified that the weapon in question was used for recreational live firing that morning elsewhere on the ranch

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How about whoever brought the live ammo to the site?

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This appears to be the key.
They might establish that the three key roles acted reasonably on the assumption a loaded cartridge was nowhere near the Location. That leaves the question, "Where in the **** did a live loaded round come from?!"

With the ammo left out (?!) anyone could have snuck a few lethal cartridges in the mix. It also sounds like there was some animosity on Location before the crew walked.

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Were reports folks took "prop" weapons elsewhere on the ranch property and went shooting. That's where the live ammo was. With that little security on the weapons of care for them, pretty easy to figure how the munitions were being handled.

Has that been debunked?

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Can we stop calling the gun a prop? It is a real gun

I think it has been verified that the weapon in question was used for recreational live firing that morning elsewhere on the ranch

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Actually this is disputed by multiple persons, including one of the persons that was shot.

But no doubt, that was a full fledged Single Action Firearm in 45 Long Colt.

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Well I said from the beginning that the claim that the crew was "plinking" with a 45 Long Colt was BS from the beginning. That's a lot of gun to be "plinking" with for one and them having their own ammo sounded like garbage too.

The person who did have live ammo o the movie set is culpable, but I'm betting it was Hannah Gutierrez-Reed that had it on location. The SFPD found it in a fanny pack and that's a fact. I'm betting it was her.

This Sarah Zachary is just as inexperienced as Hannah Gutierrez-Reed. She's evidently had her own issues in the past as well. But fact is HGR has had people killed on 50% of her jobs that's not a good start. Reed is credited as the "Lead Armorer" on her very first job. That's utterly amazing, and here she is as Lead Armorer on her second job and we have a dead body

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The other complicating factor is that the film crew walked off set and were replaced by locals, scabs, non union members. So I wouldn't be surprised if those locals had their own weapons with live ammo in their vehicles.

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Sheriff Mendoza isn't buying it

I'm betting that fanny pack turns out to be Hers

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In an affidavit, Gutierrez Reed previously told investigators that there should be no live ammo on the set at all. However, given the evidence found at this time, including live ammunition, Mendoza said this week that he believes that to be "not an accurate statement."

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A "prop firearm" doesn't imply that it isn't real. It means the firearm is being used as a prop in a production.

Prop doesn't mean fake or non-operable. It was bugging me too, so I looked it up

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A prop, formally known as property, is an object used on stage or screen by actors during a performance or screen production. In practical terms, a prop is considered to be anything movable or portable on a stage or a set, distinct from the actors, scenery, costumes, and electrical equipment. Wikipedia

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Well I said from the beginning that the claim that the crew was "plinking" with a 45 Long Colt was BS from the beginning. That's a lot of gun to be "plinking" with for one and them having their own ammo sounded like garbage too.

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I don't know what's so difficult to believe about this. In a couple weeks, I myself will be shooting 45 Long Colt out in the the woods in East Texas using ammo I bought at Academy a few weeks ago.

Yes it's a lot of gun to be "plinking" with, but it does happen.

That may not have happened in this case, but it's certainly not unbelievable.

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Well I said from the beginning that the claim that the crew was "plinking" with a 45 Long Colt was BS from the beginning. That's a lot of gun to be "plinking" with for one and them having their own ammo sounded like garbage too.

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I don't know what's so difficult to believe about this. In a couple weeks, I myself will be shooting 45 Long Colt out in the the woods in East Texas using ammo I bought at Academy a few weeks ago.

Yes it's a lot of gun to be "plinking" with, but it does happen.

That may not have happened in this case, but it's certainly not unbelievable.

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I'm pretty active weapons person, Know thousands of weapons activists. I can count on two hands with with a couple fingers left of those that fire 45LC. Not saying it never happens, but these are film people. not Texas born and raised hunters. Just saying I questioned it from the beginning, it sounded like a cover story. Youngsters these days want to shoot a Glock or a SIg or some semi 9mm and 40S&W are the most popular rounds sold hands down.

Now three people have disputed that original claim. Even the Sheriff doubts the story about target practice or plinking. All Sheriff Mendoza is certain of is there was live 45LC ball rounds on location and there is one dead girl and Baldwin shot her dead on the set. She was a thru n thru and the slug wound up in the DIrector's left shoulder.

I own one 45LC because it was a gift and I rarely shoot it. It's a piece of art to look at, and it's not a pistol, it's a Uberti 1873 John Wayne Commemorative Big Ring lever action. It's nothing crazy but it's purdy. But you have to admit, not a ton of ordinary folks shoot 45LC pistols. Western re-enactors, and quick draw people swear by them. Got a buddy that has a Thompson contender that shoots competitive metallic silhouette with it.


My bet is Gutierrez-Reed brought those rounds on set, and lied about it initially, and Mendoza hinted at that with his statement. About her original clam.

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In an affidavit, Gutierrez Reed previously told investigators that there should be no live ammo on the set at all. However, given the evidence found at this time, including live ammunition, Mendoza said this week that he believes that to be "not an accurate statement."

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Her dad is Thell Reed a shooting expert who just happens to be an avid 45LC person too. He's a legendary Trick Shot artist as well as a Hollywood Armorer, not unlike Jerry Miculek and Bob Munden. When this all plays out I'm betting she's the one that brought the ammo on the set.

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Well I said from the beginning that the claim that the crew was "plinking" with a 45 Long Colt was BS from the beginning. That's a lot of gun to be "plinking" with for one and them having their own ammo sounded like garbage too.

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I don't know what's so difficult to believe about this. In a couple weeks, I myself will be shooting 45 Long Colt out in the the woods in East Texas using ammo I bought at Academy a few weeks ago.

Yes it's a lot of gun to be "plinking" with, but it does happen.

That may not have happened in this case, but it's certainly not unbelievable.

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I'm pretty active weapons person, Know thousands of weapons activists. I can count on two hands with with a couple fingers left of those that fire 45LC. Not saying it never happens, but these are film people. not Texas born and raised hunters. Just saying I questioned it from the beginning, it sounded like a cover story. Youngsters these days want to shoot a Glock or a SIg or some semi 9mm and 40S&W are the most popular rounds sold hands down.

Now three people have disputed that original claim. Even the Sheriff doubts the story about target practice or plinking. All Sheriff Mendoza is certain of is there was live 45LC ball rounds on location and there is one dead girl and Baldwin shot her dead on the set. She was a thru n thru and the slug wound up in the DIrector's left shoulder.

I own one 45LC because it was a gift and I rarely shoot it. It's a piece of art to look at, and it's not a pistol, it's a Uberti 1873 John Wayne Commemorative Big Ring lever action. It's nothing crazy but it's purdy. But you have to admit, not a ton of ordinary folks shoot 45LC pistols. Western re-enactors, and quick draw people swear by them. Got a buddy that has a Thompson contender that shoots competitive metallic silhouette with it.


My bet is Gutierrez-Reed brought those rounds on set, and lied about it initially, and Mendoza hinted at that with his statement. About her original clam.

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In an affidavit, Gutierrez Reed previously told investigators that there should be no live ammo on the set at all. However, given the evidence found at this time, including live ammunition, Mendoza said this week that he believes that to be "not an accurate statement."

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Her dad is Thell Reed a shooting expert who just happens to be an avid 45LC person too. He's a legendary Trick Shot artist as well as a Hollywood Armorer, not unlike Jerry Miculek and Bob Munden. When this all plays out I'm betting she's the one that brought the ammo on the set.

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Well, you know at least 2 people just on this thread that shoot .45LC...

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Her dad is Thell Reed a shooting expert who just happens to be an avid 45LC person too. He's a legendary Trick Shot artist as well as a Hollywood Armorer, not unlike Jerry Miculek and Bob Munden. When this all plays out I'm betting she's the one that brought the ammo on the set.

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Not the set per se but to the location where various shoots (filming scenes) were taking place is more precise.

There is also a seeming contradiction between the AD Halls saying he saw three rounds in the gun (presumably before the lunch break. And post lunch break he took it to himself to pick up the gun and announce it was a cold gun.

Since when is a "cold gun" loaded with anything?