Political fallout and arguments regarding the US-Israeli action against Iran 022824

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flown-the-coop said:

It's folks trolling with the same poor talking points and takes every single day about how this is BiBis war, Charlie Kirk warned us

Their source… I have no idea.

My source. Lots of knowledge, sources and a fair amount of common senses.

Many here question the sources. We provide them. Then people claim it's AI or out of context. I post full episode. Then they get mad bc Kirk is dead, and we must assume he would have changed his mind.

There is lots of the exact same skepticism from living Tucker, Walsh, Meg Kelly and others. But MAGA has gone full Lindsey Graham, and thrown them all under the bus.

Then it ends with "people who disagree with me are trolls, and Im super smart with lots of common sense."

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hph6203 said:

We entered the war because we wanted to do it, but timing was in question. We entered now because Israel was going to bomb Iran and earlier is better than later.

FIFY.

Yes Israel dragged us in
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Keyno said:

hph6203 said:

We entered the war because we wanted to do it, but timing was in question. We entered now because Israel was going to bomb Iran and earlier is better than later.

FIFY.

Yes Israel dragged us in
No. ADD generation that can't see past their immediate circumstances believe that.
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hph6203 said:

Keyno said:

hph6203 said:

We entered the war because we wanted to do it, but timing was in question. We entered now because Israel was going to bomb Iran and earlier is better than later.

FIFY.

Yes Israel dragged us in

No. ADD generation that can't see past their immediate circumstances believe that.

Uh, no its not "generation blame" time. It's Israel blame time.
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Pooh-ah95_ESL said:

The fundamentalist leaders of the Islamic Republic literally believe they have to usher in end of times and are working hard to create the tools to make that happen. To me that seems like a pretty big difference.

Trump already saved us from Iran nuclear Holocaust once. The way I like it, tearing up Obamas deal. Now he's doing it the way yall like it, spending 100s of billions in a foreign regime change war:



Oh, regarding North Korea being "different". Before saving us from Iran part 1, he saved us from a nuclear Holocaust from North Korea:



I would think Kim Jung having the warheads, ICBM tech, and bragging about a button on his desk, would be an imminent threat. Trump solved that without adding giant regime change debt to our balance sheet. But in case you want to maintain N Korea is different, and not a threat, there's this:



So for the record, Trump has already saved us from Nuclear Holocaust 3 times, this is the 4th.

1) Bromancing Rocket Man
2) Tearing up Obama's Iran deal
3) Midnight Hammer
4) Iran regime change war or Hammer 2.0
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Agsrback12 said:

This is not about Israel. It is about putting American interest first under the guise that this is for Israel. Yes, Israel wants this, but if Trump pulls off what it now appears he will, we are about to crush oil prices and have NATO poney up to keep their part of the take (Hormuz Straight) open. We about to have an island.


What is Trump going to pull off? Removing Iran's nuclear weapon capabilities? Full on regime change? All of the above? Something else?
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We like being "fiscally" conservative but we also support a cool quarter of a trillion dollars to conduct this Iran thing.

I miss the days when Trump just campaigned to end the Forever War and build a wall. Days long gone.
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You don't understand what you're taking about at all. Tearing up the Iran deal is why we're here now instead of 5 year from now. Obama's deal was a terrorist funding bandaid on an ideological catastrophe.
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If only the world cooperated with a purely isolationist exploitative America first agenda. Damn. If only.
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hph6203 said:

You don't understand what you're taking about at all.

I posted videos of Trump telling us he saved us from "Nuclear Holocaust", THREE other times prior. This will be the fourth time.

The obvious point is that maybe we should be skeptical about our gov crying wolf about imminent nuke threats and WMDs. Its really not too much different than libs taking bait every time on climate change alarmism, for decades.

BTW, how very ironic it is you are accusing others of not seeing beyond their immediate circumstances.
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hph6203 said:

If only the world cooperated with a purely isolationist exploitative America first agenda. Damn. If only.

To be more clear, Trump said he was going to end the "Ukraine War" on day one. He is now asking for the equivalent of what we have spent on that war for 3 years. And also we need another quarter of a trillion because the Iran war that Trump said would only last a few days is now going to last longer. "Two weeks to stop the spread" am I right
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It happening




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FobTies said:

flown-the-coop said:

It's folks trolling with the same poor talking points and takes every single day about how this is BiBis war, Charlie Kirk warned us

Their source… I have no idea.

My source. Lots of knowledge, sources and a fair amount of common senses.

Many here question the sources. We provide them. Then people claim it's AI or out of context. I post full episode. Then they get mad bc Kirk is dead, and we must assume he would have changed his mind.

There is lots of the exact same skepticism from living Tucker, Walsh, Meg Kelly and others. But MAGA has gone full Lindsey Graham, and thrown them all under the bus.

Then it ends with "people who disagree with me are trolls, and Im super smart with lots of common sense."




LOL, do you get paid each time you post the same thing? That's like the 10th time you've posted that tweet, and yet you still don't know what it is. Critical thinking is not your thing, but persistence definitely is.
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Politicians lie. News at 11.
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hph6203 said:

Politicians lie. News at 11.

Good point. I am old enough to remember when Trump was an outsider and an explicitly attacked the "deep state/establishment/media". In 2015/16 Trump was not a politician, he a was a missile into that all of these things we hated.
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Yep, whenever someone claims Charlie didnt warn us about Israel's war, or that its AI, I will remind them. So its your Lindsey Graham brethren here that keep invoking the great one, the legend, Charlie Kirk....not me.

It frustrates yall, lol. To know Kirk was in the WH telling intel leaders to keep us out of war with Iran. It forces you to self reflect how far you have shifted. So you lash out and insult me, the messenger, for giving you that bad feeling.
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so what happens if the Iranian people don't rise up and throw out the regime?
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That's a domino that starts a chain reaction!
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FobTies said:

Yep, whenever someone claims Charlie didnt warn us about Israel's war, or that its AI, I will remind them. So its your Lindsey Graham brethren here that keep invoking the great one, the legend, Charlie Kirk....not me.

It frustrates yall, lol. To know Kirk was in the WH telling intel leaders to keep us out of war with Iran. It forces you to self reflect how far you have shifted. So you lash out and insult me, the messenger, for giving you that bad feeling.

No whats frustrating is nearly everyone of your post say the same old, already worn out talking point. Bud you are old news banging the same gong 80 times a day. Come up with something new ZZZZZZZZZZZ.
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ttu_85 said:


No whats frustrating is nearly everyone of your post say the same old, already worn out talking point.

You must have liked my totally orignal post of Trump vids telling us he saved the world from Nuclear Holocaust three other times. It may be an inconvenient truth, but not a worn out TA talking point.

Also, just for you, here is an original meme, never before seen anywhere else on the internet. They arent just Iran war skeptics, they are traitors!

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infinity ag said:

MemphisAg1 said:

AGHouston11 said:

MemphisAg1 said:

War with Iran was always going to happen because of their fanatical obsession with harming others and their relentless pursuit of military capability to execute on that mission.

It was just a matter of when.

Politically, this will further sink Trump and the R's in the upcoming midterms because of the economic impacts.

But leadership requires you to do the right thing for the right reason at the right time. It's hard for me to argue this wasn't the time to kick it off, with the Iranian leaders all assembled together, Israel primed and ready to go, and neighboring militants in a low cycle position of weakness.

There will be unexpected setbacks for sure, and we'll just have to see where this goes. I hope like hell Trump doesn't TACO (chicken out) on this one. Stay the course and get the job done, regardless of the short term political consequences.


Where does stay the course stop?

It stops with eliminating their ability to harm others. Regime change would be a bonus but not absolute requirement.

It might require follow up action in coming years if the Iranians don't come around to economic and political incentives to live peacefully with regional neighbors, including Israel.

You simply can't let them get a nuclear bomb or build tens of thousands of missiles that they can rain down on the neighborhood. This conflict is confirming that they are crazy with how they've targeted non-combatants.

Have to finish the job and disarm them completely.


But then how are we okay with Pakistan having a nuclear bomb and periodically threatening the world (mainly India) with it? Why won't we take out their nukes? We don't even have to bomb them, Trump can merely ask for it and they will fall to their knees and beg us for some money.

We are not being very principled here.

We're NOT ****ing "okay with Pakistan having a nuclear bomb and periodically threatening the world (mainly India) with it"

HowEVER...weak administrations before this allowed it to happen...
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Phatbob said:

FobTies said:

flown-the-coop said:

It's folks trolling with the same poor talking points and takes every single day about how this is BiBis war, Charlie Kirk warned us

Their source… I have no idea.

My source. Lots of knowledge, sources and a fair amount of common senses.

Many here question the sources. We provide them. Then people claim it's AI or out of context. I post full episode. Then they get mad bc Kirk is dead, and we must assume he would have changed his mind.

There is lots of the exact same skepticism from living Tucker, Walsh, Meg Kelly and others. But MAGA has gone full Lindsey Graham, and thrown them all under the bus.

Then it ends with "people who disagree with me are trolls, and Im super smart with lots of common sense."




LOL, do you get paid each time you post the same thing? That's like the 10th time you've posted that tweet, and yet you still don't know what it is. Critical thinking is not your thing, but persistence definitely is.


She wants us to Lose just so Trump will look bad. Only pathetic people think like that and sadly many are on this thread
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FobTies said:

Yep, whenever someone claims Charlie didnt warn us about Israel's war, or that its AI, I will remind them. So its your Lindsey Graham brethren here that keep invoking the great one, the legend, Charlie Kirk....not me.

It frustrates yall, lol. To know Kirk was in the WH telling intel leaders to keep us out of war with Iran. It forces you to self reflect how far you have shifted. So you lash out and insult me, the messenger, for giving you that bad feeling.


The only one frustrated here is you. You hate Trump so bad that you hope we lose our something goes bad. But Trump wins and it eats at you big time

lol pathetic
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Keyno said:

hph6203 said:

Politicians lie. News at 11.

Good point. I am old enough to remember when Trump was an outsider and an explicitly attacked the "deep state/establishment/media". In 2015/16 Trump was not a politician, he a was a missile into that all of these things we hated.
All politicians are politicians. There is no such thing as an outsider. You sell a vision, you operate in reality. Welcome to adulthood.
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2026NCAggies said:


She wants us to Lose just so Trump will look bad. Only pathetic people think like that and sadly many are on this thread

Urging Trump to stop at air strikes and avoid Israel's regime change war, is how we win, and make Trump look good. The alternative ruins Trump's legacy and cripples us with debt. Its really that simple.

In our own backyard we've got middle aged white progressive women on school boards and in C-Suites doing the real damage to our way of life. Way more destruction than these Muslims across vast oceans could ever dream of doing themselves.

We would be better off air dropping VR headsets loaded with porn for these radical Muslims. See if that makes them forget about hating Israel, more than killing their loved ones does.

Sorry, I guess thats another "tired old talking point." Back to what yall like saying over and over on F16 "they hate us", "we cant let them get nukes", "we got to finally do it all the way this time".
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hph6203 said:

Keyno said:

hph6203 said:

Politicians lie. News at 11.

Good point. I am old enough to remember when Trump was an outsider and an explicitly attacked the "deep state/establishment/media". In 2015/16 Trump was not a politician, he a was a missile into that all of these things we hated.

All politicians are politicians. There is no such thing as an outsider. You sell a vision, you operate in reality. Welcome to adulthood.

Yeah if you want to retcon 2015/2016 Trump, thats cool. Alot of that going around
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Trump is also claiming the USA doesn't use the SOH.

we currently have USA flagged vessels stuck in it.
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FobTies said:

ttu_85 said:


No whats frustrating is nearly everyone of your post say the same old, already worn out talking point.

You must have liked my totally orignal post of Trump vids telling us he saved the world from Nuclear Holocaust three other times. It may be an inconvenient truth, but not a worn out TA talking point.

Also, just for you, here is an original meme, never before seen anywhere else on the internet. They arent just Iran war skeptics, they are traitors!




Those TDS libs must be new to the left, cause they sure AF don't look like the standard TDS on the left like Rachel Maddow, AOC, Bernie, or Talarico.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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Cracks in the regime summary from Hotair. Mostly from posts over the course of the week.


I agree with this. Trump's rhetoric rarely matches the underlying movements his administration directs.
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nortex97 said:

Cracks in the regime summary from Hotair. Mostly from posts over the course of the week.


I agree with this. Trump's rhetoric rarely matches the underlying movements his administration directs.


I didn't know it was 5,000. I'd heard it was a couple of thousand.

Either way, whatever works.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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Townhall: Iran's most powerful weapon; the American press corps.
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The Detroit News, the Athens Banner-Herald, and other news outlets featuring the dead Iranian soldier ran no front-page stories with the names and faces of the 35,000 Iranian citizens that Erfan Shamei, the dead soldier in the picture, would have been complicit in killing. When Iranian protesters took to the streets in January, the Iranian regime opened fire on them. Outside observers claim up to 150,000 would have been wounded and many killed. Iran itself claims 35,000 were killed.

In Tehran, the regime punished two nurses who had aided the wounded by letting men gang rape them. They were so severely raped that their uteruses had to be removed. The Athens Banner-Herald did not cover that. But a dead regime soldier killed by American and Israeli air strikes warranted front-page news coverage in newspapers across America.

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For over a decade, the American press has built up a repository of conventional wisdom that Trump keeps defying. Moving the American Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem would destabilize the region and lead to war. It did not. Killing Qasem Soleimani would lead to war. It did not. Now, the press is left to assure us that the American and Israeli military are killing all the moderate Iranian leaders and only the hardliners will be left, which will lead to a forever war.

Only in the newsrooms of America could a leadership that killed 35,000 of its citizens, hang gay men by cranes, and gang rapes nurses rendering aid be considered moderate. Now, relying on conventional wisdom, the press tells us we cannot win or even that we are losing. The press relies on voices that process most of their insights through their hatred of Donald Trump and other voices that have long had ties to the Iranian regime.

We captured and jailed Nicolas Maduro and have Cuba on the verge of collapse, with Cubans starting to riot and burn down communist party offices around the country. We have deprived China of oil from Iran. We have deprived Russia of Iranian drones to use in Ukraine. But the American press would rather us believe we are on the verge of defeat at the hands of the fifth deputy under lieutenant of toilet bowls of Iran, the last leader standing and now defiantly a hardliner.

About right. Studiously following the Democrat narrative at all times. That political fallout was as predictable as the sunrise this am.
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how exactly are we depriving China of oil if Iran is controlling the strait and we have temporarily lifted sanctions?
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They were also buying a lot of oil from the gulf 3. And Russia (which can now sell oil for more cash elsewhere vs. the discounts given to the Chicoms). The Chinese are already cutting back on some production quite significantly as a consequence of the Strait disruption.

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that's not depriving them of anything. Will it cost them more? perhaps. but Russia or Iran isn't going to just start selling to whomever, they're going to keep prioritizing who they are aligned with. the US isn't going to start buying Iranian oil!

the global economy is being disrupted, so cutbacks in that context don't mean that they are singularly being hurt here
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Take heed peasants. Not only should you pay for forever war through taxes, inflation and the loss of your children, you should also stay home. Don't go out. Order your food from grubhub.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/03/20/people-urged-to-work-from-home-in-global-oil-crisis/
 
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