AGHouston11 said:

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Red Fishing Ag93 said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Keyno said:

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Iran declares Strait of Hormuz "completely open" for remainder of truce in line with Israel-Lebanon ceasefire. Follow live updates. https://t.co/73zZNbV43n pic.twitter.com/lQneg1dY8g

— CNN (@CNN) April 17, 2026

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So basically we are back to where we were before. So as long as Israel will stop bombing it will stay open. Or if they bomb Lebanon again during the truce Iran will close it.

So the Iran regime still controls the strait just as before.

No agreements in place just a couple of truces.

Hopefully Trump will navigate himself out of this and return efforts elsewhere soon!

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Iran's navy disagrees with you.

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Yet with no Navy or Air Force they can close the Strait and open it when they choose.

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Keyno said:

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BusterAg said:

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Because Iran building enough missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome was not in the US best security interests, unless we decided to completely abandon the ME altogether.

Do you think that allowing Iran to stockpile 100,000 missiles so that they could obliterate all US assets in the ME if they wanted to is a good strategic decision? Because, that is what was happening.

The timing of the attack was kinda forced by Israel. The necessity do do it was not.

Second, do you still believe that this dust up with Iran is going to be worse than the Iraq war?

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Bro, you are doing that thing where you try to explain how Israel's security threats are the same as the US security threats. It's incorrect

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LMCane said:

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anti-semites were delirious that Trump was just in the pocket of the Jews.

doesn't sound like it!

I won't wait to read an apology:

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BusterAg said:

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Keyno said:

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BusterAg said:

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Because Iran building enough missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome was not in the US best security interests, unless we decided to completely abandon the ME altogether.

Do you think that allowing Iran to stockpile 100,000 missiles so that they could obliterate all US assets in the ME if they wanted to is a good strategic decision? Because, that is what was happening.

The timing of the attack was kinda forced by Israel. The necessity do do it was not.

Second, do you still believe that this dust up with Iran is going to be worse than the Iraq war?

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Bro, you are doing that thing where you try to explain how Israel's security threats are the same as the US security threats. It's incorrect

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Should we abandon Al Udeid Air Base? I think the US has an interest in keeping Al Udeid Air Base, and protecting it from attack. I think that this is a US security interest and not an Israeli security interest.

Do you?

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Rockdoc said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Red Fishing Ag93 said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Keyno said:

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Iran declares Strait of Hormuz "completely open" for remainder of truce in line with Israel-Lebanon ceasefire. Follow live updates. https://t.co/73zZNbV43n pic.twitter.com/lQneg1dY8g

— CNN (@CNN) April 17, 2026

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So basically we are back to where we were before. So as long as Israel will stop bombing it will stay open. Or if they bomb Lebanon again during the truce Iran will close it.

So the Iran regime still controls the strait just as before.

No agreements in place just a couple of truces.

Hopefully Trump will navigate himself out of this and return efforts elsewhere soon!

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Iran's navy disagrees with you.

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Yet with no Navy or Air Force they can close the Strait and open it when they choose.

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Well sorry but you're wrong. You've got to stop rooting for Iran.

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Keyno said:

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BusterAg said:

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Keyno said:

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BusterAg said:

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Because Iran building enough missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome was not in the US best security interests, unless we decided to completely abandon the ME altogether.

Do you think that allowing Iran to stockpile 100,000 missiles so that they could obliterate all US assets in the ME if they wanted to is a good strategic decision? Because, that is what was happening.

The timing of the attack was kinda forced by Israel. The necessity do do it was not.

Second, do you still believe that this dust up with Iran is going to be worse than the Iraq war?

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Bro, you are doing that thing where you try to explain how Israel's security threats are the same as the US security threats. It's incorrect

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Should we abandon Al Udeid Air Base? I think the US has an interest in keeping Al Udeid Air Base, and protecting it from attack. I think that this is a US security interest and not an Israeli security interest.

Do you?

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What is this? A goalpost shift with no quote to show continuity of debate?

You said: The immediate objective was to save the lives of servicemen and assets targeted by the Iranian front lines once Israel started their attack. And Israel attacked because Iran was stockpiling missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome.

Here, you admit that Israel dragged us into the war. If you are so concerned about US bases on the other side of the planet getting hit, you should be calling for Israel to stop dragging us into wars.

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Keyno said:

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captkirk said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Keyno said:

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Iran declares Strait of Hormuz "completely open" for remainder of truce in line with Israel-Lebanon ceasefire. Follow live updates. https://t.co/73zZNbV43n pic.twitter.com/lQneg1dY8g

— CNN (@CNN) April 17, 2026

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So basically we are back to where we were before. So as long as Israel will stop bombing it will stay open. Or if they bomb Lebanon again during the truce Iran will close it.

So the Iran regime still controls the strait just as before.

No agreements in place just a couple of truces.

Hopefully Trump will navigate himself out of this and return efforts elsewhere soon!

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Iran can't close anything at this point. Its easier for all involved if they don't make the attempt.

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Are you just not aware of whats going on? The Strait has been closed for weeks.

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BrazosDog02 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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Keyno said:

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Woods Ag said:

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ErnestEndeavor said:

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Saudi state media claims Iran giving up its enriched uranium to Russia.

If true, it is over. https://t.co/FnaZOlq5eD

— Mr. VIX (@yieldsearcher) April 14, 2026

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Thats not what it says. What it says is "Russia Agrees to Receive Iran's Stockpile of Enriched Uranium". It does not say Iran has agreed to give it up.

For reference, Russia offered to take the uranium to facilitate a peace deal as far back as March 13. And Trump rejected the proposal.

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Thank you, Kenya

Interesting to see what th day brings.

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Well the day has come and gone. And no Iranian uranium has been given to Russia. So I guess the Saudi story was a red herring.

Here's what was reported today. The Pentagon has asked Ford and GM to start producing weapons and military equipment. So that means its over and we won, right?

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/pentagon-approaches-automakers-manufacturers-boost-weapons-production-wsj-2026-04-16/

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Yes. It's over.

We won….an increase in goods and services and your dollar not going as far as it did a few weeks ago.

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A relatively small price to pay for not losing a major city to nukes in the future. That's what this is all about. Dems don't care about the future. Right?

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Yes....thank god they can't blow up....well ****, I don't know what city that would be that I give a single solitary f--- about, but yeah, I guess hooray!

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AGHouston11 said:

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Red Fishing Ag93 said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Keyno said:

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Iran declares Strait of Hormuz "completely open" for remainder of truce in line with Israel-Lebanon ceasefire. Follow live updates. https://t.co/73zZNbV43n pic.twitter.com/lQneg1dY8g

— CNN (@CNN) April 17, 2026

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So basically we are back to where we were before. So as long as Israel will stop bombing it will stay open. Or if they bomb Lebanon again during the truce Iran will close it.

So the Iran regime still controls the strait just as before.

No agreements in place just a couple of truces.

Hopefully Trump will navigate himself out of this and return efforts elsewhere soon!

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Iran's navy disagrees with you.

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Yet with no Navy or Air Force they can close the Strait and open it when they choose.

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Malibu said:

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Mr.Milkshake said:

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There is a certain group of ppl that are gonna be really butthurt when we get virtually everything we wanted out of Iran

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I (massive TDS) give Trump this: Venuzuela, Iran, and possibly Lebanon and Cuba may be solved in his term. Anyone who is against this outcome is incorrigible. It requires brass balls, IDGAF who this pisses off, and someone who finally grasps how to use US power without a quagmire of nation building. That's the good. The bad is Ukraine, Greenland, and torching US soft power in 1.5 short years.

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The Collective said:

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I take a different view than many. There is absolutely a gain from our military being battle-tested or operating real, complex missions. It is the unintended gain of a situation like this, but perhaps the most crucial thing.

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4 said:

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Would place a bet right now that we take nominal control/ownership of Greenland in some form before the end of Trump's term

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LMCane said:

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Number of Israeli planes shot down by Iran: 0

Number of American planes shot down by Iran: 2

Number of American and Israeli senior leaders killed by Iran: 0


Number of Iranian planes destroyed: 270

Number of Iranian naval ships destroyed: 115

Number of senior political and military leaders killed: 47

damage caused to Iran: 400 billion dollars

number of ballistic missile launchers destroyed: 300

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BREAKING: The IDF releases footage of them decimating Iran’s navy. pic.twitter.com/z8mIWXaSw9

— Eyal Yakoby (@EYakoby) April 17, 2026

Red Fishing Ag93 said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Red Fishing Ag93 said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Keyno said:

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Iran declares Strait of Hormuz "completely open" for remainder of truce in line with Israel-Lebanon ceasefire. Follow live updates. https://t.co/73zZNbV43n pic.twitter.com/lQneg1dY8g

— CNN (@CNN) April 17, 2026

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So basically we are back to where we were before. So as long as Israel will stop bombing it will stay open. Or if they bomb Lebanon again during the truce Iran will close it.

So the Iran regime still controls the strait just as before.

No agreements in place just a couple of truces.

Hopefully Trump will navigate himself out of this and return efforts elsewhere soon!

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Iran's navy disagrees with you.

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Yet with no Navy or Air Force they can close the Strait and open it when they choose.

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We didn't enter this to control the Strait.

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LMCane said:

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this probably has something to do with why the Islamic Republic surrendered:

BREAKING: The IDF releases footage of them decimating Iran’s navy. pic.twitter.com/z8mIWXaSw9

— Eyal Yakoby (@EYakoby) April 17, 2026

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4 said:

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100 pct dead on

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Keyno said:

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BusterAg said:

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Keyno said:

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BusterAg said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Mr.Milkshake said:

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There is a certain group of ppl that are gonna be really butthurt when we get virtually everything we wanted out of Iran

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If Iran still has any uranium when so is said and done, "virtually" might as well mean "everything but what really mattered and what we said we started our attack on their country for".

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The immediate objective was to save the lives of servicemen and assets targeted by the Iranian front lines once Israel started their attack. And Israel attacked because Iran was stockpiling missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome.

Or do you think that we should have let Iran continue to stockpile the missiles?

Or do you think we should have let Iran hit US assets in response to Israel's attack?

Or would you put boots on the ground so that the US could extract the uranium ourselves at a massive expense?

What would you have done different?

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You basically just admitted Israel dragged us into the war. Israel was going to strike, and we knew that Iran would retaliate, so the US had to strike as well. Why didn't we just compel Israel to NOT strike?

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Because Iran building enough missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome was not in the US best security interests, unless we decided to completely abandon the ME altogether.

Do you think that allowing Iran to stockpile 100,000 missiles so that they could obliterate all US assets in the ME if they wanted to is a good strategic decision? Because, that is what was happening.

The timing of the attack was kinda forced by Israel. The necessity do do it was not.

Second, do you still believe that this dust up with Iran is going to be worse than the Iraq war?

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Bro, you are doing that thing where you try to explain how Israel's security threats are the same as the US security threats. It's incorrect

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The Collective said:

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Also... What does the world look like when a Navy can be wiped out so quickly?

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BusterAg said:

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Keyno said:

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BusterAg said:

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Keyno said:

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BusterAg said:

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Because Iran building enough missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome was not in the US best security interests, unless we decided to completely abandon the ME altogether.

Do you think that allowing Iran to stockpile 100,000 missiles so that they could obliterate all US assets in the ME if they wanted to is a good strategic decision? Because, that is what was happening.

The timing of the attack was kinda forced by Israel. The necessity do do it was not.

Second, do you still believe that this dust up with Iran is going to be worse than the Iraq war?

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Bro, you are doing that thing where you try to explain how Israel's security threats are the same as the US security threats. It's incorrect

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Should we abandon Al Udeid Air Base? I think the US has an interest in keeping Al Udeid Air Base, and protecting it from attack. I think that this is a US security interest and not an Israeli security interest.

Do you?

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What is this? A goalpost shift with no quote to show continuity of debate?

You said: The immediate objective was to save the lives of servicemen and assets targeted by the Iranian front lines once Israel started their attack. And Israel attacked because Iran was stockpiling missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome.

Here, you admit that Israel dragged us into the war. If you are so concerned about US bases on the other side of the planet getting hit, you should be calling for Israel to stop dragging us into wars.

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You avoided the question.

Should we abandon Al Udeid Air Base? I think the US has an interest in keeping Al Udeid Air Base, and protecting it from attack. I think that this is a US security interest and not an Israeli security interest.

If you answer no, when we were going to have to attack Iran eventually, it was just a matter of timing.

The only thing I "admitted" to was that the timing of the attack was influenced by Israel, which is true. The necessity of the attack was 100% clear unless we wanted to completely abandon the middle east.

Do you disagree that the attack was going to be necessary at some point unless we completely abandoned the middle east?

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4 said:

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Yep. Trump is an absolute master at distracting the liberals and the press with his left hand while he accomplishes every goal he has set out with his right hand, with incredibly accurate efficiency.

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WestAustinAg said:

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Keyno said:

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BusterAg said:

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Keyno said:

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BusterAg said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Mr.Milkshake said:

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There is a certain group of ppl that are gonna be really butthurt when we get virtually everything we wanted out of Iran

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If Iran still has any uranium when so is said and done, "virtually" might as well mean "everything but what really mattered and what we said we started our attack on their country for".

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The immediate objective was to save the lives of servicemen and assets targeted by the Iranian front lines once Israel started their attack. And Israel attacked because Iran was stockpiling missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome.

Or do you think that we should have let Iran continue to stockpile the missiles?

Or do you think we should have let Iran hit US assets in response to Israel's attack?

Or would you put boots on the ground so that the US could extract the uranium ourselves at a massive expense?

What would you have done different?

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You basically just admitted Israel dragged us into the war. Israel was going to strike, and we knew that Iran would retaliate, so the US had to strike as well. Why didn't we just compel Israel to NOT strike?

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Because Iran building enough missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome was not in the US best security interests, unless we decided to completely abandon the ME altogether.

Do you think that allowing Iran to stockpile 100,000 missiles so that they could obliterate all US assets in the ME if they wanted to is a good strategic decision? Because, that is what was happening.

The timing of the attack was kinda forced by Israel. The necessity do do it was not.

Second, do you still believe that this dust up with Iran is going to be worse than the Iraq war?

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Bro, you are doing that thing where you try to explain how Israel's security threats are the same as the US security threats. It's incorrect

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Our interests are almost entirely interwoven. Letting some country wipe Israel off the map would make it an immediately more dangerous world for us.

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Keyno said:

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WestAustinAg said:

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Keyno said:

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BusterAg said:

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Keyno said:

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BusterAg said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Mr.Milkshake said:

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There is a certain group of ppl that are gonna be really butthurt when we get virtually everything we wanted out of Iran

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If Iran still has any uranium when so is said and done, "virtually" might as well mean "everything but what really mattered and what we said we started our attack on their country for".

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The immediate objective was to save the lives of servicemen and assets targeted by the Iranian front lines once Israel started their attack. And Israel attacked because Iran was stockpiling missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome.

Or do you think that we should have let Iran continue to stockpile the missiles?

Or do you think we should have let Iran hit US assets in response to Israel's attack?

Or would you put boots on the ground so that the US could extract the uranium ourselves at a massive expense?

What would you have done different?

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You basically just admitted Israel dragged us into the war. Israel was going to strike, and we knew that Iran would retaliate, so the US had to strike as well. Why didn't we just compel Israel to NOT strike?

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Because Iran building enough missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome was not in the US best security interests, unless we decided to completely abandon the ME altogether.

Do you think that allowing Iran to stockpile 100,000 missiles so that they could obliterate all US assets in the ME if they wanted to is a good strategic decision? Because, that is what was happening.

The timing of the attack was kinda forced by Israel. The necessity do do it was not.

Second, do you still believe that this dust up with Iran is going to be worse than the Iraq war?

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Bro, you are doing that thing where you try to explain how Israel's security threats are the same as the US security threats. It's incorrect

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Our interests are almost entirely interwoven. Letting some country wipe Israel off the map would make it an immediately more dangerous world for us.

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This is the hangup for most of this board. The other hang up is realizing you were lied to

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