Iran Has Capitulated to President Trump

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agent-maroon said:

Eliminatus said:

Politicians have, of should have, a moral and ethical obligation to spend our treasure and lives in meaningful conflicts. Not political dalliances and personal pursuits of power.

I hope you are not that ignorant or flippant towards the military. They are not automatons, blindly following orders with no thoughts of what or why they are doing what they doing. This is a really weird hill to fight on.

Not being flippant at all. But I realize that the President is the CIC and that he, hopefully under the advisement of others in his administration, has deemed this to be a "meaningful conflict" and is committing our military to carry out the mission of this conflict.

For better or worse, at the end of the day the only opinion that matters is the President's within the boundaries of the Constitution.
Is there language in our Constitution which delegates to the President the power to start a major war and prosecute a major war without Congressional approval?

Iirc, the War Powers Act ceded some power to the office of the Presidency, but with limits. How far those limits went was heavily debated in 2002. GWB eventually chose to seek and get Congressional approval for the preemptive major war against Iraq.

If conquering Iran and installing a friendly ruling government in Iran is so vitally important, which it might possibly be, then the Wall Street elites and hedge fund class and trillion dollar private equity fund class and tech billionaire bros and Trump sons and TPUSA and American Jewish and Christian Zionists who support that should be willing to go serve on the front lines alongside the sons and daughters of us regular Americans. I want to see Ben Shapiro and Josh Hammer and Mark Levin and Peter Thiel in uniform in Iran putting their lives on the line. They have zero reluctance putting the lives of other Americans at risk.
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agent-maroon said:

You do know that military service is strictly voluntary and we haven't had a draft in over 50 years, right?


Lol, nice.
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SteveA said:

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Boots on the ground means Trump is serious about finishing the job, because unless we're going to bomb the entire population into Bolivia, that's the only way to make sure we don't ever have to worry about them again, or at least for longer than if we just up and leave now..

What is your definition of, "Finish the job?" It doesn't seem very well defined. And if troop in Iran is the only way to make sure we never have to worry about them again, that just means we have to keep them there indefinitely.


Trump has talked about regime change, Iran never being able to have nukes (so, no uranium at all, and they still have), and he mentioned the people taking their country back. They have no guns, which I'm sure he knew, which would've meant we'd need to facilitate that for them with the greatest military the planet has every seen.

I'd like to think that Trump thought of every possible scenario and contingency imaginable before he had the first strike done, including what to do if boots were needed and troops needing to stay after or not.
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DeschutesAg said:

No Spin Ag said:

Burnsey said:

Welp. This means boots on the ground. There's just no other way.

There never was going to be, and anyone who thinks we can just "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran" into an entirely new form of government, or, in their case, reverting back to the constitutional monarchy they were, was naive at best and a fool at worst.

Anything less than putting our military on the ground, going through the streets of every place necessary to make MIGA, is the only way.

Anything less was pointless, save for making the MIC and everyone who made stock trades (legally and questionably) during this time.

Trump rightfully boasts about our military. Time to show the world what he can really unleash and make the world forever safe from Iran and give the Iranians their country back.
I mean this post very respectfully.

Regarding your statement indicating any and every credible pre-war analysis would have concluded that regime change in Iran cannot be achieved without a ground war, I agree. Your assessment is 100-percent spot-on.

Your 4th paragraph is where I and many other Americans differ with you.

If Don Junior, Eric Trump, Jared Kushner, David Ellison, Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, Jesse Waters, Dan Bongino, Mike Johnson, Stephen Miller, Markwayne Mullin, and other political elites and sons of the billionaire-class elites and every TPUSA / evangelical Christian pro-Zionist American male and every American Jewish pro-Zionist male under the age of 50 are carrying rifles and serving in the forward infantry units, then we'll support it.

But otherwise, we're done supporting the unnecessary sending of the sons (and daughters) of us ordinary Americans into wars like Vietnam, Iraq, and now Iran to be cannon fodder for the self-enrichment and political motivations of our nation's elites.



Thanks for being respectful. It's needed more often everywhere.

I see you point, and while I understand it fully, I'll just have to agree to disagree.

Hopefully all ends will without anything getting worse for anyone but those currently running Iran.
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Trump has talked about regime change, Iran never being able to have nukes (so, no uranium at all, and they still have), and he mentioned the people taking their country back. They have no guns, which I'm sure he knew, which would've meant we'd need to facilitate that for them with the greatest military the planet has every seen.

I'd like to think that Trump thought of every possible scenario and contingency imaginable before he had the first strike done, including what to do if boots were needed and troops needing to stay after or not.

I would like to think that as well, but he's not inspiring much confidence by the way this has been handled so far. He's been advised that regime change is highly unlikely, and even if we managed that, it would mean permanent station for many US military personnel. I know he mentioned the people taking the country back, but how many actually want that? I don't know, but the source of truth probably isn't the presidential twitter account.
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At this point, I've seen no evidence that makes me think anything other than Israel saw an opportunity to take out the Ayatolla and told Trump they were taking it. The US knew Iran would retaliate against US interests in the area, so they joined in. I think there was some hope that Iranian citizens might rise up. Beyond that, everything else just seems to be trying to justify things after the fact. I think this goes down as one of the great blunders of a US President. Repubs are going to lose everything in the midterms. If he commits troops, kiss 2028 goodbye, too.
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What is almost always missing in these discussions is that there is a cost of inaction, too.

U.S. Presidents have all known that action is needed to bring Iran into check and none have wanted to take on the risk and were happy to kick the can down the road a little.

Every year that went by made it a tougher task for whomever chose or was forced to take it on.

Not much different than the way we handle the debt crisis.

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How is it that the regime is barely still intact but can somehow control the strait and collect tolls. Who is coordinating the tolls and overseeing who can pass or not.

They have no Navy or Air Force but still control the strait. I only say that because we are told over and over again they have no Navy or Air Force as if that is supposed to be really significant.

So again how is it they still control the strait?

It's like they had a plan in place our intelligence had no idea about? That's doubtful.

We were told Iran has capitulated and Trump celebrated on Truth Social. That Mission Accomplished lasted one day.

So now our reactionary plan for it being closed is a blockade of our own! Seems all well planned?
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So again how is it they still control the strait?


Because preventing a terrorist attack on a ship passing through is a huge challenge. Impossible maybe.

You don't need a frigate or a jet to take out an oil tanker. The things move about the speed of a bicycle with minimal manueverability.

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AGHouston11 said:

How is it that the regime is barely still intact but can somehow control the strait and collect tolls. Who is coordinating the tolls and overseeing who can pass or not.

They have no Navy or Air Force but still control the strait. I only say that because we are told over and over again they have no Navy or Air Force as if that is supposed to be really significant.

So again how is it they still control the strait?

It's like they had a plan in place our intelligence had no idea about? That's doubtful.

We were told Iran has capitulated and Trump celebrated on Truth Social. That Mission Accomplished lasted one day.

So now our reactionary plan for it being closed is a blockade of our own! Seems all well planned?


Our intelligence knew exactly what they would do, Trump just ignored it in favor of what Bibi was telling him.
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AGHouston11 said:

How is it that the regime is barely still intact but can somehow control the strait and collect tolls. Who is coordinating the tolls and overseeing who can pass or not.

They have no Navy or Air Force but still control the strait. I only say that because we are told over and over again they have no Navy or Air Force as if that is supposed to be really significant.

So again how is it they still control the strait?

It's like they had a plan in place our intelligence had no idea about? That's doubtful.

We were told Iran has capitulated and Trump celebrated on Truth Social. That Mission Accomplished lasted one day.

So now our reactionary plan for it being closed is a blockade of our own! Seems all well planned?

Which is brilliant. We have it blockaded without having to do anything.
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Dorm 15 said:

AGHouston11 said:

How is it that the regime is barely still intact but can somehow control the strait and collect tolls. Who is coordinating the tolls and overseeing who can pass or not.

They have no Navy or Air Force but still control the strait. I only say that because we are told over and over again they have no Navy or Air Force as if that is supposed to be really significant.

So again how is it they still control the strait?

It's like they had a plan in place our intelligence had no idea about? That's doubtful.

We were told Iran has capitulated and Trump celebrated on Truth Social. That Mission Accomplished lasted one day.

So now our reactionary plan for it being closed is a blockade of our own! Seems all well planned?

Which is brilliant. We have it blockaded without having to do anything.


Iran had it closed to start with. The only thing that changed was they said fine don't end civilization we will open it. But then they said there will be a toll. So we say we will use a blockade.

So isn't it just back to where it was on Easter the day before civilization was going to end if it wasn't opened?
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AGHouston11 said:

Dorm 15 said:

AGHouston11 said:

How is it that the regime is barely still intact but can somehow control the strait and collect tolls. Who is coordinating the tolls and overseeing who can pass or not.

They have no Navy or Air Force but still control the strait. I only say that because we are told over and over again they have no Navy or Air Force as if that is supposed to be really significant.

So again how is it they still control the strait?

It's like they had a plan in place our intelligence had no idea about? That's doubtful.

We were told Iran has capitulated and Trump celebrated on Truth Social. That Mission Accomplished lasted one day.

So now our reactionary plan for it being closed is a blockade of our own! Seems all well planned?

Which is brilliant. We have it blockaded without having to do anything.


Iran had it closed to start with. The only thing that changed was they said fine don't end civilization we will open it. But then they said there will be a toll. So we say we will use a blockade.

So isn't it just back to where it was on Easter the day before civilization was going to end if it wasn't opened?

Seems that way to me, but I'm sure I'm wrong.
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AGHouston11 said:

How is it that the regime is barely still intact but can somehow control the strait and collect tolls. Who is coordinating the tolls and overseeing who can pass or not.

They have no Navy or Air Force but still control the strait. I only say that because we are told over and over again they have no Navy or Air Force as if that is supposed to be really significant.

So again how is it they still control the strait?

It's like they had a plan in place our intelligence had no idea about? That's doubtful.

We were told Iran has capitulated and Trump celebrated on Truth Social. That Mission Accomplished lasted one day.

So now our reactionary plan for it being closed is a blockade of our own! Seems all well planned?

Our intelligence advised against this. Caine advised against this. Vance didn't like this. Tulsi wasn't included because she probably didn't like this. Kent already quit because he didn't want this and he came out with that.

This decision was solely Trumps based on Bibi's "intel" and briefing.

I've said before, it's not hard to shut down the straight. Mines, Drones, Pirates... They strike 1 ship and everything goes to a standstill.

Start putting the pieces together. Where are the Epstein files? Where is all the corruption that was going to get exposed? Why aren't people in jail for any of this crazy **** that has happened? It's just not there? What happened?

No new wars! We're ending wars! and out of no where we're bombing Iran's nuclear facilities. It's all done now, no more ability to make nukes... Bibi shows up again wanting more war with Iran. No one on trumps admin believes a word of it, but Trump is pulling the ****ing trigger again.

Who the **** is pulling the strings? What happened that made Trump call the Epstein files nonsense? Why did we reverse course on all of his campaign promises including no new wars?

Take off your blue and red colored glasses and just be objective with both parties. Some of you are so ****ing sold out to one side it hurts my heart that there are so few objective people. Eventually you have to open you eyes and see that Trump is compromised and he isn't worth a **** either.

Edit: Sorry - I replied to you but it curtailed into a rant that isn't really directed at you. Just frustrated with some of the stuff I read on this and other threads.
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Woods Ag said:

AGHouston11 said:

How is it that the regime is barely still intact but can somehow control the strait and collect tolls. Who is coordinating the tolls and overseeing who can pass or not.

They have no Navy or Air Force but still control the strait. I only say that because we are told over and over again they have no Navy or Air Force as if that is supposed to be really significant.

So again how is it they still control the strait?

It's like they had a plan in place our intelligence had no idea about? That's doubtful.

We were told Iran has capitulated and Trump celebrated on Truth Social. That Mission Accomplished lasted one day.

So now our reactionary plan for it being closed is a blockade of our own! Seems all well planned?

Our intelligence advised against this. Caine advised against this. Vance didn't like this. Tulsi wasn't included because she probably didn't like this. Kent already quit because he didn't want this and he came out with that.

This decision was solely Trumps based on Bibi's "intel" and briefing.

I've said before, it's not hard to shut down the straight. Mines, Drones, Pirates... They strike 1 ship and everything goes to a standstill.

Start putting the pieces together. Where are the Epstein files? Where is all the corruption that was going to get exposed? Why aren't people in jail for any of this crazy **** that has happened? It's just not there? What happened?

No new wars! We're ending wars! and out of no where we're bombing Iran's nuclear facilities. It's all done now, no more ability to make nukes... Bibi shows up again wanting more war with Iran. No one on trumps admin believes a word of it, but Trump is pulling the ****ing trigger again.

Who the **** is pulling the strings? What happened that made Trump call the Epstein files nonsense? Why did we reverse course on all of his campaign promises including no new wars?

Take off your blue and red colored glasses and just be objective with both parties. Some of you are so ****ing sold out to one side it hurts my heart that there are so few objective people. Eventually you have to open you eyes and see that Trump is compromised and he isn't worth a **** either.

Edit: Sorry - I replied to you but it curtailed into a rant that isn't really directed at you. Just frustrated with some of the stuff I read on this and other threads.



As a Trump voter who regrets my decision with more frequency every week , I'm with you. You're right.
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sam callahan said:

What is almost always missing in these discussions is that there is a cost of inaction, too.

U.S. Presidents have all known that action is needed to bring Iran into check and none have wanted to take on the risk and were happy to kick the can down the road a little.

Every year that went by made it a tougher task for whomever chose or was forced to take it on.

Not much different than the way we handle the debt crisis.




Ok. I get this logic. However, that would aptly explain last summer's bombing, when we "obliterated" their nuclear capability. But this Spring's actions seem to have been based on promises made by Bibi, that haven't been fulfilled. I think the actual goal that sold Trump was full regime change, coupled with an uprising of the Iranian people. These things didn't happen and now he is desperately looking for an off ramp.
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TheCurl84 said:

sam callahan said:

What is almost always missing in these discussions is that there is a cost of inaction, too.

U.S. Presidents have all known that action is needed to bring Iran into check and none have wanted to take on the risk and were happy to kick the can down the road a little.

Every year that went by made it a tougher task for whomever chose or was forced to take it on.

Not much different than the way we handle the debt crisis.




Ok. I get this logic. However, that would aptly explain last summer's bombing, when we "obliterated" their nuclear capability. But this Spring's actions seem to have been based on promises made by Bibi, that haven't been fulfilled. I think the actual goal that sold Trump was full regime change, coupled with an uprising of the Iranian people. These things didn't happen and now he is desperately looking for an off ramp.


You are ignoring their program to build 100,000 ballistic missiles to overwhelm iron dome, which was the actual cause for the timing of the attack this spring. Rubio articulated this very well, but it has been largely ignored by the media.
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Woods Ag said:

AGHouston11 said:

How is it that the regime is barely still intact but can somehow control the strait and collect tolls. Who is coordinating the tolls and overseeing who can pass or not.

They have no Navy or Air Force but still control the strait. I only say that because we are told over and over again they have no Navy or Air Force as if that is supposed to be really significant.

So again how is it they still control the strait?

It's like they had a plan in place our intelligence had no idea about? That's doubtful.

We were told Iran has capitulated and Trump celebrated on Truth Social. That Mission Accomplished lasted one day.

So now our reactionary plan for it being closed is a blockade of our own! Seems all well planned?

Our intelligence advised against this. Caine advised against this. Vance didn't like this. Tulsi wasn't included because she probably didn't like this. Kent already quit because he didn't want this and he came out with that.

This decision was solely Trumps based on Bibi's "intel" and briefing.

I've said before, it's not hard to shut down the straight. Mines, Drones, Pirates... They strike 1 ship and everything goes to a standstill.

Start putting the pieces together. Where are the Epstein files? Where is all the corruption that was going to get exposed? Why aren't people in jail for any of this crazy **** that has happened? It's just not there? What happened?

No new wars! We're ending wars! and out of no where we're bombing Iran's nuclear facilities. It's all done now, no more ability to make nukes... Bibi shows up again wanting more war with Iran. No one on trumps admin believes a word of it, but Trump is pulling the ****ing trigger again.

Who the **** is pulling the strings? What happened that made Trump call the Epstein files nonsense? Why did we reverse course on all of his campaign promises including no new wars?

Take off your blue and red colored glasses and just be objective with both parties. Some of you are so ****ing sold out to one side it hurts my heart that there are so few objective people. Eventually you have to open you eyes and see that Trump is compromised and he isn't worth a **** either.

Edit: Sorry - I replied to you but it curtailed into a rant that isn't really directed at you. Just frustrated with some of the stuff I read on this and other threads.


I'm sorry your favorite conspiracy theories haven't panned out. Good luck on the next round.
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Woods Ag said:

AGHouston11 said:

How is it that the regime is barely still intact but can somehow control the strait and collect tolls. Who is coordinating the tolls and overseeing who can pass or not.

They have no Navy or Air Force but still control the strait. I only say that because we are told over and over again they have no Navy or Air Force as if that is supposed to be really significant.

So again how is it they still control the strait?

It's like they had a plan in place our intelligence had no idea about? That's doubtful.

We were told Iran has capitulated and Trump celebrated on Truth Social. That Mission Accomplished lasted one day.

So now our reactionary plan for it being closed is a blockade of our own! Seems all well planned?

Our intelligence advised against this. Caine advised against this. Vance didn't like this. Tulsi wasn't included because she probably didn't like this. Kent already quit because he didn't want this and he came out with that.

This decision was solely Trumps based on Bibi's "intel" and briefing.

I've said before, it's not hard to shut down the straight. Mines, Drones, Pirates... They strike 1 ship and everything goes to a standstill.

Start putting the pieces together. Where are the Epstein files? Where is all the corruption that was going to get exposed? Why aren't people in jail for any of this crazy **** that has happened? It's just not there? What happened?

No new wars! We're ending wars! and out of no where we're bombing Iran's nuclear facilities. It's all done now, no more ability to make nukes... Bibi shows up again wanting more war with Iran. No one on trumps admin believes a word of it, but Trump is pulling the ****ing trigger again.

Who the **** is pulling the strings? What happened that made Trump call the Epstein files nonsense? Why did we reverse course on all of his campaign promises including no new wars?

Take off your blue and red colored glasses and just be objective with both parties. Some of you are so ****ing sold out to one side it hurts my heart that there are so few objective people. Eventually you have to open you eyes and see that Trump is compromised and he isn't worth a **** either.

Edit: Sorry - I replied to you but it curtailed into a rant that isn't really directed at you. Just frustrated with some of the stuff I read on this and other threads.



Best on TexAgs. This is the story.
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Phatbob said:

Woods Ag said:

AGHouston11 said:

How is it that the regime is barely still intact but can somehow control the strait and collect tolls. Who is coordinating the tolls and overseeing who can pass or not.

They have no Navy or Air Force but still control the strait. I only say that because we are told over and over again they have no Navy or Air Force as if that is supposed to be really significant.

So again how is it they still control the strait?

It's like they had a plan in place our intelligence had no idea about? That's doubtful.

We were told Iran has capitulated and Trump celebrated on Truth Social. That Mission Accomplished lasted one day.

So now our reactionary plan for it being closed is a blockade of our own! Seems all well planned?

Our intelligence advised against this. Caine advised against this. Vance didn't like this. Tulsi wasn't included because she probably didn't like this. Kent already quit because he didn't want this and he came out with that.

This decision was solely Trumps based on Bibi's "intel" and briefing.

I've said before, it's not hard to shut down the straight. Mines, Drones, Pirates... They strike 1 ship and everything goes to a standstill.

Start putting the pieces together. Where are the Epstein files? Where is all the corruption that was going to get exposed? Why aren't people in jail for any of this crazy **** that has happened? It's just not there? What happened?

No new wars! We're ending wars! and out of no where we're bombing Iran's nuclear facilities. It's all done now, no more ability to make nukes... Bibi shows up again wanting more war with Iran. No one on trumps admin believes a word of it, but Trump is pulling the ****ing trigger again.

Who the **** is pulling the strings? What happened that made Trump call the Epstein files nonsense? Why did we reverse course on all of his campaign promises including no new wars?

Take off your blue and red colored glasses and just be objective with both parties. Some of you are so ****ing sold out to one side it hurts my heart that there are so few objective people. Eventually you have to open you eyes and see that Trump is compromised and he isn't worth a **** either.

Edit: Sorry - I replied to you but it curtailed into a rant that isn't really directed at you. Just frustrated with some of the stuff I read on this and other threads.


I'm sorry your favorite conspiracy theories haven't panned out. Good luck on the next round.

You may be right. Maybe they were all just bogus, and I'm ok with that. Maybe everyone in government are white knights just looking to do their honest best. I've been wrong many times in my life and try to course correct when I recognize that I am.

I'll withhold my opinions on any of that. This "war" is the topic and it's disappointing we find ourselves in the same place we were 20+ years ago.
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Woods Ag said:

Phatbob said:

Woods Ag said:

AGHouston11 said:

How is it that the regime is barely still intact but can somehow control the strait and collect tolls. Who is coordinating the tolls and overseeing who can pass or not.

They have no Navy or Air Force but still control the strait. I only say that because we are told over and over again they have no Navy or Air Force as if that is supposed to be really significant.

So again how is it they still control the strait?

It's like they had a plan in place our intelligence had no idea about? That's doubtful.

We were told Iran has capitulated and Trump celebrated on Truth Social. That Mission Accomplished lasted one day.

So now our reactionary plan for it being closed is a blockade of our own! Seems all well planned?

Our intelligence advised against this. Caine advised against this. Vance didn't like this. Tulsi wasn't included because she probably didn't like this. Kent already quit because he didn't want this and he came out with that.

This decision was solely Trumps based on Bibi's "intel" and briefing.

I've said before, it's not hard to shut down the straight. Mines, Drones, Pirates... They strike 1 ship and everything goes to a standstill.

Start putting the pieces together. Where are the Epstein files? Where is all the corruption that was going to get exposed? Why aren't people in jail for any of this crazy **** that has happened? It's just not there? What happened?

No new wars! We're ending wars! and out of no where we're bombing Iran's nuclear facilities. It's all done now, no more ability to make nukes... Bibi shows up again wanting more war with Iran. No one on trumps admin believes a word of it, but Trump is pulling the ****ing trigger again.

Who the **** is pulling the strings? What happened that made Trump call the Epstein files nonsense? Why did we reverse course on all of his campaign promises including no new wars?

Take off your blue and red colored glasses and just be objective with both parties. Some of you are so ****ing sold out to one side it hurts my heart that there are so few objective people. Eventually you have to open you eyes and see that Trump is compromised and he isn't worth a **** either.

Edit: Sorry - I replied to you but it curtailed into a rant that isn't really directed at you. Just frustrated with some of the stuff I read on this and other threads.


I'm sorry your favorite conspiracy theories haven't panned out. Good luck on the next round.

You may be right. Maybe they were all just bogus, and I'm ok with that. Maybe everyone in government are white knights just looking to do their honest best. I've been wrong many times in my life and try to course correct when I recognize that I am.

I'll withhold my opinions on any of that. This "war" is the topic and it's disappointing we find ourselves in the same place we were 20+ years ago.


Every decade or so a new president comes along and says "sorry for all the mistakes we made 10-20 years ago but I promise it'll all change now that I'm in charge"

Then they go right back to doing the same stuff
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LegalDrugPusher said:

All the Trump haters were up in arms of Trump's tweet from this morning not ever thinking about how that rhetoric could be where we got to where we are now that it's called strategy, but of course when you hate Trump so much you cling to every word because you're weak
can we get an update on this, OP?
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PaulsBunions said:

Woods Ag said:

Phatbob said:

Woods Ag said:

AGHouston11 said:

How is it that the regime is barely still intact but can somehow control the strait and collect tolls. Who is coordinating the tolls and overseeing who can pass or not.

They have no Navy or Air Force but still control the strait. I only say that because we are told over and over again they have no Navy or Air Force as if that is supposed to be really significant.

So again how is it they still control the strait?

It's like they had a plan in place our intelligence had no idea about? That's doubtful.

We were told Iran has capitulated and Trump celebrated on Truth Social. That Mission Accomplished lasted one day.

So now our reactionary plan for it being closed is a blockade of our own! Seems all well planned?

Our intelligence advised against this. Caine advised against this. Vance didn't like this. Tulsi wasn't included because she probably didn't like this. Kent already quit because he didn't want this and he came out with that.

This decision was solely Trumps based on Bibi's "intel" and briefing.

I've said before, it's not hard to shut down the straight. Mines, Drones, Pirates... They strike 1 ship and everything goes to a standstill.

Start putting the pieces together. Where are the Epstein files? Where is all the corruption that was going to get exposed? Why aren't people in jail for any of this crazy **** that has happened? It's just not there? What happened?

No new wars! We're ending wars! and out of no where we're bombing Iran's nuclear facilities. It's all done now, no more ability to make nukes... Bibi shows up again wanting more war with Iran. No one on trumps admin believes a word of it, but Trump is pulling the ****ing trigger again.

Who the **** is pulling the strings? What happened that made Trump call the Epstein files nonsense? Why did we reverse course on all of his campaign promises including no new wars?

Take off your blue and red colored glasses and just be objective with both parties. Some of you are so ****ing sold out to one side it hurts my heart that there are so few objective people. Eventually you have to open you eyes and see that Trump is compromised and he isn't worth a **** either.

Edit: Sorry - I replied to you but it curtailed into a rant that isn't really directed at you. Just frustrated with some of the stuff I read on this and other threads.


I'm sorry your favorite conspiracy theories haven't panned out. Good luck on the next round.

You may be right. Maybe they were all just bogus, and I'm ok with that. Maybe everyone in government are white knights just looking to do their honest best. I've been wrong many times in my life and try to course correct when I recognize that I am.

I'll withhold my opinions on any of that. This "war" is the topic and it's disappointing we find ourselves in the same place we were 20+ years ago.


Every decade or so a new president comes along and says "sorry for all the mistakes we made 10-20 years ago but I promise it'll all change now that I'm in charge"

Then they go right back to doing the same stuff


Be they politicians or a true businessman (Trump) , the MIC is the proverbial "House" and the house always wins.
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AGHouston11 said:

Dorm 15 said:

AGHouston11 said:

How is it that the regime is barely still intact but can somehow control the strait and collect tolls. Who is coordinating the tolls and overseeing who can pass or not.

They have no Navy or Air Force but still control the strait. I only say that because we are told over and over again they have no Navy or Air Force as if that is supposed to be really significant.

So again how is it they still control the strait?

It's like they had a plan in place our intelligence had no idea about? That's doubtful.

We were told Iran has capitulated and Trump celebrated on Truth Social. That Mission Accomplished lasted one day.

So now our reactionary plan for it being closed is a blockade of our own! Seems all well planned?

Which is brilliant. We have it blockaded without having to do anything.


Iran had it closed to start with. The only thing that changed was they said fine don't end civilization we will open it. But then they said there will be a toll. So we say we will use a blockade.

So isn't it just back to where it was on Easter the day before civilization was going to end if it wasn't opened?


Pretty much Iran was blocking everyone else but letting their own oil in and out or extorting a huge fee for passage.


We retaliated with a declared blockaide (a legal thing in a war with a coastline involved and an opposing navy able to implement it) and that blocked us specific to traffic in and out of Iran, so they can't profit or benefit from their own selective blockage of shipping traffic.


Yhis will bring back pressure from Asian and Europe on Iran to just submit for now. As it basically crushes what is left if their economy until we relent.

Our blockade allows anyone else to ship in and out if they dare to defy Iran. We just won't let anything headed into or out of Itan through.
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BrazosDog02 said:

Woods Ag said:

AGHouston11 said:

How is it that the regime is barely still intact but can somehow control the strait and collect tolls. Who is coordinating the tolls and overseeing who can pass or not.

They have no Navy or Air Force but still control the strait. I only say that because we are told over and over again they have no Navy or Air Force as if that is supposed to be really significant.

So again how is it they still control the strait?

It's like they had a plan in place our intelligence had no idea about? That's doubtful.

We were told Iran has capitulated and Trump celebrated on Truth Social. That Mission Accomplished lasted one day.

So now our reactionary plan for it being closed is a blockade of our own! Seems all well planned?

Our intelligence advised against this. Caine advised against this. Vance didn't like this. Tulsi wasn't included because she probably didn't like this. Kent already quit because he didn't want this and he came out with that.

This decision was solely Trumps based on Bibi's "intel" and briefing.

I've said before, it's not hard to shut down the straight. Mines, Drones, Pirates... They strike 1 ship and everything goes to a standstill.

Start putting the pieces together. Where are the Epstein files? Where is all the corruption that was going to get exposed? Why aren't people in jail for any of this crazy **** that has happened? It's just not there? What happened?

No new wars! We're ending wars! and out of no where we're bombing Iran's nuclear facilities. It's all done now, no more ability to make nukes... Bibi shows up again wanting more war with Iran. No one on trumps admin believes a word of it, but Trump is pulling the ****ing trigger again.

Who the **** is pulling the strings? What happened that made Trump call the Epstein files nonsense? Why did we reverse course on all of his campaign promises including no new wars?

Take off your blue and red colored glasses and just be objective with both parties. Some of you are so ****ing sold out to one side it hurts my heart that there are so few objective people. Eventually you have to open you eyes and see that Trump is compromised and he isn't worth a **** either.

Edit: Sorry - I replied to you but it curtailed into a rant that isn't really directed at you. Just frustrated with some of the stuff I read on this and other threads.



As a Trump voter who regrets my decision with more frequency every week , I'm with you. You're right.

So...... Kamala.
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Red Fishing Ag93 said:

BrazosDog02 said:

Woods Ag said:

AGHouston11 said:

How is it that the regime is barely still intact but can somehow control the strait and collect tolls. Who is coordinating the tolls and overseeing who can pass or not.

They have no Navy or Air Force but still control the strait. I only say that because we are told over and over again they have no Navy or Air Force as if that is supposed to be really significant.

So again how is it they still control the strait?

It's like they had a plan in place our intelligence had no idea about? That's doubtful.

We were told Iran has capitulated and Trump celebrated on Truth Social. That Mission Accomplished lasted one day.

So now our reactionary plan for it being closed is a blockade of our own! Seems all well planned?

Our intelligence advised against this. Caine advised against this. Vance didn't like this. Tulsi wasn't included because she probably didn't like this. Kent already quit because he didn't want this and he came out with that.

This decision was solely Trumps based on Bibi's "intel" and briefing.

I've said before, it's not hard to shut down the straight. Mines, Drones, Pirates... They strike 1 ship and everything goes to a standstill.

Start putting the pieces together. Where are the Epstein files? Where is all the corruption that was going to get exposed? Why aren't people in jail for any of this crazy **** that has happened? It's just not there? What happened?

No new wars! We're ending wars! and out of no where we're bombing Iran's nuclear facilities. It's all done now, no more ability to make nukes... Bibi shows up again wanting more war with Iran. No one on trumps admin believes a word of it, but Trump is pulling the ****ing trigger again.

Who the **** is pulling the strings? What happened that made Trump call the Epstein files nonsense? Why did we reverse course on all of his campaign promises including no new wars?

Take off your blue and red colored glasses and just be objective with both parties. Some of you are so ****ing sold out to one side it hurts my heart that there are so few objective people. Eventually you have to open you eyes and see that Trump is compromised and he isn't worth a **** either.

Edit: Sorry - I replied to you but it curtailed into a rant that isn't really directed at you. Just frustrated with some of the stuff I read on this and other threads.



As a Trump voter who regrets my decision with more frequency every week , I'm with you. You're right.

So...... Kamala.


No...... Rand Paul or Thomas Massie.
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The country that openly said often it would destroy another country, Israel, and death to America. Not some low city mayor, but the Head MFIC.... Now has no nuke program and no military. I'm not sure what the problem is. The oil issue will resolve. It's needed like blood.
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FWTXAg said:

Red Fishing Ag93 said:

BrazosDog02 said:

Woods Ag said:

AGHouston11 said:

How is it that the regime is barely still intact but can somehow control the strait and collect tolls. Who is coordinating the tolls and overseeing who can pass or not.

They have no Navy or Air Force but still control the strait. I only say that because we are told over and over again they have no Navy or Air Force as if that is supposed to be really significant.

So again how is it they still control the strait?

It's like they had a plan in place our intelligence had no idea about? That's doubtful.

We were told Iran has capitulated and Trump celebrated on Truth Social. That Mission Accomplished lasted one day.

So now our reactionary plan for it being closed is a blockade of our own! Seems all well planned?

Our intelligence advised against this. Caine advised against this. Vance didn't like this. Tulsi wasn't included because she probably didn't like this. Kent already quit because he didn't want this and he came out with that.

This decision was solely Trumps based on Bibi's "intel" and briefing.

I've said before, it's not hard to shut down the straight. Mines, Drones, Pirates... They strike 1 ship and everything goes to a standstill.

Start putting the pieces together. Where are the Epstein files? Where is all the corruption that was going to get exposed? Why aren't people in jail for any of this crazy **** that has happened? It's just not there? What happened?

No new wars! We're ending wars! and out of no where we're bombing Iran's nuclear facilities. It's all done now, no more ability to make nukes... Bibi shows up again wanting more war with Iran. No one on trumps admin believes a word of it, but Trump is pulling the ****ing trigger again.

Who the **** is pulling the strings? What happened that made Trump call the Epstein files nonsense? Why did we reverse course on all of his campaign promises including no new wars?

Take off your blue and red colored glasses and just be objective with both parties. Some of you are so ****ing sold out to one side it hurts my heart that there are so few objective people. Eventually you have to open you eyes and see that Trump is compromised and he isn't worth a **** either.

Edit: Sorry - I replied to you but it curtailed into a rant that isn't really directed at you. Just frustrated with some of the stuff I read on this and other threads.



As a Trump voter who regrets my decision with more frequency every week , I'm with you. You're right.

So...... Kamala.


No...... Rand Paul or Thomas Massie.

So..... Kamala.
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Red Fishing Ag93 said:

FWTXAg said:

Red Fishing Ag93 said:

BrazosDog02 said:

Woods Ag said:

AGHouston11 said:

How is it that the regime is barely still intact but can somehow control the strait and collect tolls. Who is coordinating the tolls and overseeing who can pass or not.

They have no Navy or Air Force but still control the strait. I only say that because we are told over and over again they have no Navy or Air Force as if that is supposed to be really significant.

So again how is it they still control the strait?

It's like they had a plan in place our intelligence had no idea about? That's doubtful.

We were told Iran has capitulated and Trump celebrated on Truth Social. That Mission Accomplished lasted one day.

So now our reactionary plan for it being closed is a blockade of our own! Seems all well planned?

Our intelligence advised against this. Caine advised against this. Vance didn't like this. Tulsi wasn't included because she probably didn't like this. Kent already quit because he didn't want this and he came out with that.

This decision was solely Trumps based on Bibi's "intel" and briefing.

I've said before, it's not hard to shut down the straight. Mines, Drones, Pirates... They strike 1 ship and everything goes to a standstill.

Start putting the pieces together. Where are the Epstein files? Where is all the corruption that was going to get exposed? Why aren't people in jail for any of this crazy **** that has happened? It's just not there? What happened?

No new wars! We're ending wars! and out of no where we're bombing Iran's nuclear facilities. It's all done now, no more ability to make nukes... Bibi shows up again wanting more war with Iran. No one on trumps admin believes a word of it, but Trump is pulling the ****ing trigger again.

Who the **** is pulling the strings? What happened that made Trump call the Epstein files nonsense? Why did we reverse course on all of his campaign promises including no new wars?

Take off your blue and red colored glasses and just be objective with both parties. Some of you are so ****ing sold out to one side it hurts my heart that there are so few objective people. Eventually you have to open you eyes and see that Trump is compromised and he isn't worth a **** either.

Edit: Sorry - I replied to you but it curtailed into a rant that isn't really directed at you. Just frustrated with some of the stuff I read on this and other threads.



As a Trump voter who regrets my decision with more frequency every week , I'm with you. You're right.

So...... Kamala.


No...... Rand Paul or Thomas Massie.

So..... Kamala.

No...... Rand Paul or Thomas Massie. Or in other words, anyone who is actually fiscally conservative and socially liberal and wants to shrink the size of government at every level. A vote for a big government Republican like Trump, Rubio, Vance, etc. is the same as a vote for Kamala.
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FWTXAg said:

Red Fishing Ag93 said:

FWTXAg said:

Red Fishing Ag93 said:

BrazosDog02 said:

Woods Ag said:

AGHouston11 said:

How is it that the regime is barely still intact but can somehow control the strait and collect tolls. Who is coordinating the tolls and overseeing who can pass or not.

They have no Navy or Air Force but still control the strait. I only say that because we are told over and over again they have no Navy or Air Force as if that is supposed to be really significant.

So again how is it they still control the strait?

It's like they had a plan in place our intelligence had no idea about? That's doubtful.

We were told Iran has capitulated and Trump celebrated on Truth Social. That Mission Accomplished lasted one day.

So now our reactionary plan for it being closed is a blockade of our own! Seems all well planned?

Our intelligence advised against this. Caine advised against this. Vance didn't like this. Tulsi wasn't included because she probably didn't like this. Kent already quit because he didn't want this and he came out with that.

This decision was solely Trumps based on Bibi's "intel" and briefing.

I've said before, it's not hard to shut down the straight. Mines, Drones, Pirates... They strike 1 ship and everything goes to a standstill.

Start putting the pieces together. Where are the Epstein files? Where is all the corruption that was going to get exposed? Why aren't people in jail for any of this crazy **** that has happened? It's just not there? What happened?

No new wars! We're ending wars! and out of no where we're bombing Iran's nuclear facilities. It's all done now, no more ability to make nukes... Bibi shows up again wanting more war with Iran. No one on trumps admin believes a word of it, but Trump is pulling the ****ing trigger again.

Who the **** is pulling the strings? What happened that made Trump call the Epstein files nonsense? Why did we reverse course on all of his campaign promises including no new wars?

Take off your blue and red colored glasses and just be objective with both parties. Some of you are so ****ing sold out to one side it hurts my heart that there are so few objective people. Eventually you have to open you eyes and see that Trump is compromised and he isn't worth a **** either.

Edit: Sorry - I replied to you but it curtailed into a rant that isn't really directed at you. Just frustrated with some of the stuff I read on this and other threads.



As a Trump voter who regrets my decision with more frequency every week , I'm with you. You're right.

So...... Kamala.


No...... Rand Paul or Thomas Massie.

So..... Kamala.

No...... Rand Paul or Thomas Massie. Or in other words, anyone who is actually fiscally conservative and socially liberal and wants to shrink the size of government at every level. A vote for a big government Republican like Trump, Rubio, Vance, etc. is the same as a vote for Kamala.


Man… Javier Milei talking with Elon and that whole vibe… I was really hopeful we were moving in that direction
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FWTXAg said:

Red Fishing Ag93 said:

FWTXAg said:

Red Fishing Ag93 said:

BrazosDog02 said:

Woods Ag said:

AGHouston11 said:

How is it that the regime is barely still intact but can somehow control the strait and collect tolls. Who is coordinating the tolls and overseeing who can pass or not.

They have no Navy or Air Force but still control the strait. I only say that because we are told over and over again they have no Navy or Air Force as if that is supposed to be really significant.

So again how is it they still control the strait?

It's like they had a plan in place our intelligence had no idea about? That's doubtful.

We were told Iran has capitulated and Trump celebrated on Truth Social. That Mission Accomplished lasted one day.

So now our reactionary plan for it being closed is a blockade of our own! Seems all well planned?

Our intelligence advised against this. Caine advised against this. Vance didn't like this. Tulsi wasn't included because she probably didn't like this. Kent already quit because he didn't want this and he came out with that.

This decision was solely Trumps based on Bibi's "intel" and briefing.

I've said before, it's not hard to shut down the straight. Mines, Drones, Pirates... They strike 1 ship and everything goes to a standstill.

Start putting the pieces together. Where are the Epstein files? Where is all the corruption that was going to get exposed? Why aren't people in jail for any of this crazy **** that has happened? It's just not there? What happened?

No new wars! We're ending wars! and out of no where we're bombing Iran's nuclear facilities. It's all done now, no more ability to make nukes... Bibi shows up again wanting more war with Iran. No one on trumps admin believes a word of it, but Trump is pulling the ****ing trigger again.

Who the **** is pulling the strings? What happened that made Trump call the Epstein files nonsense? Why did we reverse course on all of his campaign promises including no new wars?

Take off your blue and red colored glasses and just be objective with both parties. Some of you are so ****ing sold out to one side it hurts my heart that there are so few objective people. Eventually you have to open you eyes and see that Trump is compromised and he isn't worth a **** either.

Edit: Sorry - I replied to you but it curtailed into a rant that isn't really directed at you. Just frustrated with some of the stuff I read on this and other threads.



As a Trump voter who regrets my decision with more frequency every week , I'm with you. You're right.

So...... Kamala.


No...... Rand Paul or Thomas Massie.

So..... Kamala.

No...... Rand Paul or Thomas Massie. Or in other words, anyone who is actually fiscally conservative and socially liberal and wants to shrink the size of government at every level. A vote for a big government Republican like Trump, Rubio, Vance, etc. is the same as a vote for Kamala.

That would lose to Kamala.

I like Rand and Thomas, too.

And Cruz was a top pick in 2016.

But none of those could fight the machine like Trump could and win.

So...... Kamala.

Edit: You add to say Kamala is same as Trump.

Can't argue with stupid.

 
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