*** New Aggie Head Soccer Coach Search Thread ***

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Apologies for hurting your feelings and making you feel like you need to lash out. Maybe think before you post and then read it before sending it.
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Didn't hurt my feelings a bit, brother. I'm just always amazed at how angry people get when they come to a sports message board and read opinions that differ from their own. It's a fascinating thing.
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how did we get infected with premium billy bois?
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Here's something that nobody has mentioned….the likelihood that the UCLA coach reached out to Texas. There is no way CDC decided he was going to fire their coach one day and then starting the search from scratch and on the clock proceeded within 24hrs to get a coach that was a major coup and that nobody knew was even available. He either knew he was going to let the coach go well prior the the end of the season and put feelers out to a wish list and got a lucky hit OR the coach had her agent come up a list of possible top notch targets and approached Texas, knowing that when faced with the opportunity to get a hot up and coming, national championship winning coach would jump at the opportunity and move the current coach on at the end of the season.

I'm pretty sure G had performance goals agreed to with Trev after last year, knowing that if he didn't reach them he would have the opportunity to "retire" or if he found magic in a bottle he might get another contract. I think others have said he was pretty vocal about originally WANTING to return. We know how it ended. Give Trev a little credit for many of the same reasons already mentioned and know that the timing was just different for tu's new hire. AND also note that the UCLA coach probably didn't approach A&M as a wish list school, but who knows for sure, maybe she did and Trev really did want to give G his opportunity to meet his goals and therefore couldn't commit early enough to snag her. Whatever that does or doesn't say about the desirability of the A&M job I'll let yall figure out.
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ColoradoMooseHerd said:

Giggem said:

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taylorswift13_ said:

I told you all months ago they were looking hard at Eric Bell

Do you think Texas talked to Bell too and decided on the UCLA coach instead? Did Bell not even take the call? If they really were looking hard at Bell, I am just wondering if this is potentially an indication that he isn't interested in leaving TCU.


Would you take bell over Marguerite? I don't think anyone on this board would…if they are being honest

When it comes to coaches, del conte looks to make big splash hires…for better or worse.

No--there's zero chance I'd prefer Bell over a young coach who has already taken a team to a national championship and has an 80% win rate.

Bell and Higgi as a coaching team have clearly been taking steps to get better and better over the last several years. It's been paying off. They're good. But no, I'd take the NC-winning young coach every day of the week.


Remember one coach took over UCLA, which had already won a national championship within the last 10 years over taking over the program and had played for the national championship several times in the last 20 years.

The other coach took over TCU, which had never had much success in soccer and built the program into an elite program from the ground up.


Well, Del Conte was the AD who hired Bell at TCU. And, Del Conte is the AD who poached the UCLA head coach to take over at Texas. So, maybe Del Conte knows what to look for in a soccer head coach.
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aggiesccr99 said:

Here's something that nobody has mentioned….the likelihood that the UCLA coach reached out to Texas. There is no way CDC decided he was going to fire their coach one day and then starting the search from scratch and on the clock proceeded within 24hrs to get a coach that was a major coup and that nobody knew was even available. He either knew he was going to let the coach go well prior the the end of the season and put feelers out to a wish list and got a lucky hit OR the coach had her agent come up a list of possible top notch targets and approached Texas, knowing that when faced with the opportunity to get a hot up and coming, national championship winning coach would jump at the opportunity and move the current coach on at the end of the season.

I'm pretty sure G had performance goals agreed to with Trev after last year, knowing that if he didn't reach them he would have the opportunity to "retire" or if he found magic in a bottle he might get another contract. I think others have said he was pretty vocal about originally WANTING to return. We know how it ended. Give Trev a little credit for many of the same reasons already mentioned and know that the timing was just different for tu's new hire. AND also note that the UCLA coach probably didn't approach A&M as a wish list school, but who knows for sure, maybe she did and Trev really did want to give G his opportunity to meet his goals and therefore couldn't commit early enough to snag her. Whatever that does or doesn't say about the desirability of the A&M job I'll let yall figure out.


No one mentioned it because it's so laughably ridiculous.

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I think the fact that we have yet to name a hire is GREAT news. It isn't any of Lenard, or Stone, or Lie, or Hale, or Hudson, or Sanchez (all who were rumored and all who would be various degrees of disappointing). Or else we already would have announced it and they'd be getting to work.

Our top target is clearly somebody still in the tourney. So for all practical purposes that narrows it down to three names - Van Dyke, Bell, or Higgy.

Higgy would be an awful hire. He does quite well in his role as Bell's right hand guy, but isn't incredibly well liked.. Can't imagine it's him.

Bell would obviously be outstanding, but I don't think he's leaving.

So, Van Dyke it is. I can get behind that, though I am not sure her resume is much more impressive than many of the above names. But apparently both Florida and UCLA also want her. So she appears to be quite well thought of and sought after. Don't think I have ever seen a Washington game. Anybody know their style of play?
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Which part are you talking about being laughable? Since I wrote this I went over to checkout the bigsoccer.com boards and there is info that further supports the first paragraph. That being that texas had everything worked out with Bates by September. This clearly means contact was started prior to the current season. Another poster also stated that sometime prior to this, Bates also did indeed have contact with Trev as well, to the point that she was also top of his list at some point once the G situation was nailed down. So both AD's knew last summer that Bates was going to be available after this season with almost no one else knowing this? Yet another poster mentioned the "dark arts" that must have been required to keep that quiet for that long and what was the UCLA AD doing this whole time. He had to have known. But like everybody else he also knew that California athletic departments are in shambles financially and specifically that Bates was not taking to the B10 travel very well either. All that info still leads me to believe that she was possibly the one that initiated first contact with CDC and Trev at some point. Trev could not commit at that early time given G's contract and performance goals still being a possibility at that early juncture while CDC had the freedom to make that decision much earlier.

At least tell me what parts are laughable and why.
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I see that Hale and Lenard were both seen on A&M campus Monday afternoon…take it with a grain of salt.
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A little quick in your draw there to exclude at least Lenard. Baylor just lost on Sunday so Monday would have been her first chance for a face to face with Trev and she was indeed likely seen on Campus on Monday. Or maybe it is Bell or Van Dyke. Who knows at this point. It'll happen when it happens. My head hurts.
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Ags overreacting or venting to anything the sips do is BAS at its finest. Guy on the VB board is also doing it.
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I do love the narratives people people follow when hiring a new coach. I've done it as well. "We need [insert what ever straw you're grasping at] to save our program."

Who knew that the football program needed an overweight, former Duke coach to lead us to heights we've rarely seen?
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some are getting too worked up about soccer coach I dont think theres many elite options out there that would move away from their program. Eric Bell is good but he hasn't made is far most of the years hes been at TCU but can make it the furthest this year if he beats vandy. I hope we tried taking a coach from out of state that has had more success than he has in 14 season as head coach at tcu. My top options would be the stanford or UNC coach but those two schools are always top of soccer most years
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Yeah I'm just thrilled we will be under new leadership and we'll begin a new era of Aggie Soccer, have some faith
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Quote:

Summary: Top Most Realistic Fits for Texas A&M
If A&M wants a realistic, high-upside hire who will accept the job, my top 5 would be:
[ol]
  • Chris Watkins (Gonzaga)
  • Ben Waldrum (Pitt)
  • Joel Wheaton (Brown)
  • Kia McNeill (Boston College)
  • Todd Yelton (Samford)
  • [/ol]
    These five offer the best mix of:
    consistent NCAA success
    recruiting chops
    proven culture building
    high likelihood of accepting an A&M offer

    Just for grins, here's what ChatGPT thinks. Waldrum I think is the only one that has been previously mentioned.
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    It's pretty obvious that Aozasa was looking around in the offseason (mainly due to UCLA's financial woes) and connected with Del Conte. That's his MO he locks coaches up long before any official coaching search begins (see Schloss). He has no problem tampering with coaches and doing whatever he can to land elite coaches. I'm not sure Trev was even in the mix for her because that's not the way he does business. It could end up being a huge hire for them but there's no guarantee. Let's see how she recruits in state.

    There shouldn't be any panic in this hire for Trev. He should take his time and get it right. We cannot afford to make a bad hire and end up like Florida has for the past 5 years or so. There are no home run hires out there that are attainable without paying some insane amount of money. I'm fine with either a Morrison type hire or an established hire. I really don't want to go the assistant route though, this is too big a job for that risk. I'd like a proven winner either from the pros or college. I think Bell or Hale could be really good hires. Hale has done of the best jobs in the nation with Arkansas over the last 10 years, building that program into an SEC powerhouse. The knock on him is the lack of postseason success. Bell also has established TCU as a very good program and is on the brink of a College Cup. I do like his style of play and he usually outcoached G when we met on the field. Just not sure whether he'd take the job at this point, but probably will depend on the commitment by TCU financially for the program. Van Dyke is an intriguing option and she's had some success at Washington. I'm not completely sold on her but she would be a good option. She's also on the brink of a College Cup appearance. Would like to see what she could do with elite level talent.

    My biggest concern isn't even the coaching hire, it's the commitment to NIL for the program. We have an advantage with full scholarship commitment, but without the additional NIL, it's going to be difficult to compete for a national title. Even G mentioned A&M was dead last in NIL in the SEC, that is unacceptable. Here's to hoping we have some big donors willing to fund it and build an elite roster full of talent. It doesn't take much to do this in women's soccer, probably only $300K or so. A&M needs to address facilities as well, but with success that will come much easier.
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    I think most people on here are still living in the early 2000's up until about 2015. It's been about 10 years since we have been a consistent top 15 team in the nation. We've been good enough to make the tourney and maybe win a game, but haven't fared much better than basketball has the last 10 years with these last five years being really rough. Many of these 14-17 year old girls never saw the good old days of Aggie soccer. Heck, I know of around 10 families with Aggie ties and whose girls grew up going to A&M camps with highly regarded recent recruits who didn't seriously consider A&M.

    We need to find someone who can rebuild the program and build it the right way. To do that, Trev will also have to commit some of the Revenue Sharing/NIL money. Most programs are trying to figure it out but places like FSU, Texas and other SEC schools (heck - even some Big 12 and Big 10 schools) jumped on board early and have been able to attract some of the better recruits. Places like Stanford, Duke, UNC have all been a little slower in heading that way but they have the reputation and are beginning to make better commitments. Fully funding the program with scholarship will get you a team who will be a bubble NCAA team each year - not one who will make a serious run at a college cup. To get there, you have to be able to recruit difference makers.

    Texas A&M used to be the only real program in Texas who had some success in the NCAA tourney. This year Tech, Baylor, TCU all made it at least a couple rounds deep and Texas won the SEC last year and has a good young core to build from. The good news is our football team seems to have turned a corner and that always helps with secondary sports recruiting.

    I know Trev reached out to many of the bigger names out there, but I'm not positive our program (even with the camp money and facilities) is at a stage to be able to attract one of those names. Many of them have worked years to establish their programs and aren't at a place in life where they want to start over. I think our best bet is to find someone from the west coast looking to get out of that area because of the lack of support and funding or to find an up and comer who has shown the ability to build a program and play a style that can attract top recruits. My current money would be on Van Dyke or Lenard. Even though I think Lie would do a really good job here as well.

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    HiddenAg2 said:

    It's pretty obvious that Aozasa was looking around in the offseason (mainly due to UCLA's financial woes) and connected with Del Conte. That's his MO he locks coaches up long before any official coaching search begins (see Schloss). He has no problem tampering with coaches and doing whatever he can to land elite coaches. I'm not sure Trev was even in the mix for her because that's not the way he does business. It could end up being a huge hire for them but there's no guarantee. Let's see how she recruits in state.

    There shouldn't be any panic in this hire for Trev. He should take his time and get it right. We cannot afford to make a bad hire and end up like Florida has for the past 5 years or so. There are no home run hires out there that are attainable without paying some insane amount of money. I'm fine with either a Morrison type hire or an established hire. I really don't want to go the assistant route though, this is too big a job for that risk. I'd like a proven winner either from the pros or college. I think Bell or Hale could be really good hires. Hale has done of the best jobs in the nation with Arkansas over the last 10 years, building that program into an SEC powerhouse. The knock on him is the lack of postseason success. Bell also has established TCU as a very good program and is on the brink of a College Cup. I do like his style of play and he usually outcoached G when we met on the field. Just not sure whether he'd take the job at this point, but probably will depend on the commitment by TCU financially for the program. Van Dyke is an intriguing option and she's had some success at Washington. I'm not completely sold on her but she would be a good option. She's also on the brink of a College Cup appearance. Would like to see what she could do with elite level talent.

    My biggest concern isn't even the coaching hire, it's the commitment to NIL for the program. We have an advantage with full scholarship commitment, but without the additional NIL, it's going to be difficult to compete for a national title. Even G mentioned A&M was dead last in NIL in the SEC, that is unacceptable. Here's to hoping we have some big donors willing to fund it and build an elite roster full of talent. It doesn't take much to do this in women's soccer, probably only $300K or so. A&M needs to address facilities as well, but with success that will come much easier.


    What does "tampering" with a head coach mean? It's not like there's a transfer portal window for them! LOL
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    Well spoken
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    Lenard's contract extended by Baylor.
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    AggiesFight said:

    Lenard's contract extended by Baylor.


    I ain't mad about that
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    Agreed in totality, especially but unfortunately about the state of the program and its reputation among current HS players. I would argue that even if you include every year the program has been in existence. What have we really accomplished? We have been to the College Cup ONCE people! During our heyday we still didn't make past the Sweet 16 often except the one time mentioned and a few others. Our strength was our consistency during the season and getting into the tournament but I would argue that in the pre-2015 era we generally did not find successful results in the tourney that matched the quality of our squad or our dominance in possession % and shots vs. and that continued all the way until the squad disintegrated before our eyes. The things we have going for us is the scholarship situation, salary potential and overall program budget but is NOT our historical success at this point. Some of the views espoused here about the glory days are remembering things a little too fondly. We are not a UNC, Santa Clara, UCLA, Stanford, etc……..

    For those hoping for rev share, that is a closed door for now. Trev and the athletic department are going to have to work hard to create NIL money somehow because dead last in the SEC isn't going to cut it for attracting top recruits much less a true top tier proven elite coach away from wherever they are at nor allow the new coach to find success as fast as some on this forum will demand.

    The good news is that can all change on a dime these days with the right coach and funding so I have no problem with Trev taking his time to get the right fit.
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    love the passion here! let's not fight amongst ourselves because tu made a bold and unpredicted move while trev is getting ready for friday. leonard is off the board. heard she was offered the job but baylor stepped in to keep her! where do we turn? love what i'm hearing about lie. conference title and championship game in back 2 back years! success prior at xavier! i'm on board with that!

    please, please trev, don't try to sell us on strader! we may have to riot if that occurs!
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    While I can see it in the realm of possibility that Lenard was met with, I find it very hard to believe we offered and she turned us down. Baylor resources, scholarships, NIL are lesser than what we have to offer.
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    Did Kennedy Clark play on Nate Lie's Xavier team in 2023?
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    Yes
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    That's exactly why I would like Bell. His teams play my preferred style.
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    AggiesFight said:

    Lenard's contract extended by Baylor.

    And they did this without a sitting AD..... that surprises me
    peace....jessexy
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    Lie would be an excellent hire. His staff's attack-oriented approach especially the master-class level understanding of xG, attacking patterns, and finishing is a legitimate differentiator. Pair that with Strader's defensive mindset and you suddenly have a complete, balanced coaching package. Plus, Strader keeps the California pipeline alive, which helps counter UT's newly expanded access to the West Coast.

    Another key factor: Nate Lie is financially astute from his early career in the finance world. He understands the competitive dynamics between the SEC and Big 12 and knows how to navigate the NIL/revenue-share/scholarship marketplace. Like Lenard, institutions will fight to retain him, and any pursuit of Bell or Lie won't come cheap.
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    DragonAGDawg said:

    Lie would be an excellent hire. His staff's attack-oriented approach especially the master-class level understanding of xG, attacking patterns, and finishing is a legitimate differentiator. Pair that with Strader's defensive mindset and you suddenly have a complete, balanced coaching package. Plus, Strader keeps the California pipeline alive, which helps counter UT's newly expanded access to the West Coast.

    Another key factor: Nate Lie is financially astute from his early career in the finance world. He understands the competitive dynamics between the SEC and Big 12 and knows how to navigate the NIL/revenue-share/scholarship marketplace. Like Lenard, institutions will fight to retain him, and any pursuit of Bell or Lie won't come cheap.


    Hi Nate- would you rather coach at the ascendancy of a program or at its decline?
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    King Koda said:

    I think most people on here are still living in the early 2000's up until about 2015. It's been about 10 years since we have been a consistent top 15 team in the nation. We've been good enough to make the tourney and maybe win a game, but haven't fared much better than basketball has the last 10 years with these last five years being really rough. Many of these 14-17 year old girls never saw the good old days of Aggie soccer. Heck, I know of around 10 families with Aggie ties and whose girls grew up going to A&M camps with highly regarded recent recruits who didn't seriously consider A&M.

    Well I've followed the program since early 2000s and seen almost every team in person many times each season. I can tell you we were a Top 15 program up until 2020 when we reached the Elite 8. We bounced around between 2nd Round and Elite 8 for 20 years. We had a few teams that badly underachieved like 2007 and 2017. We certainly should have at least played for a national title during that stretch. G had a good program going, but starting in 2021 a string of injuries every offseason just handicapped teams during the season. It was unreal the amount of talent that never even played at A&M because of it. However, recruiting dropped off and there was a sense among prospects in the state that the program was in decline, which it was. That's what ended the G era, albeit a few years too late.

    Again, this is chance for Trev to get this hire right and get the proper NIL funding needed to compete at a high level again.
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    aggiesccr99 said:

    Agreed in totality, especially but unfortunately about the state of the program and its reputation among current HS players. I would argue that even if you include every year the program has been in existence. What have we really accomplished? We have been to the College Cup ONCE people! During our heyday we still didn't make past the Sweet 16 often except the one time mentioned and a few others. Our strength was our consistency during the season and getting into the tournament but I would argue that in the pre-2015 era we generally did not find successful results in the tourney that matched the quality of our squad or our dominance in possession % and shots vs. and that continued all the way until the squad disintegrated before our eyes. The things we have going for us is the scholarship situation, salary potential and overall program budget but is NOT our historical success at this point. Some of the views espoused here about the glory days are remembering things a little too fondly. We are not a UNC, Santa Clara, UCLA, Stanford, etc……..

    6 Elite Eights, 7 Sweet Sixteens and 1 College Cup is pretty good over 20 years. That's factually 1 Top 5, 6 Top 10, and 7 Top 15 finishes. I'm no G apologist but that's a pretty solid run of success.

    No, we're not UNC, UCLA, Florida St, or Stanford, but we were one of the better programs in the country during that 1999-2020 stretch for sure. Now the question is do we have the desire to reach that type of success again or even surpass it? NIL will be a big part of it if we do.
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    HiddenAg2 said:

    aggiesccr99 said:

    Agreed in totality, especially but unfortunately about the state of the program and its reputation among current HS players. I would argue that even if you include every year the program has been in existence. What have we really accomplished? We have been to the College Cup ONCE people! During our heyday we still didn't make past the Sweet 16 often except the one time mentioned and a few others. Our strength was our consistency during the season and getting into the tournament but I would argue that in the pre-2015 era we generally did not find successful results in the tourney that matched the quality of our squad or our dominance in possession % and shots vs. and that continued all the way until the squad disintegrated before our eyes. The things we have going for us is the scholarship situation, salary potential and overall program budget but is NOT our historical success at this point. Some of the views espoused here about the glory days are remembering things a little too fondly. We are not a UNC, Santa Clara, UCLA, Stanford, etc……..

    6 Elite Eights, 7 Sweet Sixteens and 1 College Cup is pretty good over 20 years. That's factually 1 Top 5, 6 Top 10, and 7 Top 15 finishes. I'm no G apologist but that's a pretty solid run of success.

    No, we're not UNC, UCLA, Florida St, or Stanford, but we were one of the better programs in the country during that 1999-2020 stretch for sure. Now the question is do we have the desire to reach that type of success again or even surpass it? NIL will be a big part of it if we do.

    That's very impressive but only one elite eight (Covid year with limited tourney) and one other sweet 16 since 2015. Very impressive first twenty years of the program (Top 10 type program). The last ten years have been a Top 30-50 program and the last five a Top 75 program. The only All-American we've produced in the last 10 years is Ally Watt. In the first 20 years we had one just about every year. If you said from 1999 to 2015 we were a Top 10 program, I wouldn't disagree with you. Since then, it's been a steady decline. We ended the season ranked in the top 25 every year from 1996-20014 and then only twice since then.
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    Nate is confident in his approach, and he would finally have the resources he didn't have at Xavier and to a degree, even at Kansas. To be clear, he is well-supported at KU and is highly regarded by a very engaged and supportive AD. Kansas' administration has backed the women's program, and they would almost certainly counter or proactively extend him, similar to what Baylor just did for Lenard.

    That said, I don't think Nate would shy away from a rebuild he's already in the middle of one. My read is that he's extremely loyal, and his family is just getting settled in Kansas, which matters. But it's also very hard to compare Kansas and Texas A&M when it comes to infrastructure. One visit to A&M's nutrition center or performance complex can change your perspective fast. Those facilities and the fully integrated athlete support system can lock a coach in pretty quickly.
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    LOL

    Some of you need to learn to just hit the reply button instead of the quote reply button.

    Don't need seeing monologues over and over.

    And you especially don't need to quote reply if the post you are replying to is right above your response.
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