Rockets targeting Howard AND Paul?

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6:04p, 6/10/13
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That's pretty amazing about J O'Neal. If this was his 18th season, and he entered the NBA at the age of 18, he's spent half his life as an NBA player.

A team could do worse than having O'Neal as their backup.
Probably could do better.
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6:23p, 6/10/13
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You can't use your cap space + mid level exception. One or the other.

Look up the latest CBA. They added a new ROOM exception for teams with cap space.
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8:40p, 6/10/13
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Still, your proposal kinda sucks to be perfectly blunt. No better than a 4th seed on the upside. Howard may not win us a championship, but at least on the upside if he performs to his potential as a top 3 player in the league ajd the best center by a wide margin, that at least makes us a contender in the West.
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10:53p, 6/10/13
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11:27p, 6/10/13
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People saying to pass on Howard who do you want the rockets to sign? I want no part of Josh smith or Al Jefferson
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7:31a, 6/11/13
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Still, your proposal kinda sucks to be perfectly blunt. No better than a 4th seed on the upside. Howard may not win us a championship, but at least on the upside if he performs to his potential as a top 3 player in the league ajd the best center by a wide margin

I think the part in bold is the key issue. It depends on how likely the part in bold is. I think if what you're getting is the Howard from the last 2 years (which is very possible), then I think a good argument can be made that going in another direction leads to a better roster and team. But hey, if the rockets and their fans want Howard and all the baggage that comes with it, then more power to them.
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7:56a, 6/11/13
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Sure, it's a gamble. But as a fan of a team who has advanced past the first round exactly once since 1997, I'd rather gamble on a potential championship contender rather than a team who'd max out at the Denver Nuggets strata.
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8:24a, 6/11/13
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I don't think Howard was as bad last season as people like to describe. He still led the league in rebounding, tied for the league lead in points/shot, and was top 5 in blocks. He was just in a horrible system for his skills and obviously wasn't 100% early on. Only getting 10.7 shots/game, 10th among centers, is pretty ridiculous.
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9:02a, 6/11/13
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Three teams fined for tampering
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The Atlanta Hawks say they were one of the three teams, saying that they "fully understand and respect the NBA's decision."

ESPN.com has also learned that the Houston Rockets were also fined what one source called a "small" amount. The identity of the third team fined was not immediately known.

The memo, according to USA Today, indicated the league fined the three teams because of respective "statements by a team employee to the media, a team email to prospective season ticket purchases, and articles posted online on a team website, each related to players who are currently under contract to other teams but who will become free agents this summer.

Did any of yall see anything on the Rockets website in the past few days that would be considered tampering?
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9:27a, 6/11/13
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Fair enough. If you want either Howard or Paul, I would think for the Rockets Paul actually makes more sense and gets you closer to contender status. The Rockets need an upgrade at PG much more badly than they need an upgrade at C.
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9:43a, 6/11/13
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If you want either Howard or Paul, I would think for the Rockets Paul actually makes more sense and gets you closer to contender status.


100% disagree. The Rockets have James Harden who is a guy that needs the ball in his hands.

Combine a good post with a great wing and you have a blueprint for winning.

Shaq/Kobe
Duncan/Parker
Kareem/Magic
Malone/Stockton
Malone/DrJ
Hakeem/Clyde

How many teams with a star PG/star SG have won a title?

With how the Rockets are built now, the ideal second star would be a PF. But there isn't a great PF available. And before someone says Josh Smith, know that he plays more out on the wing than down low or high post and his game is predicated on athleticism and he has been in the league for 9 years/700 games. Basically a higher-flying version of Chandler Parsons without being able to shoot, but shooting anyway.
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10:20a, 6/11/13
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what soup said

the only options I'd take are:

Al Jefferson
Millsap
David West
Dwight

We dont need a PG
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10:22a, 6/11/13
I think the Rockets should go after Al Jefferson.
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10:25a, 6/11/13
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James Harden who is a guy that needs the ball in his hands.

Not sure then how Howard helps in this regard. Howard wants the ball and wants a lot of shots and will whine and pout and ***** and complain if he doesn't get it, unlike Asik who is prefectly content with protecting the rim and grabbing boards and leftovers.

Paul on the other hand is a PG who understands and is willing and able to distribute the basketball very efficiently. And it would help harden tremendously if he had a PG who could do some of the heavy lifting and get him easier shots so he doesn't have to do all the work, like he had to this year. It would cut his turnovers, he would shoot a higher %, and become a more efficient player.
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10:36a, 6/11/13
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And before someone says Josh Smith, know that he plays more out on the wing

This would fit the Rockets style perfectly actually. The rockets are now a run-and-gun team that shoots 3's. Josh Smith would be very happy playing that style and would gladly jack up seven 3's a game. And maybe encouraging him to do that would motivate him to improve his shooting even more.
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I think the Rockets should go after Al Jefferson.

Were the rockets even on TV this year? Is anyone actually paying attention to what the Rockets are trying to accomplish? Morey is embracing analytics to the fullest extent. The rockets are now a run-and-gun team who shoot a ton of 3's. And they need to improve defensively. Al Jefferson would be the worst fit, he is slow as hell and can't play defense.
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10:50a, 6/11/13
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The rockets are now a run-and-gun team who shoot a ton of 3's.


You have to embrace what you are good at. You don't pound it down low when you don't have a post player that can catch an entry pass.
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10:58a, 6/11/13
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You have to embrace what you are good at. You don't pound it down low when you don't have a post player that can catch an entry pass.


Yep. Not to mention one that feels the need to bring the ball down to his waist 24/7 instead of going up strong with it. Not naming any names....

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We dont need a PG


LMAO damn right!







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11:11a, 6/11/13
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I think Josh Smith would be a great addition IF they can get Dwight. Smoove by himself would scare me.
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11:29a, 6/11/13
Patrick Beverley can be a starting PG, especially alongside Harden.
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9:07p, 6/12/13
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Maybe it was a slip-of-tongue but Magic said today (via ESPN) Dwight Howard "will" probably enjoy playing in Houston, vs. "would."
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10:28p, 6/12/13
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10:08a, 6/13/13
That would the first thing Magic has ever gotten right on air, so I wouldn't read too much into it.
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11:45a, 6/13/13
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I think if I was the Rockets I'd pass on giving up T-Rob to clear cap space for a max FA like Howard or blowing up the team to add Howard + Paul or Howard + Smith. It's just going to be too difficult to unload Lin.

If I were the Rockets I'd try to add Josh Smith for something like 4 years $70M. Then I would try to trade T-Rob plus future draft pickn ot for cap space, but for an upgrade at PG, like Eric Bledsoe or something like that. Then I would try and use the room mid-level (I think it'll be $2.65M this year) to try and get an upgrade at back-up C, someone like Jermaine O'Neal. Then I would use the 2nd-rd pick this ummer and try to get the best available wing defender/athlete. Then the Rockets could roll out something like this:

C - Asik
PF - J. Smith
SF - Parsons
SG - Harden
PG - from T-Rob trade

Bench:

PG - Beverley/Lin
G/F - Delfino
G/F - rookie draft pick
F - T. Jones
C - J. O'Neal
F/C - Donatas

That would be a more complete roster than gutting everything for Howard, who I'm not sure if he's even worth a max contract anymore.


Please no to any of this. As already mentioned there will be no gutting of roster for Howard. Also JS is not taking anything less than the max.

When you have arguably the best center looking at you as a potential team you do what you can (within reason) to get him here.
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12:11p, 6/13/13
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When you have arguably the best center looking at you as a potential team you do what you can (within reason) to get him here

I guess I'm missing the upside and the value vs. what you're paying. If the rockets sign Howard he will hog at least 1/3 of their cap space for the next 4 years. And what are you getting for that? Do you even want to run your offense through him anymore? He's not a great passer and commits lots of turnovers. Does he consistently go off for 35+ points if you guard him one-on-one like Shaq or Duncan or Hakeem would do in their prime? He's dropped off defensively and his FT shooting has gotten worse. On top of that he's soft mentally and needs constant baby-sitting and coddling. Is he really worth all of that? I'm just not seeing it, I think the Rockets can spend $87M the next 4 years in other ways and get more for their money is all I'm saying.
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3:14p, 6/13/13
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I don't think Howard was as bad last season as people like to describe. He still led the league in rebounding, tied for the league lead in points/shot, and was top 5 in blocks. He was just in a horrible system for his skills and obviously wasn't 100% early on. Only getting 10.7 shots/game, 10th among centers, is pretty ridiculous.
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3:24p, 6/13/13
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I agree with CDH. He looked bad, he has always been a headcase and he isn't going to suddenly sprout great post moves under McHale after spending his entire career working with Hakeem and Ewing. His per36 points and rebounds was his lowest since he turned 21.

DAntoni was a bad system, however he is still coming off major back surgery and major shoulder injuries. That is a bad thing when your game relies on athleticism rather than fundamentals. Duncan, Robinson, Hakeem, Ewing were able to hold on so long because they had fundamentals. Howard doesn't have that. So once he starts slipping athletically, he is going to fall off the shelf.
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3:39p, 6/13/13
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I still think the player we need is Kevin Love. I think he fits this offense really well, and I think he's a nice fit alongside Asik. But he's not a Free Agent until next season, correct?
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3:50p, 6/13/13
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Damn
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3:54p, 6/13/13
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Love is signed through 2016. You can't get him without giving them something nice.

I agree he would be a great pickup. Just worried about how Abdur-Rahim he is. He plays a heck of a lot of empty minutes for a terrible team and has had some injury problems.

Carlos Boozer would fit nicely and Chicago could probably be convinced to trade Boozer+Heinrich for Beverly+Lin+TRob+Royce. All cheap and some upside. Royce would be closer to home and if he doesn't work, you lose a little cash.

[This message has been edited by Guitarsoup (edited 6/13/2013 2:54p).]
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4:17p, 6/13/13
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The Rockets don't have the luxury of NOT taking a chance on Howard. We are too average.
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4:18p, 6/13/13
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Boozer, Josh Smith, Paul Millsap all just make you a little less average, but capped out as a 3/4 seed and not a serious threat for a championship. I'd rather gamble for a roster that COULD be a championship roster than have a predictable middle seed playoff team like Denver.
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4:28p, 6/13/13
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The Rockets don't have the luxury of NOT taking a chance on Howard. We are too average.

I agree, but I also think we are more than one player away from seriously contending. And I'm not sure Dwight's lacking offensive game along with his mental midgetness is the right fit with this team. We are very young. I don't think we want a guy like Dwight Howard as our veteran leadership for these young guys. But it may be a risk that we have to take
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4:35p, 6/13/13
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Summit, that is part of the reason why I think it will end badly.

Rockets are kind of between a rock and a hard place. If you have the opportunity to sign the best center in the game, you have to do it. But I think that best center in the game is the wrong fit and a lot of others do as well.
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