Rockets targeting Howard AND Paul?

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Greg Smith did get some post up opportunities for the Rockets that he didn't totally botch. Given that he started much of the season over DMo and TJ, I would assume he has the inside track to start at power forward. But, I think everybody recognizes that DMo and TJ can do much more for you when they fully tap their potential. Feigen thinks DMo is the most likely starter, and that's a guy who can both shoot the three or post up.
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Edit: not a real source.

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Fake tweet is fake...
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Just read that somewhere else too. Edited my post.
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Rockets and Bobcats leaders for Rondo
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it's not real rumor. Fake rumor
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Haha I saw that post and was like there is no way they pull that off
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is the timer already started for when Rockets fans will turn on this big baby?

i'm sure you'll put up with more crap than lakers fans, especially on the off chance Howard returns to 3-4 years ago form. Kobe has always been heated sure, but Steve Nash is actually one of the most universally liked players in the history of the NBA.

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"That tension came back to the surface when Bryant and Steve Nash met with Howard last Tuesday. Howard came at them hard, telling them how upset he was that they never publicly went to bat for him while he was injured.

He felt like they'd disrespected the effort he'd given by coming back from back surgery so quickly. He felt they had done little to mitigate the criticism he was hearing for his play.

Bryant and Nash were stunned. He'd never told them any of this before, or asked them to defend him publicly. They'd known he was injured and appreciated he came back to play many months before the initial time frame given following his back surgery, but the code among players is that if you don't say anything to your teammates about an injury, it's something you can handle on your own. If you need help, you tell your teammates and they close ranks around you, defending your honor to the public and on the court.

Howard never asked that of his teammates. He'd tried to play his way back into shape after back surgery, and soldiered on after he tore the labrum in his shoulder, even with a long-term contract on the line. But instead of getting credit for such acts, he'd heard constant criticism. And over the course of a long, trying season, that wore on him.

Why weren't people rushing to his defense? Why wasn't he getting credit for playing with so much pain? Was he supposed to ask for help? But if he did, wouldn't that be making excuses?

Looking back on it now, it's easy to see why it became such a toxic situation. But it's also easy to see, once again, how it could've been avoided, with better communication.

Bryant and Nash digested what Howard had to say, and told him they understood him better now. If they tried it all again next season, things would be different. He should come to them with these kinds of issues, instead of letting them fester. They all would learn and grow from this."
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This guy wasn't a fit in LA or with an ******* like Kobe. Period. He'll be much better off in Houston.
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Wasn't a fit in Orlando either.

Tick tock tick tock
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Wasn't a fit in Orlando either.

Tick tock tick tock



Right. The team he carried for 8 years?
Ryan34
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This is a much better assessment of the situation:
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Dwight Howard has an image problem.

An image problem worsened significantly by a move to a new city.

A problem so evident that anyone with a platform to do so is assessing Howard's psyche and offering free advice on how to fix it.

Any of this sound familiar?

It was three years ago right around this time that LeBron James was called everything from a quitter to a loser to a coattail rider to much, much worse, particularly in and around Cleveland.

It has taken three years, two more MVP awards and two championships for LeBron to finally "repair" his image problem.

Howard's experience in the days since he chose to sign with the Houston Rockets rather than stay with the Los Angeles Lakers is beginning to feel eerily similar despite the fact Howard's actual decision-making process was almost free of controversy compared to LeBron's.

Heck, Howard even has a famed hip-hop artist trash-talking him, just as LeBron and the Miami Heat did. LeBron's issues were with Lil Wayne, for something as simple as not saying hello during a game in New Orleans in 2010. Howard's issue is with Ice Cube, who absolutely tore into the now-former Laker during a performance in Los Angeles on Sunday.

Apparently, we've learned nothing in the three years since LeBron's experience.

Instead, many of us are doing it again, analyzing a player and his history so that it matches the stained picture we have of him in our minds.

In Howard's case, his choice to leave Los Angeles supposedly confirms he can't handle pressure, either that of an NBA-crazed fan base or of a franchise with a history of championships anchored by big men.

His choice to leave an offense in which he was regularly a third or fourth option verifies that he's uncoachable.

His decision to not pair up with Kobe Bryant again substantiates the idea that he's soft and doesn't have the disposition of a champion.

Never mind that his one season in L.A. was an injury-riddled, mismanaged mess -- one in which he bore the brunt of the blame because, well, many of the other contributors had rings and/or MVP trophies to validate themselves.

Never mind that most knowledgeable basketball fans watched the Lakers and agreed that Howard wasn't utilized properly under Mike D'Antoni.

Never mind that Howard was still recovering from back surgery and had shoulder problems, only to play 80 games (including playoffs) -- two more than Bryant, 27 more than Pau Gasol and 28 more than Steve Nash.

And never mind that, like LeBron, Howard went to a team that has a better championship outlook than his previous team, both in the short term and long term.

This image problem of Howard's isn't a new experience. Just the latest one.

It's not as if Howard is free of fault here. He did provide plenty of ammunition for these attacks, particularly last season by openly complaining about his role in the offense. Getting ejected from his final game as a Laker didn't help, either.

And going back a season earlier, his beyond-awkward departure from Orlando made it easy to paint Howard as passive and having misguided priorities.

But this choice -- the move from an aging Lakers team with a questionable future to a younger Rockets team with promising prospects -- isn't an indictment of Howard's personality, his desire to win or his ability to play championship level basketball.

It was the wise move.

But he's being called a coward anyway.

Shaquille O'Neal predictably said the decision meant Howard couldn't handle the "pressure" that comes with playing in Los Angeles.

Jeff Van Gundy, more accurately, assumed it was the media criticism, which is far more in your face in Los Angeles than it was locally in Orlando -- or will be in Houston -- that scared off Howard.

"This guy's a great basketball player," Jeff Van Gundy said on ESPN's "Mike & Mike" on Monday. "I just don't think winning has been his top priority.

"And I don't think he loves the scrutiny that comes with a little bit more of a media market that's going to look at his flaws and pick at him. I think he's more comfortable in a more friendly media environment."

Well, let's be honest with ourselves. Who "loves" criticism? Who even likes it?

Of course, it must have felt like an anvil fell on Howard's head every time he did something remotely wrong in Los Angeles, because he spent eight seasons in a much more insulated environment.

It probably felt that way for LeBron his first season in Miami, too.

What LeBron had, though, were allies. Within his own organization, LeBron was shielded from the outside nonsense as much as he could be, keeping him from reacting emotionally.

Howard, on the other hand, must've felt like he was being attacked from all angles, even from the inside.

Jabs from Kobe. Barbs from his head coach.

The unity that Howard longed for -- that he was jealous of the Clippers for having -- wasn't there. So Howard's immaturity got the best of him at times, most notably when he walked around the locker room after a loss telling folks to "look at the stat sheet."

Because, in his mind, he was playing through injury and pain. He was doing his part despite adjusting to an awkward role in D'Antoni's scheme.

Yet the criticism outweighed the praise by several tons.

His former coach, Stan Van Gundy, noticed it. Despite their strange breakup in Orlando, Howard and Stan Van Gundy actually have a good relationship now. They chat via text often, even during Howard's free-agency process.

"If you're going to go out and play with injuries, then you're going to subject yourself to criticism," Stan said. "I think that bothered him a lot. The thing that bothered him more than anything is people questioned his toughness and his desire to play.

"He led the league in rebounding. What did he do? The ball just came to him? A lot of it just doesn't add up."

Stan Van Gundy wasn't surprised at Shaq's comments, saying O'Neal is "unnaturally obsessed with Dwight." And he expected any Lakers fan to agree with Shaq.

"That story was written already," Stan said. "If he decided not to come back to L.A., that was going to be the story they wrote. Because for Laker fans, it's tough to admit the other side, which is, somebody could look at their team and see a team that's not going in a positive direction.

"What, exactly, other than the extra $30 million [that the Lakers could have offered over other suitors], would've been the reason to pick L.A. over the other teams?"

As for his brother Jeff's comments, Stan acknowledged the level of criticism is different in Orlando versus L.A. And the assertion that winning hasn't been Howard's top priority? Stan said if it's true, Howard's not alone.

"I hate to be real controversial, but I'm not sure that winning is the top priority for very many of the stars in this league," he said. "I think it's important to all of them, but as opposed to their numbers, their awards, their legacy, their endorsements, all that, I'm not sure winning is the top priority."

Until something makes it the top priority.

For Howard, maybe this is that something. This experience by which it seems no one outside of Houston believes he's championship material and that his legacy will forever be that of an indecisive, fun-loving, coach-killing, no-ring-having big man.

Because now that he's standing in 2010 LeBron's shoes, even Howard has to recognize that the only way to scrub the dirt off his reputation is to win a championship.

Even if it's an unfair requirement.

"If you want to be appreciated at a certain level as a player -- and I don't think this is fair, but it is this way with the fans and the media -- then you have to win a championship," Stan Van Gundy said. "I think that pressure, all of them start to feel it. It's one of the big reasons LeBron decided to team up with [Dwyane] Wade and [Chris] Bosh."

And, much like Rockets coach Kevin McHale, Stan Van Gundy believes a 27-year-old Howard remains plenty capable of carrying a team to a championship level.

"You can limit him offensively, but to do it you have to give up other things, which is something Kevin McHale alluded to, and he was exactly right," Stan said. "When Dwight runs the floor or Dwight pick-and-rolls and shields in the paint, you either have to commit other people to him and give up shots to guys, or he's going to score … and there's nobody comparable on the defensive end of the floor.

"Let's just say, conservatively, at the worst, he's one of the 10 best players in the league."

That's an objective, intelligent assessment.

But right now, too many prefer the emotional evaluation. The one that has Howard facing the league's most significant image problem since July 2010.


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I would like more details on why the Rockets were just fined 150k .... Wtf?
Simplebay
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Especially considering all the Clippers have said about Chris Paul
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The Houston Rockets won the Dwight Howard sweepstakes, but it'll cost them a bit more than they anticipated.

Sources with knowledge of the decision told ESPN.com on Tuesday that the Rockets have been fined $150,000 by the NBA for unauthorized public comments made by team personnel about Howard during the league's annual moratorium on player business.

Howard verbally committed Friday to sign a four-year, $88 million contract with the Rockets, passing up a $118 million deal over five years to stay with the Los Angeles Lakers and likewise spurning interest from Dallas, Golden State and Atlanta.

Rockets general manager Daryl Morey and coach Kevin McHale were both quoted extensively over the weekend after securing Howard's verbal commitment. Teams are not allowed to publicly treat verbal agreements as done deals until the moratorium is lifted and contracts can be officially signed.

Until Wednesday, teams and players can only verbally agree to terms on new contracts for free agents.


What a ridiculously arbitrary rule. I get that you don't want teams publicly talking about another teams player. But once you are allowed to have contact with that player, and he verbally agrees to a deal, and HE publicly announces his decision (twitter + instagram), the cat is out of the freaking bag.

I have a feeling this is more of a warning shot across the bow at Morey in general. What he's done the past 2 offseasons, between the trades, poison pills deals, and basically playing "lawyer" by exploiting every loophole at his discretion has rubbed some folks in the NBA front office the wrong way. This is their way of trying to bring him down a peg.
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According to Bill Ingram the Rockets want Rondo.

And Dwight's camp has already said no.

Its not even July 10th yet
Sher Thing
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Remember how the predictions went last year?

http://espn.go.com/nba/preview2012/story/_/id/8517161/2012-13-nba-predictions-western-conference-champion


Temper your expectations.
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According to Bill Ingram the Rockets want Rondo.

And Dwight's camp has already said no.

Its not even July 10th yet
thats not true. Damn, I love how you just cry/laugh all day while your "team" falls to the ****ter
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According to Bill Ingram the Rockets want Rondo.

And Dwight's camp has already said no.

Its not even July 10th yet
thats not true. Damn, I love how you just cry/laugh all day while your "team" falls to the ****ter

Its on the internet. It must be true.
HotardAg07
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I can make up rumors too

The Lakers have fired Mike D'Antoni and hired Pat Summit as their head coach. Tweet it out people.
Simplebay
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did i say it was true? in fact i damn near said the opposite.

regardless if it's true, distractions and misnomer clearly follow this guy like the plague, and you rockets fans are too busy plugging your ears to notice
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regardless if it's true, distractions and misnomer clearly follow this guy like the plague, and you rockets fans are too busy plugging your ears to notice

So people tweeting BS rumors about Dwight is somehow Dwight's fault? Brilliant!
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yeah you're probably right this source has no credibility. i mean, it's not like this is the same media outlet/writers Dwight spoke with personally first after calling Morey, giving an exclusive interview after he made his decision.

oh wait. yeah, it's the same.

Mitch/Morey/Kennedy&Ingram. in that order.
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Simple, some made a fake tweet that looks like it was from Bill Simmons that said the Rondo trade rumor. Then some other idiot decided to "report" that Dwight's team is not a fan of that. Then some even bigger idiot, Ingram and simple, decide to combine them all, perpetuate the BS, and take it as another opportunity to knock DH because he didn't choose their team or whatever butt hurt reasons people have to bash the guy.

Why is this crap being manufactured by the media? I'm sure Dwight will have his own screw-ups over time. Maybe the media should let the man sign and create his own controversy instead of just drumming it up on their own.

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The LA asshurt is unbelievable
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The LA asshurt is unbelievable


But but it's the lakers!
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There's plenty of plastic surgeons in LA to reconstruct all their buttholes
25Lighters
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True, LA has gone from butthurt to asshurt. That whole city has been one bleeding vagina, last Friday just exposed them for who they are.
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I wasn't here to predict it, but I knew the lakers would not be top 4 in the west this past year. I asked myself: who's gonna guard Westbrook and Chris Paul. I didn't have an answer.

This being said, we are a way more complete team. We don't suffer from lack of athleticism. We don't suffer from age or lack of depth. Complete different situation Sher Thing
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But I do agree, we shouldn't be top 2 in the west
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OKC, SA, Houston, LAC...all 4 are contenders to win the West. Very hard to predict.
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Don't count out Denver and memphis. Well coached teams with young talent.
concac
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And Golden State.
Houston Summit
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Golden State did very well this offseason. They'll compete as well
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The west is stacked. I heard on the radio over/under wins is at 57.5 wins. The franchise record is 58 in 1994. Last season 55 wins got you the 5th seed
 
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