Kenneth_2003 said:

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Two sets, 1 dead camera woman, a wounded asociate director, and more than a handful negligent/accidental discharges of weapons she was either in possession of had loaded... As well as a handful of other weapons handling and loading safety violations

She should be Hollywoods most unemployed pink hair.

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aTmAg said:

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It can be both a diversity hire and a cheap hire.

Not sure why so many here are trying to discount the diversity angle. Hollywood cancels conservatives all the time. Why would this be the only case where they didn't?

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aggiehawg said:

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aTmAg said:

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It can be both a diversity hire and a cheap hire.

Not sure why so many here are trying to discount the diversity angle. Hollywood cancels conservatives all the time. Why would this be the only case where they didn't?

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Not so sure of that. The production company offered the job to other armorers who turned it down before they landed on her.

Her first job on the Nicholas Cage movie was a similar situation where the production company made numerous inquiries of experienced armorers but no one was available to work during that time period. So they ended up with her.

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aggiehawg said:

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More likely it was because of her Dad. Not what you know but who you know kind of thing. My guess.

From a legal standpoint though, it is looking more and more like a negligent hiring case against the producers and that's just one legal claim against them in an overall wrongful death civil suit.

But negligent hiring can also figure into criminally negligent homicide.

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aTmAg said:

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It can be both a diversity hire and a cheap hire.

Not sure why so many here are trying to discount the diversity angle. Hollywood cancels conservatives all the time. Why would this be the only case where they didn't?

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CCP Joe Veggie said:

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aggiehawg said:

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More likely it was because of her Dad. Not what you know but who you know kind of thing. My guess.

From a legal standpoint though, it is looking more and more like a negligent hiring case against the producers and that's just one legal claim against them in an overall wrongful death civil suit.

But negligent hiring can also figure into criminally negligent homicide.

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So you think Baldwin could go to jail?

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CCP Joe Veggie said:

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aggiehawg said:

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More likely it was because of her Dad. Not what you know but who you know kind of thing. My guess.

From a legal standpoint though, it is looking more and more like a negligent hiring case against the producers and that's just one legal claim against them in an overall wrongful death civil suit.

But negligent hiring can also figure into criminally negligent homicide.

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So you think Baldwin could go to jail?

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Burdizzo said:

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CCP Joe Veggie said:

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aggiehawg said:

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More likely it was because of her Dad. Not what you know but who you know kind of thing. My guess.

From a legal standpoint though, it is looking more and more like a negligent hiring case against the producers and that's just one legal claim against them in an overall wrongful death civil suit.

But negligent hiring can also figure into criminally negligent homicide.

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So you think Baldwin could go to jail?

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Money makes a lot of difference in the quality of your defense team. If Baldwin faces a felony conviction I expect his legal team will find a way to keep him out of jail, but I doubt he loses a lot of net worth between the criminal/civil defense and whatever civil penalty he encounters.

As the saying goes, you may beat the wrap but you won't beat the ride.

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CCP Joe Veggie said:

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aggiehawg said:

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More likely it was because of her Dad. Not what you know but who you know kind of thing. My guess.

From a legal standpoint though, it is looking more and more like a negligent hiring case against the producers and that's just one legal claim against them in an overall wrongful death civil suit.

But negligent hiring can also figure into criminally negligent homicide.

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So you think Baldwin could go to jail?

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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I wonder how much Baldwin will downplay his producer role? Like claim his role was more conceptual/big picture and the other producers were in charge of hiring.

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Tanya 93 said:

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Burdizzo said:

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CCP Joe Veggie said:

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aggiehawg said:

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More likely it was because of her Dad. Not what you know but who you know kind of thing. My guess.

From a legal standpoint though, it is looking more and more like a negligent hiring case against the producers and that's just one legal claim against them in an overall wrongful death civil suit.

But negligent hiring can also figure into criminally negligent homicide.

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So you think Baldwin could go to jail?

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Money makes a lot of difference in the quality of your defense team. If Baldwin faces a felony conviction I expect his legal team will find a way to keep him out of jail, but I doubt he loses a lot of net worth between the criminal/civil defense and whatever civil penalty he encounters.

As the saying goes, you may beat the wrap but you won't beat the ride.

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I googled his net worth

60 million or so.

I could see him spending quite a bit on lawyers and settlements

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torrid said:

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aTmAg said:

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It can be both a diversity hire and a cheap hire.

Not sure why so many here are trying to discount the diversity angle. Hollywood cancels conservatives all the time. Why would this be the only case where they didn't?

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You're making too much of this. Her hiring comes down to two things - cost and as aggiehawg mentioned family connections. I bet family connections play big in the movie industry, much more than personal politics.

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sicandtiredTXN said:

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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I wonder how much Baldwin will downplay his producer role? Like claim his role was more conceptual/big picture and the other producers were in charge of hiring.

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That's going to be tough to do since He not only wrote the script and is funding the project, I'm betting he's listed as the responsible party on the insurance paperwork, who are going to be hell bent on not paying this claim due to the idiocy that was going on.

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aggiehawg said:

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sicandtiredTXN said:

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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I wonder how much Baldwin will downplay his producer role? Like claim his role was more conceptual/big picture and the other producers were in charge of hiring.

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That's going to be tough to do since He not only wrote the script and is funding the project, I'm betting he's listed as the responsible party on the insurance paperwork, who are going to be hell bent on not paying this claim due to the idiocy that was going on.

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Actually, I don't think Baldwin personally invested much if any money up front. His acting fees were likely nominal or even nonexistent and he was going to make his money on the backend. Hence the producer credit.

This movie was never intended to be a big screen movie, other than maybe a few film festivals. It was being made for streaming services. Some of those rights were presold for about 2 million from reports I have seen.

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sicandtiredTXN said:

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aggiehawg said:

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sicandtiredTXN said:

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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I wonder how much Baldwin will downplay his producer role? Like claim his role was more conceptual/big picture and the other producers were in charge of hiring.

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That's going to be tough to do since He not only wrote the script and is funding the project, I'm betting he's listed as the responsible party on the insurance paperwork, who are going to be hell bent on not paying this claim due to the idiocy that was going on.

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Actually, I don't think Baldwin personally invested much if any money up front. His acting fees were likely nominal or even nonexistent and he was going to make his money on the backend. Hence the producer credit.

This movie was never intended to be a big screen movie, other than maybe a few film festivals. It was being made for streaming services. Some of those rights were presold for about 2 million from reports I have seen.

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From what I've read Baldwin and Matt DelPiano who is Baldwin's manager and a former CAA agent started Rust Movie Productions LLC, with seed money obtained from a production loan from BondIt Media Capital, and aa distribution advance from the Highland Film Group. Ryan Smith, Anjul Nigam, Nathan Klingher and Ryan Winterstern are listed as executive producers with only small financial stakes.

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aggiehawg said:

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CCP Joe Veggie said:

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aggiehawg said:

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More likely it was because of her Dad. Not what you know but who you know kind of thing. My guess.

From a legal standpoint though, it is looking more and more like a negligent hiring case against the producers and that's just one legal claim against them in an overall wrongful death civil suit.

But negligent hiring can also figure into criminally negligent homicide.

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So you think Baldwin could go to jail?

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Right now, I can see an involuntary manslaughter charge for Baldwin. Nothing I have seen has been very exculpatory for him. New Mexico law strongly states that the person with the gun in their hands is the one responsible for any harm that results. Doesn't matter if they loaded it or not or believed it was not loaded.

But I haven't seen all of the evidence the Sheriff and the DA have seen. Just because I see a case to be made doesn't mean the DA is seeing the same thing.

But are criminal charges against Baldwin out of consideration? No, Well within consideration, in my view.

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And while it's funny to read (some) legal experts on here opining about how this is not his fault, he was told it was 'cold' etc., we all know the outrage that would be on every air wave if, say, Donald Trump Jr. did something like this to kill a woman.

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aggiehawg said:

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And while it's funny to read (some) legal experts on here opining about how this is not his fault, he was told it was 'cold' etc., we all know the outrage that would be on every air wave if, say, Donald Trump Jr. did something like this to kill a woman.

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As an actor, the question is was it reasonable for him to rely on the AD telling him it was a cold gun?

As a producer physically present with all of the problems with the crew, was it reasonable?

Were he not also a producer, he could skate, in my view, despite the law in New Mexico. But adding the layer of him being a producer, it complicates every analysis.

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Finally, Yahoo News reported on an interview Baldwin did promoting his new flick, comparing it to one of Clint Eastwood's best films. Yahoo News has it . . .

Baldwin compared "Rust" to "Unforgiven" in an interview, telling The Hollywood Reporter he was ready to saddle up for a Western because his skills including "my horseback riding, my gunplay" were "right at my fingertips at all times."

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I've not read anything about how being an actor excuses gross negligence in gun deaths. Have you? The standard of care in handling a weapon/firing it at someone shouldn't be lessened by virtue of being a stupid Hollywood type, imho.

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Baldwin compared "Rust" to "Unforgiven" in an interview, telling The Hollywood Reporter he was ready to saddle up for a Western because his skills including "my horseback riding, my gunplay" were "right at my fingertips at all times."

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aggiehawg said:

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And while it's funny to read (some) legal experts on here opining about how this is not his fault, he was told it was 'cold' etc., we all know the outrage that would be on every air wave if, say, Donald Trump Jr. did something like this to kill a woman.

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As an actor, the question is was it reasonable for him to rely on the AD telling him it was a cold gun?

As a producer physically present with all of the problems with the crew, was it reasonable?

Were he not also a producer, he could skate, in my view, despite the law in New Mexico. But adding the layer of him being a producer, it complicates every analysis.

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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And while it's funny to read (some) legal experts on here opining about how this is not his fault, he was told it was 'cold' etc., we all know the outrage that would be on every air wave if, say, Donald Trump Jr. did something like this to kill a woman.

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As an actor, the question is was it reasonable for him to rely on the AD telling him it was a cold gun?

As a producer physically present with all of the problems with the crew, was it reasonable?

Were he not also a producer, he could skate, in my view, despite the law in New Mexico. But adding the layer of him being a producer, it complicates every analysis.

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Legally... I don't know. In a world of right and wrong I think he's responsible for not checking the weapon personally.

In a much as we're going to load a type of ammunition into a gun I'd insist on inspecting every round personally. It's a loaded gun. It's not, see it's empty. Yes I see it's empty. It's a loaded gun, but loaded with what!

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A_Gang_Ag_06 said:

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I've been around firearms my whole life and still don't understand how something like this happens. I mean seriously, you had one job.

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nortex97 said:

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A_Gang_Ag_06 said:

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I've been around firearms my whole life and still don't understand how something like this happens. I mean seriously, you had one job.

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Pretty safe bet he's never taken a gun safety class from an NRA-certified instructor.

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Emotional Support Cobra said:

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As much as I don't care for him, I think a fine, community service, and forced retirement is acceptable. He was responsible for a bad hire but the 2-factor failure to check the gun as cold was not his fault. The armorer and AD are responsible for the death.

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