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2021-2022 Winter Armageddon

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pretty nasty out here in prosper. much more slippery than a few weeks ago. nearly busted walking down my driveway.
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Here in Plano, we are just now getting above the freezing line per my yard temperature gauges. I'm starting to see a little melt. I'm also now seeing a few cars out on the neighborhood streets. From 8am until now, I didn't see a single car on the road.
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planoaggie123 said:

Agree. Definitely a part but obviously school financing plays a mighty part too.

Dad was a school administrator of a district in Texas...he had a definite (but not full) say in school closings in such events...he would get out on the streets around 4AM and drive around including bridges, etc and report his findings. His findings were to assess the safety for buses to be on the road as well as in general how he believed teachers / parents would fare driving in. His assessment was for safety...not $$$
BINGO.

your AWD subaru may be fine driving down the street to drop off your gremlins... but a giant, 2WD school bus hauling 50 kids is going to have trouble navigating these roads. that's the safety concern.
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How are highways west of Fort Worth?
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In Bedford and was going to Irving and back
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91AggieLawyer said:

nortex97 said:

SoupNazi2001 said:

Swing and a miss by the weather forecasters on this one. Conditions this morning out there are really no different than yesterday morning yet schools and most places closed today.
Definitely not true here. Zero cars so far this am on my ice covered street in Frisco.

Closing stuff keeps people from going onto the road and getting hurt. In nicer school districts a lot of the teachers/staff live outside of the district due to affordability of housing, too. The whole town is basically shut down today.

School district closings have nothing to do with staff. This keeps getting repeated so I guess people just believe it but it isn't true. In 2016, the legislature changed the minimum number of days to a minimum number of hours that could be increased each day by adding minutes on to on other days. School districts that have (or would have by the end of the year) more than the minimum hours don't have to make up snow days nor do they have to ask for a waiver. They also don't have to have school on a day where attendance would be low and they would get a much smaller amount of state funds -- the REAL reason for the closing.
You are just 100 percent wrong, sorry. It also isn't just about the kids getting to school, but also kids and staff/faculty getting home after school. And part of that today also includes that they can't just do early dismissal if conditions deteriorate more than expected because parents then can't just come pick them up by 1 if they are planning to do so at 3 etc, so some staff have to wind up staying no matter what. Frisco was a ghost town yesterday for elementary kids/teachers, though school wasn't cancelled.

Yes, total number of hours factors in, as well, but that is a flexible number with an ability to add hours/days/skip built in snow days most years. The point is, there are options, and I don't think any Texas ISD has lost state funding due to insufficient hours/snow day cancellations in the past 5 years.
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Just checked out the driveway and street in north Fort Worth. Road seemed okay, no ice just wet. My driveway looked identical to the road but was an icy nightmare.

I could see an overpass being a death trap right now, or totally fine like most of the streets. And a few degrees in either direction, or some precipitation, and it's a whole different story.

I wouldn't drive on it right now.
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Jsimonds58 said:

Had to pick up my fiance from her shift at the hospital and bring her back this morning. Roads are way worse in my opinion than the freeze a couple of weeks back, was drifting all over the place this time where as last time it wasn't horrible


I can't disagree with this more. Landed at DFW on Thursday a few weeks ago. Roads were solid ice. I mean solid. Out today by DFW and roads are wet except for bridges and they're not even as bad.
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This one has been more varied on where the precip dropped, and just a little extra precip is making a big difference. Wouldnt be surprised if it's better or worse depending in where you are. This one has more of the black ice wildcard where you aren't sure what is wet vs slick
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They were thick but traction wasn't terrible, was way more difficult to not break traction today
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Jsimonds58 said:

They were thick but traction wasn't terrible, was way more difficult to not break traction today


I could see that argument this morning. Roads are just wet now.
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This morning is what I was referring to haha
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91AggieLawyer said:

nortex97 said:

SoupNazi2001 said:

Swing and a miss by the weather forecasters on this one. Conditions this morning out there are really no different than yesterday morning yet schools and most places closed today.
Definitely not true here. Zero cars so far this am on my ice covered street in Frisco.

Closing stuff keeps people from going onto the road and getting hurt. In nicer school districts a lot of the teachers/staff live outside of the district due to affordability of housing, too. The whole town is basically shut down today.

School district closings have nothing to do with staff. This keeps getting repeated so I guess people just believe it but it isn't true. In 2016, the legislature changed the minimum number of days to a minimum number of hours that could be increased each day by adding minutes on to on other days. School districts that have (or would have by the end of the year) more than the minimum hours don't have to make up snow days nor do they have to ask for a waiver. They also don't have to have school on a day where attendance would be low and they would get a much smaller amount of state funds -- the REAL reason for the closing.


Weren't you the one *****ing about school closings two weeks ago as well?

You need a new hobby.
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An acquaintance of ours died this AM from an icy slip and fall. Be careful out there
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The roads in my neighborhood are drying out even though my weather app says it's 28 still. Hopefully that bodes well for everything being open tomorrow.
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my truck has some water dripping off it even though it says 27... it's all gonna refreeze again. Just need it to get above freezing tomorrow.
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Getting a lot of drip now.

Temp showing 31 at the house.
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Small stream of water running down the roof as the ice is melting off....glad to see...
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Roads in East Dallas are 100% fine.
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Anyone driven DFW to Fort Worth recently?
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Roads are fine in Ft Worth no problems!
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nortex97 said:

91AggieLawyer said:

nortex97 said:

SoupNazi2001 said:

Swing and a miss by the weather forecasters on this one. Conditions this morning out there are really no different than yesterday morning yet schools and most places closed today.
Definitely not true here. Zero cars so far this am on my ice covered street in Frisco.

Closing stuff keeps people from going onto the road and getting hurt. In nicer school districts a lot of the teachers/staff live outside of the district due to affordability of housing, too. The whole town is basically shut down today.

School district closings have nothing to do with staff. This keeps getting repeated so I guess people just believe it but it isn't true. In 2016, the legislature changed the minimum number of days to a minimum number of hours that could be increased each day by adding minutes on to on other days. School districts that have (or would have by the end of the year) more than the minimum hours don't have to make up snow days nor do they have to ask for a waiver. They also don't have to have school on a day where attendance would be low and they would get a much smaller amount of state funds -- the REAL reason for the closing.
You are just 100 percent wrong, sorry. It also isn't just about the kids getting to school, but also kids and staff/faculty getting home after school. And part of that today also includes that they can't just do early dismissal if conditions deteriorate more than expected because parents then can't just come pick them up by 1 if they are planning to do so at 3 etc, so some staff have to wind up staying no matter what. Frisco was a ghost town yesterday for elementary kids/teachers, though school wasn't cancelled.

Yes, total number of hours factors in, as well, but that is a flexible number with an ability to add hours/days/skip built in snow days most years. The point is, there are options, and I don't think any Texas ISD has lost state funding due to insufficient hours/snow day cancellations in the past 5 years.

So these districts SUDDENLY started caring about all this stuff, oh, 5-6 years ago when the law was changed? It isn't like we've just now started having weather days and staff have been living in other cities since at least the 90s, if not before. As far as staff not showing up, you may not have known or realized it, but there are districts that are short staffed now and don't have anywhere near the subs to cover. They just send kids, at least in the jr. highs and high schools, to cafeterias and auditoriums to sit around if their classes can't be covered. An admin is there (hopefully).

Believe whatever you want. I know plenty of school admins and recently retired ones. As far as "worrying" about it, I'm simply pointing out what's going on. 100% wrong? Whatever.
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Sure, ok, whatever bud.
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It could be a little bit of both.
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nortex97 said:

Sure, ok, whatever bud.
We had days just like this as a kid that had school cancellations. It isn't recent.
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JCRiley09 said:

Anyone driven DFW to Fort Worth recently?

Wife drove from dfw to aledo without issue
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91AggieLawyer said:

nortex97 said:

91AggieLawyer said:

nortex97 said:

SoupNazi2001 said:

Swing and a miss by the weather forecasters on this one. Conditions this morning out there are really no different than yesterday morning yet schools and most places closed today.
Definitely not true here. Zero cars so far this am on my ice covered street in Frisco.

Closing stuff keeps people from going onto the road and getting hurt. In nicer school districts a lot of the teachers/staff live outside of the district due to affordability of housing, too. The whole town is basically shut down today.

School district closings have nothing to do with staff. This keeps getting repeated so I guess people just believe it but it isn't true. In 2016, the legislature changed the minimum number of days to a minimum number of hours that could be increased each day by adding minutes on to on other days. School districts that have (or would have by the end of the year) more than the minimum hours don't have to make up snow days nor do they have to ask for a waiver. They also don't have to have school on a day where attendance would be low and they would get a much smaller amount of state funds -- the REAL reason for the closing.
You are just 100 percent wrong, sorry. It also isn't just about the kids getting to school, but also kids and staff/faculty getting home after school. And part of that today also includes that they can't just do early dismissal if conditions deteriorate more than expected because parents then can't just come pick them up by 1 if they are planning to do so at 3 etc, so some staff have to wind up staying no matter what. Frisco was a ghost town yesterday for elementary kids/teachers, though school wasn't cancelled.

Yes, total number of hours factors in, as well, but that is a flexible number with an ability to add hours/days/skip built in snow days most years. The point is, there are options, and I don't think any Texas ISD has lost state funding due to insufficient hours/snow day cancellations in the past 5 years.

So these districts SUDDENLY started caring about all this stuff, oh, 5-6 years ago when the law was changed? It isn't like we've just now started having weather days and staff have been living in other cities since at least the 90s, if not before. As far as staff not showing up, you may not have known or realized it, but there are districts that are short staffed now and don't have anywhere near the subs to cover. They just send kids, at least in the jr. highs and high schools, to cafeterias and auditoriums to sit around if their classes can't be covered. An admin is there (hopefully).

Believe whatever you want. I know plenty of school admins and recently retired ones. As far as "worrying" about it, I'm simply pointing out what's going on. 100% wrong? Whatever.
I bet you're one of these that show up at school boards and think CRT is being taught in schools... when in reality it's a REACH to even say it's in a handful of books in a library with thousands of books.

I digress though... I have family, family friends and other acquaintances all up and down administration at local school districts. Does money change if school happens? Are they having to not make up days because they have enough minutes? Sure.

Is that actually influencing if they're going to have school or not? NO. I swear, some of you think people that dedicate their LIVES to educating and raising your stinking children are the absolute worst people on the planet. These people that are responsible for raising your iPad watching little snots are doing it by choice - think about that. They are stewards of our community.

In before people come in here and ***** about elementary teachers just doing it for the summers off. Say what you're saying to a real teacher or administrator, to their face, and you'll get slapped - and rightfully so.
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Now that's a rant.
ChoppinDs40
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thanks

as a kid of teachers and administrators with family on school boards for years and years... it's crazy what people are like these days.

what happened to respect for the school?
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Drove to Fort Worth and back from Southlake. Did 70mph the whole way. Bridges may refreeze but the roads are dry.
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ChoppinDs40 said:

thanks

as a kid of teachers and administrators with family on school boards for years and years... it's crazy what people are like these days.

what happened to respect for the school?

Can you imagine your parents and the schools you went to trying to teach racism and extremely liberal social views to children? Because I can't.
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Geesh, talk about thread derail.....

I for one don't mind extra notice of school cancelation, even though my youngest is old enough to drive herself and be at home herself.

Always hated the 5am last minute model when they were younger.

Who cares if they err on the safe side. Think they are still a bit gunshy from last year, but what is really the big deal if they call it early and the weather forecast was wrong? I know I would be incredibly upset if they didn't and my teen driver had a wreck in bed weather. Avoiding one injury or wreck is worth it in my opinion.

Why is everything a fing conspiracy or political position statement these days? Are schools perfect, nope. Are they much worse or better than when I went? I honestly don't think so. But the public at large sure sucks more these days. It amazes me that anyone will still be a teacher or work in the education system.
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Pull your kids out of the public schools and put them in private.
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Plano is proceeding with school.....must be the $$$$$

 
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