Saw this on twitter earlier, but El Salvador has a lot of their regulars on this squad
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PatAg said:
Saw this on twitter earlier, but El Salvador has a lot of their regulars on this squad
Doesn't matter. This team rivals France and Belgium in terms of soccer dominance.
Hard to see how Adams, Dest, Pulisic, and Reyna could make this team better.
Not sure what your issue with this squad is given this friendly doesn't fall in a FIFA international window.Look guys... said:
Hard to see how Adams, Dest, Pulisic, and Reyna could make this team better.
Looks like the Olympic squad will be pretty good and have a good chance of qualifying this year for the first time since 2008.
"And liberals, being liberals, will double down on failure." - dedgod
akm91 said:Not sure what your issue with this squad is given this friendly doesn't fall in a FIFA international window.Look guys... said:
Hard to see how Adams, Dest, Pulisic, and Reyna could make this team better.
Looks like the Olympic squad will be pretty good and have a good chance of qualifying this year for the first time since 2008.
I'm being silly. I agree our Olympic squad will be stout If we took our best 11 they could play in the Olympics. We won't see that so guys like this and maybe add Pomykal will be stout.
Would like to see Soto get minutes.
Oops. Subbed in as typing.
I wonder what the story is on th red headed white guy playing for ES.
Not sure if I heard correctly but they have a guy playing for El Salvador who was born in Miami and his brother played for Nicaragua?
ChipFTAC01 said:
I wonder what the story is on th red headed white guy playing for ES.
Soulless gingers have no story.
I had class, but it sounds like there were some good showings.
jeffk said:
I had class, but it sounds like there were some good showings.
Are you sure? I mean really? I didn't think you had class.
Sorry. Back to school joke.
Off the top of my head, Euro-based USMNT players that played in MLS in 2018 or 2019: Tyler Adams, Richie Ledezma, Reggie Cannon, Zack Steffen.Look guys... said:
They ain't gonna play in the Champions league if they're playing in the MLS.
Weston McKennie and Chris Richards, among others, played for the FC Dallas academy, and that isn't even starting to look at foreign born MLS players like Alphonso Davies and Miguel Almiron or other US players who have moved in the past few years like Matt Miazga and DeAndre Yedlin.
So actually, at least some of the players you're dismissing will most likely find themselves playing in Europe in the next few years.
I honestly dont know if you are having an episode, or waht your deal is. EIther you are an idiot who actually thinks MLS is bad, or you are too far the other way and are overcompensating thinking its funny.Look guys... said:
They ain't gonna play in the Champions league if they're playing in the MLS.
fig96 said:Off the top of my head, Euro-based USMNT players that played in MLS in 2018 or 2019: Tyler Adams, Richie Ledezma, Reggie Cannon, Zack Steffen.Look guys... said:
They ain't gonna play in the Champions league if they're playing in the MLS.
Weston McKennie and Chris Richards, among others, played for the FC Dallas academy, and that isn't even starting to look at foreign born MLS players like Alphonso Davies and Miguel Almiron or other US players who have moved in the past few years like Matt Miazga and DeAndre Yedlin.
So actually, at least some of the players you're dismissing will most likely find themselves playing in Europe in the next few years.
Not sure what isn't clear. The MLS doesn't play in the Champions league.
nice try, you're dealing with intelligent soccer fans on this thread. You know what you meant, you are just another guy trying to dismiss anyone who is in MLS as clearly having no soccer future beyond that. Clearly the point of Berhalter's statement was these guys aspire to grow their games and potentially get opportunities in Europe
He already said he doesn't watch the MLS and doesn't know anything about the kids not currently playing in Europe.
Neither does Brazilian, Mexican and Argentinian league. Many of the biggest Champions League stars got their start outside leagues that play in the Champions League. I'm not sure what your point is?Look guys... said:fig96 said:Off the top of my head, Euro-based USMNT players that played in MLS in 2018 or 2019: Tyler Adams, Richie Ledezma, Reggie Cannon, Zack Steffen.Look guys... said:
They ain't gonna play in the Champions league if they're playing in the MLS.
Weston McKennie and Chris Richards, among others, played for the FC Dallas academy, and that isn't even starting to look at foreign born MLS players like Alphonso Davies and Miguel Almiron or other US players who have moved in the past few years like Matt Miazga and DeAndre Yedlin.
So actually, at least some of the players you're dismissing will most likely find themselves playing in Europe in the next few years.
Not sure what isn't clear. The MLS doesn't play in the Champions league.
"And liberals, being liberals, will double down on failure." - dedgod
Currently you have to have passports/citizenship from specific countries to go to Europe before age 18. Until England and Europe relax these standards (England is even more strict for work permits), it's crucial that we continue to develop our MLS academies and the level of play in MLS games, as well as having coaches that will actualy PLAY the youngsters. 18-20 is still plenty young to move to Europe and still greatly develop, but it would obviously be nicer to get them over there around age 15-16.
I'd add that Europe is not some magical kingdom that just boosts the soccer skills of anyone who sets foot on the subcontinent. There's vast differences between leagues and even clubs within leagues. The situation has to be right if the player is going to benefit from the move abroad. Sitting the bench for bottom tier Portuguese club may not bring you the level of training, development, or even exposure that starting regularly for any MLS club (not you, Houston) might. And it should be noted that the bigger clubs in Europe are locked into scouting players in MLS right now. You prove yourself capable as a 17-18-19 year old in MLS, someone is going to be knocking on your door to get your signature. It's not like it used to be 5-10 years ago where this was a can't hack it or retirement league.
To be fair to Houston they just sold their best 2 attacking options this year. Alberth Elis to Boavista and Mauro Manotas to Club Tijuana. But I understand your sentiments.
Haha. I'm a Dynamo fan, so it was said in good fun.
Same here. Got to attend the MLS Cup we won in Dallas. Hooked me for life. Now we are shambles and it hurts to watch.
I'm a recovering Dynamo supporter who now has Austin FC season tickets for 2021 (God willing). Still a fan but it's been tough to watch.
I watched the first half this morning. Nice to see some young attacking players with both technical ability and the desire to get into the box and finish.
Some really good interplay from the youngsters, but goodness El Salvador looked like a team that was only on the field due to threat of violence. 11 players just there so they don't get fined.
Some really good interplay from the youngsters, but goodness El Salvador looked like a team that was only on the field due to threat of violence. 11 players just there so they don't get fined.
Yep, if you have been following the National Team for a while, the corpses of players' careers are littered throughout crappy situations in Europe.jeffk said:
I'd add that Europe is not some magical kingdom that just boosts the soccer skills of anyone who sets foot on the subcontinent. There's vast differences between leagues and even clubs within leagues. The situation has to be right if the player is going to benefit from the move abroad. Sitting the bench for bottom tier Portuguese club may not bring you the level of training, development, or even exposure that starting regularly for any MLS club (not you, Houston) might. And it should be noted that the bigger clubs in Europe are locked into scouting players in MLS right now. You prove yourself capable as a 17-18-19 year old in MLS, someone is going to be knocking on your door to get your signature. It's not like it used to be 5-10 years ago where this was a can't hack it or retirement league.
My point is they have to go to Europe and not stay in the MLS like Zardes, Morris, etc did. That's if they want to play in the Champions league like Dest, MecKenjie, Adams, pulisic, etc.
PatAg said:Yep, if you have been following the National Team for a while, the corpses of players' careers are littered throughout crappy situations in Europe.jeffk said:
I'd add that Europe is not some magical kingdom that just boosts the soccer skills of anyone who sets foot on the subcontinent. There's vast differences between leagues and even clubs within leagues. The situation has to be right if the player is going to benefit from the move abroad. Sitting the bench for bottom tier Portuguese club may not bring you the level of training, development, or even exposure that starting regularly for any MLS club (not you, Houston) might. And it should be noted that the bigger clubs in Europe are locked into scouting players in MLS right now. You prove yourself capable as a 17-18-19 year old in MLS, someone is going to be knocking on your door to get your signature. It's not like it used to be 5-10 years ago where this was a can't hack it or retirement league.
Like Soto. It's not some magical thing that they have to do. If they want to make a living playing soccer and maybe playing on the national team, the MLS is a great place.
If they want to become world class and play with and against the worlds best, they won't get there in the MLS.
Nothing wrong with staying in the MLS and they are still really ducking amazing soccer players.
But we're never going to bet further than we have in the World Cup with mostly MLS players.
Was it just me or did Akinola seem slow?
It looked like Arriola and Mueller seemed much quicker.
It looked like Arriola and Mueller seemed much quicker.
I write Arriola off sometimes, but he has a really clever/tidy/gritty game that would make him a very useful depth guy. If he's the 20th guy on our roster, we are in good shape IMO.
I think it was Jared from Best Soccer Show podcast that said after the game Arriola is this generations Bedoya, I kind of like that assessment. A guy that's not great at anything but really good at everything and somehow just gets it done. Zusi fits in that role as well.H.E. Pennypacker said:
I write Arriola off sometimes, but he has a really clever/tidy/gritty game that would make him a very useful depth guy. If he's the 20th guy on our roster, we are in good shape IMO.
I think Lletget fits that as well.
You should actually look at our previous World Cup rosters, you might be surprised to learn that they are generally not composed of mostly MLS players.Look guys... said:PatAg said:Yep, if you have been following the National Team for a while, the corpses of players' careers are littered throughout crappy situations in Europe.jeffk said:
I'd add that Europe is not some magical kingdom that just boosts the soccer skills of anyone who sets foot on the subcontinent. There's vast differences between leagues and even clubs within leagues. The situation has to be right if the player is going to benefit from the move abroad. Sitting the bench for bottom tier Portuguese club may not bring you the level of training, development, or even exposure that starting regularly for any MLS club (not you, Houston) might. And it should be noted that the bigger clubs in Europe are locked into scouting players in MLS right now. You prove yourself capable as a 17-18-19 year old in MLS, someone is going to be knocking on your door to get your signature. It's not like it used to be 5-10 years ago where this was a can't hack it or retirement league.
Like Soto. It's not some magical thing that they have to do. If they want to make a living playing soccer and maybe playing on the national team, the MLS is a great place.
If they want to become world class and play with and against the worlds best, they won't get there in the MLS.
Nothing wrong with staying in the MLS and they are still really ducking amazing soccer players.
But we're never going to bet further than we have in the World Cup with mostly MLS players.
Good article about the "lost generation" and a coming "golden generation" and the level of prime talent we'll have for 2022 and 2026
https://www.espn.com/soccer/united-states-usa/story/4256235/usmnt-golden-generation-why-pulisicreyna-and-co-are-on-course-to-make-a-run-at-2022-world-cup
https://www.espn.com/soccer/united-states-usa/story/4256235/usmnt-golden-generation-why-pulisicreyna-and-co-are-on-course-to-make-a-run-at-2022-world-cup
Everyone has to go to Europe to play in the Champions League. Neymar had to go to Europe to play in the champions league as well.Look guys... said:
My point is they have to go to Europe and not stay in the MLS like Zardes, Morris, etc did. That's if they want to play in the Champions league like Dest, MecKenjie, Adams, pulisic, etc.
Yes Europe is more challenging but you still need squad players that aren't stars to round out your teams.
"And liberals, being liberals, will double down on failure." - dedgod
I don't follow MLS, but there's no doubt in my mind that the league is becoming a pretty good place for US players to develop.
Consider this... according to Transfermarkt, the average MLS player is worth $1.15 Million. The average Bundesliga 2 player is worth just $700k.
So if iron sharpens iron, if you're a Bundesliga club looking for new players, an MLS prospect is facing higher-caliber players than from the domestic Bundesliga 2.
Looking at median team values amongst top flights is very interesting too. Obviously the Big 5 are better, but the median player value of an MLS club is $31 Million (Philly Union). But just outside the Big 5, MLS looks quite good:
The median player value of clubs in the Portuguese League is just $19 Million; Dutch League, $21 Million - to Jeff's point earlier, these leagues are so top-heavy that on an average weekly basis, being in those leagues means you'll be facing players of lower caliber than MLS. Every now and then, you'll face studs when you play Porto or Ajax, but most of the time, you'll face meh players/teams.
Consider this... according to Transfermarkt, the average MLS player is worth $1.15 Million. The average Bundesliga 2 player is worth just $700k.
So if iron sharpens iron, if you're a Bundesliga club looking for new players, an MLS prospect is facing higher-caliber players than from the domestic Bundesliga 2.
Looking at median team values amongst top flights is very interesting too. Obviously the Big 5 are better, but the median player value of an MLS club is $31 Million (Philly Union). But just outside the Big 5, MLS looks quite good:
The median player value of clubs in the Portuguese League is just $19 Million; Dutch League, $21 Million - to Jeff's point earlier, these leagues are so top-heavy that on an average weekly basis, being in those leagues means you'll be facing players of lower caliber than MLS. Every now and then, you'll face studs when you play Porto or Ajax, but most of the time, you'll face meh players/teams.
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