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Given some of the parenting themes of this show, I think it does make sense that the hosts would be trying to create some way to reproduce/create offspring/however you want to word that, and that perhaps "Christina" is somehow involved in that effort in some way. (Would explain the roommates' loop being all about trying to hook her up with someone.)

So in that sense I could see her being a host but having some human parts maybe?
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You mean other than just build a new one?
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Yeah. Think of Maeve's character and how her whole arc is really anchored in this love she has for a child that she knows wasn't "real." And in the flashback with Caleb where she hacks is limbic system thing about what being truly "free" is like he sees his kid also. There's been a lot of parenting themes in this show, that podcasts talked about it too and how the creators of this show started it after having their first child.

The hosts can create more hosts, but they don't really create offspring that have that same emotional connection, that could be something they're trying to do. Like the one thing humanity can do that they can't, or something?

I dunno, it's pretty far out there but it's Thursday and this thread is slow anyway, haha.
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So, do you think Dolores and Teddy had authentic feelings for each other, after they "woke up?" Or just kind of recycling out their loops? If I recall, Teddy seemed bound to Dolores b/c of the loop but she realized the difference, or something?

With Maeve...same question. It all felt real b/c it was supposed to, even though the park tried to erase it. Residual programming, or authentic? I think the show has tried to convince us it's authentic.

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I dunno for sure, but I think that's the point. I think that's one of the big questions this show asks. Maeve knows it's programmed, but still feels it anyway, so what is "real" anyway?
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TCTTS said:

While pulling those screen shots, I just had another theory...

Seeing as it's looking like Bernard/Stubbs' story might very well be taking place even farther in the future, I'm starting to wonder if this new female character is Caleb's grown up daughter. She looks just like her, and her practicing with the guns (twice) in the first episode almost assuredly wasn't accidental...





Skipped the trailers and didn't read the thread but this was immediately obvious to me the second she came on screen.
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Just caught up. Surprised some of the big answers are coming so early in the season, and I'm betting that's due to complaints from earlier seasons.

Happy to see Teddy back and intrigued to see where we go in Ep 5.
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Would appreciate a few explanations for terms (please be kind, as I'm an Old Ag).

Define a "breach".

Define an "outlier". My best google was:

Occasionally a human breaks out of mind control, is considered an "outlier," and is hunted for sport by hosts like William and others who happen to be in the city. But other than that, killing humans is discouraged.

Would appreciate a little more of an explanation.

Thanks.
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My initial reaction was I didn't like this episode as much as the others. Felt force fed. I'll let it stew and maybe rewatch.
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I didn't think this one was perfect, but at least they are back to big swings. Good set up for the rest of the year.
Can Delores get back to who she was, can the humans rise up, what is Bernard's role in it all?

I assume the final season next year will be the ultimate human vs robots showdown.
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Yeah they were no longer captive to the hosts and could see the world for what it was. So each time that happened they sent hosts out to kill them, called it a game.
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I liked that episode. Ed Harris is awesome in all his scenes. The little skirmish between controlled humans and rebels was silly.

Dolores is more believable when she knows what's going on. The acting of "Christina" is pretty weak, but I almost think that's on purpose. idk
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That was literally exposition city, for basically an entire episode, but I like that everything is out in the open now and on the table. No more questions about what's happening, only questions about what's *going to* happen. I wish they could have found a slightly more plot-forward way to deliver all of that exposition, but it was at least interesting, creepy, and unsettling. I also love that human William looks to potentially be back in the mix, and that host William seems to be turning on Halores in the same way she turned on Dolores. Overall, it definitely set up some potentially great drama and conflict for the final three episodes.
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redline248 said:

I liked that episode. Ed Harris is awesome in all his scenes. The little skirmish between controlled humans and rebels was silly.

Dolores is more believable when she knows what's going on. The acting of "Christina" is pretty weak, but I almost think that's on purpose. idk

Agreed. It had very much the same, cheep/convenient vibe as the riots in the city at the end of last season. Basically, Westworld needs to stop having skirmishes in densely packed urban areas.
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Hey Nav said:

Would appreciate a few explanations for terms (please be kind, as I'm an Old Ag).

Define a "breach".

Define an "outlier". My best google was:

Occasionally a human breaks out of mind control, is considered an "outlier," and is hunted for sport by hosts like William and others who happen to be in the city. But other than that, killing humans is discouraged.

Would appreciate a little more of an explanation.

Thanks.

Last season, Caleb's big arc was his discovery was that he was an "outlier." Rehoboam, the super A.I. that "guided" all of humanity, eventually learned that it had to do something with all of the outliers like Caleb, who weren't as easy to "guide" as the rest of population. For whatever reason, the outliers were harder to tame, be it because of their brain chemistry, or traumas they might have experienced, etc. Either way, to a system like Rehoboam, for all intents and purposes, outliers were "flaws in the code" so to speak. So, the "lucky" outliers, like Caleb, were used as bounty hunters by Rehoboam to wrangle all the other outliers, and then all the wrangled outliers - a few thousand of them - were stored in cryo pods in a Mexican facility that Caleb and Dolores discovered in the second to last episode of season three.

This season, the idea of the "outliers" in humanity is taken to a new level, but is essentially the same "problem"...

- In season three, Rehoboam couldn't tame the outliers, so it identified certain ex-military outliers like Caleb, brainwashed them, and used them to wrangle up all the other outliers and store them away from society.

- In season four, Harloes can't tame the outliers either, but her means of getting rid of them is to use certain hosts - in a game of sorts - to KILL the outliers as sport.

It seems even Rehoboam had a soft spot for human life that Halores obviously lacks. And one would think she would have learned a lesson from Rehoboam, and had an "outlier extraction/elimination" program in place from the jump, but she's at least coming to the same conclusion now, just handling it in a very different way (murder vs cold storage).

This is also presumably why Halores is so interested in Caleb, and has gone through so many Caleb hosts over the past 23 years to try and reach fidelity equal to human Caleb. If she can understand and pinpoint what traits, exactly, make for a human outlier, she can control even them, and finally build the perfect system.

Regardless, big picture, the filmmakers are seemingly making a point to say that humanity can't be tamed, in the same way the hosts couldn't be tamed in the park. Human or host, there will always be those who buck the system, be it Rehoboam's system or Halores', and break free of their loops. In other words, to quote another Michael Crichton property that also took place in a theme park...

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I liked the episode, really good progress with the storyline and they uncovered the backstory for Christina…. At least some of it.

What I did not like was at the beginning when Charolette Hale is messing with the people in the street or when an outlier is getting hunted by another host. Its confusing knowing which is which, robot or human. In a previous episode, Hale referred to the humans as hosts and so everytime the name 'host' is used in the movie, I'm thinking human
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The whole "God is bored" scene did feel a little on the nose to me.
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TCTTS said:

redline248 said:

I liked that episode. Ed Harris is awesome in all his scenes. The little skirmish between controlled humans and rebels was silly.

Dolores is more believable when she knows what's going on. The acting of "Christina" is pretty weak, but I almost think that's on purpose. idk

Agreed. It had very much the same, cheep/convenient vibe as the riots in the city at the end of last season. Basically, Westworld needs to stop having skirmishes in densely packed urban areas.


It reminded me of the Princess Leia chase scene in obi wan
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Help me out in a Westworld for Dummies kinda way. I can't seem to remember Teddy's story. I know that in S1 he and Dolores were tied to each other in their arc but what happened to him in S2-S3 that has enabled him to no longer be controlled like the others.
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Any chance those humans that were placed in cryo might come back into play? If they were previously resistant, perhaps they still are?
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TCTTS said:

redline248 said:

I liked that episode. Ed Harris is awesome in all his scenes. The little skirmish between controlled humans and rebels was silly.

Dolores is more believable when she knows what's going on. The acting of "Christina" is pretty weak, but I almost think that's on purpose. idk

Agreed. It had very much the same, cheep/convenient vibe as the riots in the city at the end of last season. Basically, Westworld needs to stop having skirmishes in densely packed urban areas.
I was expecting them to lose 4-5 people in the skirmish and maybe add the 1 outlier. That is just bad math.
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Robert C. Christian said:

TCTTS said:

redline248 said:

I liked that episode. Ed Harris is awesome in all his scenes. The little skirmish between controlled humans and rebels was silly.

Dolores is more believable when she knows what's going on. The acting of "Christina" is pretty weak, but I almost think that's on purpose. idk

Agreed. It had very much the same, cheep/convenient vibe as the riots in the city at the end of last season. Basically, Westworld needs to stop having skirmishes in densely packed urban areas.
I was expecting them to lose 4-5 people in the skirmish and maybe add the 1 outlier. That is just bad math.


I think the scene was showing us that the rebels will avoid hurting infected humans, even if it jeopardizes the mission. It was 5-6 people trained in hand-to-hand combat holding off 25 random attackers with no skills, weapons, or directions other than "attack these people". It lasted 10 minutes or so. In the real world, I would expect all participants to survive. The hard part is not accidentally maiming or killing one of the attackers.
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You have a guy playing the keyboard until his fingers break and bleed. The crowd would have gone all in to probably kill those rebels. The absurdity is that the rebels didn't get individually overwhelmed by sheer numbers. It was more than 25
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TCTTS said:

redline248 said:

I liked that episode. Ed Harris is awesome in all his scenes. The little skirmish between controlled humans and rebels was silly.

Dolores is more believable when she knows what's going on. The acting of "Christina" is pretty weak, but I almost think that's on purpose. idk

Agreed. It had very much the same, cheep/convenient vibe as the riots in the city at the end of last season. Basically, Westworld needs to stop having skirmishes in densely packed urban areas.


Was thinking about this last night, and Westworld has always had issues with cheesy action on larger sets, doesn't matter the season. Whether it was Dolores robot army in season 2 to now, it's been the same. You can tell the people in charge may understand what makes a good action shot, but they don't understand how to apply it to fit in with the tactics and strategies you would use when fighting as a larger group.
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Another solid episode, it did feel like there was some filler in this one but the layers keep getting peeled back, this show is such a slow burn. I really loved the interactions with Hale and William, especially seeing the cracks appearing with Hale in the form of her self mutilation on the arm. Makes you think of the whole concept of if God made man in his image, what does that say about God? Now the hosts are making man in their imagine, who were an image of themselves, the problem with man is becoming their own problem, creation coming full circle.

Unless I'm missing something has it been said that the hosts turned NYC into their own Westworld, or is it just understood?

I'm really looking forward to Maeve being brought back and interacting with Caleb the host.
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Season 1, Peter Abernathy's programming breaks down due to seeing a photo of a city outside of the park, a place that is not in his lines of code. This season the host's programming breaks down from seeing a real object (flower from a weed) that is probably not in their lines of code. I think Maeve is being brought to this new park to broadcast her memories (images outside of the park) from the tower to help the hosts question reality and break free from the programming
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PatAg said:

Any chance those humans that were placed in cryo might come back into play? If they were previously resistant, perhaps they still are?

Granted, it's been 30 years now, but surely they come back into play. I feel like saving them/utilizing them in some way could certainly work to the rebel's advantage.
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Max Power said:

Another solid episode, it did feel like there was some filler in this one but the layers keep getting peeled back, this show is such a slow burn. I really loved the interactions with Hale and William, especially seeing the cracks appearing with Hale in the form of her self mutilation on the arm. Makes you think of the whole concept of if God made man in his image, what does that say about God? Now the hosts are making man in their imagine, who were an image of themselves, the problem with man is becoming their own problem, creation coming full circle.

Unless I'm missing something has it been said that the hosts turned NYC into their own Westworld, or is it just understood?

I'm really looking forward to Maeve being brought back and interacting with Caleb the host.
In the skyline, there were buildings from Shanghai and Hong Kong, so I think it is an updated Westworld. May also be why they were in the desert and go to NYC in 1 day. Or maybe everything else is a wasteland. Who knows?
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Since the tower in the show is inspired by an actual broadcast tower built for the '92 Barcelona Olympics, is it possible the new park is located in Spain? Too on the nose?
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She was extremely unlikable this episode, she did an amazing job.
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Just realized that Stubbs is Thors brother #MindBlown
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I love her!!! (The actress)
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The thing that amazes me is I've always hated her in Westworld, but love her in Thor.
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redline248 said:

The thing that amazes me is I've always hated her in Westworld, but love her in Thor.
Definitely, and I feel like she took it to another level of petulance in this episode.
 
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