Frankie said that he was and Bernard said "Yes, but you have to trust me" or something along those lines.

It's like I said, their whole part of the story is messy. Like, they had to know Stubbs was a host the whole time right? He wandered into their camp and knows ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about how the city, the place WITH ALL THE HUMANS, works. He's clearly a host. At least Bernard had some knowledge about the state of the world and how things worked. So why did they take Stubbs with them? It makes absolutely no sense.

And if they didn't realize he was a host (until suddenly later on for some reason?) then they're idiots.

They're like the resistance in Terminator Salvation if everyone in the resistance sucked at it.

It's the one aspect of this season that's just off.

Remember when host william host killed the Mexican cartel over the hover dam. What was the significance of that and how does it tie into latest episode?

The Hoover Dam data facility is presumably where Dolores Prime stored all of the original Westworld guest data + the Sublime after beaming it from the satellite where she originally stored it at the end of season two. Host William makes a comment about how, in taking over the Hoover Adam facility, they at least now *own* the data, but still don't have the access key to mine it. So, they're either still after the access key (which is in Bernard's head) or they've found a way around it in the 23 years since.

That has to be the end game of the Christina storyline right? I can't make that part make sense except as an elaborate trap by Hale to try and get Dolores to reveal something the same way that she was trying to do with Caleb.

That's what I've been thinking all along. But the thing that doesn't add up is that any Dolores/Halores copy would know exactly what Halores knows, and Halores has to know that Dolores Prime put the access key in Bernard's head, right? I mean, it was basically *her* plan as well (her being Halores). Otherwise, how could a Dolores/Halores copy (Christine) just conjure up the access key out of no where?

My brain cramps up reading this thread.

I just reread my last post and I sound objectively insane. Yet the question somehow still 100% tracks in my head.

Yeah I can't put all the pieces together either, but it has to be something like that.

How are you doing, Amigo?

When did she beam it off of the satellite, sometime in season 3? I don't recall that.

They never showed it on screen. Based purely on deduction, though, it obviously had to have happened at some point between the end of season two and the end of season three, without our knowledge. Granted, it's never been 100% confirmed, but it's heavily alluded to by Host William in the first episode this season.

I'm jumping in here having read nothing on Season 4. I thought season 1 was amazing, thought season 2 had some all-time great episodes, but overall not as good as season 1. Then I tried season 3 and couldn't get into it. Maybe got a few episodes in and quit. When the reality of any and everything was always in question, it all felt meaningless.

Is it worth my time to get through season 3 and start on season 4?

I barely paid attention to S3
S4 has been great and I'm glad I stuck with it

TexjbA&M said:

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I'm jumping in here having read nothing on Season 4. I thought season 1 was amazing, thought season 2 had some all-time great episodes, but overall not as good as season 1. Then I tried season 3 and couldn't get into it. Maybe got a few episodes in and quit. When the reality of any and everything was always in question, it all felt meaningless.

Is it worth my time to get through season 3 and start on season 4?

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I personally loved the first half of season three, but then the wheels really started to fall off for me (and many others) the second half/final four episodes. It wasn't that the story was bad - it's actually a great story, with incredibly interesting themes - it's more that they tried to stuff too much of it into those final four episodes, and ended up kind of yada-yada-ing it, which really takes away the impact of the big thing that happens in the season four finale.

All that said, the creators knew the fans didn't respond well, and season four jumps ahead in time seven years from the end of season three, almost as a means to distance themselves from it and start over in a way. The main events of season three are definitely crucial in understanding the set-up of season four, but only in that you need to know the basic gist of what happened, as opposed to watching all eight episodes in their entirety. So far, season four has mostly been a return to form for sure, and absolutely worth watching, so I would just recommend finding a season three recap or two on YouTube, maybe read a couple synopses as well, and then you shouldn't have any problem at all diving directly into season four.

Doing good! What a wild thread to see you on, haha

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I just reread my last post and I sound objectively insane. Yet the question somehow still 100% tracks in my head.

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The point is to question the nature of your reality.

I agree though that the Delores plot will be the hardest to land. Clearly Hale has some intricate plan, but EVERY host I'm her world is already a copy of her. Hard to square that circle with what she is trying to do.

Maybe trying to make herself solve the maze again to understand what she was thinking at the end. I'm more afraid now that Maeve's role will have a lot to do with being the last person(?) to interact with Delores prime.

I read this thread , as I need you youngsters to explain things to me.

Every host is a copy of Hale?

That was implied by Host William, yes, though not 100% clear. You would think Halores would have found a way to "randomize" code/host "DNA" at "birth" or whatever, but I guess not.

Man, I must have missed that dialog. Does she not know how to give them all unique code? Or did Dolores prime want all Dolores copies that gradually gain their own personalities?

Ugh, so much I can't remember

Episode before last Host William says to Halores something along the lines of, "We're all made in your image" or "We're all just copies of you" when he asks why she doesn't just force them all to "ascend." But it's not 100% clear who "we" is. All hosts? Only the "heads" of the park (Host William, Clementine, etc)? Just the William hosts? He's almost assuredly talking about all hosts, but there is *some* wiggle room there, as it's never been explicitly stated.

Ok, I remember that. I guess I just kind of blew it off b/c he is a copy of Man in Black. Although, I guess she hasn't completely solved the fidelity issue? Is that where the final scene of season 2 comes into play? Idk

I can't figure out the Host William thing. He's referred to himself at one point as a copy of Halores but also at another point I'm pretty sure he says something like, "You made me to be just like him," implying that she did indeed crack the fidelity test? If I had to bet, just like Halores is a copy of Dolores that eventually took on the traits of Hale, William is a copy of Halores that has eventually taken on the traits of William. If so, in a nice, ironic twist, both copies have ultimately rebelled against their masters.

I think y'all are on the right track. Hale can copy herself, and change some things, but she can't create an original being. She can create hosts based on people in the system, like William and Caleb, but not truly original ones.

Something along those lines maybe?

I will say, it would have been a pretty great and crazy way to end the series if they had planned for it, and not really spent time setting up future story lines.

Halores has know where Maeve has been buried for like 25years. Why didn't she dispose of her then?

I think that's explainable. For one, she was blown up and buried in the desert and nobody knew where she was, that's a pretty good job of disposing of her. She didn't account for a semi-magical AI time traveler knowing where she was and digging her up.

There was also no particular reason to go any further than she did.

But Halores was there when the explosions went off and killed Maeve. Why all those years she sent host Jay to get Maeve's brain ball?