TCTTS said:

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1) Christine is one of the four Dolores pearls Dolores Prime made and then snuck out of Westworld, but had her memory wiped, yet some kind of base code or faint "memories" remain.

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Combined with her seeing "the map", this could be similar to the "reveries" that were initially left behind by Arnold/Ford.

Finally watch episode 1. Yeesh, that was a really an uninteresting pile of garbage.

I hope they speed up Christine's awakening into Dolores, assuming she is Dolores. I mean, why else would Teddy be there? Anyway, I won't enjoy a repeat of season 1 with her gradually coming into her reality/memories/whatever

Other than one previous post, seems like everyone has forgotten about the ending William scene to season 2. Wasn't that like 100 years in the future from the season 2 events? Doesn't seem to make much sense now, with a full blown William host running around.

I'm gonna call the new place Prohibition World.

redline248 said:

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I hope they speed up Christine's awakening into Dolores, assuming she is Dolores. I mean, why else would Teddy be there? Anyway, I won't enjoy a repeat of season 1 with her gradually coming into her reality/memories/whatever

Other than one previous post, seems like everyone has forgotten about the ending William scene to season 2. Wasn't that like 100 years in the future from the season 2 events? Doesn't seem to make much sense now, with a full blown William host running around.

I'm gonna call the new place Prohibition World.

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Why wouldn't I take much sense now? The post-credit season two scene simply features either *another* host William, or the same host William who's had his memory wiped. Either way, it's not the real William. A host version of his daughter greets him in The Forge, and then sits him down to run a fidelity test on him, same as with James Delos earlier in the season. Seems to me, however far off in the future that scene is, either the original Westworld park is back up and running, but is being used to test the fidelity of hosts (or maybe even *just* a host version of William - or - it's a virtual simulation for a host version of William. Whichever version it is, I don't see why it would conflict with anything we're seeing now, in season four.

It doesn't make sense, bc now it seems pointless. Why are they running fidelity tests on a William host 100 years after they've essentially had a William host out fooling everyone in the real world?

I mean, it's Westworld. They could be doing it for any number of reasons, and so much can happen between now and then. Like, end-of-the-world type stuff that resets things or who knows what. Also, Ed Harris said in a recent interview that right now host William is basically Halores' pet, but that he's going to evolve a bit, in some way, shape, or form, this season. So maybe that has something to do with it as well.

I was finally able to watch episode two and I think I'm all the way back in. That was fun.

Maybe the first episode in a while where I didn't have to think to myself "Am I enjoying this?"

Billie Eilish Bad Guy on the saloon piano

and then "Enter Sandman"

I guess the entire trip that Caleb and Maeve took was an elaborate ruse by William?

Big week for Metallica!

He looks a lot like Tom Felton ( draco malfoy) in this episode

Was that a modified FJ Cruiser used for the desert vehicle? It is interesting that all the people hiding from Hale and William are using old ICE vehicles that can't be tracked (carbed engines, no ECU). Maeve had the old truck, Stubbs had the old car.

Three episodes in and it's not bad. Not sure they can land it, but multiple timelines, mind control, robot apocalypse, and for some reason Delores trapped in a computer simulation.

Sure.

Why did Maeve and Caleb go to the control room in Ganster World? That seemed unclear to me, especially since they didn't know that they were headed to the park. Should Maeve have been able to tell that Caleb's daughter was actually a host? I guess she was focused on opening the door so she missed that. Also, are Caleb and his family the only humans left in the story?

Quinn said:

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Why did Maeve and Caleb go to the control room in Ganster World? That seemed unclear to me, especially since they didn't know that they were headed to the park. Should Maeve have been able to tell that Caleb's daughter was actually a host? I guess she was focused on opening the door so she missed that. Also, are Caleb and his family the only humans left in the story?

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The guy that was with Calebs wife and daughter was a human. When he took the bear to train, a host lookalike killed him and took his spot.

Sucks that Caleb has the black ooze in him now.

Also, is the black ooze homage or just straight ripoff from X Files?

I love this show so much. Everything about this episode was classic Westworld. Both figuratively and literally.

TCTTS said:

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While pulling those screen shots, I just had another theory...

Seeing as it's looking like Bernard/Stubbs' story might very well be taking place even farther in the future, I'm starting to wonder if this new female character is Caleb's grown up daughter. She looks just like her, and her practicing with the guns (twice) in the first episode almost assuredly wasn't accidental...

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Also, I'm now convinced this is true.

Given that assumption, my current theory...

- The Maeve/Caleb storyline is set seven years after season three.

- The Bernard/Hobbs storyline is however many years after the Maeve/Caleb storyline, with Frankie now in her 20s. So, maybe, 15 years later (22 years after season 3)?

- The Christine/Dolores storyline is anywhere from a few weeks/months to a year or so after the Bernard/Hobbs storyline, and it's Bernard/Hobbs + grown-up Frankie & co who somehow send host Teddy into "Manhattan World" to break Christine/Dolores out/off her loop.

Though, as always when it comes to Westworld predictions, I'm almost assuredly wrong.

Malachi Constant said:

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I guess the entire trip that Caleb and Maeve took was an elaborate ride by William?

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I think it really is a means to infect a ton of wealthy human park guests with the flies, while ALSO serving as an elaborate plot to lure/trap Caleb and Maeve.

tk for tu juan said:

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Was that a modified FJ Cruiser used for the desert vehicle? It is interesting that all the people hiding from Hale and William are using old ICE vehicles that can't be tracked (carbed engines, no ECU). Maeve had the old truck, Stubbs had the old car.

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Love that idea.

The weapon in the desert is frozen William right?

(Probably not but I'd love for them to eventually use the character to its full potential instead of just ending ever arc with zero growth and having him die in a dumb and pointless way. We're on about take 20 of that plot)

amercer said:

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The weapon in the desert is frozen William right?

(Probably not but I'd love for them to eventually use the character to its full potential instead of just ending ever arc with zero growth and having him die in a dumb and pointless way. We're on about take 20 of that plot)

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I don't think it's William. But if they're in a future timeline with adult Frankie, I think the buried weapon is Maeve. Maeve and Caleb are currently in the desert in the American West. That's where the park is. And somehow, Maeve ultimately gets "buried" in that timeline, then Bernard & co - who are also in the American West - resurrect her in the future. And maybe *that* moment is the reveal that Bernard & co are in a future timeline.

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— Rando Calrissian (@ItsKurtLockwood) July 11, 2022

Probably right. Still, frozen William is at the same place
Right?

What would be really wild is if they dug up a young William host copy with his white hat still on.

amercer said:

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Probably right. Still, frozen William is at the same place
Right?

What would be really wild is if they dug up a young William host copy with his white hat still on.

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I don't know that Halores would just leave frozen William there, but maybe she does. If my theory is correct, Halores and host William ultimately move their base of operations from underneath 1920s World to "Manhattan World," on the east coast. I'm 99% positive the tower there is Halores' headquarters. So my guess is that she would take frozen William there as well, but who knows.

That makes sense. Prohibition world was the beta test site/ where they could take over or replace a bunch of important people. And NY is 20 years later when they are in charge.

It's not bad but it runs into the Matrix problem: "why bother to keep the humans around at all" ? Clearly hosts don't need batteries

So just to have people for the hosts to play with? From what we saw in the sublime, I don't think that is the ideal world for most hosts. But then I guess all the ones other than Maeve, Stubbs, and Bernard are just clones? So maybe the ideal Wyatt world is the inverse westworld where they get to shoot up all the humans they want every day.

TCTTS said:

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Malachi Constant said:

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I guess the entire trip that Caleb and Maeve took was an elaborate ride by William?

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I think it really is a means to infect a ton of wealthy human park guests with the flies, while ALSO serving as an elaborate plot to lure/trap Caleb and Maeve.

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Well, at least from what we saw in the lab, they weren't infecting them they were making them kill themselves after being infected outside right? The actor that played the doctor in Ed was flied up in a car outside the park right?

But then, the host-daughter was also in there to lure Caleb into the room to be infected... so was the guy included just to misdirect the viewer into thinking that it might actually be Frankie in the room and also try to add suspense to the scene with the daughter/mom in the house?

Either way, definitely interested to see what they are actually trying to accomplish with the parasite flies. So far we have just seen it used to control the human, and make them basically kill themself, but I think the real goal is to make them operate like hosts from the parks.

TCTTS said:

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Malachi Constant said:

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I guess the entire trip that Caleb and Maeve took was an elaborate ride by William?

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I think it really is a means to infect a ton of wealthy human park guests with the flies, while ALSO serving as an elaborate plot to lure/trap Caleb and Maeve.

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Why then were the infrasonic tones telling the wealthy humans infected with mind flies to kill themselves? Was it just part of the show for Caleb to hurry in and save his daughter? Or is it a way to get unwanted humans to commit suicide? Both?

Assume the ranting guy in the Dolores/Christina timeline found a way to overcome the mind flies.

Malachi Constant said:

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TCTTS said:

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Malachi Constant said:

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I guess the entire trip that Caleb and Maeve took was an elaborate ride by William?

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I think it really is a means to infect a ton of wealthy human park guests with the flies, while ALSO serving as an elaborate plot to lure/trap Caleb and Maeve.

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Why then were the infrasonic tones telling the wealthy humans infected with mind flies to kill themselves? Was it just part of the show for Caleb to hurry in and save his daughter? Or is it a way to get unwanted humans to commit suicide? Both?

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Remember, Halores is still "beta testing" the fly tech. To me, that's exactly what the humans in the blue scrubs were a part of - further beta tests. Halores is doing all kinds of testing, and I think the 1920s park is either the culmination of her tests, or further tests on a much bigger scale. Either way, if my theory holds, we're likely not going to see the fruits of her labor in full effect - perfectly controlled humans who show no signs of terror/conflict - until the Manhattan World timeline, years later.