***** ANDOR SEASON 2 (Disney+, April 22 Debut) THREAD *****
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Th recasting, not that I agree with it, was done because Smits apparently had a full schedule. The only thing on his schedule as upcoming is something for the new Dexter show. I can't believe that he wouldn't make time for this role
Just finished the new episodes. I thought 4-5 were really slow at times, along the same lines as 1-3, but Episode 6 is were it all finally starts going down. Between the heist on Gorman, the artwork tour, with Krenik no less, and the final scene with Bix and Cassian, I was on the edge of my seat.
Everything with the forming rebellion is a game of chess being played on a knife's edge which can end in great success or abysmal failure. Knowing most will be lost along the way at some point makes it intense. I think the next six episodes are going to be reminiscent of the intensity in the last half of season one. Really enjoying this so far.
Everything with the forming rebellion is a game of chess being played on a knife's edge which can end in great success or abysmal failure. Knowing most will be lost along the way at some point makes it intense. I think the next six episodes are going to be reminiscent of the intensity in the last half of season one. Really enjoying this so far.
ABATTBQ11 said:
Calling it now, Bix is going to kill Gorst, and I hope she sets the screams on him and walks away.
Just finished episode 6. Called it.
6 isnt the same if they dont take the time to put the pieces in play in 4 and 5.Ag87H2O said:
Just finished the new episodes. I thought 4-5 were really slow at times, along the same lines as 1-3, but Episode 6 is were it all finally starts going down. Between the heist on Gorman, the artwork tour, with Krenik no less, and the final scene with Bix and Cassian, I was on the edge of my seat.
Everything with the forming rebellion is a game of chess being played on a knife's edge which can end in great success or abysmal failure. Knowing most will be lost along the way at some point makes it intense. I think the next six episodes are going to be reminiscent of the intensity in the last half of season one. Really enjoying this so far.
Derdre putting Cyril in as bait for the Ghorman Front but not telling him everything is pretty great. She's so ruthless and good at her job..this is a long game they're playing to stoke rebellion and traps so they can crush them, setting up whatever genocide/destruction they need to do to strip mine the planet. And Luthen just lost one of his best operatives playing into her trap.
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Bix exorcising her demon was fantastic. And no monologue, nothing, just strap your ass in and GTFO
With so much focus on Ghorman and the bugged museum piece, great job by the show to slide the Andor/Bix mission under our nose. For 2-1/2 episodes we're just assuming Bix is going to turn into an addict while Andor does the hard jobs, but no, here the are in the field.
Partagatz mentioned they were moving Ghorst to a new building, and Lonni and Dedra's old assistant knew about it. Lonni sets the other guy up by having him be the one who attends the briefing about the details, and then has that guy fill Lonni in. If it's a new building in setup mode and a well-guarded secret, you figure lot less security because nobody would know about it. And you have to imagine the looks on Partagatz and Deedra's faces when they're all smug about their Ghorman success only to realize their best scientist got ganked in their own new secret headquarters just a few miles away.
Kleya was Tim Zahn's Winter tonight in every way. Flawless memory, ice water in her veins. Sorry I don't remember who first said that yesterday, but what a spot on analysis.
I'm assuming Cinta's "accident" was related to her killing Tay in the first 3 episodes? Maybe the air speeder crashed or something?
Ben Mendelson was absolutely born to play Krennec - this incarnation where he is so smug and self-righteous at the beginning of the Death Star project is just phenomenal. Him and Mon Mothma fencing was top-tier acting.
The Saw Gerrera stuff was out there, especially the rhydonium inhalation ending, but if you're a Clone Wars fan, seeing Forrest Whitaker talk about the forests of Onderon is pretty ****ing special. His home planet, where he led a resistance against the CIS, and where he met Anakin, Obi-Wan, Ahsoka, and Commander Rex.
I don't even know what to say about Benjamin Bratt. Smits was just in Obi-Wan 3 years ago. I'm pretty bummed. All the razzle dazzle they do with CGI and crap, and they couldn't have some body double stand there and then have Jimmy Smits roll up to ILM one day a year later and film the scene? That's kinda crappy.
With so much focus on Ghorman and the bugged museum piece, great job by the show to slide the Andor/Bix mission under our nose. For 2-1/2 episodes we're just assuming Bix is going to turn into an addict while Andor does the hard jobs, but no, here the are in the field.
Partagatz mentioned they were moving Ghorst to a new building, and Lonni and Dedra's old assistant knew about it. Lonni sets the other guy up by having him be the one who attends the briefing about the details, and then has that guy fill Lonni in. If it's a new building in setup mode and a well-guarded secret, you figure lot less security because nobody would know about it. And you have to imagine the looks on Partagatz and Deedra's faces when they're all smug about their Ghorman success only to realize their best scientist got ganked in their own new secret headquarters just a few miles away.
Kleya was Tim Zahn's Winter tonight in every way. Flawless memory, ice water in her veins. Sorry I don't remember who first said that yesterday, but what a spot on analysis.
I'm assuming Cinta's "accident" was related to her killing Tay in the first 3 episodes? Maybe the air speeder crashed or something?
Ben Mendelson was absolutely born to play Krennec - this incarnation where he is so smug and self-righteous at the beginning of the Death Star project is just phenomenal. Him and Mon Mothma fencing was top-tier acting.
The Saw Gerrera stuff was out there, especially the rhydonium inhalation ending, but if you're a Clone Wars fan, seeing Forrest Whitaker talk about the forests of Onderon is pretty ****ing special. His home planet, where he led a resistance against the CIS, and where he met Anakin, Obi-Wan, Ahsoka, and Commander Rex.
I don't even know what to say about Benjamin Bratt. Smits was just in Obi-Wan 3 years ago. I'm pretty bummed. All the razzle dazzle they do with CGI and crap, and they couldn't have some body double stand there and then have Jimmy Smits roll up to ILM one day a year later and film the scene? That's kinda crappy.
Kleya is one of my fav characters/actors in this show. Been great throughout.
I didn't get that detail about Lonni at first. Damn that's quick thinking on his part. Partagatz gets them in the hallway for a minute, and he's got a plan before the conversation is over
Lonni being the key to Andor and Bix's plan at the end went totally over my head. That's a great catch.
So the interaction with Andor and the daughter of the head guy on Ghorman. He coached her on being more careful.
Too late, she already did the same with Syril earlier in the show.
Too late, she already did the same with Syril earlier in the show.
One thing I wasn't clear on was what exactly Dedra is actually hiding from Syril regarding their Ghorman plan.
I mean he's aware he's infiltrating them and baiting them into stealing the shipments. What part of the plan is he not privy to?
I guess the ultimate plan about the Death Star?
I mean he's aware he's infiltrating them and baiting them into stealing the shipments. What part of the plan is he not privy to?
I guess the ultimate plan about the Death Star?
Also, I think I made this prediction back in S1, but I'm gonna double down. Either Dedra, Syril, or both will end up flipping before the end, likely leading to their death, but in service to the rebellion rather than the Empire.
She's also super hot when she lets her hair down. (Literally)LB12Diamond said:
Kleya is one of my fav characters/actors in this show. Been great throughout.
Which I believe has happened once.
I think Partagatz's plan is to eliminate Syril when he is no longer useful because he knows too much, but when Dedra is ordered to take him out she won't follow the order as she owes Syril for saving her life in Episode 1. I also think Syril is actually growing on her. In the end, they probably both get eliminated by the Empire.Brian Earl Spilner said:
One thing I wasn't clear on was what exactly Dedra is actually hiding from Syril regarding their Ghorman plan.
I mean he's aware he's infiltrating them and baiting them into stealing the shipments. What part of the plan is he not privy to?
I guess the ultimate plan about the Death Star?
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I think Syril has alread "felt seen" by the rebels on Ghorman, while he's getting just scraps from Dedra. A chaste kiss on the cheek, an hour with her in total darkness. Shuttled off to the Outer Rim. They haven't told him why they are really there or the fact that the world he's working on might collapse at some point.
So they retconned the Ghorman Massacre into the Tarkin Massacre and changed the thing with Tarkin landing his ship on a bunch of people to be a smaller incident in the past. They said 16 years ago in the first episode which would have been 19 BBY, or the first year or so of the Empire. In the original version, Tarkin was still a Captain back then but they referred to him as already being a Grand Moff when it happened.
I really thought we were going to get a massive cameo last night and perhaps it is still to come, and if they could pull it off, man would it be epic. All the talk about new Senators rolling into town and given that it's just 3 years BBY means that Leia Organa is likely assisting her father as a Senator or has perhaps already become one herself.
Nobody ever wants to see that kid who played Leia on Obi-Wan ever again, but if they found someone who looks like a young Carrie Fisher and have her in the Senate chamber when Mon Mothma finally throws down the gauntlet on what Palpatine is, that could be top tier Star Warsing.
So they retconned the Ghorman Massacre into the Tarkin Massacre and changed the thing with Tarkin landing his ship on a bunch of people to be a smaller incident in the past. They said 16 years ago in the first episode which would have been 19 BBY, or the first year or so of the Empire. In the original version, Tarkin was still a Captain back then but they referred to him as already being a Grand Moff when it happened.
I really thought we were going to get a massive cameo last night and perhaps it is still to come, and if they could pull it off, man would it be epic. All the talk about new Senators rolling into town and given that it's just 3 years BBY means that Leia Organa is likely assisting her father as a Senator or has perhaps already become one herself.
Nobody ever wants to see that kid who played Leia on Obi-Wan ever again, but if they found someone who looks like a young Carrie Fisher and have her in the Senate chamber when Mon Mothma finally throws down the gauntlet on what Palpatine is, that could be top tier Star Warsing.
Well they were together before the Ghorman thing started, so it's definitely not like that entire relationship was just a means to an end for her.Quote:
I also think Syril is actually growing on her. In the end, they probably both get eliminated by the Empire.
Speaking of, am I the only one who didn't even consider that Andor and Bix were actually married in the first arc? I just was just assuming that was her cover story. But based on this arc it looks like they actually are.
What do you mean by retconned? I thought this was the story already. (Tarking landing on them.)Quote:
So they retconned the Ghorman Massacre into the Tarkin Massacre and changed the thing with Tarkin landing his ship on a bunch of people to be a smaller incident in the past.
Edit: Oh, you're saying they will make another event later in the season into the "real" massacre? Yeah seems obvious that's definitely coming.
Also, just want to reiterate how fantastic this show is. (I realize now my post immediately after finishing may give the impression that I'm only mildly enjoying it so far.)
The writing is just so good, several tiers above everything else in this universe. You don't get this level of nuance in Boba Fett, that's for sure.
So many threads to follow, so many things implied that you only realize once you actually start discussing/digesting the show.
Just awesome.
And not to overly hype everyone up, but I've heard from several reviewers that this next arc is by far the best in the series, and probably the best Star Wars has ever been.
So there's that.
The writing is just so good, several tiers above everything else in this universe. You don't get this level of nuance in Boba Fett, that's for sure.
So many threads to follow, so many things implied that you only realize once you actually start discussing/digesting the show.
Just awesome.
And not to overly hype everyone up, but I've heard from several reviewers that this next arc is by far the best in the series, and probably the best Star Wars has ever been.
So there's that.
Brian Earl Spilner said:Well they were together before the Ghorman thing started, so it's definitely not like that entire relationship was just a means to an end for her.Quote:
I also think Syril is actually growing on her. In the end, they probably both get eliminated by the Empire.
Speaking of, am I the only one who didn't even consider that Andor and Bix were actually married in the first arc? I just was just assuming that was her cover story. But based on this arc it looks like they actually are.
I get what you are saying. But when he told her they had an hour. She huffed prior to stating turn off the lights. So at that time it appeared she did it bc of the objectives not bc she wanted to have a little fun.
True, but I also feel like that is part of their regular sex life. They're both into some weird **** with that power dynamic.
Syril's character is simple. He wants recognition bc of being raised by an over bearing non compassion mother.
Dedra's character is clearly a driven intelligent person. But she's a little more complicated. What did she say about her background? That she came from nothing?
Dedra's character is clearly a driven intelligent person. But she's a little more complicated. What did she say about her background? That she came from nothing?
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Tarkin definitely landed on them in both instances, but in the Rebels timeline, the Ghorman Massacre is Tarkin's using 500 people as pemacrete and it happens in 2 BBY. The episodes last night make that event something that happened right after the formation of the Empire. And yes, like you said, the real Massacre happens later. In fact, I think they dangled that planetary instability thing out there in the first 3 episodes and maybe the Masscre means the whole planet falling apart, with the stuff in the plaza with the stormtroopers just the opening act.Brian Earl Spilner said:What do you mean by retconned? I thought this was the story already. (Tarking landing on them.)Quote:
So they retconned the Ghorman Massacre into the Tarkin Massacre and changed the thing with Tarkin landing his ship on a bunch of people to be a smaller incident in the past.
Edit: Oh, you're saying they will make another event later in the season into the "real" massacre? Yeah seems obvious that's definitely coming.
I also love the idea that Luthen and Kleya are bugging some of the art pieces they sell to listen to conversations. In the ROTS novelization, Palpatine has 2 Sith lightsabers hidden in some giant piece in the Chancellor's office, last night reminded me of that little fact.
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She said she was an orphan and raised in some sort of Imperial Children center program, forget what the name is.LB12Diamond said:
Syril's character is simple. He wants recognition bc of being raised by an over bearing non compassion mother.
Dedra's character is clearly a driven intelligent person. But she's a little more complicated. What did she say about her background? That she came from nothing?
Great three episodes.
Can't believe they gave a shoutout to When Harry Met Sally with the "I'll have what she's having" line.
Can't believe they gave a shoutout to When Harry Met Sally with the "I'll have what she's having" line.
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Gilroy's quote at the end of the Declassified video
All of the current events, all the false flag and all these lies - it's all been leading to if we need to take this planet apart to build the Death Star, if we need what's in the ground and we can't find a substitute, there will become a drop dead date which we have to ruin this place and that date has come in Block Three."
All of the current events, all the false flag and all these lies - it's all been leading to if we need to take this planet apart to build the Death Star, if we need what's in the ground and we can't find a substitute, there will become a drop dead date which we have to ruin this place and that date has come in Block Three."
I missed this too. Whoa. I was trying to figure out how Bix and Cass knew where Gorst was.
The spycraft and underground resistance aspects of this show are phenomenally plotted, scripted, and acted.
I think what's being hidden from Syril is the larger plan to eliminate the Ghorman people so they can strip mine the planet to the point of collapse. The whole point of that Wannsee conference they had was about how to spread propaganda then get them to rebel enough to "justify" what the Empire plans to do to eliminate their entire population. (Or at least, that's how i interpreted it)
The spycraft and underground resistance aspects of this show are phenomenally plotted, scripted, and acted.
I think what's being hidden from Syril is the larger plan to eliminate the Ghorman people so they can strip mine the planet to the point of collapse. The whole point of that Wannsee conference they had was about how to spread propaganda then get them to rebel enough to "justify" what the Empire plans to do to eliminate their entire population. (Or at least, that's how i interpreted it)
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Great three episodes.
Can't believe they gave a shoutout to When Harry Met Sally with the "I'll have what she's having" line.
I missed that one. When did it take place?
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When Vel and Cinta sat down at the little cafe. I didn't hear it, but it was on the closed captions.LB12Diamond said:vmiaptetr said:
Great three episodes.
Can't believe they gave a shoutout to When Harry Met Sally with the "I'll have what she's having" line.
I missed that one. When did it take place?
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As the resident fan of the sequels, I guess I'll go ahead and mention that Saw's base in the first and second episodes that they abruptly abandon is on D'Qar, which is where the Resistance is holed up in The Force Awakens, and then leaves abruptly at the start of The Last Jedi.
Yeah. Vel and Cinta were in the cafe, and Cinta had just told Vel she was there for her. Vel gets all teary eyed, and you can hear an off screen person say, "I'll have what she's having."
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One thing I wasn't clear on was what exactly Dedra is actually hiding from Syril regarding their Ghorman plan.
I mean he's aware he's infiltrating them and baiting them into stealing the shipments. What part of the plan is he not privy to?
I guess the ultimate plan about the Death Star?
That they're doing to instigate a genocide. They know the Ghormans won't engage in outright rebellion it on their own, so they need to give them a nudge. That's what Cyril is for, but he thinks he's there to catch criminals and bring them to justice. I said earlier, I think he's either going to either figure it out or learn the truth, and he's going to realize what the empire really is. He's a naive idealist who believes in justice and order, which the empire appeals to, but he's going to finally understand that the empire is about control, enslavement, and exploitation. I think he either betrays Dedra or she kills him.
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I ran back through both trailers today. I'd say we've seen about 90% of all of the footage from them and close to 100% of the dialogue. A lot of what we haven't seen is clearly the Ghorman Massacre.
But there is also Kleya telling someone about the Death Star and also a shot of her crying.
Also Saw Gerrera looking out a window and seeing a Star Destroyer in the distance. It looks like this is an ending shot of the show and right before Rogue One because it looks like Jedha and that's the city on the plateau.
A bunch of K2's having a fancy tea party
Mon Mothma is what looks like "the scene" of her story arc, calling out the Empire in the Senate
And this really interesting one. Looks like stormtrooper armor but they aren't wearing their helmets. Maybe a Rebel cell doing work? Supposedly Kino Loy pops up somewhere, could he be involved?
But there is also Kleya telling someone about the Death Star and also a shot of her crying.
Also Saw Gerrera looking out a window and seeing a Star Destroyer in the distance. It looks like this is an ending shot of the show and right before Rogue One because it looks like Jedha and that's the city on the plateau.
A bunch of K2's having a fancy tea party
Mon Mothma is what looks like "the scene" of her story arc, calling out the Empire in the Senate
And this really interesting one. Looks like stormtrooper armor but they aren't wearing their helmets. Maybe a Rebel cell doing work? Supposedly Kino Loy pops up somewhere, could he be involved?
Just finished the second set of 3. Really good stage setting. Wondering how the resistance on Ghorman is going to grow. Are they going to start hitting stuff the imps aren't feeding to them?
Question...when we pick up the story again it is going to be another year jump correct?
Question...when we pick up the story again it is going to be another year jump correct?
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